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tv   The Stream 2018 Ep 190  Al Jazeera  November 28, 2018 5:32pm-6:01pm +03

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overall situation. this week. follows up in that video common in this tweet she says central has our districts under the attack of the taliban are an iron wall between democracy and extremism and they hold the fragile democracy in afghanistan more than buffer zones they have been the most fertile grounds for democracy so what do you make of this comment there. well actually. they can say that the terrorism reached every place and. every corner of afghanistan has been effected by terrorism. this has darley there is a pressure on who is a part project leader is a or is a buck so we have a month. and different army of afghanistan so not only has our every tribe has been effected by terms. i see you nodding your head there
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i think this is something that people forget because. i think about a month or two ago i actually brought a story for al-jazeera about a neighborhood in west kabul which is predominantly and she of being targeted. by forces claiming to be diet and at the same time we saw the city of jalalabad one of the biggest cities in the country in the east predominantly pashtoon area that was just as targeted you know and for weeks for attacks including on a midwife training center so i think what we have to understand is that this conflict in compas is the whole country everyone is being targeted everyone is falling victim to it and i think the world sort of needs to wake because so much of the world is here whether it's through international aid organizations or whether their soldiers are here at one point so much of the world is here you know they're all meeting in geneva but the reality is no one is paying attention to this
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conflict and what's going on in the fact that literally thirty two million people are affected by. really a lot would you agree with on. no one is trying to ensure no one is watching what's going on i don't. want to lead of course the entire you know as i mentioned entire communities of. cities are under attack. by the fall of unbiased and other other other groups but there's a slight difference. i think the. difference like a minority both in terms of an ethnic minority and caring in minorities because they are the only. minority in afghanistan and that's why the sensitivities. are aired on. and i think i think i think the afghan government has been sensitive about this . because. the protection of. like a very minority has been important to the afghan government and at the same time.
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fall upon even being so cautious about that because of that sectarian issue sensitivities that exist but with simply i think all colors and started to change from be thought of on site as well because i see that now. in statements after their first efforts acting job. the entire like other safe area under the control of the afghan government will be a target a military target so from that perspective i think it has been an issue that has been left and and i think the warning. by i i it's hard getting. the schools the. discourse and. gathering all the shiites right and then claiming that shiites are entitled.
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for the sake of islam has been a sensitive issue which has been of course under tension of the government and the international community. i hear you i know ali you want to jump in there for a moment well i mean i think that's the nature of the issue where ever they are unfortunately you. are a sectarian force but at the same time like if we're talking about the issue of tax then you have to you know admit that at the same time that she was under attack which was heavily under attack it was literally one of the safest neighborhoods in kabul no one ever thought that it would come to the level where sports clubs would be attacked where it would be attacked where the centers for the for the college entrance exam would be attacked at the same time we saw the city of jalalabad coming under repeated attack as well by forces also claiming to be dying so this is my point is that they're really trying to spread the war in into
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areas that people wouldn't have imagined before and so the question then is what to do about that how to stem that flow i want to go here to this this article written by causing your colleague kabul to seek support for afghan led peace plan in geneva talks and i'm over here to this tweet from the geneva conference on afghanistan come say hi the t.v. afghanistan twenty eighteen. talk to us about what you heard today in geneva. it was very interesting at the conference today when most talking about the war in afghanistan and how people were dying and all the attacks and the terrorist attacks and everything i had some kind of feeling over there that people are very sick and tired of talking about war and plant people dying and women suffering lack of hospitals and many other issues people people want to move people in
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afghanistan now i feel you want to get ahead of the move on with other things other issues in afghanistan so there were talks about women empowerment and how they can tackle this issue and there were talks about. the major issue of drought two million people are affected and more half of half million of them are children. over two million million children are out of school and this what about that as well there is a severe acute malnutrition among children and that and it's highest well with about half million children affected by the drought so that we're talking about other things it wasn't really about terrorism the front of on the war and conflict and especially when i was talking to really educated very successful brave women of planets than at that point and and they were talking about resilience and moving forward and despite of all of that because definitely their lives are they
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different to anyone else's because they are living in the water there besides all the other problems that we face in the world they have doubled the problems because of the terrorism the war in the country so despite of that they wanted to move ahead and they wanted to still live and succeed in major sectors in afghanistan so the light today at the conference was more about how we can develop the country and how we can have reforms and just that's contributions it wasn't really a. terrorism issue because maybe because a conference was not a cloud it but. even talking one on one. here is pleased to. hear you will get right back here is actually i saw you nodding your head there. is this
