tv Inside Story 2020 Ep 239 Al Jazeera August 26, 2020 8:32pm-9:01pm +03
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to depths of the eastern mediterranean turkey and greece are up along the heads of a volatile area of both countries claimed rights to energy resources that could this dispute escalates and what will it take to diffuse it this is inside story. hello welcome to the program i'm adrian for the concerns are growing that there could be a conflict between turkey and greece in the eastern mediterranean for weeks now the 2 countries have been disputing maritime boundaries and offshore energy rights on tuesday they sent warships to the waters at
a show of force turkey's vessel the aura greece is conducting research and greece says that it's above its continental shelf anchor disputes athens exclusive rights in the region they've both announced military exercises within a broader area between crease and cyprus but they've also signaled readiness for dialogue as germany tries to b.d.a. between the nato allies al-jazeera field reports now from istanbul. turkey and greek warships on alert tensions are high as the 2 countries have been locked in a dispute for weeks over matter tembo andries and offshore writes. germany for its part is trying to mediate a dispute between the neighbors and nato a life that's foreign minister conducting shuttle diplomacy between athens and ancora. really want to say most wonderful passable catus for a friend a region where spirits are often what we urge and we need our visible steps towards
the escalation and a genuine readiness for dialogue i have been hearing from all sides that there is a willingness for dialogue and so we believe holding talks is achievable in the end a binding and peaceful solution to the eastern mediterranean dispute will only be possible if there are direct talks between greece and turkey. turkey calls greece a spoiled child who has and conditional support from the e.u. that's why and honestly you medication is necessary for dialogue your hope that only if you make statements such as we would have window rights we carry our rules we do not say we will make a mistake but we will do whatever is necessary without hesitation therefore do not get ignored by those countries act with common sense tension between the 2 neighbors speak when the turkish research vessel they or trace began carrying out suspect research in the eastern mediterranean the ship is being escorted by warships between crate and cyprus where say is a stopping for a diplomatic solution but stands ready militarily. so greece will defend in
the name of law its sovereignty and its sovereign rights greece will defend its national and european borders the sovereignty and sovereign rights of europe it does not have any other choice but to do sir. turkey's foreign minister sat athens provocator steps on the disrupt style oak between the 2 countries germany revived escalation talks between senior turkish and greek offer szell's an initiative started in july but broken up by turkey several weeks later after greece and now some maritime deal with egypt earlier this month turkey say as it is open to dialogue with greece only if there's a fair distribution of rights in this in mediterranean but if athens continues presenting preconditions for dialogue and doesn't give up its uncompromising approach in the region ancora say is a real conflict may become unavoidable see now because so little al-jazeera
a stumble. well turkey sent out an alert last month saying that it was sending its vessel to carry out a survey the mission though was suspended following german mediation but talks were called off and the order of race left port on august 10th greece signed a partial maritime demarcation agreement with egypt earlier this month a similar deal was signed by ankara and libya's government of national accord the g.n.a.t. last year turkey is drowning in waters where cyprus claims exclusive economic rights and it's also at odds with greece of the areas that it claims in the islands north they're also in dispute over migrants crossing from turkey into greece. well let's bring in our guests who can discuss all of this with us joining us from athens ga ga police strategic affairs analyst a lecturer at the democritus university of 3 from london we're joined by wolf pickle a managing director of the political risk arm of the global advisory service 10
a.o. wolf covers turkey and greece extensively and from istanbul yousif a retired turkish colonel and security analyst at the turkish defense university welcome to you all gentlemen wolf i want to start with you turkey's president has warned greece not to test his country's patience or courage turkey will take what is its right in the mediterranean in the aegean and in the black sea he said just as we have no lies of anyone's territory sovereignty and interests we will never compromise on what belongs to us we determine to do whatever is necessary in political economic and military terms how dangerous is the current situation wolf is there a risk that it could escalate into a military conflict well in terms of this game in bible isn't there a lot we have seen in our lives before nothing particularly new there whenever it really seem to have the one making the statement we need to take into account of
his the use them as the dimension they are in plate. in terms of the situation on the ground it is clear that there isn't a diplomatic at this collation they are tempted by the german foreign minister yesterday he visited out and i could have to mediate failed it was said to fail and now both sides both the greeks started to use ice getting out to competing naval exercises obviously when you put a lot of military hardware in a small piece of sea there is to recover the least of an accident is i we have already seen it that if you will if you days ago but there east of an outright community confrontation in my view it means fairly low use of to what extent is turkey's posturing about playing to a domestic audience is it behaving like a schoolyard bully. no i don't think daughter i don't i do not think saw because the turkish side is it indicated that it is their rights inside the mediterranean sea
a warning to the united nation congressional last year let's remember that this issue this game is not a c. in iraq and it shouldn't be also 0 sum game 'd sot science should come to conclusion or this isn't the german chancellor merkel a. couple of weeks ago or requests that romero aren't they this is ships from the turkish. continental shelf so they didn't send the ships but all of a sudden that turkey realized that egypt and resists signed an agreement beach is violating the turkish financial shell done than the good they don't want game just after that the turkish systemic research ship and then the option they would start the sale again to the mediterranean or this isn't it should be. each should be sold in a very unique is there is a lesion because this is
a very unique area so you cannot resolve all those issues which is very unique in. taking into consideration off the job or off st george curry says that it's great exercise what it says is its legal right to extend its territorial waters along the western coastline from 6 to 12 miles abandoning what the prime minister says is decades of passive foreign policy just how far is greece prepared to go in standing its ground. well thank you for having me greece actually attempts to protect its over anything and solver and rights the extension of that their authority our water is placed in its interest had to protect its over n.e.p. while its action now in the eastern mediterranean is placed in its interest to protect its over and right what greece is attempting to do is to sow to the international community that that kind of problems can be better sold by
