tv Inside Story 2018 Ep 90 Al Jazeera April 1, 2018 2:32pm-3:01pm +03
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children those are the headlines the news continues keep it on al jazeera inside story is next. israeli forces shoot hundreds of palestinians during land day protests as the two state solution peace process dies frustrations rising can a jewish majority in israel be maintained palestinian refugees are ever allowed to return to their last this is inside story.
sam is a than hello welcome to the show the un secretary general antonio has called for an independent investigation into the deaths of seventeen palestinians shot by israeli forces during a protest in gaza more than fourteen hundred protesters were injured half of them were hit by israeli gunfire the protesters were marking landay day in one nine hundred seventy six when two thousand hectares of land was confiscated from palestinian citizens of israel six people died in subsequent protests back then in a moment we'll look more closely at the palestinian land question first reports on friday's events in gaza. it was supposed to be a peaceful day but as an opera tested march towards the border fence. israeli soldiers opened fire. sharpshooters were deployed but palestinians
frustrated by the endless siege to live under undeterred. israeli commanders say they issued warnings against approaching the border fence. we will never shoot one bullet against anyone who stays away from the security wall we have wounded during the last few days that everyone who tries to violate the israeli sovereignty or to infiltrate the israeli territories will put himself and his life in danger but for besieged palestinian demonstrating next to the border is about the only visible means available for the world not to forget their plight we live under immense pressure that is why the people explode the blockade and the siege led to the explosion we either choose to live properly or to die we have no space we have no alternatives but to explode we have nothing except the oxygen in the air. land the is considered the first palestinian popular uprising for the past forty two years palestinians have been commemorating this day but this year after trumps
the collaboration over jerusalem it has taken greater significance it all started here in the world in israel after thousands of hectares of land were confiscated from palestinians back in one nine hundred seventy six six palestinians were killed then yet of a hammy says nothing has changed since palestinian land is still being taken away now more than ever enemies in here we came to commemorate this day because we have to confront the state it's important to remember our martyrs and it's important to save our ownership of the land i personally think we should resist until our last breath we shouldn't negotiate anymore we shouldn't give up our rights we need to find new ways many of the people living in gaza today are refugees and they're demanding their right to return home several tens have been erected a little further away from the border fence for what is being called the great
march of return people are vowing to stay here until may fifteenth by. then do us is you to have moved this embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem but at the helm meet al-jazeera in the road in israel. let's take a closer look at what many see as a never ending israeli land grab last month alone approval was given for the construction of more than one thousand settlement homes in the occupied west bank nearly seven thousand settlement homes were approved last year the highest number in four years there are now six hundred thousand settlers in the occupied west bank and east jerusalem building permits for palestinians however are difficult to obtain some of their homes are a constant risk of demolition on palestinian research group estimates that more than five thousand homes have been demolished in jerusalem alone since one thousand nine hundred sixty seven at least five million palestinians remain displaced scattered in camps within the palestinian territory as well as in jordan lebanon
and syria let's bring in our panel now we have joining us from west jerusalem robbie sable law professor at hebrew university of jerusalem and a former legal advisor in these ready foreign ministry from ramallah as samadhi director of the jerusalem legal aid and human rights center and from chicago ali abunimah the co-founder of the electronic intifada an independent online news publication focusing on palestine welcome to you all if i could start with allie in chicago so although course the struggle for land has been the sort of key central themes of the israeli palestinian conflict are tensions rising now and heating up more than ever before. well i mean we've just seen israeli snipers carry out a premeditated massacre of palestinians in the gaza strip who are marching for their right to return to the land from which they were ethnically cleansed just
because they're not jewish i think this really the the bloody events on friday israel turned good friday into a bloody friday show us that land remains at the heart of this situation and as i'm sure you know if i interrupted him i'm sure israel and its supporters would argue that they're there to simply prevent palestinians from spilling over from the gaza side of the border and creating problems local and israel not hold on the second hold on the second. not everything is two sides of balance this balance that let's look at what happened yesterday in gaza not a single israeli soldier was injured or killed not a single israeli was harmed we have all seen the footage on the news and on the internet of snipers shooting promised syrians hundreds of meters away from the border friends and i'm not going to engage in this on the one hand this on the other hand that nonsense is that mia take the question to islam then is the demise
of the peace process leaving palestinians losing hope in a peaceful restoration of their rights here on issues like that playing in the palestinian psyche right now when it comes to hopes and aspirations to be able to get back to their land as if it's if they want to talk about. one major threat it to the whole is the whole settlement in this birth of the world is it to them an expansion since the visa process was started in mid ninety's or maybe even early ninety's the settlements. settlers numbers in their personal look up by territory that build six times a group of six hundred pairs and it is unprecedented it shows that there is really world is not going to world's peace with palestinians towards
a two state solution rather than grabbing more land and bringing its own. relation to the occupied territory in violation of international humanitarian law that's a war crime and israel should be accountable for for that the whole thing is about perverts and those are trying to have been going on their own while our we're now only seeing a sort of measures or trends which basically make it difficult for palestinians to restore their land rights yes it's becoming more and more difficult the israeli like want your home example there are some declared. the israeli bureau of statistics declared in june twenty seventh d. and that the previous year witnessed an increase of seventy per cent of.
