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therapy is an improvement but until these toxic drugs are replaced entirely by new safer and more if acacias ones it's still not good enough. as a neglected tropical disease. is desperately in need of a new research and development boost. a few 1000 miles away help is at hand through a new global initiative. we're here in geneva not far in fighting the un and the world health organization but over here we're going to meet the n.t.i. the drugs the neglected diseases initiative. d.n.d. i are the nonprofit organization behind the s.s. g.p.m. development. founded in 2003 with the help of medicine from nobel prize money they've been rallying commercial pharmaceutical companies around the world to share their resources. already they've gained access to
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a limited selection of big pharma drug libraries and now have a portfolio of 15 promising new drugs in various stages of trial for several neglected diseases but now it's a particularly important time for them to see charlie mowbray head of drug discovery is the architect of the all new n t d drug discovery booster a project designed to access and speed up new therapies for color well it's a great time to visit is an email on just about the center for the world's leading pharmaceutical companies ok so actors america. qaeda quickly you can see here there's a chemical structure or some information here of different ways of depicting the structure or its activity against the parasite also it was to kill t. crazy that causation i guess so this compound will kill the parasites that cause disease and leishmaniasis really we would have screened 100000 compounds maybe to find this one really precious the parasites are really difficult to kill a proper. these are this is still quite
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a long way away from what we need for something all along from really become an oral meds from swallow and it'll kill the parasite so we would normally have to start making compounds my hand one at a time really slow really expensive but the companies that have been working in drug discovery for 50 or 100 years already have big collections hundreds of thousands or even millions of compounds and they're going to have some good look a bit like this one this is drug discovery. d.n.d. i is essentially on the hunt for a look alike to this compound one that may have even better properties for the purposes of a new drug for colors are. but they can't do it alone that's where the booster comes in each participating pharmaceutical company has effectively opened their entire back catalogue and what's more they'll lead the search themselves have you persuaded these companies that it's in their interests to do. what i think has many many motivations but one of the things i write on a scientist i used to work from phone pharmaceutical company the people on the
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other side of this project i'm no different from me they're really excited about working on a disease like this because we can all see the appalling need here most people want to help and i hope some other companies are going to join this project quite soon so we really want this to be a global consortium you name and shame the ones who haven't signed here. where we're working hard with some other companies it takes a long time in discussions like this we hope some other companies will join soon so you're going to click send well i'm just about to do that so so yeah we can send it . and i'll be off the wall. in the u.k. and japan at the end of the drugs will be made available no cost or low cost to the patients that need them so an exciting time fingers crossed. for pharmaceutical giants have so far signed the boost to contract which means d n d i now again unlimited access to millions of compounds why. of the companies astra
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zeneca is in the u.k. the other 3 are in japan shinobi. and days i have received charlie's e-mail with the seat. we're looking for the man received the email from d.m.g. i i believe is in here and so she alone it's nice to meet she let me have that so you look at structure of molecules on computer models as well as in real life technically sure yes in your family what you do that they have look out there and i think if this sporting event best sleep 3 dimensional structure. this is us all these compounds that see the compounds and imagine this is the seed that came from the n.d.i. d.n.d. eyes seed is 17 parts carbon 4 parts nitrogen 15 parts hydrogen and one part chlorine connected into this unique shape. this combination and shape closely fits
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and binds to a vulnerable spot on the leash mania parasites interfering with their mechanics by so far unknown mechanism but the fit could be better it's like fitting a key to a lock by intelligent trial and error 1.0 is a shop for food fight this is simple ok this is not a sin but you don't have to be a chemist to say that this doesn't look like that so i would such a similar compound bassong chemical for updates on sudan and i took jan euro and saw the fact that some screenings are runny oh yes it generally quit around yes they are at 94 percent and you can see 2 rings 3 rings triangles and the next one is 85 percent and so on and so forth that didn't even take 2 seconds. after a successful scan for compounds with a similar chemical makeup today n.d.i. seed the team conduct a 2nd scan for shape and behavioral similarities. really fast in this system we
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can search the compound the which are the same in our property is. not a structure itself not just so actually it's an additional layer of screening for similarities so these compounds. actually exist in your library in this building of course we're going to see them. of course thank you very much as i have in fact found 96 matching compounds that d.n.d. i have requested to see. kim manages the archive store. in this automated store and in there. this flock has 384 miniature like. that so small a troop. inside of you know how many you hold in the. us think of this story it's 1xw1xw
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a year. wow and i can see a barcode on the bottom here is that unique. armed with the codes on that sushi and because we're short list kim is quick to retrieve the 96 compounds as selected by d n d r this all to me to storage system houses 10 samples of every drug compound on a database kept at minus 20 degrees celsius the liver here is ok wrong side. show is over so i know. one of these $96.00 could be a new cure or a basis of a new cure for colors are. really right here can i can we hold what sure this one. wow. is in very small amounts it is very hard to find. another kim honestly this is a mazing literally this is one of the. you know. just out of curiosity
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this is this is a compound this was a drug that was being researched and it's here in storage was it being researched for example this was produced in project to barrel. agent really the product itself. because they couldn't find a compound has enough. expecting to why does the company keep them in storage if it doesn't go anywhere we thought it to have another possibility to cure. and now we can now we can see maybe this is. maybe it's a new class of drug and it was originally intended to be a cancer drug i think that's incredible.
