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tv   Consider This  Al Jazeera  February 24, 2014 10:00pm-11:01pm EST

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>> over the course of a weekend, deposed ukrainian president viktor yanukovych went from leader of a project to wanted for mass murder. after months of protest that turned violent, the former prime minister is on the run and the former opposition is left to create the government while trying to avoid the corruption and scandal that plagued ukraine for years. >> joining us from boston is gregory post a former bureau chief in moscow and author of a book called "russians - the people behind the power." on friday the opposition made a deal with then president viktor yanukovych to end the violence set new elections for september, reinstate the 2004 constitution limiting the president's power, and on saturday he's deposed, sunday no one knows where he is
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and monday he's facing charges, wanted for mass murder, how did this happen so quickly? >> he lost control of the situation. what happened is that whether it was viktor yanukovych who ordered the use of force, the riot police were essentially shooting civilians. most of them unarmed. this created so much outrage in ukraine that it essentially was the end for viktor yanukovych. i think it was a matter of time. >> where do you think he is does he have anywhere to run? >> i think he could go to russia. i suspect that he is in the russian - well, the russian court of civelstopo - the home of the black sea fleet. he disappeared in a town on the black sea that is close. i suspect he's been whisked away
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by russian special forces of some kind. >> now that the opposition is in charge and elections set for may, will they be able to work together. we saw that the opposition was divided. some of the opposition leaders were booed on friday to agree to the deal that led to viktor yanukovych leaving. >> that's right. there are a lot of radicalized protesters who risking their lives and health to essentially protest and counterthe riot police and get rid of viktor yanukovych. it is a very tricky situation. nevertheless i think ukraine has just had a very moment us occasion. they got rid of essentially a criminal leader and i think that the new interim president has been acting very quickly. parliament has acted quickly to pass laws that would establish the legitimacy of the authorities going forward. tomorrow, on tuesday, they'll
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form an interim government. we'll see what's but the big question is whether the new interim president will be able to assert authority over the state institutions or the police. a lot of officers loyal to the former president, and on the streets where you see a lot of so-called defense forces the protesters guarding prisons, parliament conducting traffic at intersections, you see the police coming back and taking up their roles as well on the side lines, it's a good sign. >> talking about a criminal leader, opposition protesters ended up walking into viktor yanukovych's mansion, and what they found points just to incredible corruption a private golf course zoo, car election.
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it goes on and on and on. how big of an issue is corruption in ukraine? >> it's very big. one of the things that surprises me is we in the west are surprised. i covered the elections in 2010, the presidential elections when viktor yanukovych was elected. i remember him giving a victory speech. he won by a hair. it was not clear that he would win. he wanted to establish himself and act very quickly. so he called the news conference. a lot of reporters were there. it was in the opulent ritz carlton, and you could see the politicians, and businessmen supporting him. they had a criminal look about them. this was from the start a criminal group, essentially, i think, and the mansion, the boat the car collection, the
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private zoo, all of that now she is to most ukrainians and the world, that this was the case. >> julia tymoschenko, released over the weekend, former prime minister of ukraine, she was in prison for corruption that she was convicted on. corruption will remain an issue as we move forward. the division in ukraine has been painted as a battle between russia and the west and internally in ukraine between the western side which is pro-western and the eastern side which is pro-russian. do you see this as a win for the west? >> it's absolutely a win for the west. it is a conflict that's been going on for a long time on a lot of levels. ukraine is split geographically and in population 50/50, as you say, between the russia looking predominantly russian speaking east and the western-looking
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ukrainian. it is that and it is more than that. the viktor yanukovych administration and regime was corrupt, cracks down against free speech oversaw corruption gaoled julia tymoschenko, and it is more black and white on that level. >> a quick final level. the russians withdrew their ambassador saying they will not deal with mewettin ears. what will russia do? is that the question moving forward? >> the big fear is that russia will use intervention or force. thankfully that has not been the case. we find russia's actions mistious. why would president vladimir putin try to push the country on russia's southern border to the verge of civil war.
