tv Inside Story 2020 Ep 14 Al Jazeera January 15, 2020 10:32am-11:01am +03
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stories one o one east on al-jazeera. a dire warning about the state of our planet our oceans a hotter than they've ever been and that spells trouble for us all with more floods droughts and fears of storms as well as a greater loss of marine life the alarm bells are ringing in the wild the biggest polluters listening this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program dennis that we're becoming quite used to getting bad news on climate change the latest warning our oceans a warming and that will bring fast sea temperatures last year with the highest on
record have been going up every year for the past decade the sea absorbs small the 90 percent of the woman gases that come from burning fossil fuels scientists say the extra heat produced is equal to every one of us running a 100 microwave ovens all day will missy's need more intense storms droughts floods and wildfires like those burning in australia right down. well despite all of these alarms about the climate crisis we're releasing more greenhouse gases than ever the un's weather agency last year recorded the highest level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. illinois. writes let's introduce our panel now we have one tomo sin in doha he's an assistant professor of northwestern university here in katter who researches energy and the environment in hamburg in germany we have
a hiker festa she's director of marine programs at the world wildlife fund and in london we have coal nearly a man who's an energy economists and c.e.o. of meyer resources welcome to you all 1st let me come to you though hiker because the temperature of the oceans is as i understand it a much more accurate measure of the climate crisis that we're going through at the moment. yes that's because the surface of the ocean catches most of the heat which is trumped by the increased greenhouse gases and this has to have include the global weather and climate patterns and could there be any other explanation for the rising temperatures in our oceans other than human activity in the release of greenhouse gas emissions what we have or what we what we observed in the past is that we have regular upcoming warming in when's in the ocean which is cold and then
you and i am pretty sure that most of the people have heard about that but the frequency or the increase in temperature which are measured right now and which the data which were published are indicating that this changed a lot due and this is really related to the increase in greenhouse gas emissions and it's manmade right in that we've already mentioned some of the a calamities that are likely to befall massai the severe weather patterns and the disruption to the established seasons and whatnot is there anything good that can result from warmer ocean temperatures. well i need to think about watergate and be some good in it not well what we know is that we would what we will face is a shift in patterns for example if stocks so they might change their their migration routes so we will half guessed in the noise the warmer water like you
know for example but if this is good for economy or people that's what i would doubt because this fish is coming from somewhere and it's it's will be missed in that area right coming to you now here in doha now you're from indonesia you research these these matters indonesia is a country as we know the start of the year was was afflicted by terrible flooding wasn't it and yet into these areas still cited by some scientists is being perhaps the 5th largest emitter of greenhouse gases maybe the 11th but it's still a heavy emitter of greenhouse gases largely as a result of a shift in land use is i believe yes that's true and in asia. receive a lot of money of rain in the. under 1st day of this new year in capital cities or carter. was flooded as a result of that but that's not just because of climate change there are
a number of other factors that contributed to the flooding but. the statistics that you mention indonesia being one of the top largest emitters of carbon dioxide. come not only from factories cars. other carbon dioxide typical carbon dioxide emitters of the country in an easier has been . losing a lot of its forests forests as oceans as carbon sinks well so so sorry and they're not losing them they're being cut down right. correct yes they're being cut down there being a shifted. and made into palm oil plantations in many places in the country right and yet in indonesia an official policy is a voluntary reduction to reduce its emissions by 26 percent by this year 2020 how's
it doing on that how how far how much progress is it making on that it that number i think was an earlier commitment in 2015 the country revised its commitment it will try to reduce carbon it mysen by 29 percent. by 2030 on its own in 41 percent and using international collaboration i mean. if we look at the entire. country. as far as efforts to reduce that climate change there needs to be more efforts i mean there is the there are still there have been some. concrete. results that happen on the ground and for that i mean for example in jakarta in an effort to reduce car carbon use there is a public transportation but again. a lot of indonesia's forests have been cut down
for a timber and palm oil plantation that still needs to be address right and coming to cornelia in london it's amazing to many people around the world the fact that we've identified these calamities befalling so many different parts of the world many of those calamities are being attributed to climb the climate crisis and yet our emissions are going up they were recorded last year is being at its highest ever and the biggest culprits all those is at most developed nations why is that. well i it's not just those most developed nations china is also a big culprit as is india and i would say if you have a global problem and nothing is a more global problem than climate you need global solutions so it the united nations for framework conference on climate change un f c c c which holds the cop
conference this is really a it would be a good mechanism but what happened is we saw that in 2018. donald trump said he would be leaving the paris agreement the paris accord on climate change which came from cop $21.00 and we saw that with with with the latest corp in the madrid that without the largest economy on board it was really hard to come to conclusions and this global problem needs a global solution and one of the things that's really really important is that we have say that we've we have a global price for carbon you're for carbon trading because nothing works especially with industry better than if you have it then you if you gift them the financial incentives but wasn't paris or wasn't paris meant to be the start of a global solution there was so much jubilation wasn't there the time in 2015 you remember it well that was supposed to be the start of something really significant