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the samples are now part for delivery and will head to a korean lab where they'll go through rounds of testing against infected cells. the most successful of them will become a new seed and the process will begin all over again further refining the candidate compounds. and off they go to career. within a year d.n.d. i expect to identify the 1st truly promising new drug candidates. that's a very welcome prospect for dr will continue the clinical trial until we did. some tablets would be better to bring more because you can't isn't it if you get. a fix that you can easily take to this kind of patients in the field. where there is found. very resource to me to say to you just remarkable about abs with poor
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hands of us and he said to me so the best would be to have. the right to put it kind of. although he's doing much better demba who will have to put up with that tedious long hospital stay at the daily s.s.g. . so plenty more painful injections suppose it's all feeling to look forward. with d.n.d. eyes drug bristow offering a glimmer of hope for the fight against. their aim is to use this method of working for all of the neglected diseases giving new purpose to all those compounds previously locked away in volts. despite developments in medicine and technology the only mobility option available for the millions of people with some form of promises remains as it did centuries
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ago a wheelchair and the limitations a will chairs are not just with regard to religion on numerous medical and psychological issues associated with the. sea and i'm here in san francisco america to find out about an exciting new development for people with crisis. just to meet. young gentleman who had a spinal cord injury quite recently and has been found ever since thanks for letting me come to your house. wow. some of you got a whole day yeah right underneath. so i. ask you about your accident yeah it was you know i was hanging out of a friend's house and we were locked out of his apartment he lived on the 3rd floor and figured i'd climb up to his balcony and get in and save the day as i was getting up i fell so i fell for about. 10 meters landed on my neck as i kind of
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came to in the hospital i noticed as i was lying there that i couldn't move my legs that something was pretty seriously wrong i broke my c 5 and c 6 vertebrae how do you cope we such a dramatic. impact on your life i just don't see any other option but to cope. i don't want to say embrace what happened but really accept what happened and kind of move forward. a spinal cord injury is. incredibly devastating injury it affects everything from physical strength and everything to when you need to go use the restroom and not being able to look at people and i level constantly having to look up there's so many benefits to being able to stand up and walk aside from just the mobility aspect of it so to be able to potentially experience that and feel those benefits i think is just incredibly exciting.
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exit wound exit is an organization that is at the forefront of technological advancements which are allowing people like rush the opportunity to walk again. very impressive office thank you we're really lucky to have an answer very cool on foreign factory really yeah. so this is the suit yes it's basically a wearable robot it takes a person and it can provide tort to their joints where they maybe can't so when i stand i provide torque on my knees so i don't like this but then sue provides that and you provide everything else so your weight doesn't actually go through this so your weight goes through you naturally so there's the obvious benefit of allowing that person to be able to stand up but are there other clinical benefits that were aware of for the things like your. tract infection and bowel movement
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complications and then things like pressure sores all of those we think we can substantiate that walking getting up and walking is going to help. so this one here is fresh off our assembly line how's it controlled it looks at various sensors all around the city and when you when you position yourself correctly with your shoulders basically center over your lead foot it knows you want to take another step because it looks kind of unnatural it's suddenly just standing like this turns out people only really do that when they're going to take another step so then it takes another so how's that used to clinical practice at the moment so right now it's designed for use in a rehab center with a physical therapist the dream of course is that eventually you get those units and then you replace them or more the wheelchair time during their day. all russia
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rides with his parents to use the exit seat and to walk for the 1st time since his accident i've been doing really for it yeah let's go. through this. you need. to attach to this so yeah that's one other state be watching you know. this is a good look both good. it would suggest. 123 or straight down. but i have a fairly interesting. very interesting. it's the 1st step is always the right.
