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tv   NEWSHOUR  Al Jazeera  November 27, 2018 2:00am-3:00am +03

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we're going to talk to petro now who is head of the center for advanced russia studies this is at the national institute of strategic studies he's in kiev on skype for us hope you can hear me all right i think we had a few connection problems earlier but thank you for joining us what do you make of well i guess the amount of support that ukraine is getting here but what it will actually amount to in the end may can you repeat the question please just interested to know what you think the support for ukraine they clearly is a lot of support but what will it actually amount to as far as action goes. well right now what we expect. the broad coalition as we would call the broad coalition of the contrie rule which respects the international law and international maritime role of will. join in order to make a collective action. to contain russia in.
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aggressive moves what i mean is first of all sanctions against russian military in crimea because what happened yesterday and continue to happen today is the result of russian. russian claims that the ukrainian bustles crossed their stated border but actually there are no russians border these are all are ukrainian territorial waters so is just being a continuation their recent crisis is the continuation or what is happening to some sense that. i mentioned to know what you think as well about this idea of martial law president poroshenko says he wants that but there is a lot of talk that it's just it's a sort of cynical political ploy to delay the elections in ukraine. well the
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same could be their seizure of crimea was just a cynical move to boast the very end of president fourteen but you were speaking about ukraine the martial law. the next words of the president as commander in chief. in order to suppress any russian some version against. freedom of. against. our political and electoral system extra hours to come on military issues head turbo to confiscate joining us from kiev thank you so much for your time. i'm. not turkish police investigating the murder of jamal khashoggi searching two villages one hundred kilometers outside of it stand bull the remains of the saudi
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journalist of course having been found since he was killed inside the saudi consulate in istanbul last month tony berkley has more from the site the search centered on a large villa near the town of yellow there an hour's drive south of istanbul the forty strong team including police with sniffer dogs security forces and forensic investigators spent all monday at the villa which is said to be owned by a rich saudi businessman turkish media reported that he has links crown prince mohammed bin salman portraits of the saudi king in crown prince could be seen hanging in the hallway. turkish investigators were acting on phone records of calls made from the saudi consulate in istanbul before jamal khashoggi was murdered one is said to have been made to the villa by a saudi national he's been named as left tenant colonel mansoor othman abu hussein was a member of the so-called hit squad which carried out the killing it's thought that colonel abu hussein is in the saudi civil defense force and to serve the crown
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prince the turkish prosecutor has issued a statement saying the call was made a day before the killing and it was to discuss either how to hide or destroy this because saudis body. the search included the surrounding area and a neighboring villa which is also owned by a saudi national neither of the owners was present fire services drained two wells before the forensic team took away samples. the two main theories about what happened to mr body either it was dismembered and dissolved in acid in the consulate or his remains were taken away in black suitcases purchased by saudi officials on the morning of the murder they were then either disposed of in turkey or flown to saudi arabia under diplomatic privilege only the killers know the answer and they are in saudi arabia if this search fails to produce any significant evidence about the whereabouts of mystical saudis body it's difficult to see where
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this investigation goes from here without meaningful saudi cooperation which for some reason it still refusing to give. the cumin there they are as in the queue much saudi authorities are investigating with the perpetrators of the crime they must hundred more over to us so that we can investigate them ourselves and know who the local collaborators or collaborators are and who gave the orders to carry out the crimes since all these questions are still unanswered calls from around the world and international organizations and getting louder to open an international investigation into this crime that saudi arabia. mohamed bin salman though i'm moving on doing business and seeing friends the crown prince the man thought by turkish and u.s. security services to be in the want to order the killing is in egypt is his first foreign trip since the murder of jamal khashoggi and the question being asked is if he wasn't the architect of this killing then why is he not finding out who was tony burke and tony burke he is live now from yacht of our where that search is taking
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place an update from you tony about what the comings and goings have been in the past few hours. well the forty man search team has finished their work for the day they disappear they spent seven hours here scouring every inch of the villa behind me which is owned by a wealthy saudi businessman turkish media is reporting it has links to the crown prince in saudi arabia. it all comes down to phone records which the turkey's authorities have and a phone call that was made from the saudi consulate in istanbul the day before because saadi was murdered they say that phone call was made by a saudi national his name is mon soft man abu hussein and he is a left turn and colonel in the saudi defense force and he's also one of the fifteen . man saudi hit squad being questioned now in saudi arabia the target the turkish prostitute prosecutor in istanbul said that phone call was about how to dispose of
