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>> start with one issue ad guests on all sides of the debate. and a host willing to ask the tough questions and you'll get... the inside story ray suarez hosts inside story weekdays at 5pm et / 2pm pt only on al jazeera america ... does a man who was burglarized twice have the right to set a trap for thieves and took -- kill someone who took the bait? shocking footage from ukraine as the pro-russian forces boil over. >> mass kidnapping of girls in africa. one of the world's foremost daredev
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daredevils. welcome to "consider this" here is more on what's ahead. ♪. >> the benghazi uproar gets louder. >> the white house's response. >> it is disturbing that these documents were hidden. >> the e-mail that you are talking about are explicitly separate from the attack on benghazi. >> the fate of more than 200 nigerian school girls is a mystery. >> the hard line separatists, bokaharam is believed to be behind the attack. >> another man accused of killing a teenager who broke into his home. >> prosecutors believe the couple set a trap. >> it's easy to second-guess. at that moment, he believed he had no other choice. >> there is nothing wrong with a homeowner defending with lethal force. >> two sky divers leap from the world's tallest building in dubai. we begin tonight with stunning images out of ukraine.
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pro-russian protesters stormed a state prosecutor's office in donetsk throwing rocks and overwhelming police attempting to defend the building. >> vladimir putin called on ukraine to pull troops out of some parts of the country, handing over to pro-russian separatists. >> via skype from donetsk, simon, good of you to join us. these pictures are just horrifying. i know you wrote in your piece for "the post" that donetsk is getting closer to mob rule? >> yeah. i mean it does feel like that. the police were utterly humiliated today by sort of stick-wielding and rock-throwing mob, and, you know, you have to -- the leaders of that mob were very, very ex plicit. they were outside the police station earlier in the day. they said, we are holding a referendum on may the 11th.
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after that referendum, the police answer to us. if they don't answer to us, we will remember it. they then went to the state prosecutor's office where a few dozen riot police were guarding the office, and they forced their way in past the riot police who were in disarray, having their shields taken off. they tried to mount a defense there was tear gas, rocks thrown, a crowd at their back shouting "fascists and at any raters." the police were could youering on the ground with the shields over their heads and stripped to their riot gear and led away with their heads bowed. >> it's amazing to see that picture of them all together in what seemed like a hut of shields trying to protect themselves from these assailants. this isn't the first time the police have basically been impotent. there was a pro-ukrainian march
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where the police did nothing. >> right. absolutely. on that day maybe they thought they could -- they could curry favor with the pro-russian separatists. but it hit home today. the police have been criticized boy both sides. to be fair, the police are under-paid, completely demoralized. i have spoken to several in the last few days. it's a corrupt force, let's face it, too because they don't get much money. in a difficult position but, you know, the ukrainian government is blaming them for not doing more to stand up to the separatists and the separaterists blaming them for making the slightest attempt to be newtral. so, it's a pretty sorry position to be in if you are a policeman in eastern ukraine at the moment. >> the government said it's helpless to deal with the pro-russian activists. where do you see things going?
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it's clear who is in control in donetsk at the moment. they are not administering the city but it's these men with sticks and whatever. and guns, you know, men with pistols there as well today. not the shots anymore. reallya preventing anybody else from having a say. the pro-ukrainian groups here havi trying to have another rally, after the first one was so badly broken up. the last one was so violently broken up the day before. you can't hold a rally because it's a threat to the people of donetsk for you to hold a peaceful rally. so, you know, only one side is allowed to hold rallies at the moment. >> a frightening situation there. appreciate you taking the time to join us. thank you. ? >> pleasure.
