tanami. around 25000 patients in the u.k. were discharged into care homes without 1st being tested for corona virus at the height of the pandemic the cording to a national audit office report it's estimated that at least 15000 care home residents died from called it 19 in the u.k. . as sacha of winston churchill has been boarded up after it was sprayed with graffiti jury untie races in protest in london last weekend the move comes ahead of further demonstrations that are planned for saturday with us from mr boris johnson says it's called absurd and shameful that the statue should be at risk of attack he said the anti-racism protests have been hijacked by what he called extremists you're upset with headlines on al-jazeera as always more news on our website al jazeera dot com coming up next year it's the bottom line stay with us.

hi i'm steve clemons and i have a question. can america ever not to be racist let's get to the bottom line. the killing of george floyd by a white policeman in minneapolis was the spark that brought people to their feet and protests worldwide it came after a string of killings of many black americans basically to briana taylor of kentucky and often are very of georgia millions of americans have been in the streets in cities and towns all over america protesting against the systemic racism that hasn't been fully confronted for decades or even centuries here so how did we get here and campaigns get better in the future and as america's way of policing and incarcerating so many black and brown americans working for this society we are

fortunate today to be speaking with martin luther king the 3rd son of martin luther king jr who has spent his life advocating for human rights here in the united states and all around the world mr king thank you so much for joining us today and i would just love to start with your personal reflections on this moment. and and how you think we might get through what i know is that this is an incredible nation and yet we continue to particularly in law enforcement we continue to do harm to black people my father until my god his heir over 52 years ago he was marching with sanitation workers in memphis tennessee and was killed those out of taishan workers have silence those signs said i am

a man. and were saying treat me with dignity and respect and as the human being that i am 52 years later. all over of the streets of america. blacks and whites and others are saying black lives matter we're still saying to the nation treat us with dignity and respect and like the human beings that we are and tragically are not getting any relief yet now up there we may have turned a corner with the tragic killing of george clooney and what i mean by that is we've had individuals marching in

cities and towns or a few years now but this one incident yaba now as all 50 states have been demonstrations ran all over the world they have been demonstrations and the demonstrations are not just blacks and a few whites many of them oh well mainly white and so something of it's almost like a light went off in the hands of people to say this is wrong this is unjust this is immoral this is not who we are we have a president united states and i'm i'm i'm wondering what you think about president trump when he sang you know basically will will sic dogs on them if they cross the fence in the white house we will deploy the military we will shoot if there's looting there will be shooting. this sounds reminiscent indeed of the time your father was protesting well i i it certainly has and i'm greatly disappointed in in the president's 'd lack of leadership are around this

issue and a president is supposed to bring people together. to quell violence when it is a caring not to their own gasoline on it and make it grow even more. you know when the president walked over to the church on it it was 5 am to walk over to the church but what was wrong was esther's. and it will bring out the military oh in the bible it's a little bit of an oxymoron a bible that supposed to represent peace and changes and freedom and justice and a lot of things in your sand i want to bring you know wilson the military and i don't know that we use the u.s. military on american citizens. and any time we use the national guard and not the

u.s. military. so all of that seems to be way off the direction that we should go in to in a certainly is reminiscent of what my father and his team and others have had to endure. i think that there's a huge consciousness in the nation and wraps throughout the world and i believe that there's enough of a conscience for that nor any election time right now people should be mobilizing and organizing and strategizing and. agitating and registering and voting yet in our state of georgia today with election and a several others and election day and i believe that more people have come out since the beginning of the election time. and to now then we've seen

a long time and i think that more people will come out in november. which perhaps will mean we'll have a change in leadership at the presidential level i think that is a real prospect of war possibility because i just think what presidents on this issue has been what you're describing though it's interesting to me and i think it's important in our listeners know as you still believe in the american system you believe in the infrastructure of voting and your role as a citizen and your main chain and i've talked to a lot of friends in the black community that are disgusted by the system see it stacked against them and they don't participate because they don't feel it's fair or that their vote or their their role matters and so i think it's very interesting the distinction that you just made there the you're still in the system that you believe in it and it's one that can be brought around in my am i getting that right

while you say that when people participate if people and when they propose that they then change going to come and yet can come and i yes i still believe the system can work now well if you talk about specific need policing that's a different discussion because every there's no one fit for all you know we're talking about in some communities if funding police departments and what does that mean minnesota to talking about abolishing the department and really starting all over and that might be the solution for many minneapolis i don't know i think every city every community asked to set up its own set of circumstances around. police brutality and misconduct because in more situations than not the police are the ones who start the activity and cause 'd the violence by their reactions even though they're trained in how to deescalate they don't always operate from

