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australian farmers in the states of new south wales and queensland are suffering an unprecedented plague of mice, millions of swarming farmland schools and hospitals course in fires and with it the destruction and threatening harvest. the government has ordered 5000 beaches of poison from india. the federal government hasn't approved, it's used some critics or it could kill wildlife or family pets. experts say the mice could reach sydney within weeks. ah, welcome. if you're just joining us, you're watching al jazeera on pizza w. let's update your top stories. the humans refugee agency says it is deeply concerned by reports that hundreds of people have been taken by soldiers from camps in ethiopia as northern te gray region, the u. s. is wanting sanctions against the government could now be imposed. the un human rights council is to investigate potential war crimes. during the 11th
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a conflict between israel and hamas, it'll look into allegations of abuse on all sides across the occupied territory. and israel palestinians, welcome to move, but israel called it shameful. the hong kong media tycoon jimmy lie has been given another prison sentence for taking part in anti paging protest in 2019 the pro democracy activist and billionaire is already serving a 14 month sentence on similar charges, 7 other leading actor. this will also sentenced his assets were frozen earlier this month. and the paging national security laws, the russian aviation authorities say any flights from the e u that avoid bell russian. a space may have to wait longer to land. many airlines sustained clear of bellows after the forced landing of a passenger jet admins last week. bell roost is accused of faking a balmy scare in order to arrest the journalist who was on board re challenge has more from london the russians are saying this is totally technical. that will not be the perception in european capitals, which will see this as
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a political response from russia to what is a political situation involving batteries and the rest of the romantic protest. savage, the kremlin is saying that this shouldn't get in a way of european and russian relations, but of course it is. and of course a will. and this will be putting european airlines on notice essentially that if they are going to be flying around batteries, then they're going to have problems. getting into russia, the bell, russian opposition to spat lajna taken off sky air has renewed her calls to the country to take even stronger action against president, alexander lucas. shank character and sky is in the netherlands, where she is met with a dutch prime minister. she is calling on nations to isolate belarus, using sanctions. the stream is next. sammy has a news for you from 15 g, from me often in team into hi, thanks for watching. we'll see you soon. bye bye. hall county. of course. in the
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other 6 biggest economy of policies of the world behind the numbers practice. because late of the world works, the competition is china financing, the structure of forests. india is looking for new oil supply, us counting the cost on out of the i found the okay on these episode on the stream, we are looking at the relationship between palestinians and the black lives matter movements around the well. but specifically in the united states and how about relationship is evolving when we asked astern community to pack what block palestinian solidarity look to them. this is what they told us. going back to the 1900 sixty's black americans to tell a kindred sense of solidarity with palestinians. and so even today, decades later, we've seen recent protests about garza,
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many black activists in and other people in support of the palestinians because they see themselves as part of a global struggle of marginalized people. fighting against systems of oppression that are backed by the united states. and i think palestinians have embraced that. including in the slogan that i've seen that says we can't breathe since 948. we ask black americans understand the liberation of palestine. if the bill kinetics, the black american experience as being on the phone with the scene of their bugs, of racism last supremacy. and the question, the israel are largely supported and funded by the u. s. the send us, which no matter who is in charge be at the democrats or republicans, continues to fun. police departments which occupy and kill it near impunity. and also treat with class citizens by people here in the us that you're watching. and also we can jump into the comment section. here's a question to get you started. is the u. s. black lives matter movement,
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changing the conversation about palestinians jump into the comments section. your comments may, will be part of today's show. let me introduce you to, i guess they are a heavy weight, said very well note on our do 0. hello, linda, hello, log i am not going to introduce you. i want you to introduce yourself in the context of this discussion. linda, you start, i'm so honored to be here. my name is linda sorry for and i am an unapologetic palestinian american daughter of palestinian immigrants to the united states of america. i'm also racial justice activists have been on the streets of the united states for the last 2 decades. fighting for black and brown communities marginalized people. i'm a leader in civil disobedience and direct action, and i'm just very happy to be here with you, family and also with mark mark in the context of what you do for you all. introduce yourself to stream audience. i mark my hill. i am a professor who studies the issue in question of race in the middle