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>> now to pressure classes between vans, a retired general and the white house over the 2012 benghazi attack that killed four americans. the white house insisted for days following the attack that it was sparked by an anti-muslim video like others in the region that day and that it was not a planned act of terror. but in testimony before the house oversight committee thursday, retired robert lovell disputed that. >> what we did know quite early on was that this was a hostile action. this was no demonstration gone terribly awry. to the point of what happened, the facts led to the conclusion of a terrorist attack. >> general lovell also said the military should have tried to react to the attack those u.s. forces were not in a position to immediately respond and that the state department delayed the ultimate decision to deploy deploy. armed services schmidt chairman buck mckean disagreed with general lovell's testimony adding, we have no evidence that
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department of sait delayed terror. >> a just-released talking points e-mail prepared for then u.n. ambassador susan rice to use on sunday talk shows following the attacks proved the white house had tried to spin the story to its advantage. among the points, rice was to convey that the u.s. is doing everything we can to product our people and facilities abroad and more controversially though underscore these protests are rooted in an internet video and not a broader failure of poli polipolicy. darrell isa blasted the e-mail and the white house failure to supply it until a lawsuit forced its release. >> the white house produced the talking points that ambassador rice used, not the intelligence community. it is disturbing and perhaps criminal that these documents,
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the documents like these were hidden by the obama administration from congress and the public alike. >> for more, i am joined from washington, d.c. by general mark kimmet, former secretary of state for middle east policy, assistant secretary of state for political military affairs and an al jazeera could be tribu tribute and by jim warren, good of both of you to be with us on the show. i will start with you. linedsay gram said about this talking points e-mail, and i quote: it 69s two months before the presidential election. does he have a point? >> no. he does not have a point. he has an example of classic, almost grotesque political hyperbole he repeated. he is paying sanchez to done quixote to senator mccain. they have gone off of the rails,
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the many reports that have been done on this, as mark also knows, including back in january, a bi-partisan senate select intelligence committee report, which concluded that there was no, you know, that there was no cynical political attempt to -- >> why hold this e-mail back? >> you know, very good question. i don't know because if you look at the actual timeline of e-mails from that day, antonio that have already been out for months and look at where in the day this thing was written, it simply follows in some ways, in some sentences word for word, e-mails that we have already known about, mostly from the cia that, you know, passed along the notion now we realize swhou erroneous but a notion that the cia believed in for a period of time including their station chief in libya that this is it in some fashion was a function of mobs inspired by that
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antiislamic video. so, i don't know why they -- i don't know why they waited. if they had have given this up months ago, it would not have been notable at all. so the only thing of note here is that for some reason, they held back on it. substantively, it offers us absolutely nothing new. >> general chemmet, general lovell it was for the africa amendment if it knew it was a terrorist attack from the start and senior defense officials were informed of that, shouldn't the white house have known that, too? >> well, i think there is still a little more explaining that needs to be done with regards to what was known, when it was known inside the white house and how that turned into a series of sunday talk shows that tried to explain this. >> white house spokesperson jay carney has insisted that the white house changed little when this came to the talking points. if you go through the timeline, isn't there evidence that the talking points referred to and terrorists in benghazi, that that was removed by the state
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department and that politics and spin did have some role here because former deputy cia director mike moorel said when he heard roos talk about the video on the sunday show that his reaction d, you know, he wa surpris surprised? >> yeah, i think the number two on the ground in libya, in the state department, the deposit team chief felt the same way: so it would seem that given that there is still some uncertainty about what was done that resulted in thousands those five sunday talk shows, even though there have been some congressional hearings, new evidence that was redacted up to this point. it may be worthwhile for both sides to sit down at the table and find out what really happened here. >> general ran, he said we should have tried to do something to help our people in benghazi although peopit was sh that there wasn't much in the way of military assets in place. he said we always have to ride to the sound of the guns. general, your reaction to that?
