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they are cops for hire, complete with a badge, gun and patrol car. >> there's only so many police officers in the city. if they want constant preps they'll have to take the responsibility op them. >> they'll have to pay for it. >> correct. >> how public police officers working private security is a taxpayer. what is and what isn't in the published diary giving the world an inside look at guantanamo bay. why the book may be out, but president obama is fighting to
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keep the author in the controversial prison. i'm ali velshi, our special coverage starts right now. >> the state of texas executed an innocent man. >> how to make good decisions under stressful circumstances. o anyone anywhere in the country, business, private citizens, can higher a cop. i'm talking about real cops in full uniform. gun, cars and all. by the middle of last decade. 98% of police departments serving communities of 10,000 or more were contracting out police personnel for off-duty work. we called major police departments and asked what personnel could earn doing cop
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for fireasignments. newark new jersey police command the highest rate before fees paid to the police department. las vegas gets $67, pittsburgh $50. new orleans 42. salt lake city, $32. detroit police commanded the lowest cop for hire rates at $25 per hour. the extra pay can supplement winter games that police men and women make that averages about $28 an hour. police departments insist that this so-called secondary police work is a good way to get more cops out on the street without dipping into city budgets or taxpayer funds. critics point to abuses in places like pittsburgh that ultimately cost the police chief his job. i'll have more on that. and they point to new orleans,
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triggering a federal investigation and mandating reform. there's no law regulating cop for hire practices. states leave it up to local police to do what they want. paul beban has our report much >> reporter: it is a typical day in downtown salt lake city for chief executive fred ross. he's patrolling one of the most dangerous parts of the city. elsewhere. >> reporter: it's a neighbourhood in transition. new construction and businesses moving into an areaway homeless problem. what kind of crime do you see, drug crime, petty theft? >> a lot of drugs, assaults. >> the answer for many businesses - hire off duty police officers, complete with gun, fire. >> there's only so many police officers in the city. if they want the perhaps,
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they'll have to take that responsibility on. whether it's an off-duty officer or security. more often than not they go with the police. >> reporter: for $30 this local business spy hop hires a police officer to stand guard, complete with squad car. >> you stayeded to have an off duty police officer versus, say, why? >> they need to act. immediately. >> private security firms and press work together. some agencies, including bedroom security take issue with the business. >> i want to maintain a good relationship. they are great partners. the fact is they are competitors.
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they shouldn't be. >> does the salt lake city have an unfair advantage washing against you. >> i think so. there's a lot of customers. they are grabbing the business, it's not their business. they are in law enforcement not private security. >> the salt lake police chief said it's against policy for officers to solicit work. do you have problems. >> no. i had the other day people said "this is what" - i said you tell me who the officers are, and other. >> interestingly, i have yet to receive names. >> some companies said you are competing and this is a security company that is nestled within a public government entitly. relationship. >> we are not in the business of
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doing private security, wr in the business of doing law enforcement. it's a fine line. one that we are concerned about. you are hiring a police officer to take actions based on the colour of the authority, based on the law. not "do you have ticket to the event tonight?", that should not be law enforcement. >> reporter: the salt lake p.d. runs a brisk business, and charges a $6 equipment fee for every shiftwork, a minimum of 4 hours per shift. the city cleared $85,000 on the fee. 56,000 hours were worked off duty by police. at $30 an hour, they made almost $1.7 million working off duty. many countries have a limit on off-duty hours an officer can walk. salt lake city does not.
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>> there's a temptation to work as much part time work as you can handle. how do you balance it with online duty. >> we attract many hours, especially if it's an issue. that's why we had the oversight we do in the police department. >> when we ask for the numbers worked, the department could not tell us. why? officers are paid by the employer. if there was a major issue. he could do an audit. that said, there's no oversight. >> it can raise concerns. there's documented cases in pittsburgh, new orleans, where the ability for police officers to refuse from private employers, can create the opportunity for core ups. law enforcement says there's a lot of advantages versus a security guard.
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a cop in uniform can make arrests and act hike a cop, providing added deterrent. there's a question, liability. if an officer engages in a use of force. that can person can sue the officer, and under a couple of doctrine, they can sue the police department and the city that employed that officer. taxpayers are on the hook for costs associated. >> police department policies vary on how they handle responsibility. newark requires a vendor to have a million dollars, and it's not called work. alabama passed a code recommending each have $100,000.