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east. i am very interested in the palestinian population in the old se injures i am . someone who studies trans national solidarity between black americans and palestinians. i am an activist. i am an organizer and i am a former commentator for major cable news network and currently the host of upfront right here. i'm glad you can now about that right now. all right, so we've mentioned that in just a moment. i feel that you are both highly qualified, so you can both stay and be on the rest of the show. all right, so much. let's start with recent news from the gaza strip from east jerusalem. people around the world watching this news, people in america watching this news. how do you feel it played out online and offline? did you notice anything different about the way the palestinians and the calls was
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being reported or shad? yes, absolutely. i mean, the 1st thing is that the palestinian cause was being reported and shared. if you look in the 1970, to me, if you think about the refusal to even say the word palestinian and it wasn't palestinian, i'm ever peter jennings talked about this when he was i believe in living on the even better. and he was talking about how the media in newsrooms only with the arab, whether it didn't matter whether you were serious with the lebanese, whether or damian, whether you are am, and he didn't matter, you would have arab. and so to fast forward from that moment to moment now when i only palestinians identified what the actual cause is being pointed to and spotlighted not, not, not as effectively as we would like to be. but surely the conversation has shifted . i mean, when we saw the initial uprising in show your are, the 1st thing that i saw was in honest attend by some media outlets to say, hey, wait a minute. this is a violation of international law. wait a minute,
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there. displacing people who are unoccupied territory that didn't happen before. you know, some people still wanted to call it a real estate dispute, but it was sort of what it was. and then once we got to what was happening in the, the, the, the question became is this just israel defending itself, which is what the narrative has been so long, particularly operation. if you look, aberration, cast, lead operation protective edge even. it was less so, but, but still the case, but now there was, there was some honesty in reporting people talking about this unfortunate force. people say that as israel done too much, people were critical of netanyahu. and people had some principal representations of and let me say one more quick thing. a big part of that is not because major cable news outlets are major network news outlet had a philosophical reorientation. they didn't get religion, they didn't fall up their horse. what happened was, every day people got access to media, suddenly you have people in the old showing their own experience, the people in the mosque showing police pummeling them 3 days before either. when
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you see that stuff is hard to ignore. some of that when george lloyd got killed even matter how race blind color do you want to be when you see that man dying in front of ours, in the united states, somebody who leave the head. i shall have, i show faces that change that mom described, that change was partly due to the black live matter movement of today. absolutely. i believe that fundamentally as someone who is part of the black live matter movement, but also the long standing solidarity that black people have shown to palestinians on, we can go back to kwame to re a k sold socially. carmichael and angela davis and the student nonviolent coordinating committee in the us. but of course desmond to, to and nelson mandela and leaders across the african nations. for me, the black lives matter movement has been very deliberate about making the
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blacklight, not a move, been a global struggle, a global social justice movement, which then kind of portrays this principle that our liberation. here are the united states of america. the liberation of black people is bound up with the liberation of people all over the world. and so when black people are in the street, when black people are raising their voices in the united states, as a continuation of a civil and human rights movement. if people start paying attention, and that's why i always say when black people are free, we're all going to be free. and so watching the movement for black lives and black lives matter. and i mean that in the general sense of people who believe in this idea of entity, black life, you know, they're, they're, they're, the integration of palestine has been very unapologetic. the endorsement of the boy caught divestment sanctions movement has been truly unapologetic and have they receive backlash for it. absolutely. but what the black live matter movement has done is never backed down. and that is why this past summer and even before, but also just continuing into today,
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having statements come out of leaders of the black liberation movement has been extremely, not only important and beautiful to see as a palestinian american, but has also been quite influential in politics in the united states and really around the world. what moved you when you heard statements? because i saw a lot of palestinians. thanks. thank you. right. they were thing, celebrities tweeting and and putting this out there on social media. they were saying thank you refill. seen what ms. linda, you know for me, for me, my, what moves me is that every day as a palestinian american, i have to fight for my identity. i have to explain why and, and there are oppositional forces every day. we get up every morning to try to raise my identity as a palestinian tell it, you know, there is narrative out there that there is no such thing as the news i didn't, i and my family walking around are like a figment of our own imagination. and so to see a movement that is also oppressed people that are also marginalized people who are