yet it was a start of something with equivalent any get it took the u.s. it took the obama administration who really really you know sort of controlled people to get it to get there once you have the biggest economy out it is really really hard to find to find other economists to find to find that consensus what you seen out a stat on them that on the investment side you see more and more did this sort of the e.s.a. she the environmentalists and governance investment stream is the fastest growing investment stream you also seem. sure and companies especially reinsure are saying ok we will not we will not support certain things anymore like coal burn unit we swiss re have said we won't do that anymore and that's a double whammy because they have huge investment portfolios plus once you can't insure something anymore it's getting much harder to to to to to be active in that right hike a can you see
a solution to the problem as cornelia points out china is actually officially the biggest emitter most of that something like 75 percent of those emissions coming from coal the burning of coal can you understand china's argument china saying there's a global economic slowdown it needs to stimulate its economy so it needs to go full steam ahead no matter what that is the main objective for the chinese is really to get their economy going again therefore they're burning more coal well see i'm coming from an ocean's pursed back to fall on the issue so and if you and if you look on what climate change and warming of oceans mean to ocean ecosystems so it's hard to understand why politicians don't arc cost and rep at this necessary all coastal habitats like one who horus seagrass bats coral reefs so what they will be harmed by and there are any emissions scenario which we have if it is $1.00
degrees increase or 2 percent a 2 degree increase so even for coral reefs that me per the or closer look on that one so the predict an is that with an increase of $1.00 the degree of coral reefs will be under threat you might lose 70 to 90 percent of our homes but under a scenario 2 degree increase we will lose 99 percent and that's something so we shouldn't put on risk right coming to you and. as corny. pointed out china is the biggest emitter but do you understand the perspective coming from developing economy is there their contention is that you in the west the more developed economies you've had your time you've done your policing give us a chance to catch up and then not terribly pleased with the green fund the richer
countries as supposed to be contributing to this fund in order to allow the developing countries to make to make appropriate adapt adaptations in order to fulfil their commitments and parasitical so there's a lot of nks if you like isn't there with regard to the application of paris well i do i do understand the perspective that you mention which is why i think the more developed economies in the richer countries the richer economies should do more but china you mentioned china there's been a lot of. movement in progress in china itself i don't know if you notice in generating electricity using more renewable energy sources solar panels for example the chinese have been. receiving or experiencing the impacts of climate change in particular air pollutions in many of
their cities and they want to cleaner air so they've been doing something about that yet but they've still given approvals to to 5 times the number of coal mines for the 1st half of this year and as as you point out evolutionism is a massive problem let me come to you and let's talk a little bit about norway because in many ways no way is it a pitted mises doesn't it this could contradiction that many of the richer countries has one of the richest countries in the world of course and a huge the biggest i think sovereign wealth fund which comes from oil and gas doesn't and yet it's a great green innovator. yes a great green innovator and it's the sovereign wealth fund is no longer in allow to invest in oil and gas but that has also that's also for reasons of diversification . and you see a lot of the european countries you saw the u.k. coming out saying we want to be c o 2 emissions neutral by 2050 you saw austria coming out and we want
the wanting to be the get there by 2040 and we see. the mrs underlines new green deal where she wants to be wants to have europe as a 1st quire emissions neutral continent by 2050 that's all nice but really again it's a global problem it needs a global solution and when you come to china again. your colleague our colleague from indonesia is absolutely right i mean you know they they are really in terms of research for for we knew a couple steps they're doing very well but you can see that they have asked the economy was slowing to have sort of put less money into more expensive sources of energy and gone back to coal that does that price the wrong behaviors all in all i think what we really need to do a piece of work that needs to be undertaken globally is we need to look at all the
sources of a that she for the whole life cycle from you know producing them to decommissioning them and say what is really the environmentalists impact only one 5th on this part piece of work do we really know can we really can the policymakers really make the right really haven't we social media have we not passed that stage have we not established the damage the amount of damage that is being done and is is to come in in the future if we continue these existing emission levels have we don't establish that absolutely absolutely we have to. on that but we also need to look what we have not done is looked at that with the various sources of energy what decommissioning is you know decommissioning of solar panels decommissioning of we really need to look at it in order to find the right energy mix we need to do something but we need to do it in an educated way and i think policymakers tend to