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salt lake city handles its liability like many countries, asking vendors to sign a policy making them liable up to a point. they take on the workers comp and everything. there is liability that comes with employment. the employer takes on workers comp and other issues. >> when they take police action. that's my responsibility, whether onduey, oouf duty. >> -- onduty, off-duty. >> there's a line crossed from being a private employee, to being a full-time officer. >> it can be. it's situational, and depend on the circumstances for each individual situation. >> there are hundreds of lawsuits attempting to determine when that line is crossed. that's a reason that hooeber city wrote a roddickal policy on -- radical policy
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officers. >> they cannot wear a uniform or badge. vehicles. >> reporter: the strict policy implications. >> there was a bit of resentment. jim moore is a sergeant for investigations and opens his own private security company on the side. under the policy officer are not allowed to act like police officers while working as security officers. >> if you are off duty and witness a criminal act, you are to call and have an onduty officer handle that. >> harry rose is a former police officer who run said security agency pride investigation. he instigated the reform not only because of liability, but he was losing business to the police department. >> no one stopping to realise - the public bought that cipt.
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it's public money that paid for it. he worked on regslation to create transparency with off-duty police work. bank. >> it concerns me when i hear of one agency in utah, taking in millions of dollars in security work, and the some people working it are off-duty officers. chief burbank is that person. his agency is doing it. >> congratulations. bur bank sees nothing wrong with his policies on moonlying of course, generally on par with the rest of the country. >> is there anything you'd like fixed about the system? >> to be honest with you, i'd do away with part time working hire more police officers, pay them better so they don't have to work part time. >> paul beban joins me. a couple of things stood out. the first is chief burbank and
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the hours they work. you were not able to get confirmation of how much the police officers work. the issue to me or viewers are my police officers making so much on the side are they less effective as police officers because they are tired. >> they are trusting the officers to do the right thing. my guys train and know their limits. i'm not goik to put limits on one officer. it may not be right for someone else. if my guy can handle 30 hours a week, that's fine. they'll get on it if they see a problem in plaintiff. seems there's wiggle room and lack of oversight. >> ut interviewed from university of illinois, who spoke about something we don't think about. corruption, the idea if you can be paid by an outside group, how far can it go. could you be paid by someone that has law enforcement look
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the other way. >> that's ab excellent question. they have a list of employers. they don't know how much on a day-to-day basis or how many hours they work. if there's room, can someone be drawn away by doing this work. >> thank you so much. what happens when cops working private security goes very, very wrong? police chiefs are fired and bills. the inside story from a man that uncovered a costly case in pittsburgh. we return in 2 minutes. >> next. >> we're pioneers. >> the head of america's space agency charles bolden. >> we take science fiction and turn it into science fact. >> addressing nasa's critics. >> we are the best nation in the world when it comes to exploration. >> and mankind's next giant leap. >> we can become multi-planet species. >> every sunday night... >> i lived that character.
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[ ♪♪ ] welcome back to our special coverage of cops for hire. what happens when off duty police for hire operations go wrong, and how much can it cost taxpayers, it happened in pittsburgh. in 2013, the local paper broke a story that the police chief had a security company on the side employing other officers. the chief was forced to resign, and it opened a pannedora's box. steven is a criminal defense lawyer and consultant in pittsburgh. he was asked by the mayor to lead the independent review of the police department's off-duty policies. good to see you. thank you for joining us. >> it's my pleasure.
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>> the former police chief nate harper's actions including conflict of interest. >> the story was unfolding. a local newspaper in 2013 broke a story that the chief of police owned a security company. the belief was he collaborated with a few officers and provided consulting and security services to private industry around the city of pittsburgh and throughout the region. at the time, as the story unfolded, a number of investigations commenced, the federal bureau of investigation got involved. it was determinate that more was at play, the chief was misdirecting funds for secondary deployment detail miz directing fund for secondary employment
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detail. >> the city - after work details, they were largely police details, paid by private industry and employers. and the funds should go into a government coffer. in the city of pittsburgh, the chief directed a programme where off-duty officers were using pittsburgh police equipment. uniforms, insignia, badges, radios and vehicles in providing security. there was a charge. that was passed on to the contracting company, and at a rate of $4 per officer per hour. it was collecting a fee. those fees, the fbi determines, police. >> the important thing is someone may watch the show saying what has this got to do with me, i don't live in pittsburgh or salt lake city.
