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contentious conference in warsaw, combating climate change, how were the cases of 6,000 reportedly abused children ignored? plus 50 years after jfk's assassination we'll look back at his life through pictures from kitty kelly. we'll enter the tiny house movement. hello i'm antonio mora. welcome to consider this. we begin with climate change and nuclear power. warsaw, poland, after two weeks of talks, division from industrial powers and developing nations have made reaching an agreement almost impossible. setting guidelines for countries to cut their carbon emissions before a new treaty to replace
the kyoto protocols can be set. china had been reluctant to set those guidelines. meanwhile, poor nations threatened by rising sea levels, have asked for compensation to them because of global warming. the talks were on track, said many, to deliver nothing. >> the voice of polluters whilst the voice of citizens on the planet are not being heard. >> discussing cutting carbon, four top environmentalist scientists have called for the abandonment of nuclear power. jessica, i appreciate your time.
typhoon haiyan was hammering the philippines when the consideratio conferencegot underway. whether haiyan is connected or not to climate change at this point it certainly did not seem like they went that extra mile. >> when you look back two weeks, the supertyphoon really served to bring momentum into the talks. now two weeks later, yet they know the u.n -- the philippines negotiate is still fasting and still appointed by the outcome. there has been progress, there has been slow steady progress towards this 2015 deal but there also has been some disappointment. >> this was just supposed to create some sort of framework to move forward to 2015 and at this point if they can't get together, how likely will this
movement go forward and have substantial agreement in 2015? >> right now, we don't know if they can agree on a time line for the road map to 2015. some of the countries like the eu and the united states are really pushing for everyone to agree, in saw, on a dead in -- in saw, on a in wafe warsaw. because they don't want anything that maximize of international regulation on top of their domestic emissions reductions targets. >> china is the world's biggest carbon polluter, has the seg second largest economy in the world. but when it comes to cutting carbon how does china justify that and how does the other -- do the other delegates react to that position?
>> i think it's a really difficult question. because the previous durbin, we were seeing this move away from developed versus developing countries. and just today, you saw that start coming back again with the so-called like-minded group issuing a blazing attack on eu climate commissioner after she criticized them. so tensions are definitely running high at the moment. >> less developed cungs are calling for -- countries are calling for more money to redress their climate problems. do they expect economies having issues themselves to pony up more money than they are paying now? >> that's what they want, pactly what they want. japan has been heavily criticized for reducing its carbon emission targets, but actually, it has put a lot money
on the table for climate finance, we're crawling towards progress here. and i think that before this summit started, most people that you would speak to, most negotiators would say this isn't summit. this is going to be a summit where they're puttings the building blocks in place in order to create that 2015 deal. that is there on agreement how you develop forestry products in the developing world. there's also likely to be compromise on a loss damage mechanism, and a measure of how you calculate your carbon emissions. >> a lot of these groups walked out the other day. he said if we go with the spirit of the lack of urgency that we see in these talks we are headed
in another disaster in paris in 2015 and we need to avert it at all cost. you don't think that's how these talks are going to be remembered? >> the civil society groups have been really, really disappointed at the progress at warsaw, particularly because this week there was a cold summit happening in warsaw happening simultaneously with the climate summit. and that they felt really undermined the effectiveness of the talks. from civil society of course it's disappointing. people wanted an agreement in 2009 in copenhagen which they didn't get, and now the talks seem to be making painfully slow progress. but if you talk about negotiators, they are chipping away and making this progress. >> we will see what comes of it on saturday. jessica shankelman, we
appreciate your joining us. the u.n. conversation that that -- conference that has failed to address, environmentalists, published an open letter, it read in partly, "continued operation to nuclear powerspower power threatens, safer nuclear power systems. for more i'm joined by michael shellenberger, michael great to have you back. i want to start by asking you tell us who these four scientists are and why is this letter important? >> well, the climate executive vice president who is the most famous is dr. james hansen, a former nasa climate scientist. he is the scientist who brought the world's attention to global
warming, along with al gore who he has been close with over the last couple of decades. the others are well regarded in their own right, dr. tom wigley, the most cited climate scientists, dr. kerrie emanuel, an expert in global warming and hurricanes and dr. ken cordera, what happens to the oceans when they're forced to absorb so much more carbon. >> this year global carbon emissions are supposed to hit a record 36 billion tons. china leads the way followed by the u.s., the european union and india. is there any way that those numbers can be turned around by replacing coal and other fossil fuels like wind and solar? >> well, it's very difficult,
one of the most important statistics for people to realize is that in the '80s and '90, we -- global energy that was from clean sources sort of zero carbon sources went from 6% to 12% but it's been stalled out at 12% over the last 20 years, even with a big push on renewables by the european union and by the united states. what's happened is in are that 40 year period nuclear was the main thing taking us from 6 to 12%, and when nuclear stalled out at 12%, renewables didn't increase in the mix. the new wind and solar that have come online, have eaten away into hydroelectric dams and nuclear plants for that share of zero carbon power.
