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i that's according to the waters news agency, the pro democracy activist stan billionaire is in jail serving a 14 month prison sentence for taking part in anti government protests. a letter from the secretary for security. john lee sent 2 branches of citibank and hsbc, reportedly for i, since up to 7 years trail time lies, assets were frozen. earlier this month on de sweeping national security laws. more on the web site, al jazeera dot com. ah, and now reminder of the top stories on al jazeera israel in the us have rejected a vote by the top you and human rights for the backing and international investigation into violations. during the recent 11th a conflict and gaza earlier the you and human rights chief mission, but she said that israel targeting of densely populated areas could amount to war
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crimes, especially also said high mass for could fire. during the conflict was the clear violation of the rules of war is found to be in the sky and this proportion and what's the impact on how to make on war crimes. on the other hand, it is also a violation of international humanitarian law to locate military assets in the populated areas or 2 lounge attacks from them. however, the actions of one party do not show the other from its obligations on the international. a senior us state department official has worn d, c o p. either those stoking tension in the t grade regions should anticipate further action if they don't reverse course. the senate foreign relations committee held the hearing in the us capital on washington responds to the conflict.
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thousands of if you have died in 7 months fighting while millions has been displaced in western te gray, security forces belonging to be part regional government or forcing ethnic grey and from their homes. and what secretary blinking has described as actually ethnic cleansing, the trans defense forces undertaking a campaign of unremitting violence and destruction that amounts to the collective punishment. the people of t great. the violence abuses and atrocities are unacceptable. they must stop now. french president manuel mccall has asked for one dance for forgiveness for his country's role in the 1994 genocide. but chronic knowledge that france ignored warnings and in his words, defacto stood by a genocidal wishing ties have been strained. from the years of accusations that france was complicit. those are the top stories that stay with us. the stream is coming up next that i'm going to have the latest and all of the base news for
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you in half an hour. i hope you'll join me then. thanks for watching. ah, ah ah. ah, the i family ok on this episode on the stream, we are looking at the relationship between palestinians and the black lives matter movements around the world, but specifically in the united states. and how about relationship is evolving when we asked astern, community to pack what black palestinian solidarity look to them. this is what they told us. really going back to the 1900 sixty's black americans felt a kindred sense of solidarity with palestinians. and so even today, decades later,
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we've seen recent protests about garza, many black activists in and other people in support of the palestinians because they see themselves as part of a global struggle of marginalized people. fighting against systems of oppression that are backed by the united states. and i think palestinians have embraced that, including in the slogan that i've seen that says we can't breathe since 948. we ask black americans understand the liberation of palestine. if the bill came that it's the black american experience as they are phone with the same box of racism last supremacy. and the question, the israel are largely supported and funded by the us, the send us which no matter who is in charge be at the democrats. republicans continues to fun. police departments which occupy and kill it near impunity. and also treat with class citizens by people here in the us that you're watching on
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will till we can jump into the comment section. here's a question to get you started. is the u. s. black lives matter movement, changing the conversation about palestinians. jump into the comments section. your comments may, will be part of today's show. let me introduce you to, i guess they are heavy weight, said very well note on audi 0. hello, linda. hello, mark. i am not going to introduce you, but i want you to introduce yourself in the context of this discussion. linda, you start, i'm so honored to be here. my name is linda sar store and i am an unapologetic palestinian american daughter of palestinian immigrants to the united states of america. i'm also racial justice activists and have been on the streets of the united states for the last 2 decades. fighting for black and brown communities, mar, july people. i'm a leader in civil disobedience and direct action. and i'm just very happy to be here with you, family and also with mark mark in the context of what you do for you all. introduce
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yourself to stream audience. i mark lamarr hill. i am a professor who studies the issue in question of race in the middle east. i am very interested in the palestinian population in the old city of jerusalem. i am someone who studies trans national solidarity between black americans and palestinians. i am an activist. i am an organizer, and i am a former compensated for a major cable news network and currently the host of upfront right here at atlantic . enough about that right now. all right, so we've mentioned that in just a moment. i feel that you are both highly qualified, so you can both stay and be on the rest of the show. all right, so much, let's start with recent news from the gaza strip from east jerusalem. people around the world watching this news, people in america watching this news. how do you feel it played out online and
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offline? did you notice anything different about the way the palestinians and the calls was being reported or shad? yes, absolutely. i mean, the 1st thing is that the palestinian cause was being reported and shared. if you look in the 1970, to me, if you think about the refusal to even say the word palestinian and it wasn't palestinian, i'm ever peter jennings talked about this when he was a believe 11 and he was in bed and he was talking about how the media in newsrooms only with the arab, whether it didn't matter whether you were serious with your lebanese, whether or damian, whether you were yemen, he didn't matter. you would have arab. and so to fast forward from that moment to moment. now, when i only or palestinians identified, but the actual cause is being pointed to and spotlighted not, not, not as effectively as we would like to be. but surely the conversation has shifted . i mean, when we saw the initial uprising in show,
