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>> ray suarez hosts "inside story". weeknights at 11:30 eastern. only on al jazeera america. iraqi forces are gaining ground on i.s.i.l. but not without help from america. and with iraq going broke ag the oil business goes bust how much more blood and treasure can the u.s. provide. i talk to a man who had his own boots on the ground in iraq and personally trained its army and one of the most influential women attempting to shape the future of this region at war. >> we will hopefully beyond the military come up with a narrative, a world narrative
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against a bunch of bushers. >> i'm ali velshi and this is "real money". an iraqi grouped offensive against i.s.i.l. with help from the u.s. according to general john president obama's point man. america is back in iraq aiding troops in reclaiming the territory they lost. the president went to congress to get authorisation for the use of military force for power. iraq with u.s. help appears to be gearing up to retake the second-largest city mosul, which fell to i.s.i.l. last june. so far president obama insists no boots on the ground. there is at least one flaw in the president's strategy and
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that is iraq. last year iraqis threw down their weapons, and thread the i.s.i.l. onslaught. that is not happening. the iraqi government is facing a crisis. one of the biggest oil producers is broke because of tanking oil prices and the costly war against i.s.i.l. is making matters worse. imran khan is in baghdad. >> reporter: teachers protest in basra, holding placards saying they have not been paid in nearly a year. >> we have not received our salaries for nearly a month. no one from the government is getting back to us or giving us answers. we don't take days off. >> reporter: it's not just teachers in the south. across the country state workers have been protesting that they have not been paid. the prime minister is in crisis mode. haider al-abadi is promising relief is on its way, blaming falling oil prices for the problems. >> our budget is currently
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compressed. you know that our budget started with a draft law to have each oil barrel for $70. when the ministers council met to vote we were surprised by the drop of oil prices. so it couldn't build a budget on $70 per barrel. this caused a gap in the budget. >> reporter: economists are pessimistic saying iraq's economy is far too reliant on oil. >> translation: there's a lack of currency reserve and a lack of having multiple sources of economy. we hope there'll be other alternatives to get rid of the crisis. . >> reporter: those alternatives are discussed. taxing government employees is an idea. at the moment only highererbers are taxed. a state employees would have a percentage of salary put into a savings account. the government would use it to alleviate the price, with the extent that oil prices will rise
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and they can pay the money back. iraq is trying to diversify the economy. nowhere is it more apparent than here. this is the traders room. iraq stock exchange and they sell everything from cost drinks to carpet companies. here there are challenges. electricity shortages, and the threat of violence and actual violence shot the place down. that means there's a lack of foreign investment. >> iraq's war against i.s.i.l. is bleeding the country. it cost millions. that combined with a slump in oil prices threatened a crisis that could bring the country to a standstill. it can ill afford that not when i.s.i.l. protects such a threat in a letter to congress president obama mentions the possibility of limited ground action like the use of special forces to target i.s.i.l. leadership. the question is whether limited ground action is enough.
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if defeating i.s.i.l. is the end kneel retired army lieutenant cole net fought in iraq earning a bronze star and co-wrote the counterinsurgency field manual and trained the transition teams embedded with the iraqi unit. if anyone nose what iraq's army is capable of and what it will need from the united states it's him. he's the author of the book "knife fights a memoir of modern war in theory and practice", like it or not. they cannot defeat i.s.i.l. without america's help. >> 226 advisors in iraq. we need to multiply it by a factor of five. in anything like a reasonable period of time. in casualties and costs, the troubled iraqi government and forces will bear. >> the troubled iraqi government - we are not sure we are out of the woods on there
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being a troubled iraqi government. can i.s.i.l. be defeated with the i.s.i.l. forces in the lead. they can. with the proper support from the west and other countries, they have not received anything approaching that degree of support. the big problem i have with the president's policy is not the statement that i.s.i.l. is a threat to the west and western interests. it is he's correct. given the seriousness of the threat. he's not willing to devote sufficient resources to defeat the threat in a reasonable period of time. >> what is the way - how do we square the circle. we have a majority of american polled who do not support the need of american ground troops in iraq. part of that is the space between what the promise and reality is the idea that troops will be in the ground body bags coming back to america: you hold
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to the idea we'll be there in decades. >> i'm confident. we pulled it. we were right. snow iraq will be unsettled. al qaeda and iraq has a strong food cold. it's renamed the islamic state. we called them aqi. only the presence of american advisors are going to be able to defeat and ultimately destroy the islamic state. >> john you were involved in the training of the people who were embedded with the iraqi troops to train them. i understand it's a different group of people. given your evaluation of their abilities. one of the big failings of the american military in the last
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15 years of wore is that we have had properly prepared a quadraof advisors. these are good soldiers we have not created formed units of professional advisors. we need them in iraq we need them in afghanistan, in both countries for decades to come. this is a problem that we need to take seriously as an american military, and as a nation failing to do so as a big organizational failure in 15 years of war. how do you sell this politically. the bottom line is that it will be hard to convince americans that they are going back and americans will be in harm's way for what is happening around the world. it's not like the americans support the idea. what is the political cell. it's. >> it's not as if the americans support the idea. the feeling is not great.
