tv Inside Story 2020 Ep 37 Al Jazeera February 7, 2020 3:32am-4:01am +03
has set up for new military posts to read confrontation between turkey and syria on monday the israeli army says it's sending around a 1000 more soldiers into the occupied west bank after an upsurge in violence in the past 24 hours there been clashes in several cities in the occupied west bank between palestinians and the israeli army after 4 palestinians were shot dead in separate incidents and thousands of iraqi students have rallied in the cities of baghdad and basra to condemn attacks on protesters by supporters of an influential shia cleric demonstrators in tahrir square in baghdad denounced the attacks which left at least 10 people dead although it is all the headlines i'll be back here with more news off the inside story do stay with us on al-jazeera.
the is hereby acquitted of the charges in said articles. donald trump acting approval high after the in each month trial i want this is strengthened from the presidency for america and the rest of the world this is inside story. hello and welcome to the show i'm sammy's a than victory on the impeachment hoax that was how donald trump reacted to the end of his senate trial the us president was charged with abusing power by pressuring ukraine to investigate a political rival then obstructing
a congressional investigation but neither articles of impeachment received enough votes to remove trump from office stock markets in asia and europe rose after the acquittal and trump's approval rating is at a record high of 49 percent according to gallup the democrats are vowing to maintain pressure on the president as hijo castro reports from washington d.c. . it is therefore the outcome was as expected donald trump be and he is here by acquitted of the charges in said articles donald trump only the 3rd u.s. president to be impeached now also the 3rd u.s. president to be acquitted the white house called it full of vindication and exoneration mr romney all but one republican senator voted not guilty on both articles of impeachment the lone defector was mitt romney the utah senator who in 2012 with the republican presidential nominee my faith is at the heart of who i am
romney said in an emotional floor speech his conscience was more important than party loyalty he voted guilty on abuse of power what he did was not perfect no it was a flagrant assault on our electoral rights our national security and our fundamental values a few other republicans said they believe put trump did was wrong but didn't rise to remove all from office others blasted the democrats' efforts to remove the 45th us president i worry about the future of the presidency after what's happened here ladies and gentlemen you will come to regret this whole process all the democrats voted to convict trump on both charges they voiced disappointment after his acquittal but did not admit defeat may yet face further investigation in the democrat controlled house and make no mistake about it the drip drip drip of evidence is going to keep coming out with each new revelation the message to the
house of representatives don't do this again. now with the impeachment officially behind him from conspiring to for the november election whether all this has helped him or hurt him as a candidate is the big question castro al-jazeera washington. let's bring our guests into the show then we have joining us from new york's are aziz professor of law and director of the center on security race and civil rights at rutgers university in new jersey in atlanta jason stanley professor of philosophy at yale university and author of how fascism works and in brussels three's a foul and director of the center for russia europe asia studies welcome to all i could start with jason jason do you think it's undeniable at this point that the peach current process has backfired on the democrats it's left donald trump
strengthened and emboldened rather than battered and weakened our i'd a been pietschmann is always a political process but i think there is a moral demand here for impeachment and the democrats had to do it regardless of the fact so i'm not sure that backfiring is the way but it's like going with the highest approval ratings of 49 percent according to gallup that that's him strengthen doesn't it i don't think that one should think about impeachment necessarily and those charms and also his state of the union address which is right out of the history books was no doubt responsible for part of that bump in his approval rating i wouldn't put that on impeachment process or heart has it demonstrated basically donald trump's ownership of the republican party and all of the political initiative for now. well 1st i want to just comment about the
backfiring question as i agree that it has not backfired on the democrats for a few reasons the 1st it showed to the democratic voters and to the independents and the democrats are not weak they won't be bullied by trump and that they do have a backbone because that's been a criticism of them by their supporters and 2nd expose trump for what many people already knew is that he's a cheater and so even though he didn't get removed by the senate for political reasons because they couldn't the democrats couldn't get the 2 thirds vote and couldn't get 20 republicans to switch parties but they did he did get impeached and he's only the 3rd president u.s. history together against hate to have a hole in it but there may be undeniably some people in the u.s. who see it like that but if his approval rating has risen you know again you have to wonder do all americans or even the majority of americans see him as being exposed will see him as being vindicated. but 35 to 42 percent of independents