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the 1st thing that i saw was in honest attempt by some media outlets to say, hey, wait a minute. this is a violation of international law. wait a minute, there. displacing people who are occupied territory that didn't happen before. you know, some people still want to call it a real estate dispute. but any peoplesoft what it was. and then once we got to what was happening in, in the, the, the question became is this just israel defending itself, which is what the narrative has been so long, particularly operation. if you look at operation cast, lead operation protective edge, even, it was less so, but still the case it but now there was that there was some honesty in reporting. people talked about this unfortunate force. people say that as israel done too much, people were critical of netanyahu and people. ready had some principal representations of let me say one more quick thing, a big part of that is not because major cable news outlets are major network news outlet had a philosophical reorientation. they didn't get religion, they didn't fall off the horse. what happened was,
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every day people got access to media, suddenly you have people in the old city showing their own experience, the people in the mosque showing police pummeling them 3 days before you. when you see that stuff. it's hard to ignore some other when george lloyd got killed you, no matter how race blind color do you want to be when you see that man die in front of the eyes in the united states got to somebody. tell me the have, i shall have, i shall faith is that change that describes that change was partly due to the black live matter movement of today. absolutely. i believe that fundamentally as someone who is part of the black lives matter movement, but also the long standing solidarity that black people have shown to palestinians on, we can go back to kwame to rate a k. still socially carmichael and angela davis and the student nonviolent coordinating committee in the us. but of course desmond to,
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to and nelson mandela and leaders across the african nations. for me, the black wires matter movement has been very deliberate about making the black lives matter. move been a global struggle, a global social justice movement, which then kind of portrays this principle that our liberation. here are the united states of america. the liberation of black people is bound up with the liberation of people all over the world. and so when black people are in the street, when black people are raising their voices in the united states, as a continuation of a civil and human rights movement, if people start paying attention, and that's why i always say when black people are free, we're all going to be free and so watching move movement for black, live and black by matter. and i mean that in the general sense of people who believe in this idea of sanctity of black life, you know, they're, they're, they're, the integration of palestine has been very unapologetic. the endorsement of the boycott divestment sanctions movement has been truly unapologetic and have they received backlash for it. absolutely. but what the black lives matter movement has
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done is never backed down. and that is why this past summer and even before, but also just continuing into today, having statements come out of leaders of the black liberation movement has been extremely, not only important and beautiful to see as a palestinian american, but has also been quite influential in politics in the united states and really around the world. what moved you when you heard statements? because i saw a lot of palestinian thanks. thank you. right. they were thing, celebrities tweeting and and putting themselves out there on social media. they were saying thank you. we feel seen what we've g linda you know, for me, for me, my, what moves me is that every day as a palestinian american, i have to fight for my identity. i have to explain why and there are oppositional forces every day. we get up every morning to try to raise my identity as a palestinian tell it, you know, there is narratives out there that there is no such thing as the news as an i and
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my family walking around are like a figment of our own imagination. and so to see a movement that is also oppressed people that are also marginalized people who are fighting for their own existence in their own dignity, saying, wait a minute, we are also fighting for the dignity and to see the existence of the palestinian people friday. beautiful, it is the, it's everything that i dream of, of being part of a movement that sees liberation, bound up with one another. i have, i have seen and heard you describe why black people and palestinians, why there are parallels between the experiences i've. i've heard she unpacked that the school, maybe audience gets it. this is raining here on youtube. i think the foundation was laid by people like nelson mandela, openly comparing a party in south africa, of palestine and standing against that one of the oh, jeez, out there. and then on twitter, very close parallels between black experiences, both south african american, at the heart of apartheid in south africa school. the people including kids get
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killed by the state security for simply protesting our audience on board with their smart. go ahead. yeah, no, i think that's important to know that the world is beginning to see parallels. but i'm always equally hasty to point out that solidarity does not hinge apply, nor does it require sameness. our circumstances are different in many, many ways. it's not about who had the worse. it's not about who, whose oppression is more urgent. it's about on the one hand saying yes, there are systems and structures that connect us, right? systems, a power white supremacy, the global system. capitalism is a global system. and so the same forces that oppress someone in, in brooklyn, we'll oppress somebody in a bit, right?