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an all-vlty military. long-serving professionals give freedom of action. we need the president to souped a certain trumpet to stay as he was. to present a long-term strategic threat to citizens around the globe. it's worth a long-term investment. i believe that political leadership given the pressure of the force, the professionalism enabled the united states to create the commitment stabilizing the middle east and presenting death and destruction and harm to the citizen. >> it's a good argument. i hope someone picks up on that one. let me ask you about unintended consequence, it seems we know imran khan was reporting. with air support, ground action does work a little better. we see it in mosul diyala we see iraqi troops and the
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peshmerga pushing back i.s.i.l. what are the unintended consequences. what about the numbers that we are talking about, what do we have to look at in the region that we are not thinking about, causing a resurgence of i.s.i.l. including pakistan. we are in danger of taking the eye off the ball. it's another hot bed. >> that's a reason to maintain the appearance in afghanistan because pakistani issues will be with us for generations. the good news here is i.s.i.l. are jerks. they burnt on camera a devout muslim jordanian pilot and flamed public opinion. they are chipping away at support with respect the muslim world. i don't think the united states the west will have a problem getting moderate muslim support. the vast majority do not want i.s.i.l. to have control.
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don't want i.s.i.l. to have the possession of the territory it has in syria. i believe it's doable. we've committed american leadership that acknowledges the seriousness of the problem and bite the bullet and take the actions required to defeat it before more american citizens are kill. >> author of "knife fights", good to see you again as always. thank you. >> a pleasure i.s.i.l.'s not only a threat in iraq and syria, we have to keep an eye out for the rest of the neighbourhood too. >> we have to have brain cells on the pakistan problem. pakistan has nukes. this is not iran that may have nukes, pakistan has nukes. >> next we tell you how the nukes could fall into the wrong hands. tell me what's on your mind:
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president obama's request that congress authorise ground troops in the war against i.s.i.l. is winning praise from some critics. jane harman called on the president and congress to unite those. harman represented southern california in congress for nine terms, sitting on the house committee in armed services intelligence and left congress in 2011. she is the c.e.o. of the wilson center, a nonpartisan research group on global issues. i spoke with jane at the world economic forum in davos, and she explained why she supports the president's response to defeating i.s.i.l. >> i think president obama wisely avoided a full-blown largely resourced war on the
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ground. he tried to find a way to rule a coalition under the direction of retired general john alan. it will do a lot of things. it will do an air campaign that no one expects it to win. but it will degrade i.s.i.l. you made a point about who are we training. we have to be careful. i think of pad options is less bad. it's not, in my view the best tool we have to come up with a civilized world nara dive with a bump who are not muslims. they are people that kill more muslims than non-muslims, and i don't see anywhere in the koran
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or responsible version of islam that that is permissible. >> what role does bashar al-assad have in what happens in syria, does he get to be at the table to figure this out? >> our policies was that he has to go. we were at least a player in restructuring yemen, where the leader of yemen went and we helped to put in or they put in and elected a government that reflected the same constituencies, but without the leader who was toxic. i don't know what happens in syria. i read the newspapers and there's speculation that bashar al-assad stays. my personal view is a government without him would have wider public acceptance and send a message that people who gas their own people and have been engaged in a civil war where their own people are targets with barrel bombs and cruel
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weapons don't deserve to lead countries. >> you are vocal about the fact that while all of is going on and we battle fatigued. pakistan is a place to watch. i wrote an op-ed that says we need brain cells on the problem. pakistan has nukes, it's not iran that may have pakistan has nukes. >> it's not a failed state, and it's an ally. >> it's not a failed state, it's an alley. it has a weak civil government trying to become stronger and has a military with an intelligence service that no one would say is always on our side. it's not just because i watch homeland on tv. >> it's pressing. >> i have experience with the problem. >> it's not clear that the pakistani military is on the
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side of the pakistani go. . >> that's right. >> this is hard to handle. sometimes america does business with the i.s.i. >> absolutely. there are able leaders of the i.s. i. >> we have captured more terrorists in pakistan with their aid. >> the truth is that there are still terror groups in pakistan that are permitted to remain there by the pakistani government as an insurance policy against problems coming from the neighbourhood. and the trouble with that is those groups can eat their own. i worry a lot about the fact that six taliban commanders expressed frailty to i.s.i.l. and were reprimanded - whatever that may mean i wonder if they are still there - but the pakistani nuclear programme is located in multiple sites. it has been written in the public press, that some material was moved by have been on roads,
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and i'm worried that tactical nukes could get in the hned of the taliban and be transferred to i.s.i.l. which i think would have no compuges against using them. my two nightmares about i.s.i.l. in addition to whatever else they are doing, is it can be equipped by some forces from pakistan and can be equipped by the bomb-maker in yemen, who is still at large and enormously capable of developing weapons designed to evade airport security. >> speaking of danger zones, i have a story of a journalist who risked everything to take image like these in dangerous places. she survived two kidnappings and went back for more after becoming pregnant. the story you will have to hear to believe it. right after this.