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mystical saw his body so that's another vital piece of evidence which shows that this was premeditated and it was deliberately done but planning was far in advance of the actual murder there are two theories about what happened to mr body one is that he was killed dismembered in the consulate and his body dissolved in acid or some other chemical or his body was dismembered and then taken away in black suitcases which were purchased by saudi consular officials on the morning of the murder and then under diplomatic privilege they were taken out of the country all they were disposed of in turkey so they have got the answers that questions they're hoping that the will be some clues here at the villa two wells here have been emptied by the fire brigade so they could take samples because there's a you know an idea that maybe his remains were disposed of down a well but as i say no revelations about what they found here today we think that's the end of the search day but it may carry on tomorrow also ok we'll talk to you
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again then tony berkeley live just outside of a stand. now a british student accused of spying in the united arab emirates has been granted a presidential pardon and is expected to fly home to the u.k. later on monday matthew had his had been researching his ph d. when he was arrested by a port in may last week he was sentenced to life imprisonment a surprise verdict which threatened to create a serious diplomatic rift between up with debbie and london paul brennan reports. seven months after his arrest matthew hedges is going home his wife danielle i was the first to react in a radio interview to be honest i wasn't expecting it it's taken me by surprise i'm just so happy so relieved and really incredulous that this is all happening finally it's been an absolute nightmare ish six seven months already and i can't wait to have him back the announcement of the presidential pardon came
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at an early morning news conference in the u.a.e. capital abu dhabi. you can. delete. all this if. that's being seen as a diplomatic compromise the u.a.e. stands by the court's conviction for espionage based on the postgraduate students research work on the u.a.e. security strategies the british government disagrees but when mr hedges freedom the compromise is something london is prepared to live with we've made it very clear for a number of months now that we see no basis in these allegations they reflect on that they've taken the action that they can which means that matthew hedges is going to be reunited with his family and let's say the outcome enables both sides to save face but lessons must be learnt i hope that behind the scenes and very careful thought is given to how such things can be involved in the future proper safeguards
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in the legal process to review things an earlier date so it doesn't get down to the issues of pardons and clemency and the diplomatic fallout because nobody really wants to see that there's something all sides in this diplomatic route do want to see and that's matthew hedges back in the u.k. within hours paul brennan al-jazeera london. now the saudi crown prince is due in egypt as part of his first foreign to us since the murder of journalist jamal khashoggi which we were speaking about earlier mohamed been some money at the king of bahrain on sunday journalists in tunisia demonstrating against his planned trip there on tuesday activists have started a legal challenge to stop his visit because of their revulsion at the killing of so we're going to talk some moment bashara about this our senior political analyst to see it first of all now and this is an important sign isn't it the place where the arab spring began the place which is are going to be being the most successful
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since the arab spring began and they are still fighting for press freedom there absolutely that's why much over all of the civil society in fact in the country is against the visit the say we stand for freedom we don't stand for the killing and so on so forth but clearly the president of tunisia the ninety some year old feels differently maybe under pressure intimidation and alas the need for petro dollars because despite the rather relative success if you were of tunisia not descending into the situation the like of egypt and syria and yemen and libya and so on so forth despite that it is not necessarily in the best of shape at least economically it has been effected in very negative ways over the last seven years and so apparently the need for petro dollars is there and i think probably
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the tunisians feel that they would need to know what's going on and maybe even put pressure if that's at all possible on the crown prince what about the rest of this trip it's very clear no and mohamed bin solomon is going to friendly countries allies would even say ones which countries which would protect him doesn't protect them as long as he avoids the criticism elsewhere does this sort of insulate him. well there's a sense that you know we live in and then in a cynical era where the you know the the cynics of the world unite as it were and and we see in the region the middle east asians more and more of the oppressors of the contribution that is of those who suppressed arab spring you know dining together helping each other standing for each other. it took the revenge even for those who dared to speak out in favor of freedom democracy and so and so forth and
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and really we see more of that in a global level now we see more of the the values being advanced by the new leaderships from latin america from north america to africa and asia where it is more about indifference it's more about apathy it's more about you know caring for one's own interests and not the others it's about ends justifying the means all sorts of sentiments. and come passes if you will that lead us to first world war and second world war and other civil wars and and regional wars something that presumably humanity have escaped and has been trying to. you know reach some sort of an international governance whereby. sympathy and solidarity and brotherhood and values like don't kill via neighbor and don't steal also fourth important but yes as i said last you know how much money donald
