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president obama made it clear there would be no boots on the ground, and he said he has not made a final decision yet. and just a couple hours before the president spoke secretary john kerry went so far as to call the syrian president a thug and, and the world had a moral obligation to punish syria for using chemical weapons. there are more disturbing weapons coming out of syria. there was an attack in northwest syria. the bomb may have contained napon or similar substance that sticks to skin and causes severe burns. consider this is next.
>> the action or inaction in syria. the death toll for the recent gas attack has risen, giving more fuel to those who want to attack the country. but who will get help and who will get hurt if america intervenes? and more than a million syrian children most under 11 are now refugees. the major humanitarian crisis, and what's next. plus california losing money from the movie industry. and google and the world brain. the internet giant plants to put every book in the world online.
hello, in consider this, there are grave concerns. a threat to national security and a challenge to the world. >> it increases the risk of chemical weapons, and what we use of the future and it falls in the hands of terrorist who is might use them against us. >> reporter: and as secretary of state said the syrian president should be punished for what he called crime against humanity. >> we need to ask what is the risk of doing nothing? [ explosion ] >> reporter: the u.s. must respond, the obama administration says, to prevent more death in syria, and to send a message to the syrian government and others that they can't get away with using chemical weapons against its
people but limited strikes wouldn't topple syria's president assad. >> it would weaken assad, but it would not tilt the playing field in the direction of the rebels. >> reporter: opponents of military action against syria said intervention could lead to casualties destabilize the region and suck the u.s. into a conflict that it wishes to avoid. >> the war effort led by the united states and their allies against syria will serve the interests of israel and secondly al nusriv front. >> reporter: they also say it could cost president assad allies such as iran and hezbollah to retaliate against the u.s. and it's friends in the
region. >> if the u.s. attacks syria they definitely will not achieve victory and victory will by long tbelongto syria 2347 calling for patients while the u.n. investigates the chemicals weapons attack. al jazeera, new york. >> and if those strikes do take place as many now think they will, who will really benefit once they're over? for more i'm joined advisers, thank you for joining us tonight. the obama administration said that casualties in last week's chemical attacks were far worse than previously released. barak, what are you hearin hearm
your inside source sources insi? >> we talked to people in damascus where these attacks happened, and as secretary jerry came back with a number of 1400 thats ou1400that rounds out wha. many are going north to escape the potential airstrike. >> many insists it was the opposition that released last week's gas attack despite all the evidence that it was the assad regime. and there are reports that saudi arabia provided equipment to the opposition. >> everything points in the direction that the assad regime had used it.
he had every reason to use it. that's the mode of operation for this regime. they've been functioning as an intense killing machine for the last two and a half years. first with live munitions and then scud missiles in areas that they do not control any more revandammely just to punish whoever is living in a liberated area. and then throwing barrels from the air force. the latest episode of the assad regime criminality basically finishes the momentum of 14 straight strait chemical weapon attacks that were smaller scale attacks over the last six months with a massacre of the scale that we saw on the 21st, where more than 1400 people, more than one-third of them children lost their lives in the most gruesome, most graphic way in a matter of minutes. this is something that basically makes sense. and the series of events that the regime is the one that
always possess chemical weapons, these weapons were launched from regime controlled areas, everything points in the direction of that. >> another atrocity, this accusation coming from the spokesman for the syrian national coalition in istanbul. he had this to stay friday about the situation in syria. >> we have hundreds of thousands of people who are sent to jail without trials, the regime is moving them to installations that can be targets for any attacks. >> barak, have you heard anything that confirms these reports that the assad regime might be using people as human shields? >> no, we're not hearing anything of that. we heard stuff like that in th
the 2003 american invasion of iraq and in libya, but at this point in time i don't think the regime is moving anybody in those areas, and actually is clearing everybody out in expectation of an attack, and they wouldn't want to anger them at this point in time. >> as far as their opponents, have you heard anything about human shields? >> i certainly have, again going to the modus operandi of this regime. trust you me, they will use human shields. they've used them before. they've usedded them on several occasions and they will not cower from using them again. we have reports of certain intelligence holding areas where they actually have dressed some of the detainees in military uniforms to create the impression that these are military points, so they could be clear for striking.
this is a regime that has not stopped at anything at all over the past two and a half years. the criminality of this regime is unprecedented. it doesn't stop at the use of human shields. i think when we talk about things like that, you talk to an average syrian on the ground, nobody will basically raise an eyebrow any more or basically find that unbelievable because they've done it before, and they'll continue to do it. >> president obama has said he hasn't made a decision as to whether oh to order an retaliatory attack on the assad regime, and president ahmad j avar said, barak, you're right there i across the border in turkey. what are people in syria saying?