supported removing him the you know base from december to now those 35 to 42 percent may act on that desire to remove him by going to the polls which would be a huge advantage to the democrats because ultimately with the polarization of the of the american public it's really the end dependence that are going to call the shots so i think that this is generally a win for the democrats but to answer your question about the republican party what's been quite fascinating and somewhat disturbing is the way in which trump has been able to scare so many moderate republicans who have excess revealed behind the scenes or have leaked information that they think he did abuse his office and that he's had a history in his last 3 years of being a very untraditional if not outright abusive president in terms of his exercising his legal rights and but these moderate republicans are afraid of being kicked out of office because trump is very open in threatening people that he will remove them
if they are not 100 percent loyal so it has been a remarkable of loyalty probably out of fear for trump or let me broaden it since we don't have too many supporters of the u.s. president right now here on this panel let's bring in paul in the past of the global perspective and bring in to reason from a global perspective the world looking into this does the world have to basically calculate going forward saying this is a trump presidency that is in a stronger position for now going into u.s. elections and you've got to make a global calculations on that basis now. well i think 9 months is a very long time in u.s. politics but i think many europeans have perceived that trump would be reelected it's too early to say and we have the biggest black swan of all with the corona virus and how that will impact the global economy because at the end of the day in the u.s. the domestic population domestic politics will trump everything and if their
pocketbooks are suffering the public might opt for a different candidate with the reason we've seen than you mention the economy for example we've seen stock markets global stock markets rise after trump was acquitted is this a sign that at least part of the world economy is saying this stability or clarity at least at this point is good the acquittal is good for the world economy well i think the markets have spoken i mean it's clear that there is clarity now but i think that this kind of bump might not last i think it just is a post in peat everything's clarified now and it's a bump especially after the state of the union but i don't think it will last so we really have to watch and see i think the whole markets have been extremely generally because of the coronavirus issue and we've seen you know destruction demand destruction in the oil sector that was unprecedented so i think that it's
just kind of relief jason i want to pick up on something which is a mention that the europeans at least some of them had already calculated that there might be or there will be a trump when in the next elections how important a development from a you know a global perspective is the emergence of donald trump from this impeachment trial acquitted and with the parent lee high rate of approval how important development in global affairs. it's a strong sign that authoritarianism is popular but authoritarianism works that in the world's oldest democracy are you can get a large number of supporters to resonate with an authoritarian message of. ignoring democratic institutions of engaging in corrupt practices you can get senators and prominent politicians in the world's oldest democracy are to line up
behind a corrupt leader if they show strength then if they show the kind of consistency to 2 estrace i said to punish to punish opposing voices it shows that this works and that's a strong message to authoritarians like modi and both sonar oh and others in our bond across the globe right now so how you of course part of your job description is precisely to focus on some of the issues of civil rights and rule of law are you concerned about where things are heading in terms of constitutional tradition democratic practice in the u.s. as a result of the where impeachment has left the us absolutely and i'm not alone there was a letter that was issued to the senate by hundreds of us legal academics expressing their serious concern with the way in which trump has abused the power of the