a deescalation standpoint that more times than not they don't we saw just the other day i believe in buffalo where an old away general was pushed over as if he was just i don't even know al you describe didn't exist just pushed over and for no reason because it was a 7075 year old man and he left there and bleeding from the ears you know as it was a real tragedy when you when we think about one of things i've been trying to to convey and to find ways to convey particular we have a global audience watching this today is what systemic reece reece is a means and what it feels like and i know that many people go to you because of your own legacy your own family how do you describe to others that haven't experienced what you have what systemic racism is well it systemic racism means that the institutions are engaged in racial activity

that discriminate against someone primarily because of the color of your skin. and that isn't all black people experience that. no matter who you are and maybe if you dress a certain way you may be treated a little differently but at some point most black people are gone or experienced racism for me personally when they have talked about. having a dream where a person will not be judged by the color of your skin the that the content of their characters in a sentence for children but he was really talking about more people then his children because certainly because of who i am and who last of wings are many people know us though we're sometimes treated slightly differently but by and large black still experience racism and this the system that has to be dismantled

sensitivity human relations diversity training needs to be imposed upon all of society starting maybe in kindergarten and going our way through college i think that we would create a different young person at the end of that experience if he or she was exposed to and understand you know there are unconscious bias efforts that occur i don't think people are always consciously or races and what i would say is that a child is not born no shout is born racist but he or she is sponsored in an environment where racism is reinforced and they become that which is the of which character of how they've been raised and socialised you can overcome that and many children do they gooden's we got a 20 to what interests us we've got to change our system because the racism

is structured throughout the system meaning you know president trump for example has a cabinet it's not reflective of america it is largely white men it does we would have a lot of white women now has one black person but that's a and when you see a meeting with his military group it's all white men. so what's son what does that say to people that the only teach what does that say to masses of people only people that are important are white men so that's what racism is and that scout is changed so that children can aspire to and know that yes i am a part of this system and i have a contribution to make and in spite of what a president does there's another way that we can do when you talk about changing

things how do you get beyond the surface acknowledgement in the checking off the box that people went out to protest and really get fundamentally different we need reparations to members of the black community do we need a different kind of action program that solves the incarceration issue of just how do we move the needle in a real way rather than a fake way well 1st of all the system is. named improperly in my judgment is colleague from an all justice system it is a criminal system but it is not just for blacks or browns and for poor whites and black people are systematically targeting our profile by police departments all over america that's why. that of the population in comprise 405-060-7080 in some cases percent of the g.o.p. lation because black people are targeted because of health disparities. and our

lack of health care in poor communities which happen to be black white folk have more diabetes more are disease more i bled oppression more of everything that really is not good the black community carries that and even the brown community and then it took was down of course for wakes but in our society it's again changed. and it's seeing more bond that took place and policy created a civil rights jack and $64.00 a voting rights act and 60 fair 'd have rap as legislation in $68.00 and so either we have to create new legislation or we have to boaster existing

legislation. so it's a combination i believe and i think people have to see some very responsible change may not have to be tomorrow but it's going to have to be soon and those changes and i have to be employed you want you can't break down and the store races them tomorrow but over a period of time you can transition to be a much different system so that a year from now when you measure you can have made sure metrics that determine we have reduced this we have reduced this we've done this these are the tempo changes that we've done and we've achieved those goals and objectives and as a result the african-american community now looks at us differently now that's just and policing we have to do that almost in several areas we're going to we're going to play a sound clip here of of president trump magic make america great again by the way they love african-american people they love black people i

got love black people when you hear something like that what's your reaction i don't even i don't even know what that means and is that you know that my dad talked about making america what it ought to be not great again because what period of time are you talking for me 60 years ago not 60 or 70 years ago 6570 years ago black folk will be at home for no reason just as george floyd was murdered the other day black folk will be and murdered left hand left and right and nothing so i don't know the period in history where america was great i think we have exhibit. times and moments of greatness from time to tap look great again harking back to an era that i can relate to so that's the 1st thing i would say the 2nd thing is that when you talk about we love the blasts that's impersonal izing people you know

even to say we love black people we love the people who are part of the black community who say we love the blacks what is it what some animate object what is that i mean that's the way i see it now and of course there are black people who support the president and support his notion of making america great again but i would say the overwhelming majority do not because it does not make sense to us and when you have talked about us when you call african countries negative names and a country like haiti which is the poorest country in this western imbecile beat him a spear and by and tension it is now and. i mean it is miss fraenkel when you mistreat people like that and we are black people if if it deeply cuts