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i write in my book that a lot of russian action is confusing. based on practical reasons. the logic ear is that vladimir putin makes decisions not in the interests of his people but he didn't want ukraine to join the west. he was willing to do everything possible to do that. he's not using force now, but the russian prime minister dmitry med ef ef is calling new leaders coming to power. they are trying to undermine the pro western leaders and act according to their old play book. hopefully there's a window for the new authorities to change what has been going on in ukraine. >> the book is "russians: the people behind the power." good to have you on the show. >> protests offend in
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venezuela's capital caracas after calls from the opposition leader to keep the protests peaceful. at least 13 died since the widespread protests began two weeks ago against crime, corruption, high inflation and shortages of basic goods. hundreds of thousands of anti-government protesters filled the streets of caracas on saturday in big demonstrations. the opposition leader is calling on protesters not to give up. his family says the government offered to send him into exile, but the deal was rejected. is venezuela a country with the largest petroleum reserves heading the way of ukraine, with protests building or will the government, the president, nicolas maduro succeed in riding out the demonstrations. i'm joined by founder and editor of america's quarterly amongst other things.
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we saw people power have a phenomenal victory in the ukraine. overthrowing a cost in fact could that happen in venezuela. >> in ukraine you had a series of european diplomats. trying to put on a compromise there's no such thing. the u.s. spoke about concern. whether it's brazil argentina, they have not subpoena out. there's not that level of engagement looking for a solution. that is different. what little speaking out is split. >> it's split, and the stuff against raising concerns about freedom of expression is weak. there's that. the second is that this is an opposition that has been asking for this for a long time.
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is nicolas maduro has nod shown an inclination to compromise. if there's a change it will probably be within the government. this government doubled down given heated rhetoric. >> i want to get to the internals of the government. let's stick to ukraine. is there a chance - viktor yanukovych was not willing to compromise but the protest got stronger and stronger, and they pushed and forced his hand. is there that will with the opposition in venezuela. >> i think in part it's their desire. it's unclear what the end game is in this. in the past early in the chazvez government, they attempted to do that did it briefly in 2002 where the coup government overreached, that's what they want to the see. we have heard them talk about not stepping down or negotiating
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with the government is it white the oppression lasts. >> how unified is the opposition in ukraine. the former pois leader cap ril es was supposed to meet with nicolas maduro, is there cracks within the opposition. >> no, i think it's unified. a lot of people made a lot of their divisions. it represented two different strategies. it was difficult, you needed a popular expression on the streets to express the legitimate and real economic frustration, and elections were not sufficient. you heard today that henrique
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capriles would not negotiate with the government white the oppression continued and as long as leopoldo lopes remains in prison. >> that leads to cracks because the governor of the state where the protests began, who is backing off. this is a loyal chavez associate for decades, he's come out saying that he doesn't believe that he's opposed to the way the government put down protests with weapons, and called for political prisoners including lopez to be released. >> this is similar to ukraine. >> the governor was with chavez
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in 1992 when they had the first coup. the question is whether these protests are sustained. whether they go along with the government or decide enough is enough. >> how about the role of cuba? it's a big deal. the opposition is making a big deal saying the cubans are involved at all levels and cuba needs venezuela to be on their side. oil is a significant part of the economy, so the cubans can't afford to lose nicolas maduro as an ally. >> consider this - venezuela is 15% of cuba's gdp. that's for the 100,000 barrels of oil a day. in return cuba sent about 40,000 doctors and trainers and advisors. >> military. >> most of it military spies.
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a lot of the strategy... >> the government thugs that are violent. >> were based on committees for the defense of the revolution in cuba. they advised the government on how to present its own strategy. they need the life line. cuba has been twisting in the wind. >> is there a danger it may increase the violence. >> i think they'll try to remain there as much as they can. nicolas maduro is their man. there are others within the government but they are less pro-cuban pro-cuban. >> nicolas maduro made noises about meeting with president obama. any chance that will happen? >> no and nor should it. >> time to see what is trending on the website. >> one of the arguments that we here dash sorry, is it pre-taped. ...