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>> that sounds pretty good in a rambo movie, but had we rushed off, pel mel into an ambiguous situation without the proper intelligence or planning, we may not be talking about a situation here where .4 people were killed but we could have had the extraction forces, rescue forces killed as well because in a russia to do something, you rush to failure. that's a cardinal rule in the military you don't make that kind of mistake. you soberly, quickly and as rapidly as possible address the situation but don't just run over the top of the heal because you feel a compelling need to do something. >> that's how you get people killed. >> mark and antonio, if you listen closely alleges later to lovell's own testimony upon interrogation by congressman colley, he said something -- conley when he was different, said given the resources we had at the time, could we have stopped this? and the answer, basically, was no no. >> that's sort of one of the
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three key questions in all of this, i think. a, was there adequate security at that place? b, given the resources, could we have stopped it and, 3, had we, the white house, been lying? i think it's the concenof fire mind would folks there was insufficient security but there was, you know, no trail of desseat, no cover-up and given the minimal resources they could not have stopped thisceit, no c the minimal resources they could not have stopped this. >> let's talk to jay -- listen to jay carney talking about this new e-mail? >> the documents released through a foya request that include the e-mail are explicitly about the broader areas separate from the attack on benghazi, a q and a about the protests happening in tunis, khartum and cairo and everywhere. >> those broader areas are mentioned, but the purpose of the memo was to prepare ambassador to support the white house line that it wasn't connected to darerism when the
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white house had claimed it had al-qaeda on the run. so are you as convinced as jim that there wasn't any polit sizing here? >> well, i just still am left with a question if that information was so important that it is now being revealed, why was it redacted, and why did it take a foia request? >> talk about politicizing, is this latest focus on benghazi the republicans polit sizing trying to keep the story alive? certainly al political weapon against hillary clinton if she rungs for president in 2016? >> yeah. let me say when i say, you know, not political, i mean this is also in the context of the end of a presidential campaign. in the sense, in the hot house, everything is seen through a political lens. >> doesn't mean when you send someone on the sunday talk shows to intentionallily. and to your broader question, for the republicans, it's all
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parts of a larger thesis that they have >> i think in some cases, very sincerely of continuous deceit and dissembly by the white house and its agencies and whether it's somehow shafting the tea party and the irs if in cincinnati or undue federal to sole solendra, the solar panel outfit and then you throw in their belief that obama has not been successful in the war on terrorism, which i think is debatable. you mix that with the possibility that the person was a secretary of state at the time of this is likely, if she runs, you know, the favorite to beat whomever they put up for president. and, you know, you have a pretty steamy political mix. >> certainly has gotten heated this week. jim ran mark kimmet. >> thanks antonio.
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>> to the disappearance of malaysia flight 370, a skimpy report on the investigation. it raises serious questions, though: why did it take air traffic controllers 17 minutes before knowing that they had lost contact with the plane? and why did it take four hours after the final conversation with the cockpit to alert search andretive u teams? the report also offered the likely flight path for the plane once it went off course showing it turned back from the south china sea, cut across the southern tip of thailand and then flew across the malaysian peninsula before going west and flying beyond military rad arizonaded detection down to the southern reaches of the indian ocean. not a single piece of the plane has yet to be pounds. new audio of the last voice communication from the flight gave no indication of problems or anything sinister on board ending with these words: >> malaysian 370.... >> joining us from phoenix, arizona former american airlines
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pile lolt lot jim 'tilman, earning the rask of captain. jim, it is good to see you. thank you for doing this for us. some disturbing things. precious time was lost first because the plane clearly wasn't being watched closely. seventeen minutes before anyone noticed that the plane was missinging? is that normal when a plane is transfer from controllers in one country to controllers in another? >> no. it's not. i have heard some analysts say this is a time when you might have the a lapse in communication. that's true but tonal a certain extent. i got to tell you, your life is in the hands of air traffic control and they know that. they monitor your airplane just as they would take care of a yuk child. and they make sure that it's in the right place and they give you all of the information you need, and it works out really well. >> that didn't happen here. the next problem the report brings up is that once they realize there was an issue with
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the plane, malaysian airlines apparently told controllers that the plane was in cam bodesian airspace even though the flight plan didn't take it over cambodia. >> caused more delays. how did that happen? >> i have no idea how they came up with cambodia. there is no evidence that they found a blip or anything else on radar that showed the aircraft over cambodia. i mean, some of these things coming out of this report are, well, in keeping with the way they have been running this investigation from d day 1. >> yeah. it really is terrible. the result of all of this was that there was a four-how delay before there was an initial alert to rescuers, making matters worse, the defense minister and prime minister weren't notified until nine hours later that the plain -- after the plane had vanished it had turned and gone west. one question for you is, then, why in those early days, if they did know, even though it was
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nine hours later, they did know that first day that the plane had gone west, why was there so much focus on the south china sea in the first few days? >> well, you have said a lot of things there. and one of the thinks that you're showing is a tremendous difference in the way things are handled there and particularly in this investigation, and the way they are handled here in the united states. let me just say in their defense -- and they don't have much of a defense but i will say what i can. you know, there was a time when most of us know of some villages or communities where you didn't lock your front door. it's because you never had any burglaries, you never had any problems, everybody trusted everybody, and it's that kind of being lulled into a safe security that isn't real anymore. i think that malasia just may be one of those countries that has been living on this attitude that, we don't have to really worry in the sense that the u.s.