sort of rush into one thing and then find out it's it was the wrong thing so we really need to do that and absolutely we need to do something and we need to use the existing multilateral framework like the un f c c c and you know the co-op mechanism to get that done and in that sense we do need the united states back in the fold right i'm a hiker coming to you i started off the program by mentioning the fact that we get to a plethora of climate warnings on a regular basis is there a danger do you think among the general population of a kind of information overload and people becoming slightly a new good if you like to the to the dangerous of climb the climate crisis i mean do you think that's a possibility i'm not sure about that honestly i would say so we can't. we conned. all. over talk about the effects of
climate change on oceans and on people in general see the poles are male clean but here's our melting so the sea level rises a lot storms increase on the other hand droughts and wildfires increase o.-p. people are directly impacted by climate change so it's not that we talk any longer about something that might happen with the next or the after the next generation is coming so the predictions are for 2015 already that millions of people will be impacted by the sea level rise fish stocks are shifting so people lose in and so we lose. enormous important habitats to protect our coastline so that we really think all those people will stay in the regions facing such horror scenarios for their lives so will be coming worse so if you
don't act and what we urgently need to do is to cut down emissions right. coming from indonesia you'll really relate to that when she because i mean jakarta is sinking we understand and in fact there's this to be a new capital for indonesia indonesia and people on the whole do they accept the issue of climate the climate crisis or do they attribute some of these extreme weather events that they've had to endure do they attribute those to to other things to any sort of any other kinds of causes or factors they attributed to other causes as well one of them is the poor water management and infrastructure in the city but on average there where of climate change i think just like many many people in the world today but what i have found for. my experience teaching professor i teach this issues in my classes even the.
rich person an average student is aware of this biggest issue that we are facing right now. many don't necessarily know in details some of the impacts that we already experiencing for example island nations in the pacific for example seeing a sea level rise or for that matter. they feel that they could not do anything on the individual level to help address this issue so i agree with cornelia that this is a global issue and it's a global solution but we cannot i think just rely on multilateral international solutions i think regionally blocks such as the european union say on in southeast asia where we have g.c.c. here but that's not quite functioning right now unfortunately need to also do
address this issue also at the national level communal level and individual level and many think that you know as an individual you know we can't really do much but i would disagree with that and again it's and again i'm told give me an example then of how of how you live how it's changed your habits and your family yeah for example i mean i've been trying to use more of public transportation in cities i've lived in the past i've lived in new york city i've lived in singapore they have great public transportation system instead of using cars for example here in doha you know the doha matter is just opened. a learning of the 3 lines that we have that's what i teach this issue in my classes to make more students aware of this issue and i. i keep being updated with the.
with the news and. proposed solutions of this climate change one that i would like to mention for example or i but make it quick please enter we have running out of time sure is an article by bill mckibben his climate activist author. and co-founder of the tree 50 that or can move mn he recently wrote an article in the new yorker saying basically that you know maybe individually we can choose which banks we want to bank with because sarai are underwriting hora because companies get the idea thanks for that and hike and how does how does this whole crisis impact you and your family as as individuals i mean how does it shape your lives while i do have children are and what is the teenager's so she's very much engaged in credit her future her example and being an environmentalist on my working life so i thought that we that i already try to do
a lot which is challenging us a real day and this is really good to see so we change for example how we eat so like me and milk products that decreasing part of our nutrition so you can do every individual has to change its behavior so we all have to contribute even if the solution lies on a global level but if we don't start over serves how do we think how long should we wait until condition until police act right and loss where to you cornelia i won't ask you if you've given up meat but will all skew whether it is within our lifetime that we will see an end or a significant reduction of our alliance upon fossil fuels you think 282-050-2060. i think we will see we will see it we will see if we will not see an end to fossil fuels you know oil demand is still growing by according to the i.a.e.a.
1200000 barrels a day and it's going to go on but i think we will see these fuels being more efficiently used we will see we will see we will see we will try to reduce them wherever we can and you know again you know public transport just good it's getting away from that consumerism when you look at our forefathers they didn't eat as much meat as we are eating they didn't buy as many clothes fast fashion by the way fast fashion you know that the. stars emit just as much c o 2 as all air travel combined so you know we. we need to sort of look at our consumption pack the patterns throughout the board that's right because otherwise this is also climate change is also a security risk when 100 that there are reports as 150000000 people will lose stair homes by will homes by by 2050 i think it will be more if you have these
refugees streams those are security risks i think we would be well advised to to look at how how we live our lives or write a perfect note on which to end thank you very much indeed and to most in in doha. in hamburg and canadian my in london thank you very much indeed. and as ever thank you for watching the program if you'd like to see it again you can go to the web site al jazeera dot com if you want some last question as i suspect you might there's a facebook page facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story and there's a to it is fair i had liz at a.j. inside story i'm at this for me and the whole team here in doha is by for now.
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