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that's just the reality of what it means to be in a capitalist system. it's what it means to live in an imperialist world, where the united states has a very particular invested interest in having outpost in the middle east. whether it's do saudi arabia, whether do instead of israel, whether it's through increasingly, jordan and egypt, whatever the case might be. so we have to think about the connections. we think about the power as a connection. we have to be able to say that the state, the nation state itself, which is a relatively new and modern idea of functions in certain ways, destination itself is occasioned by violence and the ratio and just location in dispossession. and so the same system that takes native americans in, in the united states and displaces them any races, them. and ultimately in some ways, blame them for their own, but their own death. it's not surprising that we'll see the same thing to someone who is e d and iraq, or someone who's, who's palestinian will see the same system. so in that sense,
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we have commonalities, right? in that sense, state violence is a common experience. but there's also ways solidarity. don't have to hinge just on that because there's a very particular way that when i fly to and i don't do this. but if i were to fly to tell of eve, and i can just land and decided, hey, i'm going to go and, and hang out in, aka, and you know, and go to nazareth and then go south and go to tell a b b or go back to some of even and go to jerusalem. linda can't do that. she, she, she with a how we are with it, with the west bank. i be may have to make a different set of choices despite the fact that it's her homeland. so i have more freedom of movement that she does in our own homeland. definitely space that i can relate to the black american. i'm not stateless that many people. i'm not, i'm not bordered by manager and see like people in the are, there's a way, but in the same way, whenever it's late, if we were in the united states. so i don't need our situation to be the same for us to have solidarity cuz a lot of people that are being housed in it just like being black. no,
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it's not just like the back of them like being posted in the different that's what they're they're equally important. and so i don't need to stand up for palestinians because i see myself there or but because i know that oppression is real. and so for me, it's the connections, it's the systems but also just the right thing to do despite the fact that there are considerable differences. that's right, and it's important mark that you say that because it's not the same being black and also being palestinian. like me, but black people have been experiencing all pressure around the world, but specifically in the united states for close to for centuries. and so it's not the same. the palestinian people have been under occupation, their land stole in displacement. the dispossession has been going on for 73 years and this is not a question. and i think black people are naturally install a derrick with the palestinian people for many reasons and many that you've listed . but as americans follow their with palestinians is seen through the lens of also the economy and watching the military aid that we send to the state of israel. you
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know, when, when i'm in, protest around issues of police brutality or even racial justice, issue economic justice issues, we're fighting and saying we need health care for all americans and all who reside in the united states. we need access to high quality public education across the country for every child, regardless of their zip code. and we need to open more hospital and more clinics. and especially in light of a global pandemic that we're in. our government often tells us we are idealistic, we don't have these kind of resources, but we apparently have $10000000.00 that we send to the state of israel every day to occupy and to that. and really terrorize the palestinian people. and that for me is how i kind of come into the movement and saying, listen, we need to make these connections. there's also the incarceration connection, somebody's fame for profit incarceration, or profit, a prison company that incarcerated black and brown people in the united states and make money off of them are the same companies that,
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that profit off of the incarceration of palestinians in the west thinking also within israel companies like g 4 s, so there's also an economic conversation to be had here. and for me also watching the kind of young people who are now engaging in electoral politics in the united states. but really in other parts of the world, particularly in the west where we're electing more members of parliament, more members of congress in the united states of america who are ready to be apologetic about supporting the palestinian people. and that's new. we've never seen that before. in our lifetime, i haven't seen that in my lifetime. and to your point more about, you know, be going to palestine, you know, i'm an american and so i carry an american passports. so me personally, i always have the chance of not being let in just based on my activism and really based on, you know, my very be make critique of the state of israel. but i have a son who right now is 22 years old and he carries a palestinian id card as well as an american citizen because of a derivative of