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trump and so forth are representing something a bit different nowadays no one to share as a senior political analyst in london. don't trump has told mexico meanwhile to send home thousands of central american migrants in the border city of tijuana. u.s. border guards fired tear gas to stop hundreds crossing the border on sunday the mexican government's promising to increase security and to deport asylum seekers who tried to storm that border fence the u.s. president says many are quote stone cold criminals more from castro she's in washington. according to mexican authorities a small portion of the overall caravan about five hundred of the eight thousand asylum seekers now empty awana had a brief skirmish with u.s. border patrol yesterday it started with a peaceful march in which families were protesting the long wait to submit their asylum claim by the u.s. and the conditions of the shelter where they're staying in mexico which is open to
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the air with little food to eat but according to bystanders this demonstration quickly devolved into chaos when a few of the asylum seekers picked up rocks and hurled them at the mexican officers on the mexican side at that point people started running toward the u.s. border crossing a dry river riverbed and trying to get over the border wall u.s. border patrol then fired tear gas at the crowd which included women and children now the u.s. has responded already by increasing its military presence on the border sending more than five thousand active duty military personnel there and trump has said that he may push for more funding for his border wall before the upcoming budget which is due december seventh if not he says he has said in the past that he may partially shut down the government which ironically would include funding for the department of homeland security which monitors the border. so this basically is
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what you could call a blue economy a virtual marketplace which covers seventy percent of the planet it gives this whole the oxygen we breathe it absorbs a third of the carbon dioxide we pump out and it provides livelihoods for more than three billion people in fact the world wildlife fund is tonight's ocean assets are worth at least twenty four trillion dollars now with the annual value of goods and services generated from the oceans at around three to six trillion dollars a year and analysts forecasts that value it would double by the year twenty thirty . new well explains why more than four thousand delegates are meeting in nairobi looking at how to harness the oceans resources and to grow what is described blue economy catherine soy from the conference in nairobi. will be. the next two days. this.
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is a huge. resource says this needs to be protected. need to be. more engaged in this conservation. and. really get involved in. bringing.
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exports and imports. from the. less than. the potential is huge so it's going to be interesting to see what kind of decisions are going to be made. going forward how this. is going to be implemented not just by individual states but collectively. firefighters in northeast australia say dozens of wildfires burning out of control of the worst they've ever seen high temperatures and changing winds are fueling more than forty fires in queensland homeowners are being warned they will have to move if those fires can't be contained.
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so the top stories this hour on al-jazeera the united nations is holding an emergency meeting on what ukraine is calling an act of aggression off the coast of crimea ukraine's president has signed a decree detail in his plans to implement martial law for thirty days scuse me it follows a naval clash between ukrainian and russian forces in the black sea on sunday well under simmons's reporting for us from kiev pershing caus doing really badly at the moment in opinion polls so there is a rule feeling on board domestically here that this could be you know something of a political move on his part even though obviously everyone is in. considerable shock about what russia has done in the curch strait however they do see a political threat in the election so it does seem that there's more support for poroshenko and his situation outside of the country than there is in parliament
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right now meanwhile nato secretary-general un stoltenberg says russia's latest actions pose a threat to the region so there should highest understandings that its actions have consequences and that's the reason why nato has reacted so firmly against the actions of russia against ukraine over several years in other news turkish police are searching two villages an hour's drive from istanbul as part of their investigation into the murder of jamal khashoggi the remains of the saudi journalist and haven't been found since he was murdered in the saudi consulate in istanbul last month. a british student accused of spying in the united arab emirates has been granted a presidential pardon and is due to fly home as a rest while researching the u.s. security strategy was threatening relations with britain and saudi arabia's crown prince is due in egypt as part of his first foreign tourist since the murder of jamal khashoggi mohammad been summoned met the king of bahrain on sunday but
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journalists into his ear demonstrating against his planned arrival on tuesday activists have started a legal challenge to stop the crown prince's visit because of their revulsion at the killing of sheep so you're up to date with the headlines on al-jazeera we're back with the news hour in twenty five minutes next to inside story with argentinean. russia and ukraine crash off the coast of crimea shots fired in the black sea three ukrainian navy boats a seized and sailors taken as prisoners russia is accused of military aggression can this crisis be contained or will it escalate further this is inside story.