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a bit that. people. are tired of war. that many people are losing their lives all the losses so people are. tired of the one death to be. the only we could be and. the peace in the peace negotiation or the peace process is. also take initiations in this you should. talk about the peace process so yes i do. people. in security council. peace negotiations you mentioned there i want to bring up this tweet from up to korean who says the need for a viable political settlement of the long running conflict grows stronger and the prospects for stability and security in the war torn country appear a loose if afghanistan is badly in need of good governance to reach political settlement so there are world powers who are interested in getting to that
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political settlement at least from a bird's eye view have a listen to representatives from two those world powers that are involved in separate peace talks efforts one is u.s. special envoy to afghanistan zalmay khalilzad he was speaking on november eighteenth and the other is russian foreign minister sergei lavrov speaking in moscow on november ninth during talks with the taliban i know that the government of afghanistan. the taliban saying that they do not believe. that they can succeed militarily that they would like to see the problems. that remains resolved by peaceful means by political negotiations but we will reduce the problems in afghanistan can be solved soley by political means through the achievement of a national consensus with the participation of all conflicting parties. so ali do you see these as good faith efforts initiatives here what hope do you have for these talks which are separate of course. quickly going to
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the conference for just one second i've been really involved with the civil society delegation that was going there and they had discussions and focus groups in all of the thirty four provinces and everyone that they spoke to the first thing that they referred to was the war and the conflict and wanting a settlement to it so i think it is very much on people's mind maybe right now for political reasons or not talking about it but definitely people going there want to talk about it but in terms of this peace settlement there's a few issues with it one is that most of the sort of understanding here in kabul is that what my colleague saud wants and what president of any want seem to be two different plans and if that turns out to be true that could cause major problems for people in terms of the russian element of this i think it's kind of. maybe duplicitous that maybe that may be a strong word but we know that the russians we know that iran and we know that box
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don are supporting and helping the taliban so it just looks a little odd from here that russia seems to be taking such an interest and when russia today journalists interviewed one of their representatives a high peace council they kept talking about a u.s. withdrawal which is a very real issue that no one is talking about but the fact that the russia to the journalist kept bringing this up it raised a lot of questions for people about what russia's real intent in this conference was you're not the only one who has a little bit of skepticism about some of these international player so i want to bring up this comment we got from interests out of kabul who talks about pakistan and their role how to listen to what he told the story. to the level of vision of one piece the first is not on state level. was lost in some jihadi groups who sees dude interests in benefits in the or in the description we have to get rid of that
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in the regional level it's been the original countries is sponsoring told to fight against their want to give enough on the species sponsoring dollars besides following your sponsoring terror groups to further you know if we need these you know we need more sanctions on boxer really a lot he points the finger at many in afghanistan do blame pakistan for their role and the intelligence agencies roll in and finding what do you make of what he says . i think. in terms of talking about. senior. officials from the community to the previous month we're saying some strong negative. on the solid and. something that brings in a lot of questions but. on the element you know now there is
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a strong will from the united states. to suffer shows i think there is and then standing in washington it's not only the state department or special refusing. to follow a strict. building policy it is the entire section i think i think there's a misunderstanding of quite a bit in terms of the. needs of the station who's now projecting another narrative and version of. some officials in public talking about like a quick fix that washington is following which i believe. assume it's not true. but they are concerned and and i was on the mentioned we have two versions of
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building and. then of course it was it was a problem but one earlier going to be there and here the idea of the quick fix in our audience of course there is no such thing one person here says afghans peace is not an option that the only way for us i want to thank all our gas for your insights today and for being with us be sure to keep your comments here and yes coming via twitter you tube an al-jazeera dot com forward slash the stream thank you so much for being part of our conversation today. this is the journey you've been looking forward to the one you've been dreaming about. little take you to those you love to faraway places new faces old friends on a new adventure far from the ordinary in extraordinary comfort come with us in award winning style because this is the journey you've been dreaming about we're
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observers who you invited into the country earlier this year to finish their job i haven't said it's a right wing conspiracy or anybody's conspiracy straight talking debate do you think we're going to see some kind of sea change in the u.s. relationship with saudi arabia we have an obligation there is that journalistic integrity and then in this case it was betrayed totally up from its own al-jazeera i mean this was different. whether someone was going for some of these very reds. i think it's how you approach a vigil and if it is a certain way of doing harm to. a story and i out. russian missiles to crimea and to martial law in parts of ukraine as tensions between kiev and moscow remain high following black sea naval clashes.
