the relevant government more like i mean i'd like to just bring up a the icelandic experience because iceland is a small. whiling nation and is actually driven by the curiosity of tourists so half the while scorching iceland is actually eaten by tourists who eating. tour struck here yes what this while meat tastes like come in and there is the deep non down. not for sesa taste simply. out of curiosity and. they and he wiling a lot be in iceland say meet. greets made 8 me. visiting tourists on why oh so worth a character mount more in as. night night to tourism people people absolutely fascinated by why i wish.

to actually see them several they were shocked pay for fascinated by the big sharks actually killing them is a ridiculous weist of the natural resource michael penned in so q is that a valid argument in your opinion and does that argument get any traction any place in japan i mean the industry the eco tourism industry that can collins is talking about globally is worth $77000000000.00 every 12 months so if it goes from being food tourism you know rather than eat something that tastes like very greasy chicken when it's cooked properly go and see the whales in their natural habitat and they can then swim off and do what whales do right well fortunately that kind of eco tourism whale eating link has never really developed in the case of japan to the extent that foreigners are involved in the whaling issue in japan at all it's as activists against whaling and in fact you know the towns where they where the

whalers are to some extent you know bar anybody have very strong security services looking for foreigners who are who are there to as they would see caught say cause trouble about the whaling or fishing industries so the people who are eating whale meat in japan generally speaking are all japanese at i have heard for example that you know the politicians have wanted the school children also to having as part of their you know lunches and things like this in order to keep the next generation that continues to eat whale meat so but this is all basically. based on a political lobby not on a tourism industry that feeds on whale meat mark in brazil when you talk to people who are involved in this industry old they're involved in the the end quailing low b. if you will you get the sense that they might say will actually the whaling countries

that they kind of undermining their own image on the global stage yet. no absolutely i mean it's quite interesting that. that the whale watching industry in iceland is is now very big and very successful and that the people of iceland i think of started to change their positioning that there is not going to be any whaling this summer this this whaling season in iceland which is actually quite big news that just came in a couple of days ago and was kind of sort of pushed out of the media because of the big news coming in from japan which of course is moving in entirely opposite direction there is a small amount of whale watching activity in japan and there is a i think growing interest in the japanese people but as michael has said very clearly what's happening is that this is about the government of japan and what the prime minister and his key advisers and supporters want to do and they are essentially moving to a new strategic position with whaling which is coming out of the international whaling commission which is the internationally recognized body for the management

of whaling in the conservation of whales and in doing that they are just setting this very very bad example for the rest of the world because of course it's a time we talk about fisheries resources or we can talk about any other living and natural resources it's a time when we need countries to be cooperating and working with each other and say what japan is doing is just rushing off in absolutely the wrong direction michael paine in tokyo trying to unpack something for us michael it seems to me here that what we're talking about is this mix of national politics and national pride and it would be a very tough lower house tax and local politics as well right so it would be a very tough prime minister who took on the whaling low b. because of that kind of iconic place that they represent within japan or maybe i've got that completely wrong. well i think you see it in politics in almost every country where you have a lobby even a relatively small one on one side of an issue but you don't have

a very well organized lobby on the other side of the issue which means that that group even if they're not terribly big or well financed can run the national policy because they're not meeting organized resistance and i think that's pretty much the way that the whaling set up is here you have these local governments and local politicians some of them a very key and the ruling party and they're pushing for their local industries to continue their whaling and on the other side comparative to international opinion the anti whaling movement in japan it's very small it's a handful of people essentially when there are protests a so and that's certainly not politically. mobilized so from that point of view it's simply that if you're doing politics you're a politician on one side you can gain some supporters and on the other side you're not going to lose any because there isn't much force there can is this in one sense good news for the whales in as much as we seem to be talking about

a fading slash dying industry that politicians at the highest level don't really want to get involved with bucks because the industry is expensive and requires little big government subsidies sooner or later sooner rather than later the industry will cease to exist anyway. one hopes. one other fact to put in your question how incredibly cruel and painful and slow death is for the wilds because you're sort of fairly random a shooting a grenade into into the back of a while and exploding and then eventually it tele's and there is no quick humane way of killing a while or so on animal cruelty. basis you know even if you really don't die while mate there is no humane why of slaughtering my own mark in bristol is there another dynamic here that maybe spells the end of the industry around the world and including in that assessment norway and iceland too i guess in japan

