tv The Stream 2020 Ep 19 Al Jazeera February 6, 2020 11:32am-12:01pm +03
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politics and policy is a matter of fact on the world. hi anthony ok and you in the stream today is the united states deporting salvadorians to death. new human rights watch report highlighting violence out of use many face falling deportation you can share your thoughts on this issue tweet us at a.j. stream or leave a comment in our live chat q. rating it right now as i speak. in the stream. ringback andrea i'm an attorney with. the center we want to end and family separation and you're in. the u.s. government's hardening immigration policies putting fountains of deported salvadorians at risk of death or abuse that's according to the new york based human
rights watch for many deporting readjusting to life in el salvador is a struggle particularly for those who are tending to a country they have had very little connection with since birth and it can be that lack of connection that puts them in harm's way human rights watch identified more than 200 cases of violence aimed at deportees $138.00 of those who were killed joining us to discuss this in san francisco california allison parker she's the mother director of human rights watch us program she also co-author of the new report on the plight of salvadorian deportees incense salvador el salvador pastor will go is he runs a shelter that helps deportees and those fleeing gang violence also in sense of a door he was deported from united states in 27 we are not using his last name for protection reasons good to have you here everybody at have you in the conversation
allison i'm just looking at the tweet that you shared about the new human rights watch report and you talked about the number of cases of people who are in danger who were deported and then it goes on more than 70 others were beaten sexually assaulted extorted or tortured this is horrific how is this happening alison. well it's happening because el salvador is a country struggling with a major security and human rights problem but deeper to use in particular are at severe risk as you said in your opening people who have lived a long time in the united states are it hate risk sometimes for extortion at the hands of gangs but our report also highlights the cases of people who fled to mystic violence or sexual violence and are being to court right back into the hands of those same abusers 70 different kinds of situations that the people to be from the u.s. and then taken to el salvador do you cover all of those different situations in the
report we do and you're right it mean it's there salvadorans living in the united states with a variety of legal status is to get a really relevant right now because they affect some 220000 salvadorans are temporary protected status and which is for people who are in the united states as children the childhood ministration has said they want to and both of those so that some $220000.00 people who could be at risk of return but the others are people who have fled abuse and that's how they were trying to come to the u.s. and claim asylum we've seen the champ administration is really trying to hit this rate the rate to seek asylum and those people are being returned in some cases right back into the hands of their persecutors i wanted you to a young man called dillon he was in a witness documentary that we showed on the atmosphere of court el salvador
deportees welcome i went to look to see what he has in his hand it is just a solo plastic bag this is his experience of ending up in el salvador after being deported from the united states have a look. listen. i never was expecting to arrive down here you are. a program no memories of being here when i was your. little. i. i.
ask i'm looking at dylan that he's got a single white plastic bag the last time is in el salvador was when he was 5 and you can relate to that because when you were deported and elsom you'd been in south i think you were talking you were to his out right just yes it was and me see that it just brought back so many memories of when i landed here. at 42 years old after the the solid gold of this 2 years old and it just brought back memories that is terrifying called coming over here because it's a country we did not know and as soon as you call me by bit by having places just tools guns loaded tools the police are already looking at me as a target you know they are really looking at me as a mom i'm a person there's going to comment and those lines they don't take a chance to get to normal to give me some feel like no nor do you have someone to
call you know because he's always for you how do you change the one changed there are some element of the salvatore makes you automatically i'm like travis you know you come. to do nothing but bad things that is not the coon militia take the time to get to know was there and where we were we stand at that point in time nor not i'm thankful for the hope that is follow me because if it wasn't for them the truth i don't know where i would be either jail already dead because the nooses states and this very terrifying. situation by missing dylan and his j ok my memories yes that is just a little bag that's your life that's a how do you end up being deported and you have a back how is that possible what happened because you were in prison a little before you get the body. you used to always does the only things you have
right there you know you don't want whatever you had their little badness which you had over there that's what you come. well you also experience deportation and any change that experience into helping other people what do you remember about being taken back to el salvador what happened. well you was. it was horrifying experience. me taken to the u.s. when i was you live in grown up there in the states you know going to a limb and 3 high school junior high and then out of nowhere you know they tell you that they're going to be poor you it's very shocking. i feel that it was unfair you know the fact that i will most of my life in the states and that i'm always gets people where you are arrested and see your legal status and they tell you that you cannot be there anymore so from one day to the next just being on the plane you know seen the difference between the sea life to
a bunch of mountains in horses and cows very shocking you know. what is that well that's scary. i hear nothing but it's sort of rueful laugh to something as simple as speaking spanish right but you know i mean he speaks spanish so well he speaks spanish but in el salvador why is it different it's a different action you know mexican spanish or spain spanish it's 2 different spanish i guess just the acts and the definition of the words is different i guess imma just go back to alison alison hey i'm just looking at a little clip a little from this human rights report and you are saying that people are paying to pull back to not just difficulties because they don't know a country but to danger so here we have a story about 3 children including this isn't of osca interview oscar was 15 years