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>> from priestly child abuse, cronyism crime and corruptions at the vatican bank pope francis has his handsful. we look at the scandals within the church that frannize has had to try to manage. expectations for the new pope could not be higher. >> francis is the first pope not to have studied in rome worked in rome or spent time in rome. he's an outsider. >> he's a man that can draw up the people and give them hope. one has to wonder if he can live up to his own less assy. >> i'm joined by author of
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"secrets of the vatican" debuting on pbs. anthony, great to have you with us. alarming things you raise. high hopes for pope francis. >> absolutely. >> when pope benedict xvi weren't there scandals in the church, and hopes he'd clean them up? >> absolutely. the famous good friday address that he gave five days before the pope died. ratsinger promised to clean the filth in the church. i have no doubt in my mind as others do that he was thinking of the big case that we deal with of mafiell, mafiell. he couldn't do the things that he wanted to do. >> marciel was the head of the
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looejons of -- legions of christ, and he had a long history, as you expose in the documentary, where documents were sent to the vatican, calling attention to his behaviour. the man ended up having six children out of wedlock. abusing a score of children, including some of his own biological children. it's an incredible story that you tell. how did - it wasn't just pope benedict. it was pope john paul and pope paul before him. >> the first complaint was in the 1950s. there was large amounts of money donated to the individual and the church in general. all the problems were overlooked. it is a dreadful story. >> pope benedict - he was stephen as a bulldog, a tough
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man, a doctrinel cardinal. what happened when he became pope, was he a weak administrator. he was a poor administrator. he was strong on doctrine. his background was difficult. he never had real pastoral experience, or a priest for 10 15 years. he had a year where he was a priest, but he was studying so hard for another doctorate. it was that lacking of understanding how to deal with people, the lacking of the charisma that pope francis has, that was a problem. he really delegated so much of the administration to other people particularly to his chosen secretary of state, cardinal petoni. >> the hope is that pope francis, that we saw, who is an outsider, as an outsider will
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have the strength to deal with the church scandals that are dealt with including the scandals in the u.s. and you address one at the arch diocese at milwaukee, and a story that you exposed. monica barrett was eight when raped by a priest in a church and described what happened immediately after. >> and i just sat there. i didn't know what i should do. and eventually i realised that there was blood on my legs and there was blood on the new purple shorts that my grandmother had given to me for my birthdays, so when i got to the end of the aisle i wiped the blood off with some of the holy water and sat under a big tree, and i was just crying because i was in pain and i didn't understand what had happened to me and i was scared.
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as a child who went to catholic school we were taught that the priest is basically the closest you'll ever get to god, and for me when i was raped by that priest it just pulled my entire foundation out from under me. everything was just taken away in that day. >> eventually the father was convicted of sexual assault on another child and died in prison. monica never got her day in court because of the statute of limitations. but the diocese of milwaukee sued her to recover $14,000 in legal expenses. >> so she gets raped as a child, and the arch diocese sues her. >> that's right. >> she believes that was meant to intimidate her to not speak out. does your reporting support
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that? >> absolutely. there was definite aim to intimidate, and it - one wonders how many people who had that experience, when they were very young, were intimidated and didn't come forward or drag it up again. i found in most of these cases that when something like this happens, when they are eight, nine or 10 it takes them years to confront their abuser. it's not something that can be dealt with immediately. the important point to the make is this: we know that this kind of child abuse exists in almost every organization. there's some of it somewhere. when it's your priest as monica expressed so beautifully there, that makes it more terrible because he is someone between you and god. it is a shattering thing to happen. >> you address the curia, the bureaucracy in rome at the
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vatican, and the hypocrisy because of a strong gay culture that exists there. you address the vati-leaks scandal. the butler for pope benedict who gave out a series of documents, and you go and talk about the vatican bank. and on monday we learn that the pope created a new department the secret air yacht of the economy to provide oversight for economic and administrative affairs, including cardinals, but laypeople as well. the scandal again is tremendous. all sorts of money disappearing and money laundering. >> it's a tremendous problem. he has taken other steps. by october of last year he sought to close 900 accounts. he appointed a commission in the early days within three or four weeks of his election to the papacy to investigate the vatican. he's serious about making
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changes and is a man of great strength. >> let's hope that pope francis manages to do what he set out to do. anthony thomas it's a pleasure to have you on the show. the front line documentary is named "secrets of the vatican" airing on tuesday night. thank you very much. >> a sad update. we did a story on alice herz-sommer, the oldest survivor. she survived the nazis because she was placed in a camp and used for propagation purposes. she found a sillver lining at the camp - her music. >> i knew that we would play. and when we play it can't be so
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terrible. the music - the music. music is the first place of art. it brings us on an island with peace, beauty and love. music is a dream. music is a dream. >> alice will be missed. this weekend we'll bring you our interview with the film makers of "the lady in number 6" and a number of other document airians. "consider this" is the only outlet to bring you all 10 feature length documentaries, part of a special edition called "for your consideration" oscar documentaries. >> why so many of our co-worker are making the rest of us sick. our data dive is next.
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>> today's data dive tries to tough it out. more than woun out of four -- one out of four americans polled say they go to work when sick.