the realization that solar power, solar was 1/10 of 1% of our electricity, the realization that we shouldn't bet the planet on solar and wind. >> jim riccio with greenpeace wrote, we need solutions that are fast, affordable and safe, nuclear is none of those. michael brune said, this world fails to realize that wind and solar are the faster way to fight the climate threat. what do you feel about that? >> i don't think -- this is not an ordinary group. this is four of the world's top climate scientists, three of them have written major papers in energy journals and are energy scientists as well. they
are the individuals that groups like sierra club and greenpeace have been turning to. the scientist who sent the letter to greenpeace and said, we can't bet the planet on solar and wind, i think we'll look back on this letter as a pretty big turning point how the plan it deals with climate change. >> cannot scale it fast enough to deliver cheap and reliable power that global economy requires. the question is, can nuclear ramp up quickly enough? >> well, it's interesting. there's studies of this. it's not very complicated to study it. there's studies that have looked at the ramping up of nuclear like sweden and france.
france gets 80% of its energy from nuclear. the big investment in solar by germany in the last couple of decades, what it's found is that nuclear energy over the same 11 year period in france generated seven times as much electricity. in sweden i believe it's five times as much electricity. clear. if you want to bring a lot of zero carbon energy online quickly, nuclear is five times faster than solar. >> in fact, germany's emissions went up as their nuclear power went down. one of the reasons germany backed away from nuclear power was because of safety, they want safer nuclear power systems deployed. when people worry about fukushima, three mile island and chernobyl, is nuclear energy
safe? >> that's renal to ask after fukushima, some of these in context there was a tsunami that killed about 18,000 people in japan instantly, people were killed on trains, at a hydroelectric dam, they were killed in all sorts of different technologies. the nuclear power plant melted down. according to the world health organization, nobody was killed in those melt-downs. it was very scary. japan has now moved away from nuclear. it's now relying more heavily on fossil fuels. which is why your previous segments have indicated japan has backed away from climate change. they have ended up having to bring on line a lot of cheap coal instead. i think one of the interesting things about this letter is i think it changes the situation of climate politics. for a lot time we thought the obstacle to action were global
warming skeptics, global warming deniers. but the paradox is the people who tend to support nuclear the most in the united states and around the world, are those we might call climate skeptics. you might find agreement if not on global warming make on nuclear power. >> michael nice to have you with us. thanks. coming up, how did thousands of child abuse cases in arizona get botched and forgotten. was a conspiracy theory at play? a look at the warren report, next. and hermella aregawi is tracking, what's trending? >> looks to break down stereotypes but is it perpetualing them, i'll tell you more coming up. and what do you think? join the conversation on twitter
>> what happens when an agency in charge of protecting our children seriously neglects its job? 6,000 cases since 2009 of reported child abuse that had not been investigated in arizona by its child protective services. how could this happen and how many children have suffered because of it? joining us from phoenix, arizona, debbie mchune days of. and debbie murphy, leading national nonprofit organization that is dedicated to helping victims of child abuse and neglect. thank you both for joining us. debbie, i want to start with you. 6,000 cases over four years that were classified as not investigated and ignored. how does something like this happen? >> we just heard about this yesterday. there was a meeting scheduled of
the oversight committee. and the morning of -- well, yesterday morning, this information was released to the media. and the director of the agency is on the committee. and he offered some explanation which frankly was inadequate. we did hear from the police detective who works with the child welfare investigation unit. and he gave us a clearer picture. that somebody, somewhere, in the agency indicated that these cases were not investigated. and didn't proceed as law requires into an investigation. >> and according to cps's most recent semi annual report the average number of hot line reports that were generated every month is 3694 which is a shocking average of 123 every single day. christy, do we know if there's a policy as debbie brings up in place that allowed this to happen, despite the fact that as debbie mentioned law calls for every single case that goes to
that hot line to be investigated? >> right. well as we know five children die every day because of abuse. and one in four girls are sexually abused. so knowing that, having 6,000 cases that have -- were not investigated, is completely unacceptable. chief mckay who works with the office of child welfare investigations have worked closely with child health for many years and it sounds like the one -- he was the one that uncovered that. i don't know how it happened, oversight or something else. i do know that since the national financial crisis we noticed a big change in child abuse reports. many, many family support reports were cut so many families didn't have access to resources. we also had significant funding cuts, which meant fewer child protective service workers and fewer resources that were
available to help children. it is not really that surprising that this happened. the child protective services unit, too many kids to be helped not enough employees. >> in a time when more cases were occurring there were cutbacks and fewer to deal with them. but arizona director of the department of economic security clarence carter said the 6,000 represent only 2.6% of the reported cases. debbie that brings to my mind, can it begs the question, if it's only 2.6%, why couldn't they have dealt with them? it doesn't seem like a huge number of cases, relative to the number they were dealing with. >> the director made a mistake, he didn't realize the importance of those cases, they needed to be investigated and that is what was interestings in the information that was forth coming from the information from the detective.