old just scinto was shot dead in public just 2 weeks after the interview the family believes gang members to be responsible for the killing. between houses and. ok what are those very tangible dangers that you feel people are being left to experience by themselves. yeah i'm so glad you highlighted that case because i was thinking about ask her the other asker. now i'm thinking about the asker who's with me on the show but i was thinking about him when i saw dillard's case because you know we're talking about children and askers case he preferred to speak in english he had been living in a midwestern states was hoping to go back there and continue his studies and instead 2 weeks after my coauthor on this report interviewed him. his dad
just scinto was shot dead. and what this does is it's it creates a situation where of course a family is mourning the loss of their loved ones but they're also in fear for their own lives. and you just have to connect it back to the trumpet ministration and its current policies as well because under the trumpet ministration the attorney general has tried to limit who can get asylum in the u.s. and it specifically said that people who are fearful because their family members are targeted. should no longer be able to get asylum i mean this is illegal under international law and it's also in humane when you think about a young person like oscar the fact that he lost his mother. and that now the united states is saying we won't protect him either and so he'll have to live in hiding
because his family is under threat see well there's a word that you use about these deportations from the u.s. to our sofitel just one word tell our audience what that one word is how would you describe them. but i will say it's unfair. i would say most of the guys when they come down here what they have is fear fear of the salvadoran culture because it's known for being sold by and in you know when you are in the states and you watch documentaries such as the discovery channel or you know those those documentaries the show on t.v. . the 1st thing that comes to your mind is when i get down there i'm either going to get chopped up now or i'm going to get killed by the by the authorities or gangs are going to get ahold of me and i'm going to end up dead or missing because a lot of people be missing over here when once you come down here and you don't know your surroundings you have no family waiting for you. if that happened is i would stick fear that's a fear but here we can all watch t.v. and be scared by t.v.
. is that realistic fear yes it is a very unrealistic here because you've been brought to a country you don't know nothing about so you go is in the wild by the ones. we see you know is going to have you on until you want to disappear there's only 2 things you really have while you're still the fear is there and this is really very real i've lived the noise i live is now because of my face it says that the policies they must go to my house take me out take me somewhere it done oh he's just another gang members today but he don't know that i've changed my life already that i changed my life to christ not that i said they don't see that because they can't get past the tools right because you were also you were in prison and so. there's a difficult area but once you've done the time for the crime then you should be so
that you should be just treated like every other citizen. yes or as i grew up. in the states you know there is this you give me a chance to to show them that i had to change their presence change we just were prisoners of war for people to become part of the society suggests let me put this team because people watching you on your ship right now so. says why should the west care about my clients why should they be concerned about what happens to people from el salvador and move to the u.s. and then get taken back to our sofitel for multiple reasons why should the west care about here can i ask yeah well he will he ask me that 2nd. it's a very simple question whether we deport ts or or from different nationalities you know you still a human being you know i'm saying it doesn't change that the fact that you are
human you have family you have feelings i mean you name choose to go to the states i never chose to go to the states and they would chose to come back over here i just grew up in a different environment you know and i'm coming back over here is the results of the bad decisions that others made for me. go has one of the yes i mean you are on line why should they have empathy for you i agree will because we're human you know we all make mistakes. only person in this world has ms has made a mistake and really great those mistakes we made in case you care about others because we're human it's just human nature to care bus anybody else. will when i ask you a very popular right now again here on you change the conversation happening john says salvadorian people need to clean their own closet america can't do that for
them i need to make el salvador safe for its own people immigration isn't the answer for the horror of living standards well well i got something to say about that. i believe that us at the beginning was part of the problem you know because most of our families fled this country because of the civil war and us was involved during the civil war now this is the aftermath of the civil war you know all these people to lead this country went into the us is joining gangs or whatever now are back what we hear it's a product of that is that we saw their migration you know so i believe they have some type of responsibility in this whole ordeal i think was very important to talk about well is the fact that you're not just sitting there waiting for someone to help you you are helping other people i want to show you some of the things that you are doing. a dad and a son here who is a deportee you're helping this particular family and then the kind of help that you
didn't get when you were deported there's there's a home or a shelter that you're looking after deportees because you know how tough it is when they end up back in el salvador so what are you doing the other people could also be doing to help the situation with people ending up in a country they really are. you know i will to be honest with you will little bit resources what we have is a little program where we see the poor teach those they have no family those that are going around homeless those they have no help we take them into our shelter we provide a secure place a place where they can sleep if they have family they can bring their families we have a little bakery where they could generate a little bit of income you know all working them at the same job. alison you off that this report with a co-author and i really want to bring her into this conversation because she talks about a story that we need jumped out of her and i believe even just giving