>> well, a lot of people are fleeing from the regime-held area into the northern rebel areas. you have people from the rebel areas now fleeing to turkey, lebanon and iraq. people are very scared. they're shoring up their supplies of basic food. there will be average lines of bread that used to be four to six hours and now tripled. there will be massivelian casualties. they believe the bases will be targeted. >> so with those worries about civilian casualties and food, do they want the u.s. to intervene or not? >> well, it's a double edged sword. there are people who have been begging the united states and the western powers to intervene for two years, but now that that day has come they're just as
scared as those sitting in damascus. that's the dilemma right now. people don't know what kind of genie they've unleashed from the bottle. they don't know how far the united states will go and what goals the united states have. >> from the french paper, i quote, assad's regime has complete support from russia, hezbollah, and iran. we have nothing. our ally versus given us none of what we asked for. we learned this week that the u.s. had refused to send gas masks and chemical weapons protection here to the syrian rebel groups, small arms deliveries have been said to be delayed. what are you hearing, yasir from your sources inside syria from military support getting through to the free syrian army and what support is coming if it's coming
at all. >> for a year and a half we've been asking clear for a no-fly zone, and a campaign of surgical strikes to fire into the liberated area. >> i know that has not happened, but is anything coming in? are they getting aid. >> there are things coming in, but we also have to take a moment to take a look at the contrast. we have one regime that has one the biggest armies in the region supported by the russian michiganmachine, you have hezbon the ground that is basically on their side and on the other side you have fighters with ak-47ers who are protecting their villages from being raped, pillared and slaughtered. they want to be empowered to do
a no-fly zone. the flyers have been receiving a few aircraft missiles to take down a few of the flyers that have been bombarding the area. including damascus. yes, we're going up against a huge killing machine, and it's a very uneven fight. despite that there has been a shift in the balance of power where the assad regime cannot make any advances on the ground, and is relying heavily on ballistic missiles. >> on the other hand omar al hamsi told the post, i don't have a lot of hope about this strike. had won't do anything. nothing will change. that's pretty pessimistic. who do you think the winners and
losers will be if the strike takes place? >> i think that's interesting that quote you just cited. the longers in the long term are jihadists known as the islamic state in iraq or isis. they are best positioned to move forward and take the basis that the regime will withdraw from when it consolidates it's forces. they're the best organized and most disciplined forces. they don't engage in criminal activity like some of the others, so once we see the airstrikes end and the rebels start moving on the defensive, the jihadists will succeed. >> you say that they have abandoned most of their headquarters and posts worried that the u.s. might strike them. do you think the u.s. will go after some of them or is it a moot point now?