they went back and look and these cases didn't involve abuse and they did involve cases that had more than one report. you can't use the number. it doesn't tell you. each of those represents a life of a child and our law requires those cases to be investigated. >> now government officials reacted to the scandal. governor jan brewer said what she stated could not be reported, she was so angry. the most urgent, every case must be investigated, no exceptions, no excuses. it is not only the right thing to do, it is the law. i do not want the lights off at cps until this is done. christy what happens now, what is going to ensure that that backlog is dealt with and maybe that there isn't a new backlog going forward? >> well, right now, we have 6,000 children to answer to. chief mckay is -- i believe they're creating a task force
that will be investigating every single one of these cases thoroughly. the founders of child health, sarah omara have located all of our local authorities and key leadership, so that we can all kind of form together right now and figure out how we can all come together, collaborate, not only work through this, figure out what happened and make sure it doesn't happen again. >> now you know we always encourage people to speak up against abuses, to reach out to authorities. debbie aren't you concerned that this is going to cause a lack of faith in the system? >> that's what i said yesterday. whether it's a mandatory reporter like teachers or a police officer, if they believe the reports they file aren't taken seriously, that is a problem and that's not right. and basically, i raise that
question directly to director carter. the credibility of his agency is in question. but beyond that, what christy said about lack of services for families is absolutely right. and that goes beyond the fact that the agency we're talking about, cps, is overburdened. they have a 10,000 case backlog right now, in addition to the 6,000 cases that are now going to step in front of those 10,000 cases. arizona isn't meeting the needs of children who are abused, neglected or at risk. we need to address that and we need to begin to look at prevention services. so we stop the number of kids coming into the pipeline of cps. this has to be fixed. >> i know both of you are important leaders trying to get that to happen. representatives davis, christy, we appreciate your efforts.
and for coming on tonight. >> thank you so much. >> thank you antonio. a cruel and shocking act is how chief justice earl warren described to president lyndon johnson. a hard look at the investigation and the warren commission report raising troubling questions how our government agencies investigated one of the great tragedies in the nation's history. we are warning you, we are going to play clips from the sapruder film. author of the book a cruel and shocking act the secret history of the kennedy assassination, a expose of the investigation.
you don't believe that this man alone could have killed an extremely popular president. isn't that in fact what all the high profile assassinations are like, including his brother's by sirhan sirhan? >> absolutely. the idea that the world could change in this most powerful man in the world could be gunned down and the course of history changed by this man with a $21 mail order rifle, it just seemed unimaginable. it might seem more imaginable today if it happened in 2013. >> you in effect investigated the investigation, you got a call from someone who had been a young staffer on the warren commission saying we've got a lot of stuff we can talk about. >> right. >> and reading through it, you bring up all sorts of problems, the coverups, sequentialal or
unintentional, people covering their butts because of work done improperly. in the end was it a perfect storm that led to the conspiracy theories out there? >> there were many perfect storms going on at the same time. it was perfect both the cia and the fbi were doing their best to hide evidence. the evidence begins disappear after the president's death and on and on and on. this missing chapter with the kennedy assassination, what happens with lee harvey oswald when he was in mexico city, it seems there were tape recordings to his telephone calls, and all that evidence would disappear. it certainly wouldn't reach the warren commission. >> want to talk about that in a minute but hermella. social media. >> asked if they thought jfk's
assassination was a conspiracy, 73% say yes, and 23% say no. majority of americans believe another person was involved. if the warren commission had done a better job would this many people have thought it was a conspiracy? >> if the warren commission had done a better job we wouldn't have been dealing with thousands of theories about the assassination. the warren commission was rushed and it left a tremendous number of questions unanswered. from this void people have pushed their conspiracy theories for years. >> from the russian mob to the mafia, you spent a lot of time with cubans, including going to cuban diplomatic facilities there. why did the fbi not stay any action back then? if -- take any action back then?
