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tv   The Stream 2018 Ep 38  Al Jazeera  March 7, 2018 5:32pm-6:00pm +03

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may says she will be raising her worries about human rights in saudi arabia when she meets the crown prince mohammed bin selma has been meeting the queen at buckingham palace at the start of the u.k. tool south korea's president says it's too early to be optimistic about progress with the north in jean says he has no plans to ease sanctions against pyongyang out of the historic summit with leader kim jong il and planned for next month. voters in sierra leone are choosing a new president and his bike obama stepping down after ten years stop violence between buddhists in the muslim minority and other aid to donald trump has quit chief economic advisor gary cohen was a critic of the president's controversial tariffs on steel imports he is the latest in a series of high profile resignation news from the white house. up next it's the stream top of the hour come all is here with the news grid i'll see you tomorrow but by. doing this the benefits are so damn people so bad they see the importance of the
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outcry. witness documentaries that open your eyes at this time on al-jazeera. hi emily and you're in the stream today a check in on three stories around them that caught our eye essential win for public school teachers in the u.s. state of west virginia after a nine day strike that kept students out of the classroom and educators gathered at the state capital then to south africa what impact will a controversial proposal for land expropriation have but first to the border between ireland and northern ireland an issue that continues to be challenging in brock's that negotiations. i'm calling more and i mean the job last year of the stream i made the charge started in the school to break just the youth consider the implications on the good friday agreement and the
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invisible border currency shared between northern ireland and the republic now in a little over a year's time the island of ireland is said to be split into either you and non u.-turn tories and yes the population here the north and south fears to get an answer to the fundamental question or not how do we avoid returning to the border and the potential civil unrest comes along side of it in such a situation. the five hundred kilometer border between ireland and northern ireland is possibly one of the biggest obstacles in britain's departure from the e.u. and there is no agreed plan of what it will look like after may twenty twenty british prime minister theresa may has made several speeches in the past week outlining her vision for the u.k.'s future economic relationship with the e.u. and its exit strategy she's rolled out the return to physical infrastructure on the
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border between northern ireland and the republic but provided few details she is also pushing for a free trade deal that many lawmakers have. sized here to help us talk about this peter gaytan an irish investigative journalist and writer welcome to the stream peter i want to start with a comment from a member of our community via twitter this is ian who says he's in northern ireland and says that our economy and infrastructure is heavily subsidized by the e.u. also our agriculture which is deeply entwined with ireland's in production and process no one wants a hard border which would cost billions and i reckon adversely affect funding and more important areas like health and education so peter what could the possible return of a hard order mean for people on either side of it. well in some respects there's never been enough hard border in ireland there was up until about twenty five years ago customs checks and security points along the border and as you mention the
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border is about five a common as long as two hundred fifty year old crossings up until around twenty five years ago only about twenty five of those roper any one time and i think the big concern around the border now is we could go back to the sort of situation where you have to have cost some checks you might have to physical infrastructure at the border which is something no doesn't exist at the moment if you went to the irish border now at the moment you wouldn't even know where you where the border started or where it ended all from how people tell where they are is using their mobile phones where did it what what twin type what tired of paying off was it in the republicans in order to undo it or a great big thing is rolled songs we use miles in. kilometers of a record quarter wise you wouldn't be able to tell the difference so any change of the border it's all locks you will be seen is a big change for the people who live in the community in the area. especially because so many people are saying that the reason that the border is soft as it is today is of course because of the good friday agreement which which ended tensions
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known as the troubles for so many years so you have people saying the potential beginning of a hard border would significantly change things and could raise tensions to you think that there's any truth to that. i think we do some there is some concerns around this because when the reasons that they were able to get rid of the border really was because bullshit united kingdom and ireland join the european union the same time we joined in one thousand seventy three are along side the british and that meant in the early ninety's when we we both joined the european exchange rate mechanism we are calling these became even closer together that meant that all physical checks were able to go away because we're full partners think american customs you know what's going to happen as of march of next year the way things are going is that the united kingdom are going to lead the coast in june and think the market the republic of ireland will stay in it that will mean that they will have to be some sort of a customs presence and the concern i think for a lot of people is that the very fact of having something on the border could