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does and the u.k. would have to. so they just didn't have their protocols. they didn't have their mindset. they didn't have a culture that said to them, you know what? i don't know where that airplane is. let's find it. let's get on it. >> one of the results of this preliminary report is much shorter than preliminary reports have been in other major accidents. the report did suggest one safety recommendation to prevent this from happening again, losing a plane: realtime tracking of airplanes. i think most people thought we had that until this all happened because the recommendations had been made in the past. >> william, we do have that to a large extent and it depends upon where you are and route will take you. they have a system in europe that works quite well. i understand canada has one they are working on and ours is called nexgen, a very fine
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approach toward taking care of these issues that will go away as soon as we have that positive identification is that streams data consistent. i am told ours was on the chopping block for around. maybe around 20/20. >> so difficult and sad for the families as this has been going on for some long with no resolution. now on malaysian airlines told relatives they have to move out of the hotels where they had them. a lot of heartbreak there. >> you know, i don't know how any of those people have made it this far. they have been jerked around. they have been told this and been told that. they have been given information that turned out not to even be true. they have been misled in every way you can be. they have had an emotional rollercoaster. it's been terrible for them. and my heart goes out to them. a lot of this was totally unnecessary. >> jim 'tilman, it is very good
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of you to join us? >> thank you. >> a tragic case that's ignited another firestorm on stand your ground laulz and has people on both sides of the issue trying to figure out where to draw the line. >> hundreds of girls recordt reportedly sold as slaves. hermella is tracking the top stories on the web. what's trending? >> seattle's mayor is looking to more than double the federal minimum wage. some people say it goes too far. i will tell you more coming up. are you following us on twitter yet? you can let us know what you think throughout the show by tweeting to us at ajconsiderthis. we will be right back.
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[ music ] a montana man is claiming self defense after killing a 17-year-old german exchange student who entered his garage in the early hours of sunday morning. the shooter's home had been burglarized twice in three weeks and allegedly, he had set a trap, leaving his garage open with valuables in sight while waiting up with his shotgun by his side. this mirrors a 2012 shooting in minnesota when a man-made his house look unoccupied and killed two teenage burglaries. the shooter in that case claimed self defense as well.
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he was convicted of murder on tuesday. these cases are again raising important questions about the line between self-defense and unlawful vigilanteism. joining us from missoula a, montana is elly bowman hill. she supports guns rights but has been critical of montana's castle doctorine which allows homeowners to use deadly force if they feel threatened. she has drafted a bill to repeal parts of the law. good of you to join us. the law in montana specifies a person must believe themselves to be threatened with bodily injury or loss of life before taking deadly force. the accused told police he had assumed the intruder had a knife, a tool, a weapon from inside his garage. no context, especially because of all of those recent burglaries, is that enough for a reasonable belief of a threat? >> oh, i wholly disagree, and that's why the district
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attorney's office here in missoula a, montana has charged him with deliberate suicide. i think the biggest question is not just the tragedy that happened to the german exchange student, 17 years old who folks are saying went into this man's garage to steal some beer. it was wide open. but the bigger context of these expanded stand your ground laws or expanded castle doctorine laws which, from my perspective, in the 24 states in the united states where they have been enacted have just led to more gun violence and vigilante justice. >> in any case, would a cast he will doctorine or stands your ground law apply if somebody sets a trap for someone else? >> well, it certainly has been used as a defense in this case. the attorney for the accused here in montana has already stated that that's his stalwart defense to this, to the
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deliberate homicide charge, and some of the rhetoric of the folks that believe in these laws, not just here in montana but from around the nation feel like the shooting was righteous, that should someone walk on to your property, wander on to your property, come into your garage, albeit to steal beer or a lawn mower or anything else, i guess, has a right to lethal force, has a right to be shot and has a right to be killed. i am just saying that as a gun owner, myself, and someone who has a healthy respect for the second amendment, that's not common sense and as former prosecuting attorney, i stand with law enforcement and folks from around the country that say that does not recommend the american system of justice, not now, not in montana and not for the last .100 years. we did away with lynchings. >> the argument, of course, from the other side is, this is a guy whose house had been burglarized twice. you know, luckily, i have never been burglarized at home but i can only imagine people must