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come on peter dhabi this is al jazeera live from doha also coming up the u.s. national security advisor says he's not listening to the recording of jamal khashoggi murder but the head of the cia who has made no brief sentences on. the saudi crown prince was widely suspected of ordering the murder behind protests in tunisia and heads for the g. twenty in argentina. also ahead the woman who said she'd happily take a front row seat to public hanging wins a place in the u.s. senate. russia says it plans to deploy s. four hundred surface to air missiles into the crimean peninsula it is the latest escalation in a fresh confrontation between moscow and kiev ten regions in ukraine are now under
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martial law for the next thirty days after russian vessels opened fire in the black sea and seize several ukrainian naval boats and service personnel under simmons has the latest now from kiev yeah really. russia says this is one of many confessions by ukrainian sailors about how the navy illegally entered its territorial waters despite warnings there's outrage in ukraine its foreign minister says these men are obviously talking under duress as he puts it under the rules of russia's f.s.b. security service but they're prisoners of war covered by the geneva convention and should have access to the international red cross most of the servicemen and up here in simferopol before a court that gave out detention orders for two months while cases are investigated . internationally the pressure on russia appeared to have no effect on its foreign
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minister sergei lavrov visiting paris the. if the ukrainian side like its partners in europe is interested in avoiding such situations in the future it is obviously necessary to send a signal to kiev not to allow such a provocation that is not for us to do but for those who maintain close contact with the crane in authority mr lavrov hadn't appeared willing to meet a request made by the french foreign minister. sergey lavrov. told sergey lavrov that a gesture is expected from russia at the prisoners and the boats being held must be free to soon as possible but i will also call my ukrainian counterpart to encourage him to seek a deescalation in this region. there may be no confrontation now in the strait but the words exchanged by both sides are getting more volatile ukraine's navy is saying the russians was shooting to kill on sunday russia is warning that
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a limited martial law to be imposed in parts of ukraine on wednesday could escalate the conflict and now it's emerged that not all the arrested crew are sailors ukraine's state security service the s.b. you said. it had counterintelligence officers on board and it also says that two missiles were fired by one of two russian fighter jets at the boats and one of those agents was seriously injured what happens next to the detained ukrainian servicemen may be unclear what's certain is that without their release ukraine will continue to ramp up pressure for some sort of international action against russia for what happened off the shores of an extent. and or simmons joins us live this hour from kiev so andrew the deployment of these s four hundred missiles does not go beyond just symbolism. it would
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certainly do it certainly would by the sound of it these s four hundred saw a powerful weapons surface to air missiles on the crimean peninsula well it was twenty fourteen that russia actually seized the crimean prince of peninsula and of course that was this incident in the strait is the most serious since that happened and that is why we've seen martial law imposed on nearly half of the country it's not as much as as the ukrainian president wanted initially but it's certainly having an effect it's only two hours old now it will go on until december the twenty sixth could there be an extension that's a possibility but it's a very much harder to get it through parliament would be anyway because there's a concern there that the president will be using it as a political asset really the martial law to improve his popularity which is waning
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right now ahead of the presidential elections next march what the president is doing is warning that there could be a land invasion from russia and also warning that the sea of as of is into its intended russia will take over the entire sea and so therefore he is putting out a strong warning to the world that russia is on a war footing this is what he had to say. these tanks have not yet been removed from there they're still there i don't want anybody to think those are toys the country is under threat of a full scale war with the russian federation. the goal of this martial law is to show that the enemy will pay a very high price if he decides to attack us it will be like a cold shower that will stop the madman who have plans to attack ukraine and if there is no further aggression we will assume that the goal of these actions is achieved and how strong are those voices in the parliament there that want to