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fighting for their own existence in their own dignity, saying, wait a minute, we are also fighting for the dignity and to see the existence of the palestinian people friday. beautiful, it is the, it's everything that i dream of, of being part of a movement that sees liberation, bound up with one another mark i have, i have seen and heard you describe why black people and palestinians, why there are parallels between their experiences. i've, i've heard you unpack that the school, maybe audience get. this is ms. re me here when you cheap. i think the foundation was laid by people like nelson mandela openly comparing a party in south africa, of palestine and standing against it. one of the, oh jeez, out there. and then on twitter, very close parallels between black experiences, both south african american, at the heart of apartheid in south africa. schools of people, including kids, get killed by the state security for simply protesting our audience on board with their smart. go ahead. yeah, no,
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i think that's important to know that the world is beginning to see parallels. but i'm always equally hasty to point out that solidarity does not hinge apply, nor does it require. sameness are circles as they're different in many, many ways. it's got about who had the worse. it's not about who, who's oppression is more urgent. it's about on the one hand saying yes, there are systems and structures that connect us, right? systems of power, white supremacy, the global system. capitalism was a global system. and so the same forces that old press, someone in, in brooklyn will press somebody in a right. that's just the reality of what it means to be in a capitalist system. it's what it means to live in an imperialist world,
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where the united states has a very particular invested interest in having outpost in the middle east. whether it's do saudi arabia, whether it's do it, israel, whether it's through increasingly, jordan and egypt, whatever the case might be. so we have to think about the connections. we think about state power. as a connection. we have to be able to say that the state, the nation state itself, which is relatively new and modern idea functions and certain way that this nation state itself, it is occasioned by violence any ratio in no cation in dispossession. and so the same system that takes native americans in the united states and displaces them any races them. and alternately, in some ways, blame them for their own but their own death. it's not surprising that we'll see the same thing to someone who z z in iraq or someone who's, who's palestinian, what will see the same system. so in that sense, we have commonalities, right? in that sense, state violence is a common experience. but there's also ways solidarity don't have to hinge just on
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that because there's a very particular way that when i fly to and i don't do this. but if i were to fly to tel aviv and i can just land and decided, hey, i'm going to go in and hang out in, aka, and you know, and go to nazareth and then go south and go to tell or go back to even go to jerusalem, luna can't do that. 66, she with a how we would, the west bank id, may have to make a different set of choices, despite the fact that it's her homeland. so i have more freedom of movement that she does in our own home, in that space that i can relate to the black american. i'm not stateless that many people. i'm not, i'm not bordered by man there and see like people in another are. there's a way, but in the same way that whenever it's late, if we were in the united states, so i don't need our situation to be the same for us to have solidarity. cuz a lot of times people say, oh, it's just like being black. no, it's not just like the back isn't posting the different that's equally important. and so i don't need to stand up for palestinians because i see myself there or but
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because i know that oppression is real. and so for me it's the connections. it's the systems. but it's also just the right thing to do despite the fact that there are considerable differences. that's right, and it's important mark that you say that because it's not the same being black and also being palestinian like me. but black people have been experiencing all pressure around the world, but specifically in the united states for coast, for centuries. and so it's not the same. the palestinian people have been under occupation, their land stole in displacement. the dispossession has been going on for 73 years, and this is not a question. and i think black people are naturally install a derek with the palestinian people for many reasons and many that you've listed. but as americans follow, the palestinians is seen through the lens of also the economy and watching the military that we send to the state of israel. you know, when, when i'm in, protest around issues of police brutality or even racial justice, issue, economic justice issues,