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hello welcome to the program i'm adrian finnegan a military confrontation between russia and ukraine has raised fears of a new and dangerous crisis relations between the countries a still role after russia annexed crimea four years ago moscow's since been backing pro russia separatists in eastern ukraine where fighting continues sunday's incident in the black sea could spark a wider conflict a russian coast guard ship rammed the ukrainian navy tug and opened fire on two other ships several ukrainian sailors were wounded and more than twenty were taken prisoner the confrontation happened in the kutch straits off the coast of crimea russia says the ukrainian naval vessels entered its waters illegally despite
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a treaty which guarantees freedom of navigation ukraine calls it an act of aggression and has put its military into combat readiness but president special says that ukraine doesn't plan to fight anyone. so. martial law is introduced in order to strengthen ukraine's defense capabilities amid increasing aggression and according to international law cold act of aggression by the russian federation martial law does not mean our refusal to resolve the issue of liberating ukrainian territory by political and diplomatic means we have intentions to keep at hearing to all international obligations including the minsk agreement from zero zero as worry chalons is following the situation from moscow. well with russia on blocking the straits it does seem that moscow is trying to draw down the temperature of this crisis at least when it comes to the possibility of military clashes but you know the political and the diplomatic reverberations of this are
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still continuing this has been the worst engagement between russian and ukrainian military since the dark days of two thousand and fourteen and two thousand and fifteen the annexation of crimea in the worst of the fighting in eastern ukraine. so that we have a situation where ukraine is calling for a u.n. security council meeting it's getting that later on monday and it is also considering in its parliament the imposition of martial law this would have numerous impacts on the ukrainian body politic it would mean that you can hold elections we do have press the presidential elections actually coming up shuttle for the end of march you can't change the constitution under martial law you can't remove senior politicians including the president you can hold political rallies circular of the russian foreign minister is making much of this they're saying that that suggests that this whole thing was orchestrated by ukraine as
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a kind of provocation to allow petro poroshenko who's polling figures are not particularly good at the moment to consolidate his control over the country now ukraine of course is saying that this was all along a blatant act of aggression by russia russia has impounded ukrainian ships it has in its custody ukrainian military personnel it blocks ukrainian access to the as all see which ukraine has a coastline on so you know there by agreement russia and ukraine share access to that body of water and ukraine is hoping that it can get as much support as possible from its international friends partners people in the united nations people in. people in the european union to back it up a century on this side against russia chalons for inside story in moscow so what's the background to this latest escalation will occur straight is an important trade route for ukraine as it gives ships access to the fourth of mali
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a pole in the sea of as off east of crimea russia's been inspecting all vessels going in and out of ukrainian ports on sunday it blocks the shipping route between the black sea in the sea of as off by placing a tanker beneath a new bridge linking russia with crimea the crimean peninsula was seized in twenty fourteen by russian backed separatists after the overthrow of ukraine's president viktor yushchenko bitch more than ten thousand people died in the fighting that followed between ukrainian and pro russian forces. all right let's bring in our panel for today joining us from moscow is grandison professor of international relations at the high school of economics in moscow from the hague via skype tell us cause you're ukraine expert and author of putin's war against ukraine and from a chilly here mikhail oh well esky associate professor of the department of
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sociology and business school at the national university of kill or the hyla academy welcome gentlemen let's start with you glenn how dangerous a situation is this could it spiral out of control as either side prepared to escalate this. well the comfort conflict could become very dangerous quiet fast however i think it should be under control i think that there was some incentives especially from the ukrainian side to elevate tensions a little bit in order to i would argue create a provocation for a bit of an international incident however i think that a broader conflict with russia would not be in ukraine's interest. and now in the same side i don't think russia is an interested either to see this conflict escalate so it's so i think it can be contained i think will be more used to ramp up pressure against russia. i would expect both the british and americans especially to if follow up on this issue. in the hague what's really going on here
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is this russian aggression unfinished business political move or maneuvering by ukraine's president i think credibility i guess for most those already blaming ukraine for this military aggression when we see from the video clips of this a russian ship that hit the ukrainian not the other way around but there are i think two two to three reasons for this the for this incident first of all russian leaders including what you know to poutine. very afraid of developments in ukraine because really creating slipping out from that control russian soft power russian influence in ukraine is practically collapsed since two thousand and fourteen and the latest example of that is the drive to have independence for the ukraine not stop shirt from the russian orthodox church this was so severely seen in moscow that they called a meeting of the russian security council secondly they are desperate to try to