>> i don't think it will be very machiavellian for them to introduce it as their goal to make punitive action and punitive strikes against the assad regime to explain that these red lines can't be crossed in the future. that's basically the goal of this airstrike. that said, the jihadists but many syrians on the inside believe the americans will strike the jihadists. that's why we've abandoned all these bases and they've moved into villages, small homes and farms to protect themselves. >> so many syrians caught in the middle of this, i'm sure the majority of the country wants the war to end. this attack by all accounts is not going to do that. where does it leave them? >> well, i mean this, attack will send the first serious signal to assad what he's doing is not tolerated by the international community any more. assad has not received a signal like that in the past, and
hopefully it will be the one time that he will. the assad fighters have been making advances on the ground. what is keeping these advances often is the fact that they they are the ballistics missiles capabilities. once these capabilities are taken county attorney the situation will get better on the ground for them. you bring coats from one of the fighters, i can bring you ten coats that are supportive of any measure that they would take against assad and his killing machine. no one said this is a simple problem to solve. we've been screaming our lungs out for at least two years that we have problems of legitimacy. we have problems of rising extremism. we have problems with many problems that we need the international community to empow us to deal with and resolve. i hope at the time that this
particular moment in time that it's not too late that we can start basically as the international community dealing with bashar al-assad as the criminal that he is, send serious messages that what he is doing is not tolerated and empower and invest in the mainstream, the overwhelmingly basically reasonable and non-extreme majority of the military and political opposition. invest in these local governance councils, invest in the free syrian army to the point where we can actually insure the position. as we speak i can tell you there are battalions of other free syrianal lays other extremist that is are basically trying to fill in a lot of vacuums that have been created by the assad regime intentionally to create
that contrast. >> so many aspects to this controversial. thank you for being with us tonight. yasir, you're going to stick around with us a little longer. what will become of the millions of refugees, it already is the most traumatic humanitarian situation we've faced since rwanda and genocide. we'll join hermela aragawi,
many have traveled alone or separated from their families. 14-year-old ahmed is one of half a million refugees in jordan. he has already buried his brother. >> my brother has been killed and my sister suffered a brain injury. in the end we brought both of them. >> thank you both for staying with us. we're trying to connect with
peter kessler, who is the smoke man for the u.n. high commission for recommending refugees. she was supposed to joins but we're having trouble with connections. we have a tsunami of people crossing borders, and it's the most tragic of humanitarian situation that they have faced since the rwanda genocide. >> it's absolutely horrible. i was at the rwanda camps in syria during the winter. you have people living in tents under the wind and the rain. you have women selling blankets just for the daily ration of bread. they have no heat. sanitation is very bad. it's not only a problem within
these refugee camps, you go to the border towns in turkey, and you see little children begging for food. i was approached by a child in a border town saying i need to earn some money to feed my family. >> we're joined by skype with peter kessler, commission for refugees. barak was just describing camps in turkey. you're in jordan. what are you seeing with the children as barak was describing. they have to be traumatized. they've lost their families, they are left their homes, homes that they may never return to for a while if at all. >> there are many challenges in the refugee camps. we have children who are not in school. it's a race against time to
establish all the necessary services. just, indeed, like the major city you require everything. the need for sanitation, the need for other services, and of course the need for schools. but the people are being fed. we have better health indicators here in jordan, and of course, the camps have sprung up, as i said, it was a small city but now the four largest city of 140,000 people, and it didn't exist 14 months ago, so it's amazing what has been accomplished. it is not a perfect community, and what we're looking at in the future, establishing water systems, establishing all the sanitation systems that you would have in a city, and also getting the jordanian government
to realize that they need to let us establish facilities, that people would have proper homes. that's the sad part of this affair. it does not look like people will be going home any time soon. they'll have to have real homes rather than tents or even containers, and that means that the government in the region coming to terms with the fact that the crisis is not going to be soon over. >> and then we have the problem inside syria. is it worse there in some ways than the camps? we're talking about even greater numbers of people who have been displaced inside the country, including 2 million sinnerran miners who in many cases were attacked and even recruited as fighters. >> there is an entire generation of syrian kids that, can childrechildrenunder the age ofe
gone through this psychological collective drama. interviewing some of them, i've been to some of the camps. i've been to some of the villages and cities, it's amazing. we can see kids that basically have witnessed the killings and witnessed rapes, and you just wonder if if a child like that would get over something like that any time soon in their lives. in terms of the issue of child recruitment of child soldiers, i think this is--this was a problem. i think this is something that we're trying to raise as much aware as possible. there have been a number of campaigns to educate a lot of battalions that have been fighting the assad regime, the laws of war, the geneva convention, and all these things, there was a campaign launched by the coalition and other partners over the past few
months called fighter not a killer and it aims to educate on a lot of these basic issues. to go back to the condition of people inside. we've been to a number of cities inside, and obviously the economy is at a standstill, especially the liberated areas. everybody is living under the constant threats o. >> we want to take a look at the numbers of the refugee camps. the numbers are staggering. lebanon with over 700,000. more in every day.