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we're fighting and saying we need health care for all americans and all who reside in the united states. we need access to high quality public education across the country for every child, regardless of their zip code. and we need to open more hospitals and more clinics. and especially in light of a global pandemic that we're in. our government often tells us we are idealistic, we don't have these kind of resources, but we apparently have $10000000.00 that we send to the state of israel every day to occupy and dispossess, and really terrorize the palestinian people. and that for me is how i kind of come into the movement and saying, listen, we need to make these connections. there's also the incarceration connection, somebody's fame for profit incarceration, for profit, a prison companies that incarcerate black and brown people in the united states and make money off of them are the same companies that, that profit off of the incarceration of palestinians in the west thinking also within israel companies like g 4 s,
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so there's also an economic conversation to be had here. and for me also watching the kind of young people who are now engaging in electoral politics in the united states. but really in other parts of the, the world, particularly in the west where we're electing more members of parliament, more members of congress in the united states of america who are ready to be apologetic about supporting the palestinian people. and that's new. we've never seen that before. in our lifetime, or at least i haven't seen that in my lifetime. and to your point more about, you know, be going to palestine, you know, i'm an american and so i carry an american passports. so me personally, i always have the chance of not being let in just based on my activism and really based on my very be make critique of the state of israel. but i have a son who right now is 22 years old and he carried the palestinian id card as well as an american citizen because of a derivative of a father who is palestinian and born and raised in palestine. and my son can go to jerusalem. and so when we go to palestine,
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i've been to palestine. many times we have been separated as a family cuz there's certain places that i can go and certain places that my son can't go. and i remember this, and i shared the story before that my daughter is who at the time a few years ago were younger, young teenagers, tweens, even were basically protected me in my village where my family's from because they found out that their cousins were not allowed to travel to jerusalem with them on a day trip. and my daughters were so outraged, they said, what do you mean? we're american. we flew on an airplane for hundreds of miles and we can go to jerusalem and the people who live 15 minutes away can not go. we are not going and i couldn't believe it. i just pay $700.00, a ticket for each child and my daughters will like, no matter what you tell us, we're not going to actually see from the trade and you money to be killed. all right, i want to bring up. i couldn't. i look from the mall, it's a what is a pet?
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i want to just describe it very briefly and then i'm going to play a video clip to you. i want you to come off the back of it, but festival the acronym p, p. what's up? as a person who is progressive except for power, but i want to be very clear that a my acronym people thing that for a very long time, ok the length of a palestinian critique. not me personally, although i did do a book which can be at least sitting here. yes. progressive pilots. it was, i wrote with my dear friend and colleague, michel pitney. indeed he is. and so but yeah, it's those people who had progressive politics and all the major issue, palestine, all right for a minute. now that you know the acronym the mark has used, but he didn't come up with. i want you to listen to livia and then respond to her video comment. here we go. being progressive except on palestine. daisy,
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we don't learn world history in us schools and forget hearing anything about black history, which can be one entry point and elimination circles. but the tide, they're changing because now we have things like snapshot and talk that might sound because in this way we all become eye witnesses to history and pulling around the world. we get to access with generations of black and passing and liberation circles and been trying to talk for decades. yeah, i think the key to the question of the pep is that we can identify it. we can point to it as a contradiction, but we have to point to it as an unsustainable contradiction, right? we can't say there are pet, but if it's some court, if it's some personality court like you know, you know, we have to see it as a morally and sustainable position. so we're, we're progressive except for south africa. it's all we're progressive except for marriage equality. so we're, we're progressive except for, for, for ending slavery. and in the 18th century, when they forgot their,
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their path. right? no, we would say that that's a morally unsustainable position, but because of how much we have normalized palestinian oppression, there's a way that even the palestinian liberation movement among liberals and often liberals i. and as we make it seem as if being a pep is okay. or that the quirk as opposed to something that's actually outrageous . you cannot be progressive except from out that that's right. you know, i'm just wondering if you go for us on august 2nd. got now a thing. unfortunately, that's actually all over the movements that we're part of. it's not just like you know, in one certain space it's that we come to move bit spaces around immigration and people not seeing the content connection between borders and immigration and talking about an issue like palestine are talking about racial justice incarceration, or even talking about you know the military, industrial complex, like palestine is a part of those conversations. if you are a person that believes in global justice, when we're talking about
