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speaking a language the world decision makers may understand and you can find out more about the environmental stories on the website. you can get the latest news as well and analysis on >> there is only one earth and mankind must do everything it can to protect it for itself and our future. tonight i'll take you to the front lines of the fight from the amazon fighting an oil giant in ecuador, and unconvinced about the science behind climate change. can saving the planet be both profitable to businesses on main streets and palatable to politicians on capitol hill?
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i'm ali velshi, a special report on our fragile planet begins right now. it is a fragile planet and that is our focus on al jazeera america. this entire month. and especially today on earth day. the only debate left is how severe the consequences will be. changes to the world's climate have resulted in accelerated ice melts and rising sea levels. the environmental protection agency says pollution emits greenhouse gases. the likely way of achieving that is for states to cap and trade schemes, cap and trade carbon credits in a regulated market
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that helps industry players offset the cost of reducing admission. but not everybody agrees, many deny that climate change requires urgent solution. there are things to keep in mind. the all powerful lobby group in washington insists that mandated kits in greenhouses, greenhouse gases, on average between now an 2030 because the cuts will be costly to industry, and they'll weaken economic growth. president obama disputes those figures. he points to the billions that americans save because of government mandated efficiency standard on things like cars and appliances.
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president obama focused on the dangers that climate change health. mike viqueria reports. >> it's not just the direct cost to the environment says president obama but climate change is a danger to human health. >> there are a whole host of public impacts that are going to hit home. >> mr. obama says climate change can contribute to asthma deaths. it is the latest in the campaign to build support for his environmental policies. a coordinated effort by a president who's invested political and financial capital in building a green legacy. there have been major initiatives. new restrictions on coal fired plant emissions, increased fuel efficiency standards for cars and trucks and tax credits for wind and energy. two sides to mr. obama, one that set lofty goals in a speech he
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made in 2013 at georgetown university. >> the courage is whether we will have the courage to act before it is too late. >> and another mr. obama who hasn't fulfilled the promise. >> opening up new lands for leasing and encouraging more fossil fuel exports. e-has been a real disappointment actually. we would have liked to have seen more considering his great rhetoric. >> siting natural gas and for the first time increases in crude oil exports, in response to the citiics the white house says the president's record speaks for itself. >> has the president been a dream president, has he done all he can to address climate change? >> i think that's an indication of the president's conviction on this issue but also why the president is going to go down in history as the greenest president we've ever had. >> but new administration rules on
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fracking, expanding the exploration and production of fossil fuels like oil and natural gas, american manufacturers say the spate of new rules makes it hard tore compete. >> imposing very, very large costs with correspondingly not so large benefits. and the balance is off and it's making it harder for us to do our job to compete in the international stage. >> not all environmentalists are down on mr. obama. some are realists. >> we do believe that oil and gas drilling is not going to stop today or tomorrow, and something done responsibly, they need standards to make sure everyone is playing by the same set of rules. >> reporter: others see an administration that began with promise but the results have been a mixed bag. >> some really great things but then on the other hand not only is it not nearly enough it's
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also he's done some really bad things for the environment as well. >> mike viqueria joins us now. mike president obama came into office the first time and the second time in large part with the support of those who wanted to see real government action on climate change. he seemed relatively committed to this thing but he's been stymied along the way. >> reporter: a new gallup poll of those who doubt they will see the effects of climate change in their lifetime. that 37% is disproportionately represented in congress. so yes the president has had a difficult time getting through the agenda items at the top of his list. ali as you mentioned he made promises in 2008 resolving around
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of revolvingaround the cap and trade agreements, there have been difficulties, there are many who are still disappointed, they cite the president's rules on fracking, something they are four square against, they are very disappointed that they didn't come down harder but in a sense the president can't win because of course the business community very much against what he wants to do as they were against the coal fired power plant emissions restrictions further restrictions that the epa imposed about a year ago at the beginning of last june. what is the president trying to do in the face of these things? a number of things ali, a number of things into the logic of the environmental movement and trying to sway public opinion in that way. in the everglades, talking about not only climate change but the threat to the everyday lives of south
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floridans, 7 million people dependent on the everglades or the their drinking waters, an $80 billion tourist economy at risk if climate change continues apace. the president working on a number of fronts to try to change the argument and to burnish his legacy, they say he's he's the greenest president in history. >> the economic argument may end up winning in the end. mike viqueria always good to see you, thank you my friend, mike viqueria in washington. coming up david versus goliath. a number of ecuador ians, and will they find justice in a new york courtroom? that story in two minutes.