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undermine president petro poroshenko because he they see putting sees the push on course the only one with whom they cannot do a deal on the eastern ukraine and it's because of that that they want to try to undermine him with the upcoming elections in march of next year they're going to do the opposite they're going to actually probably make can be elect that but that's always russia's case that they don't understand ukraine so i think there's more going on here then they meet psionics not just a quick case of all russia made a kind of a mistake russia is seeing ukraine slip away and russian leaders are angry they don't know what to do about it well let's put that straight back to glenn glenn is russia trying to undermine petro poroshenko ahead of ukraine's presidential election. no. already polling quite poorly i think the people who vote for him now is in the single digits so he's far from the favorite and if anything i think this crisis would help him to
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rise up the polls even possibly now establishing martial law. setting it to favor himself or at least to boost his own popularity indure things so i see this as being favoring his presidency rather than undermining it by showing him that he's able to stand up against russia and also getting the support of the americans and the british i would point out however that it's not really clear what has happened so far. all we know is that. the laws which are supposed to determine who who can control this water says of course linked to the sovereignty of crimea now given that russia considers crimea to be part of russian territory and ukraine believes as part of ukraine they will both refer to the un convention on the law of the sea in order to claim a right of the territorial waters now luckily we have the two thousand and three agreement which establishes how this should behave themselves in this waters and
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the rules are that they have to report to port in the crimean port of curch and get permission from the russian argument is that the ukrainian vessels which were sent in did not follow this rules and for this reason they were intercepted and the ukrainians sent and warships immediately so from their perspective they argue that this was a provocation however we simply at this point don't know the russians have said that they will release the tapes and the evidence however in the whist it appears that both the government and western media has already laid the verdict and almost as the nature of law instinctively blames russia whenever there is a crisis between ukraine or any other country in russia so i think for the real evidence we have to wait and see though the cato. crane said that it had given advance notice of the route being taken by its vessels russia says ukraine didn't notify the bit of violence and that the vessels were never gauging in
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a dangerous man a clash was engineer to create a sense of crisis to support the president in kiev who's telling the truth. you know what at the end of the day russia has lost all credibility with respect to telling the truth and most viewers of yours unfortunately are probably forgotten that we have an ongoing war with russia the last four years four years we've had daily artillery attacks we've had daily attacks by tanks we've had daily sniper fire we've had daily casualties and daily deaths unfortunately that's left the news and now suddenly we have this naval incident and it's gone back into the news of course that makes sense but even the fact that ukraine has finally reacted in such a way that it brings out into the into the open what in fact is the reality and the reality is that there is a war and that russia is the aggressor that there are. two hours ago submitted a decree to parliament declaring martial law parliament will be in session in
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approximately half an hour and i would expect that there's going to be a lot of discussion tonight as to that law on basically a war measures act but ukraine is currently in a state of mobilization and it has been for the last four years but in reality what we now have is we have a i guess a legal recognition of the reality of four and a half years of war now that four and a half years of war has been quite successful from the ukrainian standpoint meaning that we've only lost seven percent of our territory but nevertheless daily casualties and over ten thousand dead this is just one more episode in that saga became a president bush says that that the two ports on the coast of the sea of as a key to ukraine's economy why is that. well it's not just those two ports it's generally access to the sea which is key to the cranes and cranes economy was obviously is important but those two ports are key for access to exporting of metal
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a little bit of grain also but primarily it's the metallurgical industry of the southeast so we're looking at iron steel various other fairs various metal. aggregates that are being that are being exported from the from the port of money you put it and the port of new both of those being rather important and for the last three weeks russia has been harassing ukrainian ships going into that into those ports asking them for additional permissions to go through carriage and in fact has been delaying for days up to. transit and shipments and as a result of that. i mean trade is suffering and in a scenario where the ukrainian economy is not exactly in the greatest shape anyway it's better than it was four years ago but nevertheless still recovering those types of delay tactics are obviously seen as very very very aggressive on the ukrainian side and and quite frankly now we've had an explanation from the from the
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russians to to to capture actually three warships of the ukrainian navy. given the political and military pressures in pinch point between russia and crimea one has to wonder why on earth this hasn't happened before now. well. my previous colleague did mention that this is basically an unresolved issue remember that the two men's agreements in in two thousand and fourteen two thousand and fifteen did not include the question of the crimea that was because of the mirror putin said that the crimea is a done issue it's part of russian territory and therefore the minsk agreements only apply to eastern ukraine and of course he's been lying all along saying russian military not involved and he's in ukraine so it really the as all of secrecy crisis as of yesterday is very much linked to the end result question of the crimea and it