presidency and degraded its legitimacy and this is not a partisan issue at least within the legal academy because when you use your office to tell a foreign government to sabotage the election of your primary opposition that is cheating its mainstay standard authoritarian practices is a form of of corrupting the elections but with regard to the middle east which is an area that i study trump has been a boon for middle east authoritarians. whether it's president sisi in egypt whether it's mohamed bin sandman in saudi arabia and many others who have always had pressure from the u.s. to be more democratic to preserve human rights to try to instill a rule of law but where trump has done has given them the green light and said it's ok if you jail your people kill your people. no you do what you did with the
man in the turkish in the saudi embassy in turkey and you and you slice people up which is the most barbaric of all acts and so a trump a saying is you and i are the same i will protect your authoritarian practices and at the same time he is engaging in a very slow and dangerous erosion of u.s. constitutional law and u.s. . traditions and so the real test is going to be the elections in november and it's also going to be i think failure for the rebel comporting because as we saw now with the house elections the house switched from being democrats really from being republican to democrat as a result of the 1st 3 years of drought and i think the senate may switch and if the senate doesn't switch i think trump has a very serious uphill battle in retaining the presidency or let me try and play devil's advocate here and say point out of course republican supporters of the us president would say we disagree with much of that and say you know he has been
cleared of these charges because there wasn't really enough evidence that he'd done something to rise to the level of impeachment and i'm sure they would counter and say you know he's he's spoken out against. instances like the killing of the saudi journalist however teresa from a global perspective looking from outside in again. you know does the world over thought erin is believe that is the world over for tarion ism and the fight against democracy see a different message in in what has happened with the impeachment trial. well there is clearly a democracy deficit going on throughout the world even here in europe we see problems now in poland hungary this idea of a liberal democracy is taking root so it's not a good time anywhere really in the world right now and the u.s. used to be the country you know the shining city on the hill and when people look to it they don't really see that any longer but there is some evidence that
horizontal in terrorism and learns on the job we've seen it's hard to say because we see that donald trump clearly feels far more comfortable with authoritarians with he gets along with them far better than with democratically elected leaders strangely so it's difficult to really understand what that means it's the 1st time a u.s. president has actually been against the e.u. so we see these kind of international institutions that were established after the war based on you know the ashes of the war so the whole liberal international order seems to be eroding and i don't think donald trump is helping it he's more of a symptom than a cause but i think he's kind of contributing to increased weakness of the system in the meantime china is using this advantage while trump donald trump administration pulls away from a lot of these international institutions the chinese kind of are pushing their way and we've seen that especially with the united nations so like they say in hong
kong you know water like water and go everywhere so the chinese are using this kind of u.s. distraction that they're not really working with all these international institutions it's a way for them to increase their their presence there and we see that the trump administration is finally waking up to this because just recently they've appointed a special envoy to the u.n. to try to claw back the lost influence of the u.s. has there now that's a really interesting thought over go ahead jason i was going to come to you anyway . now when we talk about has this how the economy does this how trump we really are obscuring democratic values maybe democracy is on the wane maybe democracy will lose maybe plato will is right and people prefer a strong leader and democracy is too hard and too massy and capital likes authoritarianism capital doesn't like the massiveness of international regulations capital doesn't like labor movements but when we focus on whether this helps the
market whether this helps people on the on the on the sort of race to the election and the power aliments we missed what's fundamental about democracy what's fundamental about democracy is its moral authority and that was what was important about it peter it doesn't matter if it hindered the economy it doesn't matter if it hinders people's chances for the elections it was vital for this to happen or our democratic institutions to say they were still away but do you think that's the message big take that point back to the series and you think that's the message that the world will read into this impeachment process and say yeah you know the moral authority stood up here or will the world say look this is an impeachment process that's ended don't trump is in a stronger position. elections are not that far away age should the will be for paying for more of a u.s. push towards unilateralism undermining of multilateral action of work through the u.n.