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clearly keep mr poroshenko in check and they want to kind of monitor what he's doing and how he's reacting to this crisis. they're pretty strong there's a number of the former presidents of the ukraine amongst those who are accusing him of being really over the top with his initial suggestion that there would be a sixty day. martial more period with measures put it has to be said that there is a genuine feeling in ukraine that russia is pushing things to the limit now that it has come so close to full on conflict that it's really the provocation is coming from russia rather than the other way round there appears according to many people in government and in parliament a feeling that russia is is really trying to undermine every step of the way the political picture here to destabilize the government whoever might be in charge of
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it so really i think one could put too emphasis too much emphasis on the domestic position this president is in he is all busy trying to enhance his image with the electorate but on the other hand he wants to see this fighting force within ukraine become stronger it is after all up against the armory of russia which is colossal it's really undermined in every sense this president does not see he's getting enough support from the united states or the rest of his allies nato in particular no action has taken place yet just lots of rhetoric and that is something of concern not just for the president here but everyone in government and parliament two hundred thanks very much live now to moscow and our correspondent were a challenge so making the point there you know martial law an hour two hours old it's got thirty days to run any comment in the past two hours from the kremlin or
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indeed from mr putin. well the kremlin has said that contrary to what i. said yesterday there have been no attempts made by the ukrainian presidents to reach putin on the phone so they're pouring water on that suggestion from the ukrainian leadership the russians basically are going through the legal process of the moments with these sailors and see if ukrainian security service personnel down in crimea and the courts has processed twelve of them yesterday. basically putting them in pretrial detention of two months nine of them will go through the same court process today and the three injured personnel incur
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rather than simferopol i think have already been processed already placed in pretrial detention once their medical attention is over now they are being processed as criminals essentially under the russian criminal code and what they're charged with is illegal border crossing now this carries a maximum sentence of six years if they are sentenced to this that will give russia a significant extra package of leverage over kiev rights groups and ukraine already estimate that there are seventy plus ukrainians in russian prisons detention centers etc which they say they're on political grounds this thing ukraine would say would swell that number even further to the russians want from the ukrainians to defuse the situation. well i think russia is basically positioning itself strategically it has
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concerns that this bridge that it has built from the russian mainland to crimea is a vulnerable piece of infrastructure it was necessary from the russian perspective to make this land bridge to relieve some of the pressures the crimea was under basically when russia annexed the peninsula lots of the things that crimea relies on and had received from ukraine were cut off so water electricity and that sort of thing and the crimea doesn't really have the facilities at the moment to supply its every need therefore this bridge was vital so to protect this bridge russia has basically declared that strait as russia's maritime border the effect also is to choke off at various times we've
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just seen that happen recently ukrainian access to the sea of out of ukraine has a coastline on the sea about sort of with ports like mario poll that needs servicing so this is the situation that we're now in and it's one that as petro poroshenko has just pointed out is combustible enough perhaps to lead to a full blown war between russia and ukraine russia would like to keep this as russia ukraine issue it doesn't really wants the outside world getting involved because it knows that ukraine has friends in the european union nato in the united states so it wants to settle this one on one rory thanks very much. in just a few hours from now the u.s. senate will be briefed on the murder of jamal khashoggi the director of the cia is
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not expected to attend the secretaries of state and defense will update senators on the saudi journalists murdered on weapons day the saudi crown prince is widely.


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