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pittsburgh paid $215,000 in legal settlements because of off-duty details. in 2011, the city spend a lot of money on workers comp, police making claims during off duty work. how often are taxpayers hit? >> you are right, the liability exposure is enormous. anything from injury to workers comp claims. civil right and judgments that follow can be devastating to the tax payers. it's not limit to pittsburgh, it's just one of many places that use the programmes. there has been a landmark case prior to pittsburgh featured in my report, that related to an investigation in the city of new orleans, where the justice department came in, and by
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concept took over the provisions to ensure they were done properly. any time it was used, and tax payer funds were involved. as government, we have to plan accordingly policies. >> let me be clear on this. we called the department and asked for someone high up in the show. they declined. what were the recommendations for reform, and has the city adopted them. >> they have. at the time the mayor tagged me for the project. i looked into policies relating to moonlighting. the ability for moon lighters to city. they were implemented. the new major, elected in 2013, picked up the mantle and installed a chief of police.
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they were working with the council to ensure an appropriate measure, detail specific, or overtime employment that you referenced earlier. the problem is boning addressed. hopefully make the the type of reforms and restoring confidence, and ensure issues of liability were resolved in favour of the tax pair. >> steven, the independent reviewer of the pittsburgh police. next, a harsh look at life in guantanamo bay prison. a book by a man that fought for al qaeda, but turned his back on extremism 20 years ago. what he's writing and why president obama wants him to
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[ ♪♪ ] the military prison at guantanamo bay cuba, to this day it stands as a symbol of the divide in america over how the u.s. chooses to fight terrorism. the u.s. holds 122 me at guantanamo bay. one of those inmates admits to being a member of al qaeda in the early 1990s, back when the group was focused on fighting communists in afghanistan. what happens next is where it's murphy. he claims he left afghanistan and al qaeda behind. american authorities were not sure. shortly after 9/11 he was picked
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up and sent to guantanamo, despite raped denials that he remained a member of al qaeda. what is not in dispute is the role in giving the world a detailed look at life inside guantanamo, with the recent publication of his book. in the book he describes being deprived of sleep. or chained to the floor. he was force-fed sea water, sexually molested, subject to a mock execution and beaten. he began to write the book in survive. it took years to get it published. he remains at guantanamo, despite on order he's released in 2010. that's because the president obama regulation appears to run opposite to elections in guantanamo bay. >> it is something that inspires
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jihadists and extremists, the fact that folks are held. it's contrary to our values. >> nancy holleneder got back from guantanamo, and is an attorney. thank you for joining me. when you hear the comments from president obama and his commitment to shut down guantanamo bay. why then did the obama administration appeal a judge's ruling to release this man in 2010? >> i don't know why the obama administration defense department appealed that, except that if they would stop appealing it and fighting the habeas, he could be released. the judge that ordered him released was the first neutral person that looked at the evidence and said that there wasn't any, and mohammed is an injured
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man, he should never be in guantanamo. he admits to being or having been a member of al qaeda. >> he doesn't join al qaeda, he went to a camp run by al qaeda. the judge found in 2010 that that was not the same as the al qaeda that came to attack us in 9/11 and has nothing to do with anything. it's not a reason for him to be in guantanamo. >> he has written is book, and he had a regular difficulty in doing it. he was able to write the book in return for cooperation. what sort of cooperation that? >> they didn't write the book in return for cooperation, he wrote the book after they stopped torturing him. they stopped torturing him when they realised all he was doing was answering yes to get him to
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stop the torture. then he was writing letters. that's how it started. >> i want to show the viewers some pages. 302, and 303. if it looks unusual. it's because it's entirely redacted. the next couple of pages the same thing. in context, i belief these pages describe his interrogations, is that correct? >> i can't speak to what is redacted, obviously, but i can tell you the government released it with 2500 book. >> there's enough that is not redacted to show what it felt like for him to be tortured and describing the people he met, the people he trusted, that were good to him. it's not an angry book.
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he wants to go home. you heard president obama talking about the fact keeping the men in guantanamo bay, feed into some of the hatred and the building of terrorism around the world. what is he going to do after guantanamo if he gets out. >> if he gets out, and i am going to get him out. he'll go to work. he has a degree in electrical engineering. he wants to go work, programme applications for smartphones and apple and things like that. he wants to support his large family and nieces and nephews. he is sending one nephew to college through the money received and wants to start an application, give to his country and start his life, that we have taken from him.
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>> lead coups, the author of "guantanamo diary", that is our show for today. i'm ali velshi. thank you for joining us. >> this week on "talk to al jazeera" nasa administrator charles bolden. >> getting to space is very difficult. getting to mars is very, very, very difficult. >> he's been aboard the space shuttle four times. his missions included helping deploy the hubble space telescope and flying the first joint us/russia mission. >> i think we've always gotten along with everyone "off the planet" better than we have "on it" for one simple reason, we're mission focused. >> n