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was a crisis that was inevitably going to happen why russia has done it now i think that i still go back to my points about russia's very afraid of this whole problem of ukraine slipping away but also yes of course this crisis is very much likely to help for a friend cause reelection chances but that does not mean to say that putin understands that the one thing we know since two thousand and fourteen is russia that his people russian elites in moscow do not understand the way ukraine takes and functions they do they think of ukraine as a russian land a russian territory and therefore they don't quite get. the high levels of ukrainian patriotism and they don't understand how. putin keeps on scoring own goals like in scott and ukraine this is going to be another one of those home goals
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is just going to help push and pull but that isn't the intention of course of saying so it is not likely to end and the west has to really get around the fact that yes we've got the minsk agreements on eastern ukraine but something needs to be done about the whole crimean question as well when i see you say shaking your head that you disagree with what with what tell us a saying. no well i think there's a good explanations why this is happening exactly now that is ten days ago mike bump a zero there you secretary of state met with the foreign minister of ukraine and. report was announced are a statement on the us ukrainian strategic partnership where the u.s. called for solidarity in terms of confronting russia on the shipping routes in in the sea of us off and only five days ago the british announced that they were also going to set up a stronger presence now in the black sea so again from so i think it was
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a good time for ukraine to say i guess staged is probably cation. and again this i guess the sentiment in moscow is often a bit misrepresented broad because when the west backed the coup in two thousand and fourteen there anti russian government took place in ukraine there was indeed huge panic in russia you know all red lines have been broken by the west and there was something really needed to be done fast but if you get the feeling in moscow the sentiments quite different to their interest is to bring tensions down and get a working relationship back on track so i don't see that there is any appetite for for at least instigating any conflict on the russian side and. again if you find in the russian leader until two thousand and fourteen who even argued that crimea should be brought back to under russian sovereignty it this implement any statements there because it wasn't an issue until you had this western backed coup so i simply don't see any russian interest in this but rather you see the same
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building up on the ukrainian western side that we've got both about both of our guests both the hague and they give shaking their heads rolling their eyes. you want to come in then. well i mean this i'm sorry this junk western backed coup i was on the on the might done four or five years ago basically every day if it was western backed where's my payout it was in the west and the western backed about it this was a popular uprising against the russian backed corrupt crook and and supposin president but i mean at the end of the day who attacked ukraine why is it that you know you're calling it a ukrainian provocation ukraine has lost territory it is russia that invaded ukraine in crimea it is russia that has invaded the don't vos it is not ukraine
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that is invading invading russia it's your it's a case of blaming the victim and this is a classic russian excuse me kremlin propaganda ploy where we were going to blame ukraine for the fact that now we have three ukrainian vessels that are held by force by russian forces and we have twenty five ukrainian naval officers that are currently in jail six of which happen to be. seriously wounded from russian military fire this has nothing to do with a provocation from ukraine professor in moscow to want to join to reply to that. no i i think that the blame lies more in in washington in terms of the staging this . could have happened no i don't agree i don't disagree that there was a popular uprising but i have to see what the voting patterns in ukraine or if you look at for two thousand and four election for example did or two thousand and ten when in the eastern regions you had over ninety percent voting for the pro western
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option and in the furthest western region you had over ninety percent voted for the anti russian. russian counted so at the end of the day. you know people are rising up in the one thing. i'm saying this is a question of ninety percent voting on we their side it's so unbelievably simplistic i mean you know you know is that i mean what i'm saying and i'm in britain. today we have a different opinion i mean come on. you know i mean i'm saying that under under president. hello carry on those are under president then of course which there was some other president democrat which there was an effort in order to. to balance these two interests between population in the
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west to one of the greater freedom away from russia and population in the east wanted to be closer to russia and especially the compromise was to integrate closer with both the east and the west what i'm arguing is that unconstitutional coup that happens in the ukraine and back by the west it had a purpose that is here it was a popular uprising against the cry government i didn't get much hijacked by that i want to get a suit and i want to get down in this in this single this one particular issue here you know you've been sitting there rolling your eyes for the last five minutes please don't you think. i want to walk you want to get a question. as well. does this have anything to do with the split between the ukrainian and russian russian orthodox churches is does that come into this this at all. yes of course because it's the sort of jewel in the crown in the
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collapse of russian soft power russian influence in ukraine. the whole problem that russia has today is that russian policies towards ukraine russian aggression towards ukraine has undermined that's of power it's rebounded to back against putin and so for example today our next year's elections no progress in candor that could can win and even get to the second round and no progress report he can win a majority in the ukrainian parliament why because sixteen percent of ukrainian voters twenty seven election districts are under russian occupation in the dumb bastard and crimea that's putting one's fault so putin's own own policies towards ukraine are preventing what he would like to happen in ukraine which is pro russian people. coming back to power so he's very frustrated with the way ukraine is going to play with poroshenko was pretty frank was initiating the