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it comes after a survey by the national sanitation foundation, a public health group. why do the infected risk infecting others. many claim deadlines or the bigger working lines after taking a sick day, that they show up for work risking the rest of the offices wellbeing. then there are freelances - if they don't working they don't get paid. all of this going to work while sick can have a compound effect. california's disability group says workers coming in with the flu create a domino effect increasing the company's work days by up to 30%. 94% say they take precautions before proposing sick colleagues. four out of five use handsanitisers, and sick workers are judged in a positive way by almost anyone. those that show up six are being
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held up as hard workers. one in five think they are selfish for working through their illnesses. sometimes the most selfish thing you con do is be selfish about your health and get some rest. >> coming up a big asteroid smashes into the moon. should we be worried here on earth.
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>> a big collision put a crater on the moon. we have just gotten footage of what happened. an 880 pound asteroid blasted a hole in the moon causing a bright and lasting explosion that could be seen from the earth. do we need to be concerned about
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something similar happening here. let's break-in in derek pitts, the chief astronomer at the science museum. good to see you. it must be exciting to see the creation of a new crater. >> it's always exciting to see something like this. it reminds us as comet hunter david leafy said that the solar system is under construction. every once in a while we see one of these systems on the moon, and we have the capability to survey on a regular basis. >> the rock was going 38,000 miles an hour and the force the equivalent of exploding 16 tonnes of dynamite triple the size of a collision seen before. if an object that size makes it through our atmosphere and hits the earth, what would the
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consequence be. >> if we eliminate it falling into the ocean or less populated regions of the planet a large crater would be created. it could cause widespread destruction, and the kind of event that we don't want to see happen. fortunately there's not as many of these event taking place any more as there were in the early history. we haven't seen anything like this in recorded history, except for one that happened in 190 #, -- 1908, the tungusca effect and another in russia. >> both in russia. >> what could happen with potential collisions on the earth? >> when we look at something like that not only do we under the force of an impact but it
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gives us the opportunity to check to see how well our equations are to track an object. n.a.s.a. and other agencies did a great job of being able to identify the largest items, and we don't expect the earth will be struck by anything very large over the next 100 years or so. there are smaller objects we keep track of. some may make it to earth. what we need to do is identify them early enough that we can do something to prevent them striking earth. >> it races the question - do we have anything we can do? >> we are coming up with interesting ideas. there's a couple of mitigation ideas ranging from dropping a nuclear war head to break it up into smaller pieces small enough that we can minimise the
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damage that would be done. out to something as interesting as sprinkling a white material like sugar or flower so differential heating will cause it to tumble in such a way as to move it off course. a number requires that we can identify the object and take action. the best defense is a good offense, and we need to do more to find the objects. >> california has suffered through what has been called the worst drought in history. you can see the brown parts land from space. now, n.a.s.a. apparently can help. how? >> one of the ways that n.a.s.a. can help is bring to bear the asset it has allowing us to look on the surface and see the effects of the drought in areas like california and the west. the satellites can help us
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understand what the participation is for snow melt coming up in the spring that might help to some degree to assuage the drought. there's more water needed. we can use the satellites to study the climate, if you will the climatic condition changes that are taking place, and we can get better ideas on how the climate is changing how we can better interact. talking about n.a.s.a. technology, other ways to create fresh water in california, and other places prone to drought? >> the idea is to better identify the regions affected and figure out ways to mitigate the effect and trying to identify what sources of water would be available. >> there's technology about
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reikling water that -- recycling water to help recreate water. >> yes, i see what you mean. n.a.s.a. is using various technologies on the international space station and on the space shuttle. these can certainly help to recycle water usage. it's one of the best things to do recycle what we have rather than finding new sources. n.a.s.a. has a number of technologies, and is a great way to spend the tax dollars, using those resources. >> you believe that that is a reason we need to fund n.a.s.a. >> i think the benefit we get from n.a.s.a. we get at a cheap price, a penny per person across the country. it's a good deal. >> dr derrick pittsas. good to have you on the show. the show may be over but the conversation continues on the website, you can find us on facebook twitter
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o or google+. see us next time. continues. >> good evening everyone. welcome to al jazeera america. i'm john siegenthaler in new york. after the revolution, the next move for ukraine. we'll have the latest from the kiev and take you inside the palatial home of the former president. mystery illness children in california trick wn a-stricken with a


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