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>> monday on "techknow". >> we should not be having earthquakes in texas. >> the true cost of energy hits home. >> my yard is gone. >> are we destroying our way of life? >> contaminated water from the fracking activities come here. >> they stick it into the core of the earth. >> but this cutting-edge technology could be the answer. >> the further of fracking is about the water. >> protecting the planet saving lives. >> how do you convince a big oil company to use this? >> "techknow". monday, 6:30 eastern. only on al jazeera america. >> part of al jazeera america's >> special month long evironmental focus fragile planet
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>> for more than two decades the oil giant chevron and ecuador ecuadorians have been locked in a fight over who controls the vast swath of the amazon. the ecuadorians took the first round.
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that was in a court in ecuador. in 2013 a federal court in new york ruled that the case was unenforceable in the united states because it was the result of fraud by one of the ecuadorians. in the meantime, the indigenous ecuadorians are still waiting for justice. paul beban has the report. >> nice job, dave. >> who picked the spot renee? >> the video purports to show chevron employees and consultants finding oil and laughing about it. at cites the sites the energy giant claims were cleaned up years ago. amazon watch got from a whistle blower inside chevron. >> these videos are essentially
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the smoking gun evidence that undermines chevron's entire defense in ecuador. they show chevron's own employees admitting that toxic waste still exists in sites they swore they cleaned up. >> leave it, because i'm going to take a picture guys. >> reporter: chevron told al jazeera america the clips were out of context. used to identify the perimeters of pits at oil field sites which is standard practice, nothing secret about this process. the videos have come to light just as this long running case is back in court yet again. from 1964 to 1992 texas texaco explored and drilled for oil in ecuador. accused of spilling thousands of barrels of oil and billions of
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gallons of toxic waste. into the rain forest. officials called the situation a rain forest chernobyl. >> translator: for us the amazon is our supermarket. this lagoon is where we find our food, the jungle is our pharmacy pharmacy. now with the pollution, all is gone. >> i'm sick my family is sick my bones ache and my sons are sons are ill. >> reporter: all along chevron has claimed that the agreement absolved chevron of all responsibility. chevron's position is summed up by a statement, we're going to fight this until hell freezes
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over and then we'll fight it in the ice. but the ecuadorians won a judgment in local court. and there were charges against the lawyer who represented them of fraud. >> last march chevron executive directorred huge victory blocking the plaintiffs from using u.s. courts to collect the judgment. >> the ruling against you was the verdict you presented and won was procured by fraud. >> that was a ruling by a united states trial judge who frankly we frankly just with his decision. he ran a completely flawed proceeding from beginning to end. he would not let us put in
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contamination. there is 105 scientific reports that were relied on by ecuador's courts, in ecuador where chevron wanted the trial held. >> chevron calls you a crook and they won a judgment against you. >> first of all i worked hard for my clients and i run a ethical lawsuit, chevron has concocted a case so they could taint what they got from ecuador. >> chef chevron's lawyer wouldn't talk to us. >> very good nice try. >> the appeal could last for months leaving the people of the rain forest still waiting for justice. >> ted olson former solicitor general of the united states. this is back in court, now what?
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>> absolutely. this is almost a sheik shakespearian saga. what happens is if this appeal goes there and danziger wins it's going to go after them in brazil, argentina and canada those cases are moving forward this is proceeding on multiple stages around the world. >> this character danzig iger, what is he about? >> he is a crusader, he wants to win, this is a collaboration class action case. >> thanks lot for doing this for us. coming up i'm going to talk to a former republican congressman. i'll
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ask him how he plans to have other republicans back a publ >> monday. >> it's crazy money that you can make here. >> behind america's oil boom. >> it's a ticking time bomb. >> uncovering shocking working conditions. >> do you know what chemicals have been in that tank? >> and the deadly human cost. >> my big brother didn't wake up the next day. >> "faultlines". al jazeera america's hard-hitting... >> today they will be arrested. >> ground-breaking... >> they're firing canisters of gas at us. >> emmy award-winning investigative series. "faultlines": death on the bakken shale. monday, 10:00 eastern. only on al jazeera america. >> part of al jazeera america's >> special month long evironmental focus fragile planet
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>> republican senator and presidential candidate ted cruz rejects the scientific consensus that world temperatures are getting warmer and that human activity is to blame. as he told nbc late night host seth meyers. >> they have got a problem because the scientific data doesn't back them up. and in the last 17 years, there has been zero warming, none whatsoever, you wonder why it used
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to be called negotiable warming, now it's climate change but the satellite evidence says it's not. >> bob england, former republican congressman from south carolina. earning a reputation as a diehard conservative but in 2010 engliss lost his seat to a candidate backed by the tea party, support for a carbon tax. now outer of office bob engliss is trying to recruit more conservatives to the climate change cause, as george mason university joins me from washington. you have not always been as certain as you are today about why climate change is occurring. tell me about your own evolution. >> for my first six years in congress i said climate change was hooey, he was for it and i was against it.