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and you see this going for. somebody just wants to walk in and. just doesn't like this whole sitting thing but he went on mr concepts and. so what do you think. i am really excited to see. if position because i and she's to be very authentic from iran you want to buy. their psyche everything. i think given that you know cyborgs touch should be tried and i think jim. i think any head that comes from technology would be good off the hall from now arash gets to control the ex so you suit him so so there's 4 different buttons that would trigger the 1st time any one of the buttons would be the same. lead on the right this is easier is it. because you were more in control yeah it's kind of
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like i just have to figure out where to go. already the psychological benefits are clear for us it's not normal to be used creating your head up all the time. feels like you're. part of society and part of your communication and conversations again. you know the future is going to get really exciting just in the bioethics space in general i think you're going to be able to see someone come into an airplane in an exoskeleton and sit down and economy seat and you're going to see grandma at the mall and she's going to show off her hip new x.o. pants you know she's going to be able to take a walk with her grandkids that she couldn't take it's not far that's what's really exciting is it's really not science fiction anymore. i would like to see this technology go to a point where it replaces
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a wheelchair if not all the time the much of the time. in one of washington's most anticipated public hearings former u.s. special counsel robert marlow is about to testify before congress will bring it to you live.
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hello i'm sammy's a and this is al jazeera live from doha also coming up i am pleased to hand over to an incoming leader of the conservative party and the prime minister. to resign my paves the way for boris johnson to take up the u.k.'s top job. so diane's military junk rests 18 generals including the recently appointed army chief of staff. now former u.s. special counsel robert muller is about to go before congress to answer questions about his investigation into russian interference in the 2016 presidential election let's take you to these live pictures coming in from capitol hill you can see there robert mala the former special investigator. making his way to
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his seat where he will shortly we understand after some introductory speeches be addressing members of the congress then the house judiciary committee he's got 2 hearings today well this all comes about 3 months since he handed in. his report on the nearly 2 year probe ended with moloch concluding russia did interfere in the 2016 u.s. presidential election during a may press conference maher added that while the report does not conclude president donald trump committed a crime it also does not exonerate him president trump is tweeting meanwhile about mother's testimony even before it begins here's a little bit of what he's been saying so far so democrats and others can illegally fabricate a crime trying pinning it on
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a very innocent president and when he fights back against this illegal and treasonous attack on our country they call it obstruction wrong exclamation mark why didn't robert muller investigate the investigators had the car hayne is on capitol hill where the hearings will take place we can go to her live so just give us a little. preview i guess of what we can expect from this much anticipated hearing today patty. well just to give you a sense there's an absolute electric sort of feeling here on capitol hill that pain and hearing room is absolutely packed robert muller no stranger to testify before congress it was the f.b.i. director for more than a decade but even he seemed to look across and across and think wow this is a lot of interest but the whole country has been waiting for this this is more than 2 years in the making and here's why this matters if you ask the average american
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happened but the more the report a lot of members of congress admit they haven't read the report either so what happened is the attorney general william barr was able to come out and say if you don't summer we did that 1st and said there was no obstruction there was no collusion and that really set the narrative and then you saw the president put us president out on camera that over and over again no obstruction no collusion but once you actually read the report it's clear that there was some contact between members of the trump campaign and russia all right i'm sorry that wasn't the right thing but we understand they are now starting to talk so let's jump in and turn up the volume and listen then. you conducted that investigation with remarkable integrity for 22 months you never commented in public about your work even when you were subjected to repeated and grossly unfair personal attacks instead your indictments spoke for you and then astonishing detail over the course of your
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investigation you obtained criminal indictments against 37 people and entities you secured the conviction of president trump's campaign chairman is deputy campaign manager is national security advisor and his personal lawyer among others the poor man a ford case alone you would covered as much as $42000000.00 so that the cost of your investigation to the taxpayers approaches 0. and in your report you offer the country accountability as well in volume one you find that the russian government attacked a 2016 elections quote in a sweeping and systematic fashion and that the attacks were designed to benefit the trump campaign volume 2 works as through 10 separate incidents of possible obstruction of justice where in your words president trump attempted to exert undue influence over your investigation the president's behavior it included and i quote