>> well, we have the cancer of normal society, so it's a very diverse group. many of the syrian refugees, they're living in cities across turkey, in cities across lebanon, of course, and they are getting assistance. we now have atm cards that people can access in many cards, and once acitizenned as vulnerable they can get the necessary aid. but that's just it. they're like a guest who arrives at your home but never leaves,
this is now going into its third year. years later they're still there, they're running low on funds. many families are having to put their children out on the street to work. we have cases of survival sex and women using their bodies to be able to support their families. >> we have a viewer questions i would like to get to hermela aragawi for that. >> thanks, antonio. a viewer wants to know what are the best and most thorough psychological studies on the long-term impact of being a war refugee? >> well, i'm sure there have been many studies, of course, people have been forced from their homes. they're very you uncertain for their future and that uncertain
can create a lot of disability, and can feed monday problems that they have. and that's why we have community services and social services personnel and we work with personalized sessions that can make programming available for refugees in this region and across the world can come to terms to their situation in exile as our host, it's never easy being forced from your country, having to put down roots in a place, a foreign country, different language, different culture. >> now we hear some of the refugees do want the free syrian army to gain control. they think airstrikes can help. let's listen to what they had to say. >> yes, many nations will not
participate because the regime is like a mafia that has support around the world. we hope the free army will gain control in areas as soon as possible. >> it could make the refugee situation worse. >> the latest massacre a made it worst. i have relatives and colleagues who lived in the suburbs that were attacked, witnessed the chemical attacks on the 21st of august. hearing from them, you know, there is mass exodus that took place right after the chemical massacre. >> and there is an exodus right now. there are people worried about the strikes and they're leaving damascus. >> yes, that is do you to the fact that the assad regime is completely unpredictable with the methods it would take. over the past at least year we have tried in the coalition to
produce an interim government that could come in and governor liberated areas in order to take care of a lot of these areas, repatriate people back to their homes and restart their local economies. we had a lot of plans. we had a good amount of support from the syrian ex-patriot communities all over the world. the only thing that prevented us is that any effort like that could be attacked in a matter of minutes by these ballistic missiles and long-range attacks. this is why an intervention of that kind to take away the capability of the assad regime, of this unpredictable madness, it's very crucial. >> it might give you the ability to help some of these people. it's such a tragedy and peter, yasir, i wish you the best in your efforts to help them, the millions who need assistance now. we appreciate you spending time
components of the aljazz mission. >> there's more to america, more stories, more voices, more points of view. now there's are news channel with more of what americans want to know. >> i'm ali velshi and this is "real money." this is "america tonight." sglovrjs our -- >> our news coverage reveal more of america's stories. >> welcome to hollywood! what's your dream. >> everybody comes here, this is hollywood. >> hollywood, though, may no longer be the land of dreams for the film and entertainment
industry. the new mayor of los angeles is on the mission to save hollywood. once upon a time if you wanted to be part of the film and tv business hollywood was the mecca, but that's much less the case today. thanks to tax incentives many hollywoods have sprung up across the country and canada. is hollywood in a state of emergency. and are the people who are throwing money at movies making a big mistake? we have our al jazeera culture critic and former arts editor for public radio, and he has written extensively on tv, media and the arts. and we have peter. we just saw that clip from "pretty woman." it's filled with los angeles and beverly hills scenes.
but couldn't that be the scene from any movie? >> it haul always has been. hollywood was hollywood because there were mountains, beach, sun, rain, desert, everything was very close. it was really always an economic choice to come out here and the productions it continues to be an economic choice more than anything else. >> when the mayor told "variety" we lost feature films. they may come back to some degree but by and large they won't. maybe it's the not the 2 million-dollar motive by maybe it's the tv and commercials and video gaming. small specials, what does that mean for hollywood? take the romance out of the place all together? >> well, that's the big question here. you can't be sentimental and romantic about a business which is all about money. and hollywood is about throwing
gossemar dust and throwing rainbows in our eyes to get us not to pay attention to what is going on behind the curtain. this is hollywood, big, big business. the mayor of los angeles is being very smart because it's about money that is going to go into his campaign coffers when he goes out there and make this industry richer than it already is. there are a lot of movies, tv, games, websodes and in other states, it's a free country. they can give free tax credits and blatant handouts to these production companies. but in the long term it will evening our because the states that find it numerative will continue doing it, and those who don't, won't. >> here is a scene from "dexter"
which is supposedly in miami. >> i'll have to tell you something. >> what? >> harrison and i are leaving son. >> what do you mean you're leaving, leaving where? >> leaving miami. >> i know for a fact having lived in miami that is not miami beach and that show was originally filmed in miami but then went to l.a. same with "csi: miami." is it as bad as mayor garcettie implied? >> the cheater is out of business, it doesn't work as a theater, but still people come there every day. there is a tourism element where the actual production is a non-issue. the truth is it doesn't matter to keep those businesses which
are very big businesses going. in terms of production, hollywood is where everyone wants to be. it's where people would like to be doing production. it's where the actors come and live. it's where the best crews are. you know, there are two or three great crews in north carolina. there are two or three great crews in toronto. people want to be in l.a. unless you force them to go somewhere else with insensitive, this is where they want to be. >> i have a friend in vancouver because that's where his tv show films. toronto is a locations will. this is since the 1990s when the cost of doing films was too high. we've gone from four to 44 that offer production incentive. why all of a sudden making noise. is it just politics as you were saying a minute ago, bill?