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feel a certain level of fright to being scared that it's going to happen again. and so, is it not reasonable if somebody does get into your property, especially under those circumstances to think, well, maybe this guy had an argument to go out there and defend himself, his bwife, his propert? >> well, the circumstances in this case, in fact, the alleged -- the defendant was in his occupied dwelling, in his house. there was a baby monitor. i think of a baby monitor -- i have a 6 month old baby you can hear. this was actually a visual one, so the man actually could see the 17-year-old boy in his garage. he took a still photo of it. he went around the front of the house in front of the garage and shot after calling into the garage and hearing the young man shout back, then deliberately shot at him. this is after earlier in the week, telling a hairdresser that he had stayed up for the last
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three nights trying to catch these kids who had been stealing from his garage, stealing cigarettes and beer and stuff from his wife's car, that he was going to use -- used a profanity and killed the kid. i think his intentions were pretty clear. my point is just that these laws created the culture that led this person to believe that his killing of a 17-year-old boy in his garage, when really he was in no danger, he should have just called the police. we don't have the death sentence for stealing or even burglary in this country. >> one of your dreeingz, state representative krayton kerns sa said, a person's fundamental right to protect themselves? is that a fair points? what do you think needs to be changed? how should the castle doctorine be change did to protect homeowners and people who, you
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know, and people from not being shot gratuitously? >> yeah. so montana just like a lot of the other states in this country had perfectly fine self defense laws where if a perpetrator came into your house and was a true danger to you and your family, absolutely, you could use lethal force but within the last six or scenario years, we haveen states all over this country at the behest of the american legislative council or national rival association promulgate these laws that expands the cassel doctorine, stands your ground which i think is more appropriately called shoot first, ask questions later, whether it was in florida with the trayvon martin case or now in the great state of montana where republicans and democrats both carry guns. this isn't a partisan issue. this is a safety issue for our communities. this isn't an urban or rural issue. it's time for americans to say listen these 24 statesmen who enacted -- states that have en
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acted these laws, it's not reasonable. the good representative kerns who introduced this bill was responsible for an array of other bills to bring guns in bars, untin schools. johnny cash said don't take your guns to town. we think that's a pretty common sense idea. you know, i appreciate him not and i have a long political differences about as diametrically opposed asnd ri expect we come from a current tree where that's possible. guns are killing twice as many kids than cancer right now. americans will die of more gun deaths than cars by 2.015. i think it's time we all stood up, whether we are from montana or bloomberg in new york and say, you know, enough is enough. >> montana state representative elie hill, good of you to join us. an absolutely hor endous story of a mass kidnapping of girls and young women in nigh
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year i can't. the kidnappers are from boko haram, which means western education is for g, for bidden. up to 27 t some 50 girls are said to have escaped. the others have been sold for as little as $12 aswives or slaves. for more, i am joined here by christina mbake. great of you to join us. it has gotten very little attention in the u.s. it's a horrifying story. 16 to 18-year-old girls taken from their school, being sold as slaves. the nigerian government has done very little? >> the response from the nigerian government and international community has been feeble. hence the social media activism. >> bach bach has been active since 2009 in a report to the house committee boko haram, they
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said they are a growing threat to the united states. their fighters have been responsible for kidnappings, of other girls in the past and other people and other attacks that have claimed at least 3,600 lives between 2010 and 2013. just this year, 1500 lives. they are growing in their aggression. what are they looking for? >> essentially, they seek to overthrow the nigerian administration and establish an islamic state governed by sharia law. >> it is divided between the christian south and a muslim and the president is christian. these muslim fighters are antigovernment? >> maybe antigovernment who would be in power, the sole purpose is to move forward their agenda. >> some escaped but what do we know about the girls who have not? >> okay. there is a lot of information failure at the moment. discrepancy over the numbers, discrepancies over the
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identities and their stories. what we do know is that there are over 200 girls missing, rumored to have been transported to chad and kamaroon, sold as brides as it were. >> brides, which i see you use your air quotes because you think it's rape? >> yes, a euphemism for rape. they are being sold into a life that they have not chosen. >> you are concerned that their parents aren't doing enough to help? >> no. not the parents. the parents are doing their best. it's actually the outrage and the parents going in to the forest to find themselv, themse that this case hasn't received the attention it deserves. it's the niger yam government and the international community that aren't saying enough. >> are the parents giving pictures of the girls, their stories? there is a stigma associated? >> a cultural stigma is attached to rape and kidnap in many parts of the world.