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from your report quote public at tax on the investigation nonpublic it to efforts to control it and efforts in both public and private to encourage witnesses not to cooperate quote among the most shocking of these incidents president trump ordered his white house counsel to have you fired and then to deny to a lie and deny that it had happened he ordered his former campaign manager to convince the recused attorney general to step in and limit your work and he attempted to prevent witnesses from cooperating with your investigation of the department policy barred you from indicting the president for this kind you made clear that he is not exonerated any other person who acted in this way would have been charged with crimes and in this nation not even the president is above the law
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which brings me to this committee's work responsibility integrity and accountability these are the marks by which we use serve on this committee will be measured as well director mueller we have a responsibility to address the evidence that you have uncovered. you recognize as much when you said quote the constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accused a sitting president of wrongdoing. that process begins with the work of this committee we will follow your example director mother we will act with integrity we will follow the facts where they lead we will consider appropriate remedies we will make our recommendation to the house when our work concludes we will do this work because there must be accountability for the conduct this right in your report especially as it relates to the president thank you again director muller we look
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forward to your testimony it is now my pleasure to recognize the ranking member of the judiciary committee the gentleman from georgia mr collins for his opening statement thank you mr chairman and thank you mr mohler for being here for 2 years leading up to the release of the report and in the 3 months since americans were 1st told what to expect and then what to believe collusion we were told was in plain sight even if the special counsel tame didn't find it when mr maule or produces reported party job are provided to every american we read no american conspired with russia to interfere in our elections we learned the depths of russia's malice toward america we are here to ask serious questions about mr miller's work and we will do that after an extended on hampered investigation today marks an end to mr muller's involvement in an investigation that closed in april the burden of proof or accusations that remain unproven is extremely high and especially a lot of special counsels for us we are told this investigation began as an inquiry
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into whether russia meddled in our $26000.00 election mr maule or you concluded they did. russians accept access democrat servers and disseminated sensitive information by tricking campaign insiders into revealing protected information the investigation also reviewed whether donald trump the president sought russian assistance as a candidate to win the presidency mr miller concluded he did not is family or advisers did not in fact the report concludes no one in the president's campaign colluded collaborated or conspired with the russians the president wants the public narrative surrounding this investigation assumes a sign of the assume his guilt while he knew the extent of his innocence volume 2 mr miller's report details the president's reaction to frustrating investigation where his innocence was established early on the president's attitude toward the investigation was understandably negative yet the president did not use authority to close the investigation he asked his lawyer mr miller had conflicts that disqualified mr miller from the job but he did not shut down the investigation the
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president knew he was innocent. those are the facts of the mall report russia meddled in the 26000 election the president did not conspire with the russian and nothing we hear today will change those facts but one element of this story remains the beginnings of the f.b.i. investigation into the prism for to mr miller's testimony about what he found during his review of the origins of the investigation in addition the inspector general continues to review how baseless gossip can be used to launch an f.b.i. investigation against a private citizen and eventually a president those results will be released and we will need to learn from them to ensure government intelligence and law enforcement powers are never again used in turn on a private citizen or it potential or political candidate as a result of the political leanings of a handful of. the origins and conclusion of the mall or investigation of the same things what it means to be american every american has a voice in our democracy it must protect the sanctity of their voice by combating
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election interference every american enjoys the presumption of innocence and guarantee of due process if we carry nothing anything away today it must be that we increase our business against foreign election or parents while we ensure our government officials don't weaponize their power against the constitutional rights guaranteed to every us citizen finally we must agree that the opportunity cost here is too high the months we have spent investigating from this fail to end the border crosser contribute to the growing job market instead we have gotten stuck and it's paralyzed this committee and this house and as a side note. every week i leave my family and give the most important things to me to come to this place because i believe this voice is a place where we can actually do things and help people 6 and a half years ago i came here to work on behalf of the people of the not district in this country and we accomplished a lot in those 1st 6 years on a bipartisan basis with many of my friends across the aisle sitting on this dance with me today however this year because the majorities dislike of this president