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a father who is palestinian and born and raised in and be to palestine. and my son can go to jerusalem. and so when we go to palestine, i've been to palestine. many times we have been separated as a family cuz there's certain places that i can go in certain places that my son can't go. and i remember this, and i shared the story before that my daughter is who at the time a few years ago were younger, young teenagers, tweens, even were basically protected me in my village where my family's from because they found out that their cousins were not allowed to travel to jerusalem with us on a day trip. and my daughters were so outraged, they said, what do you mean? we're american. we flew on an airplane for hundreds of miles and we could go to jerusalem and the people who live 15 minutes away cannot go. we are not going. and i couldn't believe it. i just paid $700.00. a ticket for each child and my daughters were like, no matter what you tell us, we're not fully happy. apple, actually, from the train and you money
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activities, children. all right. i want to bring up an calling from the mall. it's a pet. what is a pet? i want to just describe it very briefly and then i'm going to play a video clip to you, and i want you to come off the back of it, but festival the acronym p, p. what's up pad? pip is the person who is progressive except for power, but i want to be very clear that a my acronym people and the thing that meant for very long time, ok the length of a palestinian critique. not me personally, although i did do a book which can be at least sitting here. yes. progressive pilots. it was, it was my dear friend and colleague, mitchell politic indeed is. and so but yeah, it's those people who are progressive politics and all the major issues of palestine. all right, so a minute now that you know the acronym, the more because use but he didn't come up with. i want you to have a listen to livia and i respond to her video comment. here we go. being
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progressive except on palestine. the daisy, we don't learn world history in us schools and forget hearing anything about black history, which can be one entry point on the ration circles. the taiser changing because now we have things like snapshot and talk that might sound because in this way we all become eye witnesses to history unfolding around the world. we get to access with generations of black and passing and liberation circles and been trying to talk for decades. yeah. yeah. i think that the, the key to the question of the pep is that we can identify it. we can point to it as a contradiction. but we have to point to it as an unsustainable contradiction, right? we can say there are pep as if it's some court, if it's a personality court like you know, you know, we have to see it as
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a morally and sustainable position. if someone work or progressive except for south africa, it's all work progressive except for marriage equality. so we're, we're progressive except for, for, for ending slavery. and in the 18th century, when they, you know, they've got their, their path. right? no, we would say that that's a morally unsustainable position, but because of how much we have normalized palestinian oppression, there is a way that even the palestinian liberation movement among liberals and often liberals i. and as we make it seem as if being a pep is okay, or that the quirk as opposed to something that's actually outrageous, you cannot be progressive except for that. that's right. you know, i'm just wondering what you confess. on august 2nd, go ahead. now a thing, unfortunately, that's actually all over the movements that we're a part of. it's not just like you know, in one certain space, it's that we come to move bit spaces around immigration and people not seeing the content connection between borders and immigration and talking about an issue like power fight or talking about racial justice incarceration,
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or even talking about you know, the military industrial complex, like palestine is a part of those conversations. if you are a person that believes in global justice, when we're talking about a global pandemic, where i almost 550000 americans died and many, many more across the world. why shouldn't we be fighting for palestinians to also have access to the vaccine, for example, or health care for palestinians or the right to travel for, for palestinian. and for some reason in our movements, people believe that you could be pro immigration and go stand at the border and say, oh my god, i cannot fathom the separation of family and children. but then you support the state of israel, who does that palestinian families all the time. when you say, i don't support white supremacy in the united states non stand up against white supremacy. but i support the state of israel, who has nation state laws that are literally codified, discriminate against palestinians and other minorities in the state of israel that literally treat palestinians who live within the israel,