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including of nato and even membership in the ukrainian constitution constitution but change since for that and the question of the over the this is an explosion from moscow this is an earthquake from moscow the ukrainian ukrainian also ducks parishes represent a third of the total of russian orthodox parishes russia loses a third of its parishes and they'd also lose is very important historically religious objectively like the monish of the case sense of fears cathedral in kiev it loses its kind of power and influence in the also ducks world and and it says it's a step forward for ukrainian spiritual independence from moscow because the new ukrainian also built church which will be set up next month. will be of course not pro russia will be pro european and so all of this creates a real concerns in moscow that things in ukraine are not going its own way just one
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final thought on the question of oh the crimea wasn't an issue until two thousand and fourteen i'm sorry but my colleague in moscow is obviously somebody also doesn't understand ukraine doesn't know ukraine history and throughout the one nine hundred ninety s. never mind of the putin under boris yeltsin the russian parliament both houses of the russian parliament. a territorial claims rights the crimea and against of this has been going on for thirty years very briefly glenn do you want to respond to that. well there if this is a reference that in one thousand nine hundred ninety ninety seven agreement it's worth noting that the blue cross agreement also suggested. the u.s. britain and russia would all respect their political autonomy while the territorial integrity of ukraine so i guess after the coup in two thousand and fourteen there was an interest that while this was considered to be broken by russia as well now i do agree though that this conflict us two dimensions on one hand you have two
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different identities so well broadly to a dentist in ukraine there which never really harmonized which is why the country has been so divided in terms of how it explains its close relations with russia i mean how tough the country how the country arguing that this is. purely religious others arguing that they're essentially been historical brothers the same people so it is a conflict which has been taken over by foreign powers and i'm sorry up i've got to interrupt you there we're out of time many thanks indeed gentlemen for being with us professor glen decent of moscow told us in the hague and mikhail oh that is key in a very chilly here and thank you for watching don't forget you can see the program any time just by visiting a website at al-jazeera dot com for further discussion join us on our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter i handle at a.j. inside story for me adrian finnegan for the whole team here it oh thanks for watching and see one of them.
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harvey one i'm come out santa maria and this is the news hour from al-jazeera. that under. the u.n. security council meets ukraine's president proposes martial law for thirty days all this following these clashes between russian and ukrainian naval forces in the black sea. also sniffer dogs and drones help turkish police search to villages in the jamal khashoggi murder investigation. going home the british academic jailed for life for spying in the united arab emirates has now received a presidential pardon. and tear gas and arrests in mexico as migrants try to reach the united states from latin america by force. so the united nations has been holding an emergency meeting on what ukraine is
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calling an act of aggression off the coast of crimea ukraine's president has announced plans to impose martial law for thirty days a decree from petro poroshenko following russian navy vessels ramming a ukrainian tug shooting at sailors and then taking them prisoner all of this four years after russian troops and next crimea or chalons starts our coverage from moscow. things seem quieter around the coach straight on monday captured and damaged ukrainian vessels are docked in curch the russian controlled harbor russia has on blocked access to the ass of sea for commercial shipping sunday saw the worst open military confrontation between russia and ukraine since russian troops an excuse me or four years ago russian ships blocked the kirks strait it's an important shipping channel to supply the ukrainian industrial city of mariupol the russian navy rammed a ukrainian tugboat and opened fire on navy boats which russia said had trespassed
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into its territorial waters several ukrainians were injured the shots were fired though the military confrontation has cooled politically it remains hot yes. but if she's given not address the leadership of the russian federation with a demand the immediate release of ukrainian servicemen who in violation of the international law will brutally detain and whose fate is unknown. ukraine's parliament could well approve president poroshenko his recommendation to impose martial law later martial law basically suspends normal political life no rallies no changes to the constitution no changes to senior political personnel including the president himself and no elections bear in mind that president poroshenko is up for re-election at the end of march. craney an anger against russia is on display mosque men lit flares outside the russian consulate in kharkiv
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a fire started inside the constant compound in the kremlin this is all to trade is a cynical and premeditated provocation to shore up poroshenko is declining popularity and provoke more sanctions against moscow then with his way in the world there are constant violations of the international humanitarian law and you crying even without martial law shelling of residential areas in social infrastructure killings of civilians. leaders in kiev trying to gauge the level of international support they have and what they're calling a place intact of russian aggression rory chalons al-jazeera moscow and simmons reporting for us now from kiev and it's all well and good that president poroshenko wants martial law for thirty days but i suspect he needs some approval for that. yes parliament was in session then adjourned what was meant to be ten minutes of germans and that was more than four hours ago the now just back in session there