actual building in settlements in all over the west bank it shows that this is the priority it was the. legalization and the laws that is that drafted or through this year the last of it was the nationality law which prevents even palestinians in is the door live in almost nine hundred twenty down townships in israel and allowing illegally for the first time to establish jewish only. towns and villages this is this is a movement from defacto apartheid toward the jordan apartheid it's becoming legal it's becoming. policy and very girlish and all that equalizations in there with the bank the. law that allows the
government to legalize right legal building of settlements over on on palestinian private land it is unprecedented it's official fifteen of her land and resources all right let me take some of those points then to robbie i mean the general tone there is that israel has been stepping up measures that to deny palestinian their rights especially comes to land is three shoes i'd like to take first of all the gaza strip this was not a peaceful demonstration it was organized by hamas an organization which claimed to the whole of palestine is an hour whose name area and there's no room for israel but one obvious take highly firing sally's point i did point out we didn't see anybody had that soldiers being shot at just to be fair my also interrupt you so. go ahead now ok those radios were injured because they were lying on the ground the . the hamas use of violence they threw fire bombs they've been used farms and by the way i think this old admission that just barclays told five men oh please
it's obvious interesting. read t. eighteen thank you toward. a core likely the world health and fifty four can i please are all a bit dark because after all wouldn't give the medico and so if i make the point well i don't i'm not can i call it you i mean. alley let me give robbie a chance to finish the thought and i promise i'll come back to you ali for if and one more time tonight i have ra must stick according according to the official hamas to collaboration of the sixteen people they claim were died five were members of their military wing i'm quoting an official come us declamation today this was not a peaceful demonstration it was that it was instigated by hamas to create violence and peace are not being allowed to make my points this out fell ok so i suspect i
learned on the oil can we move to a second and third point there will come too early for him hang on ali for a minute ago go ahead is. ninety ninety percent of the palestinians in the west bank live under palestinian authority there's no israeli settlements there there's no israeli law they're living under the palestinian authority on the remaining issue of the the b. area we have to negotiate and i haven't heard a single word from either of the speakers that this is all right you should have to go all right ok i don't know what is probably beyond i think please arab allies but honestly authority there isn't a palestinian state and by most people's understanding palestinians do continue in the west bank to live under israeli occupation. anyway let's all get bogged down perhaps in a. sorry the. third party is they the clan themselves to be a state they have their own police a ministration courts and even militia they run their own affairs but we have to go to the border between us and this point to hear from one of the palestinians that
will sit with us and negotiate instead if you're going to hear from one of the palestine is it alex that let's hear from one right now ali go ahead because i know you had something that you wanted us to hear. well it's funny to hear the israeli representable talking about things having a state israel doesn't recognize a palestinian state that doesn't recognize the palestinian authority as having ever any solver in t.v. for example when israeli settlers murdered palestinians or destroyed their property palestinian authority police aren't allowed to arrest them and you know it's it's astonishing to hear this representative of the sutcliffe state calling for negotiations what is there to negotiate how can you negotiate with somebody who is a busy stealing your land it's the old analogy i always use that if we're negotiating up over land but over a pizza and i start gobbling it as fast as i can walk right negotiations can
be israel doesn't want negotiations there's all the talking point of oh no we just want peace and we just want the palestinians the come and negotiate with us is a rubbish for international media consumption what israel is doing is a consequence of the lavish monstrous utilize like i said these are usually to the west you do not like how can i message is that you do not make her out of like her jewish people to have a state ok all right let out in iraq this is our business that is the issue and has not come masters or some us does not ok i will be i will give you a chance in a minute rather let allie finish his thought now and so when we can we have some second i's discussion like itself apparently she wrote me last and he's going to wrap up in twenty seconds and then we'll come back to us for the british representative we're hearing from wants us to recognize an israeli state that has no borders where its borders we don't know where exporters are won't declare them