>> well, it's interesting, we have to remember that an enormous number of movies are being made, 600 relatively major movies being made. now we have these dozens of table channels all doing everything from reality shows to absolute high-end hour-long dramas like we talked about last week. so we have a real-- >> again, the romance is with the movies. let's take a look at the top movies of 2012. number one, "the avengers." there was filming in ohio, new york city, pennsylvania. film two, some scenes from filmed in l.a.. until three was "the hunger games." four was "sky fall" and number five, "the hobbit" filmed in
new zealand. >> but this is an issue of concern to really southern californians people the movies are being made, and people are working, and they don't have to work in southern california. but the movie industry is doing what it should be doing, and that investing there. there is an enormous disney construction going on and paramount and universal has a revamping of the universal studios sets and building a whole bunch of new studios there. they're investing the way they should, which is to make it a destination. >> let's go to hermela aragawi. >> a saviorer said, how do we attract productions back to the city? >> tax incentives are really the only option. people want to be in the city. people want to be working here. the only reason why they're
anywhere else is because they are save five to ten percent on their budget. that's the only possible reason. >> tax incentives in los angeles have worked, and when we look at the tax incentives in other places they haven't worked as much. the big thing we're not talking about is in every other state including canada, country in canada's case, they were building an industry. in l.a. it's been built for 50 years. it's a very different thing. if you're in new orleans and you want to build an economic base its easier to get the legislature to put money behind that rather than in los angeles where they have a huge amount of business they're trying to keep 50% of the margin in town. in canada when they stabilized based on tax incentive things changed and they had a dip in their production for a long time, now it's coming back up again.
it's not quite as clean of an issue as people would like to make it out to be. >> l.a. has lost a whole bunch of jobs and more than 2 billion since 1997 because of the loss of film production. but the reality is when l.a. puts in place tax incentives they get a good bang for the buck. but when you look at other states the tax incentives for filming aren't working out that well. no guarantee of success. in louisiana, in 2010 the state lost $0.85 for every $1 of film credit it gave. in washington, d.c. from 2007 to 2009 they lost $0.77 for every $1 spent on tax credits. in massachusetts, only one local job was created for every
$128,575 spent in film credits. >> well, the movie constitution. >> they offer the tax incentives and try it. >> the movie studios are there to throw the money around to say to the local politicians give us money, and maybe we'll bring some of our productions out here. and you know, we also should remember this is-- >> well, we apparently lost bill wyman. do you want to elaborate that? >> louisiana got hot when they were in trouble financially. michigan is the recent hot place, and they're in trouble financially. it's the magic of the movies. the idea that it's the movies is exciting. the idea that they can build another industry out of whole cloth is exciting. the idea that big productions pe coming is exciting. financially it's not a great deal for them. canada is fortunate that they've
built an industry. >> it is a good deal for the movie companies, so l.a. will have to figure out some way to hold onto them. >> well, the truth is if you can save 3% on going somewhere else nobody goes. they really have to save over 7% or 8% on their overall budget before they'll leave town. because of these tax incentives getting so big they're willing to do it. >> it will be interesting to see what happens in l.a. and hollywood in the process. >> l.a. will be fine. >> thank you. >> they'll be just fine. >> and bill wyman for joining you us. next, kids make how much for losing a tooth? the tooth fairy's bigger payments to kids and google's control over the literary marketplace. why are some people fuming over that? next. >> introduces "america tonight". gas.