and all those things that you were talking about syriza yes i mean i really do think we have to be concerned about a post values world and we're seeing this i mean we've seen for example angela merkel and the crow go to beijing and sign deals even though they know what's going on in chin john or protests in hong kong it doesn't matter it seems that everyone is kind of adopting this kind of post values world i think that we're headed for a very serious. problem right now and we see that money trumps everything so i think that. i way way a chinese artist recently commented that why is the u.k. embracing our way for example when they know their value so this idea of this kind of great power competition between the u.s. and china what we're really missing is that strong moral compass that the u.s. had during the cold war it doesn't really have it now under a leader like donald trump so i think this could be problematic that's very
fascinating the the idea we're hearing from both of our guests in atlanta in brussels of the push towards or the move towards the post value i like that the post value world sovereign new york you've researched your research is covered from times civil rights outside democracy outside of the us from the arab spring to the palestinian issue are we entering a world guided less by the concepts of civil rights human rights and democracy well the middle east has unfortunately not experienced a democratic wave they attempted through the arab spring but i think most analysts will agree that it was a general failure unlike arguably what happened in eastern europe post cold war however the u.s. influence or the u.s. commitment to human rights at least rhetorically and at least officially mitigated many of the authoritarian practices in the region it at least created some red lines as to what authoritarians could do and now there are no red lines and so what
you're seeing is an aggravation of human rights violations and embolden men and many of these dictators which in the long run is going to create more instability there are a number of analysts or do you think that will be the latter more that you will have regimes will draw from the end of this impeachment process and how it ended with such high approval ratings for the us president. that the you know the idea that you guys yes like about n.p.r. they behave moral compass has still. been somehow successful in standing up that's not going to be the message that dictators around the world take away from this right now i think you're correct they'll see trump as much more powerful and they will trust him more and being able to keep his promises that they won't hold hit them accountable however the smarter ones are going to know that there is a possibility that trump will be elected out of office and so they though they might have a wait and see perspective and also the senate might flip there is
a chance the republicans are barely holding on to the senate by just 4 votes or 3 votes ok jason briefly in the fall we go to teresa kok see all wanted to get a word in on this so so it's not clear to me that democracy is up how by being more popular that it's alternative authoritarianism what we're seeing is what political philosophers have said since plato that people like a strong leader authoritarians know that stability doesn't necessarily go together with democracy the forces of capital might be behind authoritarianism everywhere the wall street journal endorsed but also in our 0 nevertheless democratic forces must persist regardless of its popularity regardless of what people think because of the moral authority of the central concepts of democracy of having rule of law ok to raise a. well there is one kind of lone voice in the desert right now we saw mitt romney
bravely speak up for you know values and morals so he's one of the very you know just him and susan collins were the only people who. actually romney speech i think might anoint him as the next republican leader because after this whole trump saga ends i think we should try to maybe gauge at the american public might you know in their common sense. embrace values once again you really think though to raise the rest was going to be counting on that very briefly. no but i just. i thought important is one person stood up and one voice at least but i mean we see with the whole narrative of the end of history right that liberal democracy everything was going to be fine but it hasn't really worked out that way and we've seen authoritarian rulers trying you know grow in power democracies in decline and i think the biggest concern right now is what's going on with china so especially
in our 30 tearing regime how will the u.s. be able to confront this it won't just be able to confront it economically because china is has a massive economy the u.s. economy is still larger but if they lose their moral high ground it will be a very difficult narrative especially to attract young people to support this and we have seen a you know we've had a revolution in technology and we've seen at the worry terrence with technology in their hands that they never had before. the iranians i think with our minute let me again trying to angle a question as a devil's advocate here and so hard china announced thursday it was having tariffs on some u.s. goods are countries likely to seek a resolution perhaps on some of the trade disputes global trade disagreements with the trumpet ministration now that the impeachment process has ended with him apparently in a stronger position according to the polls and saying well he might be around for some time. well i think that like many of my other the other speakers have
said that with the impeachment finished in the process there's more stability there's more predictability and so i think at least for the next 9 months many of the foreign leaders are going to trust that trump has the political backing and he has the security of position to make deals but i'm not convinced that all of these foreign leaders believe that he is automatically going to win those elections so those who think he may possibly lose in november may try to get as much out of him as they can because if a democrat wins particularly because the democrats are moving farther to the left in terms of the candidates there is going to be a sea change in both domestic and foreign relations and so depending on what authoritarian think is going to happen to trump those who think he has a much longer life span of another 4 years that's going to affect their their timeframe but i do want to just point out one important issue domestically there is a silver lining in trump's what i think is trump's authoritarian
a tendency and the doctrine is that there has been a backlash by young people and by liberals who have now become progressives and who hard feeling that their democracy is threatened and so we're seeing a lot of online activism a lot of on the ground activism and the democratic party is moving to the left and becoming more progressive and i see that as an awakening of many kind of sleepy couch voters or silent majority voters who are now waking up and saying if we don't take action we're going to lose our democracy and it's not simply about republican democrat it's really about abuse of power particularly coming out of the executive branch let's see if they do indeed those as he puts the patel church folks as wake up when it leaves the leave us the world elections are coming fenceline contest so much so has these jason stanley and teresa fallen. and thank you too for watching you can see the show again any time by visiting our website al-jazeera dot com for
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