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i am sure if the parents knew it could accelerate the process, she would do something but the fault is on the nigerian government. >> do you think the protests we have been seeing will have the niger january government take more action? it has to be an international embarrassment? >> the hope is that the growing social media activism, the protest that occurred in lagos and the upcoming protests in new york, d.c. and london will create increasing pressure that forces them to act deliberately and coherently. >> best of luck with your efforts. these girls need whatever help they can get. so let's hope something happens to change them. thank you. good to have you with us? >> thank you for having me. >> let's see what's trending on the website. let's check back in with her mela? >> we know the midge mum wage is a hotly contested issue. on thursday, mayor ed -- see a little mayor ed murray announced
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unprecedented proposal that would phase in a $15 minimum wage. >> i want to get to 15. i want to change the lives of those people. i want to work on rebuilding the middle class. but i want to do it right. >> the plan would raise the city's minimum wage from $9.32 to $15 over the courts of three to seven years. how quickly employers have to comply would depend upon how many workers they have and the kind of benefits they offer. large businesses with more than 500 employees will have until 2017 if they don't give workers tips or healthcare coverage. if they do, they will have an additional year. businesses with fewer than 500 employees will have until either 2019 or 221 to reach the $15 mark, begin, depending upon the benefits they offer. some seattle business owners areges the mayor's plan. they say the hike would force them to cut hours for workers, raise prizes or both. at this point, the proposal is
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just that, a proposal. the city council still has to write the legislation and pass it but mayor murray is confident it will happen. he says 21 of the 24 council members support it. let us know if you think is the way to rebuild the middle class. you can share your thoughts with us on twitter at ajconsiderthis or on our facebook page. antonio, if this does become law, it would be groundbreaking. >> it would after the senate stopped debate on the federal minimum wage law. thank you, hermella. straight ahead, diving for answers, how clues to climate change could be found under the water. tell us about what a possible el nino this summer could bring us. why so many americans are living in a state of unhappiness as in the state where they live. later, a stunt so crazy, it's scary just to watch. we will be joined by a man who just jumped off of the tallest building in the world.
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the tornado that tore through walking arkansas was upgraded. scientists are worried what a possible el nino could bring us this summer. this as a debate continues to rage over climate change. it's part of a show "years of living dangerously," head to go christmas island south of hawaii. he joins dr. kim cobb studying the effects of climate change and sees the island, itself, being threatened. >> how long before the rest of the christmas island, the bits with the trees end up looking like this? >> well, i mean if you want my educated opinion about it.