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and the endless hearing and a close investigation have calls us to accomplish nothing except talk about the problems of our country while our border is on fire in crisis and everything else is stopped this hearing is long overdue we've had truth for months nor merican conspire to throw our election what we need today is to let that truth bring us confidence and i hope mr chairman closure without your back thank you mr collins i will now introduce today's witness robert muller served as director of the f.b.i. from 2001 to 2013 and most recently served as special counsel in the department of justice overseeing the investigation into russian interference in the 2016 special election he received his be a from princeton university and m.a. from new york university in my district and his j.d. from the university of virginia mr mother is accompanied by his by counsel aaron zebley who served as deputy special counsel in the investigation we welcome my
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distinguished witness and we thank you for participating in today's hearing now if you would please rise i will begin by swearing you in raise your right hand please. you swear or affirm under penalty of perjury that the testimony you about to give is true and correct to the best of your knowledge information and belief so help you go at the record show the witness answered the affirmative thank you and please be seated please note that your written statement will be entered into the record in its entirety accordingly i ask that you summarize your testimony in 5 minutes kemal you may begin. good morning chairman manner. and ranking member collins in the members of the committee as you know in may 2017 the acting attorney general asked me to serve as special counsel in order to undertake that role because i believe that
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it was of paramount interest to the nation to determine whether a foreign adversary that interfered in the presidential election as the acting attorney general said at the time the appointment was necessary in order for the american people to have full confidence confidence in the outcome i staff and i carried out this assignment with that critical objective in mind to work quietly thoroughly and with integrity so that the public would have full confidence in the outcome you order appointing me as special counsel direct in our office to investigate russian interference in the 2016 presidential election this included investigating any links or coordination between the russian government and individuals associated with the trump campaign it also included investigating
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efforts to interfere with or obstruct our investigation throughout the investigation i continually stressed 2 things to the team that we had assembled 1st we needed to do our work as thoroughly as possible and as expeditiously as possible it was in the public interest for our investigation to be complete and not to last a day longer than was necessary 2nd the investigation needed to be conducted fairly and with absolute integrity our team would not leak or take other actions that could compromise the integrity of our work. all decisions were made based on the facts and the law during the course of our investigation we charged more than 30 defendants with committing federal crimes. including 12 officers of the russian military 7 defendants have been convicted or pled guilty certain of the
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charges we brought remain pending today and for those matters i stress that the indictments contain allegations and every defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty in addition to the criminal charges we brought as required by justice department regulations we submitted a confidential report to the attorney general at the conclusion of our investigation the report set forth the results of our work and the reasons for our charging and declination decisions it during general later made to the pool report largely public as you know i made a few limited remarks limited remarks about our report when we closed the special counsel's office in may of this year but there are certain points that bear emphasis 1st our investigation found that the russian government interfered in our
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election in sweeping and systematic fashion 2nd the investigation did not establish that members of the tribe campaign conspired with the russian government in its election interference activities we did not address collusion which is not a legal term rather we focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy and it was not 3rd our investigation of efforts to obstruct the investigation and lie to investigators was of critical importance obstruction of justice strikes at the core of the government's effort to find the truth and to hold wrongdoers accountable finally as described in volume 2 of our report we investigated a series of actions by the president towards the investigation. he's done justice
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department policy and principles of fairness we decided we would not make a determination as to whether the president committed a crime that was our decision then and it remains our decision today let me safe a further word about my appearance today it is unusual for a prosecutor to testify about a criminal investigation and given my role as a prosecutor there are reasons why my testimony of testimony will necessarily be limited 1st public testimony could affect several ongoing matters in some of these matters court rules or judicial orders limit the disclosure of information to protect to protect the fairness of the proceedings and consistent with longstanding justice department policy it would be inappropriate for me to
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comment in any way that could affect an ongoing matter 2nd the justice department has asserted privileges concerning investigative information and decisions ongoing matters within the justice department and deliberations within our office these are justice department privileges that i will respect the department has released a letter discussing the restrictions on my testimony i therefore will not be able to answer questions about certain areas that i know are of public interest for example i am unable to address questions about the initial opening of the f.b.i.'s russia investigation which occurred months before my appointment or matters related to the so-called steel dossier these matters are subject of ongoing review by the department any questions on these topics should therefore be directed to the f.b.i.