a little bit of a teaser for that story a little bit earlier on because she did a multiple interview in order to understand what was happening to the fourteen's so this is elizabeth talking about one experience that really stated have my one interview have a look i had received the call right oh she. doesn't think in 2014 to be based from else they are interviewing children and families about why her leaving at the time and the only interview going they're going in english were father and i had lived in the united states for 7 years and what came out is that they were migrating because they were being extorted and they had been put in mexico and were going to try to get into it you know that. unfortunately here he was a factory bother with killing and bribe the late on and the community feeling and it made me really angry. because it's something that shouldn't happen and
that young man had to separate from his family and mom and he's going to separate as well and even today really you know 6 years on and they're separated and they're on the rhine and afraid and they don't have their father. i was new very very clear carrying our conversation that you playing the trumpet ministrations they should be doing handling the situation better we should also say that the previous administration also supported our salvadorians to say it's not just about present trump present a bomb or also did something very very similar so what are your recommendation to having shared this report with the well to people understand what is happening to some deportees heading from the us back into el salvador what should happen next out of the how do you fix this well it's very simple the u.s. authorities need to take into account the extraordinary risks that salvadorans may face if they're deported and that opportunity but speaking it meant to everyone
regardless of their legal status regardless of whether or not they've finished serving their sentence for a crime regardless of whether they hold t.p.s. that came as a child or they're standing at the u.s. border anyone who faces death or abuse in el salvador should have a chance to explain that to u.s. authorities and you're absolutely right under the obama administration they weren't afforded that opportunity but i must say the trump administration has made things incredibly worse. the trump administration is now forcing people to wait in dangerous mexican border towns in order to make us filing claims we have documented case of salvadorans who spent kidnapped from those towns where they're just trying to find safety in the united states or at least have an authority here in their claim so that means to start. the decisions that have tried to narrow silo
to eliminate family based arguments you know saying hey my dad is targeted i'm fearful for my life. people who are fleeing gangs people who are fleeing because they're women or have been targeted because of their gender all of those kinds of cases need to be heard by the united states and that means the attorney general has to reverse recent decisions trying to narrow those cases ok so. i want to share some empathy with you also on you tube because the conversations going back and forth regarding deportees elizabeth says that she met some people from el salvador last summer they talked about how difficult life is there we have resources to help but we are putting our money where it should go i'm wondering will you are setting an example for programs that could help deportees what are other thermal 40 still in el salvador are they also helping deportees is an issue for them. well actually
right now as for right now i have no knowledge of any programs or are government funded. while we have this little efforts such as the one we're running though we hear oscar already named it the name of it is footsteps i hope and it's little efforts like this the only ones out there are being involved in trying to help our people that gets the port it because once people get to the port it they become victims you know they become victims of this society victims of discrimination and sting that station because they have a wrecker a background or just for the simple fact of being deported so i believe that governments are should try to imply or apply. new new programs threat they try to they should try to invest their resources in creating good programs for people when they get over here. do you feel that you are a victim right now to feel that you somehow he managed to friend the changes
a big deportation and made a new life in the south yes of course or to a victim or rear because i think it is you know lucky to get a job because they were a little calmer lingle but i can't put that to use because they just seem to medically i think they're worse you know but this is a time to get to know you know not all the politics. to do but it's that the government should take time to to help us don't don't just instead of trying to or little sob to push down more than we've just parties have a lot to offer this country but the goal one lentulus and you know i think god that . stops a whole family because not like i said before i don't know where i would be. i really don't and. that's the gun issue the more involved in health in this the police. i have to share this with you again on you tube
a variety of opinions which show it c. 100 says when the gangs want your money your income your pay or you your family die if you can't pay than it's you have to run for your life or everybody dies how can we send people back to that that is the human rights question right there how can we send people back to that. exactly and what the trumpet ministration has done with these recent decisions is they're trying to say that that's that fear is not legitimate when we know it's extremely terrifying to live under those circumstances that's one piece of what people are feeling but i think it's really important to also highlight people who have lived for a long time in the united states and obviously it will and oscar can talk about this better than i but they are sometimes perceived as having more resources as being american eyes and therefore just like they've been talking about their stigmatized by their own government but they're also targeted by criminal
organizations who want to extort them want to get those perceived resources out of their pockets and that's a very dangerous life in el salvador it's not that people who aren't supported aren't also suffering from this but the parties are at a heightened risk right us and we're going to leave it that a my laptop a you can see that new human rights report deportee to danger united states deportation policies expose salvadorians to death and to peace alison thank you for joining us we'll osca thank you for sharing your experiences we will and a conversation that thank you for watching and the change we appreciate your conversation as well next time on the street.
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