a diplomacy but the question is up to what extent diplomacy can solve the problems from the moment provocative actions are taking place in the region it is said only in the interest of greece to cooperate with their key but under current circumstances this doesn't out seem that easy wolf what are the implications of the deal signed between turkey and libya on demarcation rights in all of this and the more recent want to sign between greece and egypt well it didn't limit the complexity of a little dispute here that when we define boundaries what does legal work is not legal is utterly unknown. so there is a huge legal game mention which applies to this deal between turkey libya apply to the greece egypt deal so there is a huge amount of uncertainty. but what is clear is that without the political will
here and without the mediation of a serious 3rd party we're not going to get that people around the table to try to start tackling these illegal legal complexities right now there is no will from either side to engage on this front despite all the statement that everybody's willing to negotiate and wolf for prefer who who should mediate between the 2 sides germany's had a go but hasn't achieved much does does this dispute really need a mediator or should the 2 sides just get talking to each other. well the problem is adrian that would be i don't have to cite any longer this was a regional crisis that now is becoming bigger by the day even counties from the gulf are involved francis bacon site and so on so they're much more and more players in a small region with loss of legal complication who should be negotiate well they
you cannot be the negotiator is not an objective side we grew both cyprus and greece are you members. germany's trying but the record of germany's immediate there is not particularly great one and these not perceive this to be in objective mediated by the greeks after the shoot is that all has been played by the us to the big players missing in the us and somewhat contributing indirectly to the spike in danger in these united states if about it the need to stick to where greece and turkey went head to head over our a pointless island it was the united states with a round of phone calls they brought back some common sense which is now utterly missing years of how can turkey have any claim to territorial waters in the southern parts of the mediterranean areas that are geographically nowhere near turkey there are 2 parts to your question one of the most important point is that territorial alter or from the perspective of the territory or editorial what's that
is not just about that but when you come to look a comical excuse or saw and also all the continental shelf the united nations convention of law does not draw a clear line the church part belongs to each country and that is this start off that their problem from my point of course or destroyed isn't. diplomacy which will take place either inside germany aren't there enough to now or not out whether it will be very fruitful in order to solve this problem because. he still has no idea that each youngster each country yes greece declares an excuse the economy goes on but $30000.00 not accept and 30 declares a consonantal style and also the greece does not the and that you take it take a look at the maritime law many time law does not throw certain lines like the land
orders just give some great area such as the mainland obstruction of ek on free equip the blood lust saw for history isn't it the diplomacy does not solve this problem that the power will solve such kind of problems and i do not think that that issue be come to that level or deceit isn't the mediation of germany although my friend unite in them say is that germany is position is always good as a mediator may cruelly use a result because i do not think that this is a 0 sum game softball size may mean from the position if they come to a table george what do you make of that what you heard then what about this this team occasion right deal signed between greece and egypt. when there are 2 main away on on on how the problem can be sort of peacefully via diplomacy the 1st is
that build out to a level which is possible this means that greece and their key can be engaged in bilateral negotiations in order to settle the issue of the continental shelf and the 2nd option can be the ideal some will to lotro dialogue president ever go on has order read him mention that it seems to me on a day that needs fair their elbow ration of course cyprus needs to take part on these and this is the authority on how this idea can be followed by practice in my opinion and i sense some of the views of my colleagues it can be a win win game because anyway the eastern med gust form already exists and there are 7 countries which take part in this forum and i don't see why there can lebanon perhaps other countries should not take take part in the future from the moment they accept their orders of the majority in my opinion it's a matter of political will in order to solve the problem via diplomacy because this
is the key point and as far as the agreement between greece and egypt is going sara and this is related to the interest of of the country to accept or not to foreign policy and sort of these you peacefully with its neighbors as obviously their good deed with libya the problem is how all the countries together can cooperate in order to get out the prosperity for the societies in different countries wolf a we're talking about it particularly the eastern mediterranean here at the moment and in the last 2 answers from from use of and george but i didn't get a. the answer i wanted from from yousif about what turkey is doing in territorial waters. off libya and having done this base deal with the government of national accord what right does it have to claim any territory in the southern mediterranean the deal was done. for political reasons turkey felt
that he was becoming more and more isolated in the region he's always at cyprus and in sight they made an agreement with the israel they were in negotiation with egypt so ever the one somewhat corner pool that they leave your deal out of the hat is illegal is a deal that stands legally nobody knows that didn't matter no at this point because we are not there so that is where we are so that from the turkish perspective there is a sense of the countries being isolated the now more recently you have seen france taking the side of. greece you've seen day united arab emirates taking the side of greece so. that more to feel squeezed the more it because going to become aggressive that is one of the risk here at the end of the day and if i can add one single point that we have no mentioned yet yes there
is a dispute about boundaries territorial waters whatever you want to call it but there is an underpinning dispute that he said over cyprus is situation that has not been solved since $1074.00 so they had to hurry up to get there making a solution even more difficult to achieve wolf a sort of rescue as well to what extent turkey may be stretching itself right now on too many fronts with its involvement in in syria and now libya. well it is there is syria is north in iraq is libya and now potentially they smash well what from if you put yourself in the shoes of president of the one is facing a race in a rising unemployment the economy is cracking just these moony the leader was at the lowest level ever whether some point with a $7.00 to $1.00 against the dollar and what the u.s.