>> the rising cost of falling teethes also known a bigger payouts from the tooth fairy. kids are getting an average of $3.70 a tooth this year, over 23% over last year's rate: the inflated numbers as usual are bigger in the northeast where kids are billing the tooth fairy an average of $4.10. this comes on a survey over 3,000 phone supervisors conducted last month. movies with tooth fairies with the rock compensate for dental issues. it seems the days of $0.25 per molar are long past.
one parent gave their child a typewriter. although i'm not sure how it would fit under the pillow. what about payments for doing things your chores and good grades. 61% of parents give their kids an allowance, and 54% begin doing that before the eighth birthday. at $50 a week our kids could get 11 one direction itune downloads. the average price for getting an a in school, $16.60, really? i hope my kids aren't watching. only 1% of the kids save any of their allowance. are they being spoiled? we just did a story about how
>> imagine having every book ever published at your finger tips. google library wants to make that possible. they're on a mission to scan every book in the world, and it's got some authors crying copy write foul. it raises questions of corporate control in the digital age. we have bold claims we heard just a moment ago, and we consider them with ben lewis, director of google and the world brain which airs right here on al jazeera america. ben, i know it's very he early in london. we appreciate you getting up to talk to us about this.
since 2010 google had 130 million books out there in the world and scanned 20 million of them. they're on a mission to scan every one of them, obviously an enormous task, but we know very little about it, and how it's getting done. why are they being so secretive. >> few of us understand why google has been so secret about the deals they've signed with libraries around the world, to scan all their books. we don't know what is in the contract or why it's so secret. but we do know that contracts are signed with different libraries, and the librarians are discovered that different deals were done and they weren't told about them all. >> what kind of-- >> sorry. >> we have a delay, what kind of access did google give you for the documentary? >> not very much. when i originally approached them and said i was doing a
documentary about google books, can i interview you? they said no. i said this was a film about future the knowledge and the whole idea of an universal digital library and the why the of all information being available online. then ghoul headquarter google hn america said you could come in and do an interview. apparently don't pick up the phones, and i actually asked my hard working and illustrious producer to see if google in spain would talk to us. they put in a few phone calls and we were lucky to get an interview with google books in
spain. >> copy write laws protect books for 70 years until the author dies. corporate, the law protects their works 90 years after they were published. what authors and publishers did you speak to after the film. >> authors were outraged that books had been scanned without permission. they weren't very happy that large chunks of their book were available online through the google books website, and many of them were also unhappy as you'll see in my film the whole of their book has been made searchable by key words because they argue that was the kind of reading. and if you popped in the right key word you would be able to read most of the book. there were some authors who
objected on artistic or at theftic grounds. they want the person who was going to look at their book to look at the whole thing and get the whole thing, it should be all or nothing. you know, i'm the author, and it should be treated as a whole. >> we have a viewer question for you. let's go to hermela aragawi for that. >> are we finally at a point where we need to consider the idea of select actual ownership profits is obsolete? >> no, we're nowhere near that point. that's what has been out there by mathematicians who own profitable online platforms such as google an, and no.
people like to argue that the world would be a better place if all knowledge were free which my usual supply the world would be even a better place if all food was free. there is a reason why food is not free. >> you mentioned the universities that were involved in this in google's contracts, and the famous model is don't be evil. some of the partners are impressive university of michigan, hear forke, harvard, g about that? >> they included the french and german government and america's own department of justice, who argued in the end that the google book settlement would give google a monopolistic over
the century. >> law professor said that google could hold the whole world hostage, is tha that a hyperbole. >> that's what he said, what she means hostage to access to, and the price to be paid to all the books that they've scanned. >> wouldn't there be other people you could buy books from and it wouldn't an monopoly? >> effectively google would have a number na that is being rejecn american judge. google would be able to scan and effectively republic. >> we've got to go. we want to tell people that your documentary "google and the world brain" will be here on al jazeera at 9:00 p.m. we look forward to the documentary and we'll see you