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>> yeah. >> i would say about one meter in a 100 years. >> a lifetime with your grandkids? >> yeah, that most of christmas will be having serious problems with sea level rise. >> it's a disappearing country. >> hurts my heart, being in love with this place, it hurts my heart. >> dr. on robertr. doctor, the sunday at 10:00 p.m. eastern. good of you to be with us. there has been a lot of rebate talk about whether this el nino will hit united states. every few years, an unusual warm band of water spreads across the pacific ocean and disrupts weather patterns. the concern is that we are seeing more el ninos more frequently and climate change could make the disruptions e el ninos cause even more intense? >> yeah, el nino is the big, big
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factor in climate and in weather. it's so big, it's so powerful, it's generated by the biggest ocean on the planet. it disrupts weather throughout the globe. if climate change is going to make el nino more severe and frequent, that's something to worry about. according to dr. kim cobb, she is saying the evidence is pointing in that direction. >> one of the things you were looking at with dr. cobb is coral. what did you find when you went under water to look at the coral there on christmas island? >> el nino has impacted coral on christmas eye aisland and the er in periodic cycles. we can see some of the damaged coral but what dr. cobb does is to look at coral to see how it's
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grown really over a sentence tree. she can tell when it stops growing because of el ninos so she can tell you when the past el ninos were and how warm the temperature of the ocean was. so, she drills into coral to give us a window into the past as a way of predicting the future. >> as you know, there is a heated debate about whether all of this trouble is caused by man-made action. what do you say the skeptics who look at some of the research including the flattening of warming over the last 15 years and the recent growth in the arctic ice cap to diminish human impact on climate change? >> i think most people agree carbon dioxide levels are rising and mechanisms. we have known this for 100 years how tu works like a blanket to warm theeth. what people disagree a little bit on is what the impacts really are going to be and whether humans can adapt to it. now, i will at the you, if you go out in american and around
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the world, people will say something is changing. they don't necessarily know exactly what it is but it worries them. it scares them. i personally am pretty optimi optimistic. i can see a shift in the debate in this country and certainly around the world. i think now, what people are really worried about is: what can we do about it? but i am optimistic. i can feel this preponderance of the evidence u lum about to tip. >> now, talking about how peo e people. on one side people see powerful storms like sandy and say global warming is responsible. the other side then says, well, look at just how we had one of the coldest winters ever. >> yes. >> are you convinced human inthafr making o -- human behavior is making extremes happen more often? >> i am convinced climate change is real, mechanisms is explained. i am convinced climate change obviously has an impact on weather.
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what most of the debate is about and what that impact is going to be, sea level rise? absolutely. more storms in some places? yes. because it super charges the atmosphere and super charges the water. drought in a lot of places? yes. other things like snowfall patterns and things like that, a little more tricky. but, you know, 99 out of 100 scientists are essentially in agreement about the major facts. we have plenty of evidence to take precautionary action now. >> we had an interesting conversation the other day about how rising sea levels could affect conflicts in different places around the world and climate change in general could do that. now, in this show, years of living dangerously, it actually applies to you. are you almost died in taping one of the episodes? >> look, you know, let me be honest. like some of the corps respondents did some amazing things. harrison ford goes to indonesia. tom friedman crosses into syria. >> that's a dangerous place to be, and for him to risk, you know, to put himself at some risk in order to get that story.
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i under up going to the andes in chile almost up to 20,000 feet. it was the day of living dangerously because it was a very intense climb up to a very high altitude but it just tells you what scientists are putting themselves through to get us good data. >> it is a very interesting data that the show is giving us. the next episode of years of living dangerously premieres on show time sunday on 10:00 p.m. eastern and it is a pleasure to have you on the show. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, antonio. >> coming up: someone who jumped often of the tallest man-made structure in the world and lived to talk about it. first, do you hate the state where you live? the surprising number of americans who can't wait to move. we will explain next in our data dive.
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want to get out of the state where they live. people in illinois, half of the people would move if they could. it was taken before the hormh horrible winter they just had. it's not better in connecticut and maryland. almost half would leave those states. the sur atook six months and 600 representative interviews in every state. there is a long list of americans who would throw their stuff in a moving van asap if they could. nine states have 40% or more of their residents who want out. the northeast dominates the least happy claiming 5 the top 8 slots. >> that's interesting because several states in new england, maine, new hampshire are the least likely to wants to move. the lighter shade on the map shows states where people are most inclined to stay. hawaii is among the contented states. no surprise there. en so, 23% of people wants to leave the aloha state and montana and maine whether they will leave it another question.
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nevada tops the list of those most likely to move. the reason most often given is work-related. a lot move. 36 million did last year. >> that's less than.7% of us. but that's near the record low of 11.6% in 2011. the irony is that most who did move didn't leave the state they are in. nearly two-thirds of movers stayed in the same county. of the people who did shift counties, 2 in 5 relocated less than 50 miles away. coming up: what's it like to jump off of the world's tallest building? we will ask someone who just abodid it when he joins us next. has gone very far awry... >> there's huge pressure on the police to arrest and find somebody guilty >> i think the system is going to fail a lot of other people. >> you convicted the wrong person >> i find that extraordinarily disappointing... >> to keep me from going to jail, i needed to cooperate.