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or the justice department as i explained when we closed the special counsel's office in may our report contains our findings. and analysis and the reasons for the decisions we made we conducted an extensive investigation over 2 years in writing the report we stated the results of our in investigation with precision we scrutinized every word and do not intend to summarize or describe the results of our work in a different way in the course of my testimony today as i said on may 29th the report is my testimony and i will stay within that text and as i stated in may i will not comment on the actions of the attorney general or of congress i was appointed as a prosecutor and i intend intend to adhere to that role and to the department
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standards that govern it be joined today by deputy special counsel aarons edley. has extensive experience as a pro a federal prosecutor and at the f.b.i. where he served as my chief of staff mr is a mr sedley was responsible for the day to day oversight of the investigations conducted by our office and i also want to again say thank you to the attorneys it b i agents the analysts the professional staff who helped us conduct this investigation in a fair and independent manner these individuals who spent nearly 2 years working on this matter were of the highest integrity let me say one more thing over the course of my career i have seen a number of challenges to our democracy the russian government's effort to
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interfere in our election is among the most serious as i said on may 29th this deserves the attention of every american thank you mr chairman thank you we will now proceed on to the 5 minute rule with questions i would begin by recognizing myself for 5 minutes. director mueller the president has repeatedly claimed that your report found there was no obstruction and that it completely and totally exonerated him but that is not what your report said is it correct that is not what the report now reading from page 2 of volume 2 of your report it's on the screen you wrote quote if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice we would so state based on the facts and the applicable legal standards however we are unable to reach that judgment close quote now does
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that say there was no obstruction no in fact you were actually able to conclude the president did not commit obstruction of justice is that correct well we. at the outset determined that. when it came to the president culpability. we needed. we needed it we needed to go forward only have to take into account the o l c opinion that indicated that a president a sitting president cannot be indicted so the report did not conclude that he did not commit obstruction of justice correct that is correct and what about total exoneration did you actually totally exonerate the president well now in fact your reports expressly states that it does not exonerate the person it does in your investigation actually found quote multiple acts by the president that were capable
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of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations including the russian interference and obstruction investigations is that correct correct now director mueller can you explain in plain terms what that finding means to the american people can understand it well. the fighting indicate sad. the president. was not. that the president was not as coughing on. exculpated. for the action he allegedly committed in fact you were talking about incidents quote in which the president sought to use his official power outside of usual channels on quote to exert i'm due influence of your investigations is that right that's correct now my correct then on page 7 of volume 2 of your report you wrote quote the president became aware that his own conduct was being investigated in an obstruction of justice inquiry at that point
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the president engaged in a 2nd phase of conduct involving public attacks on the investigation now on public efforts to control it and efforts in both public and private to encourage witnesses not to cooperate with the investigation was quote so president trumps efforts to exert undue influence over your investigation intensified after the president became aware that he personally was being investigated i stick with the language that you have in front of you. which is a front page 7 of volume 2 now is it correct that if you concluded that the president committed the crime of destruction you could not publicly state that in your report or here today and you repeat the question is it correct that if you had concluded that the president committed the crime of obstruction you could not publicly state that in your report or here today i would say you. i
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could see the statement would be that you would not indict and you would not indict because i don't see opinion a sitting president excuse me cannot be indicted be unconstitutional so you could not state that because there was the opinion if that would be you can tell us the opinion. with some guy gets it under d.o.j. under department of justice policy the president could be prosecuted for obstruction of justice crimes after he leaves office is correct ro thank you that any senior white house official refuse requests to be interviewed by you and your team w. cell present i take let me take that back i would have to look at it but i am not certain that that was the case if the president refused requests to be interviewed by you and your team yes yes and is it true that you tried for more than a year to secure an interview with the president yet and is it true that you and your team advised the president's lawyer that quote an interview with the president
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is vital to our investigation. yet and is it true that you also state quote stated that it is in the interest of the presidency in the public for an interview to take place yes but the president still refused to sit for an interview by you or your team drove through and did you also ask him to provide written answers to questions on the 10 possible episodes of obstruction of justice crimes involving him yet did he provide any answers to a single question about whether he engaged in obstruction of justice crimes i would have to check on that i'm not certain i can mother we are grateful that you are here to explain your investigation findings have interviewed your work i believe anyone else would engage in the conduct described in your report would have been criminally prosecuted your work is vitally important to this committee and the american people because no one is above the law. and the right and i recognize the gentleman from georgia mr count. thank you mr we're moving on