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become something that you know for distant republican people who opposed the peace process it could become a tartars the head of the police service of northern ireland has mentioned this i think there was a concern in border communities that anything that that changes the dynamic in these communities where was the successes of the peace process has been the border it's been this previously when when i was going up there to border we would have huge tales box trying to cross the border you could be a couple of hours only going a few miles because of the nature of us they're all totally disappeared and the concerns of anything to change that dynamic it might necessarily lead to violence it might necessarily need to to something very quickly but it will undermine this kind of cold relationship that has existed on the island of ireland and especially on the border which during the troubles of her two year long basically civil war in which more than three thousand people died the border was a very fractious place right now to borders a very commonplace and i think the concern is for people is that anything that changes the border can only have a negative impact i think people can see what could a positive impact of
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a change of already so peter you may have answered just answer this question we got be a twitter this is stephen ash he says as for bracks it there are people talking up to a threat to the peace process because of it the only threat to peace. violent so my question to those talking it up is who is it that is going to return to violence i believe they're using that threat as a weapon in their negotiations do you think that this is a weapon or being used to scare people to a fear mongering tactic i think sometimes a conversation on the good part agreement hasn't always been helpful i think some people across the british level are talking about the good friday agreement they're opposed to practice and they're using the good friday agreement as a reason to oppose breakfast and i can understand why they do it that's not always been helpful i think i think sometimes it's because it's politicized norden or in a place like the good friday agreement on again this idea that there will be you know that people are saying oh it will lead to violence and we so this is some to be worked out but at the same time i think it is important to understand how
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important this open border is symbolically you know the good friday agreement is all about recognizing the right of people and you know in northern ireland to be irish british or to be baulked one part of being irish for all these people is that they can travel easily with no destruction across the island of ireland right the fact that i live in ordinarily and they can feel irish means they can travel across the border into a public road without any any problem at all and i think the fear for a lot of people including for the police is that any change this border sets of any kind of you know introduction of anything it looks like a checkpoint it pretty become a target and we know in the history ordinarily or here again i i hear that point thank you for making it i think you answered the first since tweet pretty eloquently there so we have to leave it there for now we know this is a big issue with our community though so we want you to keep those tweets coming and continue to follow along with this issue and now to the u.s. state of west virginia our colleagues at eighty plus explain what's been going on.
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thank. you everybody thank. you thank you. thank you. thank you we. want to say west virginia lawmakers said that a deal has been a reach to deliver that five percent pay raise to teachers and all state employees and the governor tweeted about it so what's next for teachers of the state with us is rebecca dime in a second grade teacher at kellogg elementary school in huntington west virginia but you just saw in that a.j. plus piece welcome to the stream right back i pulled up here on my laptop with
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a very tweet from governor jim justice who writes i'm very pleased to announce a five percent raise for teachers and all state employees it's time we invest in education and help our teachers and our kids go back to the classroom with pride rebecca first of all i would say congratulations are in order for you have been rallying at the state capitol for days with thousands of other teachers what was your reaction to this tweet into the news hours ago that a deal had been reached. well my first thought was ok is this real is it really going to happen this week or last tuesday. so you know once we found out. celebration. you're not the only one this is actually stewart who says teachers are a static though we're hesitant to celebrate until the legislation passes this is a big story for education and what's for dinner but it's also
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a victory for the people up west virginia we have a long history of standing up for labor rights so what is next we know that there is supposed to be. a signing ceremony later today on tuesday what happens next for you. well they're supposed to say. just. what the governor of west virginia. three houses already passed it the senate has already passed is that's our last hurdle and right now. we haven't heard official word yet and i want to give some context for our international community who may not quite understand why it is that teachers have been striking for the past nine days i pulled up this here this is the a c.n.n. but it is the very best edition of this that we've seen this is from the bureau of labor statistics on the average annual wages for it teachers west virginia's
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teachers earned among the lowest pay in the nation forty eighth and that's according to the national education association a ranking of salaries average salary forty seven thousand while in west virginia while the national average is fifty nine thousand i know you work a part time job in addition to being a teacher what will this five percent raise mean for you. it could possibly mean that i won't have to work a second job i took that job because we were one of the lowest paid in the state of west virginia and my husband is a teacher as well so to make ends meet it was just feasible for me to take on that second job to make up at different times of the month. you know what we were missing with our pay being forty eight. in the nation and b. when you look at that forty five thousand dollars i don't believe that's