you've got an aging population a falling birth rate you've got a younger generation who want to try other stuff and as we said in our introduction their tastes their palates of moved on. you know i think the i think the younger generation in japan are much more like the younger people in the western world they want the same kind of things are interested in the same kind of things but i think this is very much in the hands of the leaders within japan those people as michael said who are supported by their political constituencies where this is an important political issue for them but i don't think there's any way that they are preparing for the industry to die in the industry has been subsidized in various ways linked to the the so-called research whaling for decades and i'm quite sure that the prime minister and his friends his allies are going into a new position now where they intend to make this work they intend to make this ng this industry continue and as you've as we listed i think very well from this

discussion at the root of it is a commodity whale meat which is not of any importance that average weight of 40 or 50 grams per individual person in japan is like half an apple a year you know this just hasn't got any economic or or or nutritional significance to the general population there will be a few communities where it's more commonly et but beyond that really this is just something which creates so much problem for japan all around the world and it's done a very strange thing with this latest move michael you were nodding there listening to mark bristol staying with you in tokyo is there a silent minority of people who if it came down to put in a cross in a box i guess would support the whaling industry because they're and t. and t. whaling industry people because they feel they're being got out because they feel perhaps no somebody outside japan should not tell us what to do. well if i was to

characterize the majority japanese position on the issue of whaling it would be indifference it simply does not part of their daily lives and and that their it's not something that they they see a lot on the media here it's just not a concern but there are 2 points i think are worth bearing in mind about this change one is that the compared to the commercial whaling that had been done until recently now were good actually the amount of catches of whales the amount of whales being killed by japan under this new commercial whaling programme is actually far less than they had been doing under the so-called scientific whaling until recently and within the within the i.w.c. and another point is that in a sense the mask is off now you know japan had been pretending for decades that it was about science it was about something else now in a sense there they've been outed and we now know that it's about business money

politics so in that sense it's also something that damages their position can in southampton what are the chances that a japanese prime minister does quote so i used the phrase advisedly does the right thing and lets loose market forces on the whaling industry because surely if you let loose market forces the industry ceases to exist of course yes i mean i've been all shell assumption days for decades and. but we say we say they're surrounded around the world i mean a climate issue aged and you know i say wait wait joel from the paris agreement not wanting to control its carbon dioxide similar sort of thing driven driven by law then science no wishing to put words into your mouth mark simmons in bristol how much longer will this industry

carry on being i guess a touchstone of national identity. i'm not sure it is a touchstone a national identity i think it's important to some people it's important to some communities and when the fleets were launched just in the last day also we saw a lot of activity and interest in japan and of course that's part of the campaign in favor of it and it's worth remembering that japan has put millions of dollars millions of pounds millions of yen into its campaigns over the years to maintain this this industry and i don't think that the prime minister is going to move away from that position so i don't think we can put a sort of timeline on this at all and i'm also quite sure that japan is watching to see how the west rest of the world is responding to what it's doing and that's going to be very important and i think a strong response is required so certainly organizations like my own have been calling for a high level diplomatic response so that japan understands that going whaling outside of the appropriate international body which was set up to to manage it and

which at this time is still maintaining its moratorium is absolutely that's the wrong thing to do and on the numbers issue that michael brought up if i if i may peter. michael said that the numbers have have come down so it's been quite difficult over the last couple of days to actually work out what the quotas look like the initial quota figures it seems didn't cover the catch for the whole of the year and so we're now looking at a catch in the north pacific of something like $383.00 whales altogether which is certainly more than was being caught in the north pacific under research whaling but where i can i can agree with michael is that the other research whaling program which was in the southern ocean which is being closed down that was catching 333 minky well so we've lost that but these are very early days and we're watching these quoters and trying to understand how they're being calculated very carefully and intriguing point to end discussion today here on inside story can michael mark

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