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though understand this router in the 5 minute rule mr moeller i have several questions many of which you just answer will be gun question here in a moment but i want to play some foundations that will go through these fairly quickly i'll talk slowly i'm said that i call fast i'll talk slow thank you so in your press conference you stated any testimony from your office would not go beyond our report we chose these words carefully the work speaks for itself i would not provide information beyond that which is already public in any appearance before congress do you stand by that statement yes this is close in special counsel's office in may of 20 not jane have you conducted any additional interviews or obtained any new information in your role as special counsel and in the in the wake of the records since the since the closing of the office in may of 20 knotting and the question was if you do not get any new interviews new any new witnesses anything and you can confirm you're no longer special counsel correct i am no longer special counsel at any time of the investigation was your investigation perturb or curtailed or stopped or hindered no where you or your team or body any
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questions by members of congress a majority ahead of your hearing today. your report states jervis gave team included 19 lawyers an approximate 40 f.b.i. agents an analyst and count of those numbers accurate or could you repeat that plays 40 f.b.i. agents not tain lawyers intelligence analysts in forensic accounting so those numbers are accurate this is a political report generally yes is it also true that you issued over 22800 subpoenas executed nearly 500 search warrants of time more than 230 order for communication records and 50000 registered that went a little fast for me ok in your report made this very simple you did a lot of work wrecked that i agree lot of subpoenas a lot of banter and i have subpoenas i will walk is really a lot of when i search warrants and it's a. lot like so you buried. there what your opinion very thorough you listed this out in europe or correct yes thank you. is it true they haven't gathered during
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your investigation of that given the questions that you just answered is it true the evidence gathered during your best to gauge and did not establish that the president was involved in the underlying crime related to russian election interference as stated in volume one page 7 we found insufficient evidence of. the president's call culpability. so that would be yes without all that b.s. yes thank you isn't it true the evidence did not establish that the president or those close to him were involved in the charge russian computer hacking or active measure conspiracies or that the president of the laws had unlawful relationships with any russian official volume 2 page 76 correct i mean the answer to the report one of the yes is that any true investigation did not establish that members of the drunk campaign conspired or coordinated with russian government in the election interference activity volume one page 2 volume one page 173 thank you yes yes thank you although your report states coalition is not so specific i fancy and you've
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said that this morning or a term of art in federal criminal law of conspiracy is in the colloquial tahn té it's our collusion and conspiracy essentially synonymous terms you have to repeat that for me glues in is not a specific offense or a term of art in the federal criminal law conspiracy is in the colloquial context known public contents collusion collusion and conspiracy are essentially synonymous terms correct. if no on page 180 of volume one of your report you wrote as defined in legal dictionaries collusion is largely synonymous with conspiracy as that crime is set forth in a general federal conspiracy statute 18 u.s.c. 371 and you said at your may 29th press conference and here today you choose your words carefully are you sitting here today testifying something different than what your report states. well what i'm asking is if you can give me the citation i can
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look at the citation and. evaluate whether it is ok let me just be clear from you cited that you would say within a report i just stated your report back to you and you said that collusion and collusion conspiracy were not synonymous terms that was your answer was no in that page 188 of volume one of your report it's since as defined in a legal dictionaries collusion is largely synonymous with conspiracy as a crime is set forth in general conspiracy statute 18 u.s.c. 371 now you said you chose your words carefully are you contradicting your report right now when i read it so you change your answer to yes then you know. if you look at the language i'm reading your reports are it's a yes or no answer page 180 page 180 volume one this was from your report record and i. leave it with the report so the report says yes they are synonymous
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hopefully for finally out of your own report we can put to bed the collusion conspiracy one last question is we're going through did you ever look into other countries investigated in the russians for interference in our election what other countries investigated or found knowledge that they hadn't parents our election i'm not i discuss other matters that are you open to many years back be gentle lady from california. director muller as you've heard from the chairman we're mostly going to talk about obstruction of justice today but the investigation of russia's attack that started your investigation is why evidence of possible obstruction is serious to what extent did the russian government interfere in the 2016 presidential election could you repeat that ma'am to what extent that the russian government interfere in the 2016 presidential election. particular when i came to computer crimes and the like the government was implicated so you wrote on in
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volume one that the russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion you also described in your report that that then from campaign chairman paul a man of 4 shared with a russian operative clinic the campaign strategy for winning democratic votes in midwestern states in internal polling data of the campaign isn't that correct correct they they also discussed the status of the trump campaign and man a forward strategy for winning democratic votes in midwestern states months before that meeting man of fort hood caused internal data to be shared with kalanick and the sharing continued for some period of time after their august meeting isn't that correct accurate in fact your investigation found that manaf what briefed kolesnik on the state of the trump campaign and man of ports plan to win the election and that briefing encompassed the campaign's messaging its internal polling data and
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also include discussion of battleground states which man afforded an a fight is michigan wisconsin pennsylvania and minnesota isn't that correct that's right if your investigation determine who requested the polling data to be shared with clinic. i would. direct you to the report and out what we have in the report and with regard to that particularly when we do. and have the redacted version that's maybe another reason why we should get that for by human one based on your investigation how could the russian government have used this campaign polling data to further its sweeping and systematic interference in the 2016 presidential level but out of. half fair enough. did your investigation find that the russian government perceived it would benefit from one of the candidates winning yes and which candidate would that be.