with us so i just i don't at our understand what the president. says he's doing but i don't respect or preach what it is that he's saying as his virtues language is even racists not necessarily on what he said about mad at him that amendment is insensitive to call them the us no one wanted to arouse you see it with my african-american very much i mean we're not slaves we mean you an african american that's part of the problems your mentality is this somebody belongs to you and you know only has system the thrilla that that's what you're putting out there so 'd you know that's what i'm for aerate it that he will vote and we present a different kind of leadership figure enough for this one 1st until you through the

primary the democratic primary and even more recently vice president joe biden has used language where it just takes he takes it as a given that the black community is automatically with him and they're almost that those aren't then aren't really black but there's a kind of confidence there is that. is that is real is joe biden thinks it is or does he still have to earn the support and the respect and the resolve of the black community politically i think he has to still earn support in any serious candidate and i believe in his heart he knows that he may have said something that evoked emotions but i believe as an elected official when it lets in over 30 years you have to earn every vote you can't take any vote for granted if you don't look at it you know i think in some of the past tickets that.

because this at bennett you can't take anyone to granted you got to ask people and keep earning their support over and over again if you're going to represent the people now again i think the majority of african-americans problem will support. because of how it's framed a president trump has been and how destructive and destructive because he rules from a good this divisive standpoint he doesn't seem to understand unification. you know it would have been wonderful to see him go over to the fiscal church with ministers and saying to the nation we're better than this can't we got a comment well not that will blow you away but we'll do something like that to you that's not what was needed that's the wrong place and yet you know he does all of these different kind of things and he's not he's an anomaly because he's been able

to get away with all kind of things that the average system and he or she done them they would have had to resign from office but you know when you have a president and no shame what do you expect to just the black community support for joe biden a need for there to be a vice presidential running mate who's a black woman i think that there is certainly growing support. for him to use a black woman but i have i really can't gauge whether or not if he did not choose one with that how would that dramatically change his prospects i don't know that i do think that there are women is growing group of women and particularly after the george floyd incident i think it's a huge. departure from where he may have been you know i think that. you know

i think she was looking at any closure for example she was the d.a. prior to was the d.a. in minnesota in minneapolis right now and i think that george will what incident probably not to out of consideration senator globe which are what i also think it bolster or certainly in the framing way he made the prospect of choosing an african-american woman more realistic than it was you know i think he what i say what i still can't evaluate 'd is if he does not or whatever reason will that hurt him dramatically not i don't know that at this point final question here and i and i know you're probably asked this a lot your father gave probably one of the most famous speeches of all time in his i have a dream speech i'd like to hear what your dream is as you look at the anguish you look at the protests i've seen lots of young people black white brown whatever

color out there doing it seems inspiring but i'd love to hear at this point what your dream or what your father's dream would be at this moment so my dream i my wife and i andrea have a daughter 'd and we had to sit down on her birthday and explain to her 'd why after 52 years her grandfather or sliced was taken she knows that but why these issues have not been resolved and that it was her motions were she wanted to just throw something in tear up something i mean that was her initial motion obviously she didn't go in that direction that's the emotion choose one of the anguish she was crying she was just worn through all kinds of forms so when it comes to my dream. we live in a country that has a multitrillion dollar economy even with

a very terrible economy today because of then deming we still have a multilateral i mean there are trillions literally of dollars when you have the business resources you have the government resources we have a small business resources i mean it's literally something we can imagine so in america we have the audacity that have poverty we have might my dad and mom wanted to see obligate racism and violence eradicated from our society dad did not live to see that come to fruition mom worked on it and of course when she passed in 2006 it still wasn't had not come through. what i believe in what my dream is is that everyone in america to be able to have a decent home a decent home could be 100 square feet it doesn't have to be 85010000 is it hours

worth of how 100 square feet in america if we want to be able to have affordable and decent housing everyone should be able to have a decent job everyone should be able to have health care and every want to be able to have just and when that day comes then i feel the drain that i have will be almost of hill and my door you know the children who are black and brown and who are white to some who would not have to go through what is going through certainly poor black and brown jim should not have to go through what they're going through this should not be a recurrent tearing activity and i know with. the ingenuity. with the ability of just a few good women and what's one ability needs will there's nothing on the table that we almost can and so that's what i envy and that's what i will continue to

work toward and i know that we can make it happen and in fact well as the dream of martin luther king jr and later on trouble sculpting well thank you so much martin luther king the 3rd i think that dream is something that i think a lot of people can subscribe to thank you so much for sharing your thoughts today at this very troubling but sometimes inspiring time thank you so what's the bottom line the united states is a country where your life expectancy can be 20 years less that your neighbor depending on the color of your skin or your zip code just think about that for a 2nd today's protests across the country are not only about justice for george loyal americans they often rise up and demand justice for all but let's face it the deck is stacked and the power structure remains mostly white and mostly male one thing is for sure if my guest father was still around today i think we'd be much

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