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a global pandemic, where i almost 550000 americans died and many, many more across the world. why shouldn't we be fighting for palestinians to also have access to the vaccine, for example, or health care for palestinians or the right to travel for, for palestinian. and for some reason in our movements, people believe that you could be pro immigration and go stand at the border and say, oh my god, i cannot fathom the separation of family and children. but then you support the state of israel, who does that to palestinian families. all the time when you say i don't support white supremacy in the united states non and stand up against white supremacy. but i support the state of israel, who has nation state laws that are literally codified, discriminate against palestinians and other minorities in the state of israel. that literally treat palestinians who live within the israel, 2nd and 3rd class citizens. so that kind of, of what mark is talking about morally unsustainable is all hope inconsistent. and so i cannot trust you in the movement if your kind of lens around racial justice or
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justice in general is only in the american context. and you can't seem to apply that across the world. and that is kind of the tension that we found in the movement, particularly around policy. and for me it's not about palestine being a litmus test. i'm not, i don't test people at the door of the movements. i don't ask you what your position is on palestine, but it tell me a lot about who you are. if you can support a state like israel and be able to come to a movement and say black lives matter in the united states, it just doesn't. it just doesn't kind of make sense. and also for people. ringback will say yes, of course. linda netanyahu is a fascist. he's a bad leader. he is, you know, disgraceful leader in the state of israel. but remember, palestinians have been displaced, dispossess occupied, just 1948. netanyahu has not been the prime minister of the state of israel since 1948. so this idea of trying to like use nathan, yahoo as a boogeyman and everyone's like, standing with me on the street saying yeah, nathan young, that it's not enough. i need you to say an occupation, i need you to say lift the ti, john gaza. and i need you to say that you see the liberation of the palestinian
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people bound up with the safety and security of jewish people. and if you don't see those 2 people being able to co exist in a place and be all able to live under one constitution where they will access to laws, it's just not going to work. and it's not going to work. and the, and the movements are not accepting any other kind of conclusion or resolution to this concept. walk me down. i wouldn't have a look at some pictures that i put together on my laptop because it's sort of a progression of the civil rights movement into where we are now. was life math movement. this is in the hama, dolly. i believe this is 970 visiting how this thing is in a lebanese refugee camp. then we phosphor george floyd muriel's from around palestine. rest in peace, big floyd. this is remarkable. and then i'm just going to end here, mark on our new instagram, and you shed a portrait of george floyd hanging in gaza city. where are we now?
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where does this solid our t get us? what difference is it going to make? very briefly, mark i, i believe that it's a re energizing of those connections that linda talked about, that you know, the forties and fifties we've seen connection to the 66 in powerful connection. and when you see those pictures of your slide on the wall, the party wall in bethlehem, or when you see in the city, you see that people are paying attention to what's happening here. and when you see us in, in, in the united states, paying careful attention to what's happening and guys, it was happening in the west bank. what's happening inside of israel? what's happening fast, where the mom and i lead it shows you that we're on the right path. but the key now is to test our political will glad enough to just say black lives matter enough to just a free palestine. we have to do the work of voting, the right way, organizing the right way, spent the right way, et cetera. i've got one more question for you. linda, unusual. i'm going to make it very quick. you've got one minute to answer the
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question. now, what can we do to help our brothers insist as in palestine off, donovan. good question for you. linda, to wrap up with? absolutely. i need people to stay unapologetic about their public support for the palestinian people. do not back down, do not worry about the weapons of anti semitism, but you are on the right side of history. so to keep sharing the stories of palestinian as marks that make sure in elections that you both the right way particular and federal elections. so we can see more rashid at leave, than ill hon. omar as inquiry bullshit. and jamal bowman, and also support your power in family and friends. not only those live, of course, and palestine based on your, amplify their voices. so i appreciate that question and black and palestinian solidarity forever into so mountain them on tail. it's really good to have a you see them that live in person. have a look. care on my laptop. you can follow them in the digital world as well. and into saw on twitter and this month, lamont hill on twitter. thank you, mark. thank you,
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