if you have got a guy talking about assassinating president kennedy publicly? >> both the fbi and the cia had him under surveillance in the months before the incident, the cia has him under pretty aggressive observation, and the cia and the fbi were facing a terrible question, which is didn't you have any indication that this man was a threat? we now know from the record that they did have that information and they didn't act on it, sort of shades of 9/11. >> bringing up the cuban involvement, was it more bluster and this crazy american who was talking about killing the president to do so? >> this was the height of the cold war, only months after the cuban missile crisis, he's
encountering you know cuban diplomats and mexicans who are very sympathetic to castro's resolution. at the time when john kennedy is trying to kill castro and end that revolution, isn't it possible that someone would encourage him to go back to the assassination. that is not my crazy conspiracy theory, it was one that was commission. there is no credible evidence that castro's government directed oswald he do this. >> bobby kennedy publicly set he agreed with the warren commission findings but you have said that he didn't really, privately, that he had concerns. but he actually wrote off the cia, he looked into whether it was the cia his first reaction and then he turned to mafia
might have been involved? >> robert kennedy junior said that his father had never believed the warren commission and robert died bleefl john was killed by castro's government or some rogue cia. >> he didn't think it was an institutional cia but a rogue element? >> all we heard from young robert kennedy was his father thought it was some element of the cia. >> in the end the question i have about all conspiracy theories, we see how the government is pathetic with keeping any kind of secret. don't you think we would have found out by no if there was one? >> a conspiracy of a second gunman in daly plaza for example, i think all the credible evidence points to lee harvey oswald as the shooter and more compelling evidence that he
is the one who kills j.d. tippet an hour later. the question of whether or not others encouraged oswald to do this and promised him help if he was every able to carry it out. >> what was the most surprising thing you found out in your five years investigating the warren commission? >> two things, i really do believe that this death was preventible. conclusion. that is a conclusion it turns out that was made by the former director of the fbi a man named clarence kelly, who was j. ed gar edgar hoover 's successor. he says there was plenty of evidence of the threat that oswald proposed. if anyone would have connected the dots, the president would
have fieived responsive. kelly tells -- would have survived. i'm glad i can present these opinions more fully to the public. >> again, the book is a cruel and shocking act. time now to find out what's trending on al jazeera's website. merm la. >> the commercial for gold y flox has gone viral. >> you like to buy a pink toy. and every single boy. and you can always get a style and we'll grow up like every boy. >> goldyblox teaches girls to build things to teach them in stem k science, technology,
engineering and math. some people like sociologist lisa wade says it doesn't go fast enough. she says the pastel color toys, further perpetual stereotypes about girls. quote, there's nothing that breaks what we do in this country every day, model what boys do but break with femininity. viewer kelsey says, i think making them pink is the only way you can get girls to feel like they can use them. shana says i'm for anything and everything that gets girls interested in stem subjects. back to you. >> a half century since jfk's assassination. we'll take a look at the man behind the myth with best seller kitty kelley. are fist bumps the handshake of the future?
>> 50 years after miss death, photos of president kennedy and his family instantly recall the bygone era, both are captured in the book, capturing camelot. kitty kelley is the author of the book. she joins us from washington, d.c. kitty, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> jfk was assassinated a half century ago. but recent polls still name him
as the most popular president in the u.s. history. why do you feel that? >> americans really wanted to be jfk. he was not only handsome he was exquisitely educated, he was beautifully spoken, he was very, very rich, he married someone who was gorgeous and as you can see from the book antonio, there is not one bad candid shot of the kennedys. >> that's true. >> they are absolutely gorgeous. >> the pictures were beautiful. stanley kredit passed away in 1999. his pictures are the ones you have put together in this book. how did you know stanley, what was your relationship like? >> i didn't know him during the kennedy years. i was still in college at the time. but when i came to washington, which was i think when lyndon johnson was president, i met stanley during the reagan administration so i didn't know him during his kennedy years at all.