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so then i was out six years doing commercial real estate law again, ran again in '04. my son came to me and said dad i'll vote for you, he was voting for the first time in 2004, i'll vote for you but you're going to clean up your act on the environment. his four sisters and his mother agreed. i had an important constituency. step two was going to the antarctic and seeing the ice drillings and being inspired by a scientist to love god and love people, by making conservation changes now. >> let me ask you about the concept, before you get to this part your solutions and i want to talk about it, the idea of having republican or confident candidates getting conservative candidates, isn't
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that a recipe for candidates who do well denying climate change or those who don't want to talk about it? >> i guess i'm living proof in that, having lost in a republican primary. i think that's the great recession and i think that some of that style is going to look o so very great recession here in this next cycle the 2016 cycle. there will be a lot more millennials voting and a lot more independents voting. they're more likely to accept the findings. the same old grumpy old party from the great recession, i don't think it's going to play too well in 2016. you have got to be about the grand opportunity party for my position to succeed. >> we showed ted cruz but ted cruz has been a bit of a poster change. do you think this is going to
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become an issue in the primaries or a candidate who is where most of the people are on this issue? >> i think we are going to see conservatives step forward in the presidential race to say of course the science is real and of course free enterprise can solve this challenge like it solved other challenges. i would expect lindsay graham to speak about that, rand pall, perhaps jeb bush. i'm encouraged i think some of these candidates will break out of that great recession ain't it so bad affect and move on to the new style of the '63 style which is talk about solutions. >> let's do that. you brought us right to that point. you support a carbon tax that would be revenue neutral. this is an idea you put forward
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in a different form in a 2009 bill that went nowhere and by the way, preceded your defeat. understanding how we don't all live in this world of understanding how carbon tamps work, explain to my viewers how you think it will work and how it stands a prayer of happening. >> basically what it happens is it's a way of attaching the hidden cost to the fossil fuels. right now fossil fuels are burned, soot gok into the air, it ends up in the lungs and we pay for it and there's climb cost that are attached to it. those costs are not attached to the product. if they were through a carbon tax then weet innovate but weed innovate. it's very important for me, that that be paired with a dollar for dollar reduction in another tax. so it could grow the government,
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if it would grow government i wouldn't be for it. if it's paired with another tax somewhere else, if it's a $25 per ton price on carbon dioxide, that would make your gasoline go up by 25 cents per gallon and your electricity go up one to two cents in kilowatt-hour. it does make it so then the challenger fuels can take out some of the incumbent fuels. the incumbent fuels are not accountable for their emissions. >> how do you get the grover norquists of the world, he opposes any type of carbon tax idea because he says quote any new taxes are likely to become add ons not replacement. if you are getting this money
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from carbon give the back to the people somewhere else. >> i understand grover norquist's point. make it in the same bill paired with this dollar for dollar reduction in other taxes. if it's not in the bill don't vote for it. it's not a truth-me situation, it's in the bill or it's not. that's how i would answer grover norquist make sure it's revenue neutral. >> it's good you have got a solution there. let's talk about china, other big emitter. india's got remarkable energy needs it's got to fulfill and many of them involve burning of coal. how do you create a carbon tax on american companies this doesn't further disadvantage american manufacturing against other nations? >> the second crucial question that's it.
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the first one was about making sure it's revenue neutral, we don't want to increase the size of government. and the second we've got to have china and other trading partners in on the deal. to make them in, make it a border adjustable tax. they are shipping in flat steel they pay a tax based on the carbon content of that steel. if it's on the wto, they'll challenge it but we should be able to fight that, they would impose that tax within china. if they didn't they would be paying taxes upon entry to the united states to washington, that they could be collecting in beijing, very quickly they find out it's in their interest and if they follow the rest of the
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world will follow also. we've got a worldwide cost of energy where all the costs are in hidden costs, what economists call negative externalities. >> bob engliss, are they prepared to listen to this argument at all. >> what they need to hear from the constituents, they need to know there's a constituency out there. i started on this path because of my son and his four sisters and plotting. we've got to see there's a constituency of people who understand the economics here that understand that what we have is a problem of economics that has an environmental consequence and we, the people who believe in free enterprise should be able to fix that problem of economics. >> from your lips to the environment's ears. i love it bob engliss, executive
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director of the energy and enterprise initiative at george washington university. that's it, for today, i'm ali velshi, thank you for joining us. . >> hello, i'm ray suarez, patients at a los angeles hospital - no telling how many - were exposed to a super-bug, and north carolina has confirmed a dozen cases of carbon fm resistant entero bacteria, a bacterium resistant to standard drugs. >> that didn't just make people sick, it may have killed them. it's called cre and reported to be in all but three u.s. states and is the latest in a