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a true amount of what west virginia makes them because they average it from the highest to the lowest paid teacher in the state so you know i have nineteen years of experience and right now right around forty thousand dollars my husband has a master's and he's right around forty five thousand so it does pay raise you know are additional household income will be four thousand dollars for the entire year which will definitely make a difference in our gladly for sure we found we got a little way and i think though there might be some people in our online community and global community that still don't understand the fact that you had to work two jobs in the first place being a state employee me. right action never had to have done that but you know i have two kids of my own and you know i want to provide for them as well and there are things that they need them both in high school and taking on the second job you know kind of put us over the hump each two week period that we got paid so that we
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were struggling to to do what they needed or struggling when something came up because there's always something unexpected and there was just never enough to cover that so to have the second job you know it provided for those things that came up unexpected and you know at the end of those two week period soon you're like oh my gosh we have three more days to wait what are we going to do when we're going to do it you know i would have the second job pay that would cover those right. never assume you're going to have to work another job when you have a degree. this protest and this strike action has called the eyes of people around the world who want to share this tweet from jerry white writes australian teacher since message of support to west virginia your determined fight has given a lead to teachers in the u.s. and internationally so keeping that in mind this was a movement led by women mostly and of course there are other people who are
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teachers as well but this was was headed in spearheaded by women actually steward says the governor may try to take credit for this and the legislators may try to take the glory too but ultimately it was the unity and persistence of west virginia citizens of all sectors but brought about this change i know that not only are you a teacher but you come from a long line of teachers your mother your grandmother you have two sisters that are teachers now we hear news that there might be a strike coming to oklahoma where teachers are looking at the auctions in west virginia and considering a strike there do you think this is the start of a new movement and what has that meant to you. i think this is and how were people to realize that they can accomplish things that they thought was that they thought were actually impossible to do i mean oklahoma's forty ninth and teacher pay and i think it's time that they stood up for themselves as well to show the world that
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you know it's not just west virginia make this movement happen that other states can follow along other nations can follow along know that you know if you stand up for what you believe in which is exactly what we teach our students in school that this is this is a powerful idea you know women in america have always been down below me and for all of these women to be out here today it is impressive to see their power and their support and to let people know that you know we're not going to lay down anymore we're not going to allow anybody to walk all over us we are just as powerful as anybody else is it numbers well thanks for being with us today rebecca and please keep us up and you has you had back into the classroom and now to a story that's been heating up on twitter the hash tag land expropriation is being tweeted across south africa more than one hundred fifty thousand times at last count to discuss the approval of a plan some say will reclaim land taken from black people under colonial and apartheid rule the sticking point the current owners of the land would not be
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compensated the leader of the economic freedom fighters party julius malema sparked the debate with an announcement to the national assembly on february twenty seventh for a lasting peace of security and justice learned must be expropriated we thought compensation for part of the distribution would have faired to those who came before us if we were to be one for having me to cite. now the online conversation around land expropriation ranges from expressions of support or reclaiming stolen possessions to criticism pointing to the economic impact of a similar plan in zimbabwe pierre writes people are so eager for land expropriation without compensation thinking they're getting back stolen property it's a lie you're violating the rights of fellow citizens and you're giving the government the right to take land away from anyone one day that might be you or other say the plan fuels what they call systemic racism against white south
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africans the debate around the planet follows petitions to western governments on behalf of white south africans more than sixteen thousand people signed a petition asking donald trump to accept white south africans into the u.s. fifteen thousand people signed this petition asking malcolm turnbull to accept white south africans into australia and more than sixty two thousand signed a petition to the e.u. council asking for white south africans quote return right to return to europe unquote so how will this plan impact south africans on both sides of the fray here with us to discuss the issue mean to play say is associate professor of law at northwestern university and see shanae in go bass a is an industrial sociologist welcome to the stream both of you want to start with this tweet we got from a member of our community skip a twenty three who says it's not like black people were compensated when whites got the land this is
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a correction of the wrong about it was done in the past does she say do you see this in the same way that this is attempting to address the wrongs of a party. well in short there is an absolute need in south africa for legitimate and restitution where there have been and where there is evidence of black individuals who've been dispossessed historically that's not in contention for for anybody in this country the issue becomes the means and lembit appropriation without compensation is essentially giving the complement the. little power to confiscate property from and it was who just white individuals it's also black individuals essentially what they. see have agreed to do is to tinker with our constitution specifically section twenty five which deals with property rights now these are rights which are fundamental to any democracy trying to build a prosperous and property earning generation and lots of blacks and whites of