seeing that these military adventurism abroad as paid off so far in terms of popularity it did in syria it did in libya less the weather's going to pay off in terms of the east mad sort of the money or needs to distract the public opinion need to try to keep spoke without a t i n d no as a so far out of these these initiatives even if they cost the $30.00 directly in terms of international standing they pay off the mess the click here so what do you make of that military adventurism seems popular back home is turkey stretching itself at the moment what are its long term strategic goals. i mean again i call it as an adventure this is reality when you take a look at the map of middle east 6 failed states it will be rock syria yemen and libya and bla bla and 2 off that is the neighboring countries which turkey shapes saw wrong balls to play in states such as iraq and syria the know
that more than $4500000.00 syrians are living inside turkey and that creates lots of terrorist problems such as in the case of the doubt and you get a problem and also the same issue is valid or the northern part of the aura or this isn't no on should talk that turkey sit back and they say but the terrorists and their organization are all the terrorist organizations are planning for the future of the turkey or this isn't is not playing and muncher turkey is conducting operations and successfully completing it doesn't produce a result yes today i can say that all the measures is inside turkey are as secure as long. as secure as partisan burning or this isn't the call it as an adventure not be ever right or knowledge because they do grow you solution
they do produce a lot out of also their reach and result that dirty wants but this isn't i cannot say it that this is an adventure especially in the last failed states jamie magine that last failed states even by the border of not doing them france or germany they will also do the same action and even not call it as an adventure use of just very briefly as well to what extent does to cyprus. factor into turkey's behavior this the un resolve this us as well called it a cyprus issue is a very long issue that we should discuss or many hours in this program. saw that take a look at the sectors according to the constitution of the cyprus the turkish people who lives inside cyprus are not minority did he know how disgusted the united 60 says because that you'll hardly not saving them for the 10 military coup
because science on a great site proved declared that i don't from now on we don't greece or tissues and that's a huge discussion point ok but what 30 year cvs what's going on inside turkey that is very clear to protect the right off the turkish side. as you say one of the key as you say it's an issue that we just don't have time to get into here and now wolf one of the implications of this for nato both countries members of the military alliance cohesion of a united front not going to be achievable if if to member nations a school pulling. squabbling within nato has been on going on for some time and not just involving turkey but involving other countries need to iraqis one of the partners that is completely missing now there was an attempt by the greek community gratian to involved in it were sick of the general in these a mediation attempts it was nowhere to be seen need to need to eat he certainly
under pressure now we have seen france taking a stance they arc i'm sorries one of these international going to this room just like at the u.n. they should be part of the solution but i now are nowhere nowhere to be seen and what wolf are we to make of francis military involvement and its support firmly for greece and what are the implications for the e.u. . well de usa before it was not an objective partner. from britain from but from the very start france decided to take the side of greece and cyprus and i think there is an element of an emotive between micron and president have gone over what happened in libya for example where they france where the french were outplayed by by the turks. and inseam many ways i think also france as it did to germany by by sending these media 3 ships in the region
while the germans are trying to mediate here so even they use deeply divided i think this bushing they're very artful e.u. sanctions which are not coming in my view there is a you meeting on the 2720 years of focused i had of the council meeting is a ben burtt one of the side with the greeks and the cypriot asking for sanction in the e.u. is not in the position of the bush people sanctioning turkey so that is why i only know in my view even if i agree with the use of in georgia that there is much to gain from a deal i don't see a deal coming in the time soon ok. i'm afraid gentlemen we must leave it be wondering why i didn't put another question to george there is a power cut in athens and the internet connection has dropped between between us and george so freddy had to leave us mid program gentlemen thank you very much indeed for your time wolf piccalilli use of about up out of course george governess
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