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was a big problem over the whole idea of thirty days of martial law says this is not a declaration of war it's necessary to improve the defenses of ukraine in the face of russian aggression really does have a lot of support right across the board worldwide for firm measures there is however an issue with russia accusing ukraine of deliberately provoking an incident such as the one that happened for political reasons that russia is claiming that it's all to do with trying to get more sanctions against russia so there is tension politically there's a lot of tension militarily and there's a power bubble anger in the air here in ukraine right now and that new nato had an emergency meeting calling for the release of the sailors and the release of the
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three vessels which had been taken by the russians and the nato secretary general had this to say through your show hans to understand that its actions have consequences and that's the reason why nato has reacted so firmly against the actions of russia against ukraine over several years and you're just back on the issue of martial law a lot of the commentary i've certainly heard and read today as saying it just all looks political basically for a man facing elections coming up and this would hope that election process for now . yes poroshenko has made an address lives in a facebook message to his followers he's not talked to her right now politically so you're right yes there is concern however he is making the point that ukraine hasn't faced such a risky time with russia has right now and people have to be mobilized the have to
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be a series of measures he's trying to assure you crane that he will keep this to thirty days that there will be soup but the civil rights intrusions and that he will follow a careful path however it's very hard to see that he can convince the coalition there is workable merge or is he with that coalition but there are a number of parties so this part is a concern that has really touched on in his report that the president could be really capitalizing on his strong position in coming down hard on the situation with russia however right across the board there is concern right now about what the next move is could there be another provocative move from russia perhaps it is very much a tense situation on the ground politically and also at sea in the
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near crimea a place that was annexed in twenty fourteen and ukraine says the situation will never be the same until ukraine gets it back and the likelihood of that happening seems very remote. and are syrians reporting from kiev thank you we move to new york now here's kristensen amy at the united nations that emergency meeting kristen what came out of it. well the meeting is just adjourned kemal and we got some new information from the ukrainians about what allegedly happened in the current street new details in support of these dueling narratives that we're hearing coming from russia and the ukraine the ukrainian ambassador. chang go said that not only had they notified russia that their ships would be passing through this area but they were attacked and rammed by the russian ship and they were in
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fact retreating from the area when russia fired upon them russia of course claims that this is their territory they accused. the ukrainians of not following procedures to follow through and call the gross act of provocation meant to bolster the popularity of the controversial president petro poroshenko the united states and european union made clear that they do not see this area as russian territory and that they're going to continue to stand by the ukrainians in this they called. this area part of ukraine sovereign territory and we heard from ambassador helly nikki haley from the united states who said that this was an outrageous violation of ukrainian sovereignty this latest attack and she called it a reckless escalation this is no way for a law abiding civilized nation to act impeding ukraine's lawful transit through the
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current strait is a violation under international law it is an arrogant act that the international community must condemn and will never accept christine what could all of this amount to another weren't necessarily voting on anything today but you've always got russia there which is going to block anything. yeah no illusion that the security council is going to act in any shape or fashion on this issue with russia in control of that veto power the ukrainian bastard told reporters on the way into the meeting that he was looking for strong condemnation of russian actions by as many members of the security council as possible and more sanctions from individual countries he describes sanctions as the only language that the russians understand he certainly got some strong condemnation from his american and european allies in the security council he also used the opportunity
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to. make the point that ukraine was looking for a peaceful solution he talked about the possibility of a russian invasion of ukraine being imminent in rio and sought to kind of play down concerns about martial law being implemented in the ukraine as a way of protecting the president he said that martial law would only be in effect for thirty days and would not affect the normal institutions of democracy and an attempt to tamp down any criticism of his government and kristen thank you for that update from u.n. headquarters there. ok we've got john herbst with us now he is actually a former u.s. ambassador to ukraine currently the director of the eurasian center at the atlantic council on skype from kiev and we thank you for making the time for us today as we've heard from our correspondents there is plenty of support for ukraine here probably not a great surprise there what do you think it will all amounts through though it's
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all well and good having a meeting at the u.n. but what will it actually amount. well the kremlin can use you know to stop the u.s. security council on the steps we're going to lead to the meeting of the un general assembly which i think a large majority of nations. russians and russian russian escalation this is a very dangerous moment for the first time since russia began a swarm ukraine crimea and more than twenty fourteen re doing russian forces attacked regular ukrainian forces and russia did not how it was this is a new escalation and it's very dangerous. what about the political situation in ukraine you've got with the libya you know how it works there but they thought idea of martial law it does seem to be quite a strong reaction well it's actually not a strong reaction at all pushing the prison criticized by others in the political system.


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