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2nd and 3rd class citizens. so that kind of, of what martin talking about morally unsustainable, it's also inconsistent and so i cannot trust you in the movement if your kind of lens around racial justice or justice in general is only in the american context that you can't seem to apply that across the world and that is kind of the tension that we found in the movement, particularly around pilot site. and for me it's not about palestine being a litmus test. i'm not, i don't test people out the door of the movements. i don't ask you what your position is on palestine, but it tells me a lot about who you are. if you can support a state like israel and be able to come to a movement and say black lives matter in the united states, it just doesn't. it just doesn't kind of make sense. and also for people. ringback will say yes, of course. linda. nathan, yahoo is a fascist, he's a bad leader. he's a disgraceful leader in the state of israel. but remember, palestinians have been displaced, dispossess occupied, just 948. netanyahu has not been the prime minister of the state of israel since
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948. so this idea of trying to like use nathan yahoo as a book demand and everyone's like, standing with me on the street saying yeah, nathan young, that is not enough. i need you to say in the occupation, i need you to say lift the fi, john gaza and i need you to say that you see the liberation of. ringback the palestinian people bound up with the safety and security of jewish people. and if you don't see those 2 people being able to co exist in a place and be all able to live under one constitution where they will access to laws, it's just not going to work. and it's not going to work. and the, and the movements are not accepting any other kind of conclusion or resolution to this concept. walk me down. i wouldn't have a look at some pictures that i put together on my laptop because it's sort of a progression of the civil rights movement into where we are now. was life math and movement. this is in the hama, dolly. i believe this is 970 visiting palestine use in a lebanese refugee camp. then we phosphor george flew floyd muriel's from around palestine breath in peace, big floyd. this is remarkable. and then i'm just going to end here. mark on,
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on your instagram. and you shall have portrayed of george for a tiny garza city. where are we now? where does the solidarity get us? what difference is it going to make? very briefly mock i, i believe that it's a re energizing of those connections that linda talked about. that you know, the forties and fifties we've seen connection to the sixty's, the same powerful connection. and when you see those pictures of your foot on the wall, the apartheid wall in bethlehem, or when you see in the city, you see that people are paying attention to what's happening here. and when you see us in, in, in the united states, paying careful attention to what's happening and what's happening in the west bank, what's happening inside of israel, what's happening to ask for the moment i lead it shows you that we're on the right path. but the key now is to test our political will glad enough to just say black
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lives matter is not enough to just a free palestine. we have to do the work of voting, the right way, organizing the right way, spent the right way, et cetera. i've got one more question for you, linda on youtube. i'm gonna make it very quick. you've got one minute to answer is a hard question. now. what can we do to help our brothers and sisters in palestine off? donovan? good question for you. linda. to wrap us up with absolutely, i mean people stay unapologetic about their public support for the palestinian people. do not back down, do not worry about the weapon zation of anti semitism, but you are on the right side of history. so keep sharing the stories of palestinian as marks that make sure in elections that you both the right way particular and federal elections. so we can see more rashid, let's leave that ellen morrison corey bullshit, and jamal bowman, and also support your palestinian family and friends. not only those live, of course, in palestine based on your amplify their voices. so i appreciate that question and lack of palestinian solidarity forever into so mountain them on tell. it's really
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get to have a you see them there live in person. have a look here on my laptop, you can follow them in the digital world as well into saw on twitter and this month . lamont hill on twitter. thank you, mark. thank you, linda. thank you to the audience as well. thank you. we're watching on tv around the world. i see next time take everybody. ah, ah ah, ah, ah ah, ah welcome to portal your gateway to the very best to volunteer there. an online content that you may have met. a new program that this for our platforms makes the connections and presents a digestible screen,
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election change anything the people living here? so we're getting to join me, john, home and for the full report on how do we understand the differences and similarities of cultures across the world that might have when you call home will be used and current. does that matter to you? the i hello, i'm barbara sarah london. as these are the top stories on al jazeera israel and the u. s. have rejected a vote by the top you in human rights for the backing and international investigation into violations. during the recent 11th a conflict in gaza earlier, the un human rights chief mission bustling said that israel targeting of densely populated areas.


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