but i knew the photographs. and he talked to me about them and he'd tell me about them and i'd go on shooting assignments with them. he really became a very good friend. he had a stroke and i took care of him for the last few years of his life and i inherited the photographs and really wanted to give them back. and this was the best way i could think to do it. >> it's a wonderful way to do it. and talking about knowing those photographs stanley captured one that all of us know, the famous picture of john jr. at the bottom of the desk, when stanley said to you, when i shove off, that is about the only image i'll be remembered for. what did that say about the jfk white house? >> what it said was sta stanleyt the exclusive four day four night shoot. jackie was there and she wouldn't let anybody photograph the children. she was really so protective of them.
and refused to let the president use them in any way. however, when she went to greece in october, of 1963, the president called stanley and said, the coast is clear. hurry up, get over here. so stanley went over and he started out by, at about 7:00 at night. and that picture was taken when. >> john: came dow whenjohn john john said good night to his father. he wanted to play hide and seek. and stanley kept shooting and shooting. and when he got that picture he knew that was an iconic shot. and i think to this day that is probably the most iconic shot ever to come out of the oval office. >> i got to tell you some of the best pictures feature john john, john jr. stealing the show with all kinds of world leaders, absolutely hilarious.
then you have a picture of john junior in his dad's chair in the oval office, that is one picture that president kennedy did not want stanley to use. >> and you know president kennedy was very, very conscious of image of how things looked. and that's why he and stanley had such a symbiotic relationship. stanley wanted good shots and kennedy wanted to look good. stanley showed him those pictures and kennedy said you can't use that, it looks like i'm too playful in the oval office. that photograph was never published until now. >> it's a great picture. in the book you show jackie kennedy with the kids in the days and years after the assassination. you show that sadness but you also show an envelope that jackie used two years after the
assassination that says, mrs. john f. kennedy. >> she went into an potential official year of mourning, antonio, she wore black, she did no real partying. she had stationery made, with black lettering and black rim, she even had a cartier watch made to commemorate that time. she invited stanley to come to new york to attend john john's birthday party. because john john and stanley had quite a relationship going at that time. and the pictures that jackie took which are in the book of stanley on the floor, with john john trying to get him to build a helicopter, are really rather poignant when you think about
how john kennedy junior lost his life. >> yes, quite sad, she married aristotle onasis years later. >> she's not buried next to her second husband, she's buried next to the president. bobby. had he a very close relationship with him. >> very close. for the three months that rfk ran for president, stanley was with him morning, noon and night. because he had gone to him and he said, your brother promised me that during the second campaign, reelection of 1964, i could follow him around and be part of everything that took place so that we could do a book
on what it is, away what it's like to be president. and bobby kennedy said, great idea. so he complete stanley follow him morning, noon and night. that meant at home, on the plane, campaign stops. so the petitioner are really quite -- so the pictures are really quite revealing. >> final question, do you think there could be a camelot in the current media climate where we have 24-7 news and unsparing gossip sites? >> can a camelot was a wonderful mythology put forward by jacqueline kennedy, she is very, very protective of her husband's image and wanted to present him in the best possible light. because of the assassination, she herself was held up into iconic status. i don't think we'll ever see that again. >> the book is capturing
>> today's data dive gives a pound to the fist bump. cot alternative to handshakes save lives? a new report from the journal of hospital infection suggests people can stop the spread of infections, by the fist bump. anyone who has played tennis can sympathize after having to do the post match shake with an opponent's sweaty and grimy hand. things have gotten so bad, many hospitals have transitioned to
from doo doorknobs to rail. hand sanitizing grew to more than $300 million, sales have leveled off but still is a business. as this stone sculpture of ancient grease, some countries don't use a handshake. in turkey it's customary to kiss a friend on both cheeks. china and japan opt for bowing. a pound, a fist bump or a high five, stick with it. it cuts down on future embarrassment. coming up. why people are downsizing to tiny
good sized walk-in clog in closet? a growing number of people are choosing to go less than 200 square feet. the documentary tiny a story about living small airs here on al jazeera at 9 eastern. >> i was committing to the biggest project of my life. >> the idea to build this house really came out of all these questions that christopher was having about what kind of a life he wanted to build for himself and what he wants the next 30 years of his life to look like. as i see him working on the house i really see him working through those questions. >> christopher and laurette, macy miller joins us from the