because what excluding it is on the whole of the brings the land and it doesn't want the people i've asked why it is a ghetto for i'm wanted prowlers then us who have been ethnically cleansed from their land soley because. they're not jews that's what zionism is all right i hate that but all the people who made that point let me give robbie a chance very quickly and briefly probably so we don't get bogged down too much into this and i want to give a. second round. the clock the crux of the issue is or if they could do they recognize the jews have a right of self-determination palestine we recognize the palestinians do we willing to go sheet we've negotiated borders already with jordan with egypt we're willing to negotiate with the palestinians but it has to be mutual they have to organize it well have i said let's give it some let's break this out for a second give us a chance i can say it's time you wanted to weigh in before i move on with some other questions go ahead your guest in jerusalem mentioned that ninety percent of
the palestinians are living in areas and b. but he didn't mention that. sixty one per cent of occupied territory is area sea where most of the policy of the sources of earth if did underground water. stones everything we don't have access to that did see the issue here is what did you go shit about the doubleton line for us is that all that but it's you don't have to be in the. sixty six to seven that was by then sixty seven is did it totally it's illegal for israel to stay here if they are willing to negotiate how to withdraw from this area but they want to there is we have we made a lot of historical compromise we we accepted the establishment of a palestinian state over twenty two percent only ok historic palestine this is the good it is compromised then any people in the world can do but israel to doesn't
accept us there ok let me let me move the discussion on a delay of nike and they have some equal rights we've got it you've got you've made that point over the line for us is is that we have. golf while it was states or once did visit on equal rights we will not accept to live as slaves in that part of the world with a lot of work that is ok you made that would be no it is a nice things we were and i was going to let me go to sleep but as i know let's take a few seconds for me to perhaps read to everyone a quote by the un secretary general and tony oh good tatars he made this quick statement on june the fifth two thousand and seventeen saying continued settlement construction and expansion and militant activity in gaza risk creating a one state reality that is incompatible with realizing the legitimate national and historic aspirations of both people robbi if you have
a situation where increasingly settlement construction means it's going to be impossible to have a sort of connected palestinian state doesn't that really mean you will end up in a situation where you have one choice either let palestinians back from refugee camps in places like guards and lose the jewish majority or keep them as occupied second class people the solution is to go shoot with a palestinian state israel recognizes the presence there i'm not asking about the solution of this for example we can have a long discussion about the solution in the p.l.o. of been at it with the israelis and they have found what i doubt we're going to find one in this show but my question is more about the continued after settlement expansion what religion and do you agree with the u.n. secretary that continued settlement expansion is going to make it very difficult to have anything other than a one state the aren't the answer is a border when there's a border they'll be quite clear which settlements of this oil which i'm not but for
this there have to palaces will have to sit down with us and so long as hamas continues to clear the palestine is completely arab state it's very difficult but some might go in a city where winter or gordo when you have a swiss cheese of power. just in networks of towns and can tons doesn't it become impossible very very very very difficult to come to a second and he doesn't do that so it's rather like the point of a chance to write go ahead robby it very difficult it's more difficult now than it would have been if the palace since a seven us ten years ago would be even more difficult in ten years time the answer is simply that made difficult compromises we're willing to make if a company buys us but it must be mutual and this is the issue it must be neutral you can only demand from israel palestinians will sit with us we'll have the good people and hopefully we can develop into a prosperous society both the palestinians and first ladies all right allie go ahead this is hilarious i mean it must be mutual israel occupies the whole of