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well it would be prim correct present now the drum campaign wasn't exactly reluctant to take russian help you wrote it expected it would benefit elect tourmalet from information stolen and released through russian efforts isn't that correct that's right now was the investigations a determination rick what was the investigations determination regarding the frequency with which the trump campaign made contact with the russian government. i would have to refer you to the report on that well we went through and we counted 126 car contacts between russians or their agents and trump campaign officials or their associates so with that sound about right. i can't say i understand this statistic and. believe it or fantasy that if it well mr miller i appreciate your being here and your report
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from your testimony and the report i think the american people have learned several things 1st the russians want to trump when 2nd the russians went on a sweeping cyber influence campaign the russians hacked the d.n.c. and they got the democratic game plan for the election. the russian campaign chairman met with russian agents and repeatedly gave them internal data whole line and messaging in the battleground states so while the russians were buying ads and creating propaganda the influence the outcome of the election they were armed with inside information that they had stolen through hacking from the d.n.c. and they had been given by the trump campaign chairman mr mann afford my client how leagues will probe the efforts undertaken to keep this information from becoming
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public but i think it's important for the american people to understand the gravity of the underlying problem that your report uncovered and with that mr chairman i would yield back you nowhere. good morning director if you let me quickly summarize your opening statement this morning he said in volume one on the issue of conspiracy the special counsel determined that the investigation did not establish that members of the trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the russian government its election interference activities and then in volume 2 for reasons that you explain the special counsel did not make a determination on whether there was an obstruction of justice crime committed by the president is that fair. right now in explaining that special counsel did not make what you called a traditional prosecution of declamation decision the report on the bottom of page 2 of volume 2 reads as follows the evidence we have tamed about the president's
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actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred accordingly while this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime it also does not exonerate him out i read that correctly yes right now your report and today you said at all times the special counsel team operated under was guided by and followed justice department policies and principles so which d.o.j. policy or principle sets forth a legal standard that investigated person is not exonerated if their innocence from going to criminal conduct is not conclusively determine and you repeat the last part of that question yeah which d.o.j. policy or principle set forth a legal standard that investigated person is not exonerated if their innocence from criminal criminal conduct is not conclusively determined. is that language come from director where is the d.o.j. policy that says that. can you let me make it easier it is there is
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a go at it can you give me an example other than donald trump where the justice department determined that an investigative person was not exonerated because their innocence was not conclusively determine. i cannot but this is unique ok well you can't time it short i've got 5 minutes let's just leave it you can't find it because i'll tell you why it doesn't exist the special counsel job nowhere does it say that you were to conclusively determine donald trump's innocence or that the special counsel report should determine whether or not to exonerate him it's not in any of the documents it's not in your appointment order it's not in the special counsel regulations it's not in the o l c opinions it's not the justice manual and it's not the principles of federal prosecution no where do those words appear together because respectfully respectfully director it was not the special counsel's job to conclusively determine donald trump's innocence or to exonerate him because the bedrock principle of our justice system is a presumption of innocence exist for everyone everyone is entitled to it including
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sitting presidents and because there is a presumption of innocence prosecutors never ever need to conclusively determine it now director the special counsel applied this inverted burden of proof that i can't find and you said doesn't exist anywhere in the department policies and you used it to write a report and the very 1st line of your report the very 1st line of your report says and you as you read this morning it authorizes a special counsel to provide the attorney general with a confidential report explaining the prosecution of declamation decisions reached by the special counsel that's the very 1st word of your report right that's correct here's the problem director the special counsel didn't do that. i'm volume one you did volume 2 with respect to potential of obstruction of justice the special counsel made neither a prosecution decision or
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a declaration decision you made no decision you told us this morning and in your report that you made no determination so respectfully director you didn't follow the special counsel regulations it clearly says write a confidential report about decisions reached no where in here does it say write a report about decisions that weren't reached you wrote $180.00 pages $180.00 pages about decisions that were reached about potential crimes that weren't charged or decide it and respectfully respectfully by doing that you managed to violate every principle and the most sacred of traditions about prosecutors not offering extra prosecutorial analysis about potential crimes that are charged so americans need to know this as they listen to the democrats and socialists on the other side of the aisle as they do dramatic readings from this report that.


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