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imagine standing on a platform at the top of the world's highest building and then jumping off. >> that's exactly what two dare devil sky divers did in dubai in a bid to work the world record for base jumping. if you are afraid of heights, you may want to look away now. joirning us from paris france, via skype, one of the two professional sky divers we just saw break the world recordning via skype, one of the two professional sky divers we just saw break the world record. fred is the son of a parachutist and did his first jump at the age of 10. 15,000 jumps and won numerous
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competitions, fred good to have you with us in every possible way, given what you went through. congratulations to you and vince rafet, all the know the building from mission impossible with tom cruz, mission impossible iv. it was pretty scary there. he was dangling out the window. you dove off the top. how frightening is that moment when you step off? >> well, it's -- i mean, we are used to jumping anyway. so, it's not -- we are not so frightened. the real thing was that we were stand on the platform that was to put us away from the very top of the building and to be standing on this platform was like standing in the middle of the sky and it was such a great
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vision, you know, and we were super excited. we have been preparing for this project for a long time. it's been incredible. >> others jumped from lower on the tower. you had the special platform built that added more height and pushed you out from the tower a bit. i have to tell you, it almost seems scare year as i watched that to get up on a that platform than to actually jump from it. >> well, it's not so scarey because you go from the center of the tower. you climb in the middle and then once you are at the top, we were get ready everything on this platform and then it was quite weird to be, to go at the very end of the platform, you know, and before the jump because we had to spend quite some time there to wait for the helicopter and all of the cameramen to get ready. so it was quite intention, yeah. >> there was a cameraman who jumped with you. we see him in some of the video there. now, the birgkalifa is higher
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than the empire state building. what goes through your mind as you are preparing stojump 2,717 feet? >> well, it's a lot of concentration, you know. we -- i mean, we have been preparing this jump for a long time. so, we were quite trained and actually, when you -- when you jump off, it's a lot of your really excited, you know. it's a lot of happiness, you know, at the same time because we were finally, making this jump happen. and actually, we would like to thank one more time the sheik hamdan, the prince of dubai who helped us realize this project because they have been helping us a lot and for us to achieve this jump from this amazing building, it was just super
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exciting and super -- yeah, we were just all so happy, you know. so, it's a lot of concentration but at the same time, we were enjoying the moment a lot. >> i know that you love doing this. now, as i said, you trained very hard for this. you jumped out of helicopter did in dubai and before that, you had leaped off of mountains at similar heights to the kalifa tower in switzerland. as i have seen some of the video of that t seems almost those mountain jumps were almost more dangerous from jumping from the tower? >> well, it's different, you know, but we came to a special place where there is a ramp that actually is quite the same size and same kind as the ramp that was on top of the building so it is good enough to train the crew and the staff but the trajectory with the wind, this was very specific to that jump because there is no other mountain when you can do this. so that's why we did some jumps
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from the helicopter to train the trajectory movement and then, yeah, and then were all ready to fly around this tower and ready to have fun. >> is jumping from a higher altitude safe earn a lower altitude because it gives you more time for the parachute to slow you down? >> yeah. i mean depends upon what you do but when you jump really low, you also back jump parachute like a specific way to make it safe, you know. so, it's just different. but on they jump, it was more like the height of this building, i mean it's so high that you can actually create some trajectories and do some stuff, you know, and so that was the plan we did some wind shoots around the building, some head down free flight close to the building which was really fast. and there is no building in the world where you can do this kind
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of a technical maneuver actual actually. >> it was a maze to go see what you guys were doing. i hope you get well paid for this. >> you know, we work with due by and so it's for us it was a dream to -- a dream that came true, you know, because it was really, yeah, a big project for us. we really wanted to do this. >> how do you -- >> so happy. >> how do you top this? what's next? >> actually, we were working on the project next that's going to happen in the high mountains in europe and i can't tell you more about this because it's -- it will be coming soon, but yeah, we do not have any other plan to jump from building actually. but we spent more time in mountains. >> keep us posted. we would love to see what you do next. >> thank you. >> very frightening stuff but very exciting. pleasure to have you with us. thank you. >> thank you. >> the show may be over but the
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