town she built and lives in, in boise, idaho. glad to have you with us. biggest project of your life, probably the smallest project of your life. what motivated you to do it? >> a few years ago, i realized i wanted to stop putting off the dream i had to build a cabin in the mountains. i bought some land in the mountains and in researching i realized i couldn't build a house smaller than 600 square feet. i remembered an article i read about tiny houses and it drew me back to that concept. because they're built on wheels, they're trea structures, you're able to navigate sort of circumvent -- >> the regulations? >> exactly. >> how much did it cost? how big is it? >> it was 124 square feet and
cost about 25, $26,000. >> how did you decide to build and how tiny is yours? >> mine is 196 square feet. >> yours is a mansion compared to christopher and laurette. >> my background is in architecture so it was kind of my little experiment to test out some theories i had. >> how did it work out? >> it's working out great. i have been in it for six months and i haven't paid rent. >> how much did it cost you? >> mine was right over $11,000. i used a lot of reclaimed materials. i was able to get some really good deals through some local companies and worked my magic there. >> obviously it's really inexpensive but how do you manage to squeeze into a place that size, especially if it's two of you? >> definitely you can't own a lot of things, which is kind of
part of the draw for people. people who live in tiny houses are minimalists, because they are not spending that much time buying things, they can spend their time on creative projects, friends and family, things that are really important to them. >> there is a community called tiny housers, how do you define a tiny house other than its size? >> tiny houses for the purpose of our documentary we define them as anything less than 200 square feet really. the more you think about it, the lines kind of blur. but really just anything less than 200, 300 square feet. >> pardon the pun but how big is the tiny house movement? >> you know we they there are in the low thousands of people living in these tiny houses across the country. it's grown a lot in the last few years but it's hard to pinpoint exactly how many people because
not everybody is advertising it. >> macy you have a great dane and about to have a baby. how do you handle that? >> i don't notice the lack of space. my dog and i go out a lot, you engage your community, you go to starbucks if you need to get away for a little bit. >> the solution is to spend less time in the house? >> i don't. >> we have a social media question let's go to hermella on that. >> christopher, diana on twitter ask, how do i make a small house that is big enough to include those i love? >> wow, i think what we have really come to through this process, a tiny house, even though our film investigates a house that is 200 square feet or
so, we think any tiny house is a house where space is used really well. you can include them. it's about thinking how much space do you need and what to include in your house to make it feel like a home. do you really need 5,000 square feet or does your family feel more like a family in 2,000 feet? >> is there resale value to it? how many people are on the market for a house this small? >> we are seeing a lot of tiny houses popping up for sale and they're for sale anywhere from $10,000 to $30,000 so i think there's resale value. >> i understand macy people who live in new york where real estate is so expensive and there's a premium put on space, living in small studios, i swear i never would see people that live in spaces as small that are bigger than my new york studio.
>> yeah. i know. you know my background i came from a 2500 square foot house and i literally have three bedrooms that i never ever went into, there were still vacuum marks when i moved. >> is there a real architectural challenge for you as an architect to design the space in as functional possible and economical possible way? >> it's a fun challenge. everything has to have more than one purpose. so almost everything in my house has to have at least two or three purposes. i have a desk that's also a table. my loft is also my dresser. so it's -- yeah, it's a challenge. it's fun. >> what kind of reaction do you get when you tell people you live in a space like this? >> it takes a while to understand, they are usually supersurprised and they kind of think about it and it really appeals to them, the
idea of keeping things at the essentials. >> do people a like to visit? >> we have 20, 30 people come by, those parties usually take place outside as you can imagine. we have actually had people watching tv at the same time. >> crammed in there. is your house an attraction too? >> you know it is. i've had people knock on my door and say, what is this, i give them a tour. >> you are connected to the electrical grid and to water? >> i am. compatible. at the end of the life span it will be off the grid but when i'm in town i hook up to an electrical cord and i have a water hydrant in the yard that i hook up to. >> your house is mobile.
what do you do for water and power and toilets? >> i initially designed the house we built it to be off the grid for some land i had already built in the mountains. there isn't running water but we had planned for that and we haul water in, and you know there's a shower and everything. life. >> how long do you think you can live in that space? >> you know i've been in it for a while now. i love it. i think i could do it indefinitely but i think it's great for my life but my life might change. >> how about the baby and the dog? >> i've got a three year plan, at least. >> the documentary is called tiny, a story about living small. it airs right here at 9:00 on sunday on al jazeera