historic palestine as my colleague said palestinians said ok we'll accept a state on twenty two percent of historic palestine and the israeli settler state is busy gobbling up one hundred percent and we have this man and his lovely soothing tones like oh it must be mutual there's no meucci afternoon mutuality in military occupation and settler colonialism and i mean happy keep saying it keep saying it out how must this look not only does it not have about an island he has to be a recognition of of israeli rights from the other side and sometimes the lack of that robbie's point what what what what is what is the recognition he wants he wants. us to need a recognition for israel to be able to steal land and in the west bank he wants promised you need recognition for palestinians not to be allowed back to their homes soley because they're not jews a clearly racist claim that no palestinian can accept and he talks about the hamas
this and come out let me ask him if he were a c.e.o. of a certainly ask him a question let me ask him a question see if we can get the straight answer is it not a fact that senior ministers in the is. really government including naftali bennett . and i could name a whole bunch of others who don't recognize the right to a palestinian state and in fact say that israel should outlook's most of the us yet he makes it sound as if the intransigence is all the posts in the inside the intro security answer answer that question alledged it's all up our alley so get us ok go ahead robbie a fair question at last the israeli government is willing to negotiate the israeli prime minister has been on record that he's willing to recognize a palestinian state there are absolutely there are those in his will don't and if there's no negotiations the situation will get worse the answer is simple as jordan did as egypt it said with us negotiate you'll find that is was willing to make
compromises caber let me. just a little bit today did let me know is it is really a different state is there a slight difference the problem between the israelis and palestinians of course is a struggle for land in a different sort of way that occurred between the jordanians and egyptians and a population that israel doesn't want to either recognize as citizens but wants the land i mean just to give you an example here this is by amnesty international in february fourteenth two thousand and seventeen this is not a palestinian organization or an israeli one for that matter and they go on to say last week the israeli knesset passed a law allowing the government seize your of private palestinian land on which settlements have been established now to alys point when you have a process where one party is eating the pizza doesn't it become very difficult to talk about restoring anything because as time goes on that peter is becoming increasingly consumed well i don't think the issues that the first of all there are
twenty percent of the israeli population are arabs and they're full citizens as to the third floor what it said is where already jews are living on land they should be paid compensation while the kicked out it did rot allow for the property. ation of private land it did say this is probably happening north in cycles as well when somebody is moving you kick him out or you pay compensation to the previous owner this is an issue other states have faced all right let me take that point to a sample i think we've got about a minute left and we haven't i think we haven't heard as much as we would like to from my son is this a similar situation of cyprus or other states of have have faced i quote the attorney general of his run of a high mandelbrot who said that if this law is challenged in court he won't defend against arguments that it violates the fourth geneva convention he sees it is quite . a dangerous development in israeli legal practice. yes that. in fact doesn't recognize the. ability of the geneva
conventions on the occupied territory. the flexibility of international humanitarian law and many of its practices to chile settlement and and forcible transferred over the palestinians from area c. and from jerusalem. all these practices are right or crimes and is there is should be accountable for that all right your guest is asking palestinians to negotiate we are negotiating in the last twenty seven years well i mean what hasn't he has example regarding that and what it point that there is a settlement expansion unfortunately most women would agree on is they listen to mozart there is there is a housing minister you have got and declare. declare that the israeli housing minister you are going to declare that they have plans in the coming twenty years door bell a million housing units in the occupied territory what ok what kind of business
that that we can. we will accept or not very young and how to says that we will keep our control over the jordan valley and all over jerusalem and we are. we are on that list there and call it whatever they call it let's leave it there i'm sorry we are out of time thank you very much to all of our guests for their participation robby sable a samadhi and. thank you to four g. you can see the show again any time by visiting our website al-jazeera dot com for further discussion head over to our facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter and there is at a.j. inside story from these and he's a dad and the whole team here for now it's goodbye.
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