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africans one of the if if the a.n.c. are actually quite opposed to this if you really look at the launch of conclusion of handing the states that sort of color to confiscate something without compensation i mean taking that in mind we got this here from jackson jack who says it's procreation needs to happen as much as the debate does given the complexity of the topic the discourse easily lends itself to populism this increases the risk for quick and easy irresponsible unaccountable fixes which could result in more on happiness for the majority do you think that there is a way to do this so that it does not lead to unhappiness for the majority and if so i think we need to take. but we. are going to attempt to re a savage that connection with el nino but in the meantime you see this week here do
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you think i mean i think i know where you're coming from on this but do you think that there is a way to do this because there are people online who say that it should be done. rap's luci i mean again the general consensus among south africans that there are ways to do this and these of course require a legal rational and methodical. sort of weighing up of the evidence and the data as it relates to specific land claims now this again is done through a rule of law and this always and this should be adequate compensation because one thing we need to remember is that you know historically whether you look at the. colonial era in this country or the patent era it was always the institution of government which used coercive manipulative power in order to just possess one group over the other and essentially i'm advocating that it's that very same
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government today albeit democratically elected that has to now act a process of restitution where it must compensate those who don't just possess in order to return land back to its original inhabitants and by the way there's also another element here we have hard data in this particular instance i mean ninety three percent of people who had land returned back to them have actually started up to take cash instead of latin why because there is a recognition by and large that's all africans not all of us are agrarian all of us want to do farming a lot of us are grouped into the cities and one to live middle class lives. of farming there are leaders or even have the means to farm and to live that agrarian lifestyle i mean i look at it looks like your connection is back but that's what it . no i just want to add that i think we need to acknowledge that there has been a failure in land reform in south africa and this was also the finding of
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a high level report by parliament last year and i mean this this creates frustration right so we still have quite in equitable land holdings we white people have the majority of the land and black people seem most people seem. most people are less and less so i mean that creates the engine and they feel by that we seem to be losing a. contract that we made around ninety four of you know restored of justice of going this about the rights post way nation building and so on but it was all disconnected from the land reform issue and now it seems that all that is playing out in. the land reform irene. and that sort of creates opportunity obviously for populism what frustrates me is that experimentation is a very very technical issue so what people think will happen and what will actually
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happen there are two different things because even if you have express without compensation you still need to follow in the eagle proces you still need the state to implement or to expropriate property and the state hasn't used its powers as it can in terms of the constitution full of five past twenty four years to do land reform so i think why would you know it's just it's just so complex. and it's shaking as if there isn't like he agrees to say we got this i'm sorry we got this from you tube life i don't want to read this first africa as i need and says the constitution does not allow for the expropriation of land without compensation the n.t. is setting itself up for failure the government has plenty of land why not start there. yeah look i would agree with that partially but i'm going to come back to this point of oh you know dan these preparations are compensation would follow a rule of law as the i'm sorry but the record of history is specially on the
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african continent would disagree with that and we just have to look to our neighbors to the north in zimbabwe to get that case example i mean i think it's all the examples of time the near and the policy of you know i mean who explode create the property from indian residence and use things he took over the business of the get the underpinning behind this is socialism and socialism on this continent has been a killer of african aspirations for one prosperity and to liberty because i did a deal that somehow giving the states the power to script. i have to pause here there i am positing you there what i'm saying thank you to you and me because we will be following this story very closely and we'll look to do a lengthier follow up show so we will be back to this if there are any other stories on social catching your eye from members of our community tweet us hash tag a.j. stream until then we'll see you i'm lying. the
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nature of news as it breaks it's estimated ten million children of school age are still roaming the streets of nigeria with detailed coverage children what i'm off base and number of serious problems from chronic child malnutrition to extreme poverty from around the world turn one is last us lawsuit in two thousand and
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thirteen by then he'd spent more than twenty million dollars in legal fees. what makes this moment to this era we're living through so unique this is really an attack on truth itself is a lot of misunderstanding a distortion even of what free speech is supposed to be about the context it's hugely important to have a right to publish it would have a duty to be offensive or provoked it's all about otherwise people do setting the stage for a serious debate up front at this time on al-jazeera. perceptions . documentaries from around the globe. or is a big sound that's been coming down. it's journalism. debates and discussion this is a lot of misunderstanding a distortion even the only argument i find against that is all. to.
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