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the subject of journalist this war zones is in the news for the wrong reasons i'm stalking about the controversy surrounding brian williams and what did not happen to him in iraq. there's no question about what photo journalist lindsay adario has been through. she's covered conflicts across the globe, was injured and captured by the taliban, all before they were kidnapped for a week in 2011. whilst captive at that time i spoke with her husband paul who is also a journalist. here is a small part of our
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conversation on tv which seems light hearted but was pretty meaning. when you hear from her next what will you say to her? >> i'm going to say, you know you've got to come back here because we've got to have kids. that's my - i've been trying to you know get her to you know to come back. >> that interview, and the happy story of the birth of paul and lindsay's son in 2011 are parts of her fascinating back "it's what i do - a photographer's life of love and war" in a conversation lindsay said watching my interview with her husband is hard for her to watch. >> i was in denial with the idea that it was time for me to have a baby. i was 37. we talked about it. i was procrastinating. it's a hard subject for a professional woman. >>y, and your story has been nonstop. you fell in love with the camera that your dad gave you. you sought out as many
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journalists do, whatever job you could get, however lowly. you wept on. you had your baby and still went on. >> sure. i'm trying to find a way to navigate the train. i don't know many female correspondents that have children. it's happening more. there's not many role models. i'm covering more. i was in afghanistan three times, iraq two times. i'm trying to stay away from the front line covering civilian stories, refugees - trying to mitigate the danger. >> if you didn't have to mitigate the danger are or transferrers the trem an would things be different the the idea of being a moth to a flame has gotten people killed. if i didn't have a son, the terrain changed. with i.s.i.s. it's a new game. there is no negotiating with i.s.i.s.
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journalists are not respected as neutral observers, we can't go into a war zone and assume we have protection because of our job. that is something that i used to fill and felt it in afghanistan, and in the early days in iraq. that has really changed. >> journalists used to - not with pride - but it was a safety vest with press on it. but nowadays they are saying don't show it. >> that's right. >> what about journalist going in trying to get the story, knowing they have to get it on spec many are not employed as you were not, you were freelancer selling material to others. and news organizations that know they are less risky than those that send in their own people. >> it's a hard subject. i've never been staff anywhere. i'm still freelance.
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i'm at a point where i have been through so much that i will only work for publications that i know have my back like the "new york times," national geographing times. i know they'll try to get me out or do what we can. there are publications that say you go in on your own and sell me a picture. it's ridiculous. news organizations that buy material need to up the price or need to give security. >> what kind of security can be offered. when you were kidnapped, you had two things going for you. you were kidnapped by a quazi government organization. i don't know how much that helps. you had the "new york times," and international media. did you know at the time people were working hard to get you out? >> no there was a moment we were in prison it was the first time we had a chance to speak to each other without someone around and we were saying "do
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you think anyone nose we were gone?" and this was day two or three. really i think it was tyler who said "of course we are with the "new york times", four "new york times" correspondents. i thought "god does anyone know we are gone." you are in a bubble. you know when you are held captive, you have no idea what is going on in the outside world. you can't make any assumptions. >> there were scary moments, you were paraded and they shot your driver. >> we don't know whether he was shot in crossfire, no one saw it. >> you were paraded through towns. >> it was the first three days. we were told to lie face-down on the ground. they'd put the guns to the head. then we decided they weren't going to execute us. they tied us up put us in vehicles and sat us on the fronted line while artillery,
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sniper fire everything rained arrived us. we were there for hours. the fighting was so close that at some point they shifted our position. then we spent a night in a car, we don't know where. they threatened us with executing us hitting my mail colleagues on the back of the head. i was groped so many times. we were thrown into the back of a pick-up truck. tied up blindfolded and driven for about six hours in the back of a pick-up truck. and every 45 minutes or so a mass of men would descend, beat us up and the driver would drive screaming "you dogs", horrible things like that. those moments are terrifying. if a mob decides to kill you, then you are dead. every single path of that kidd napping, we have no idea.
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>> what happens when you hear the stories. they know you are held you have some assistance of what they are going through. >> it's horrible. first of all i think "god we were lucky." really at the end of the day for all the horrible things that happened to us and tragically to our drive, what is happening now is different. people are beheaded on tv. videos are sent out across the world. to be a parent watching that video, to be a friend, a wife. it's a horrible thing. >> i'm happy to interview people some more than others. the day i interviewed your husband. we didn't know where you were or what shape you were in. we were hope. i'm glad it pained occupant. author of "what i do - a photographer's life of love and war." that's the show for today. i'm ali velshi thank you for joining us.
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