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attended that military parade in bangor, lucca. oh, those are all good news. all is the new york gathering here is the best answer to those who challenge us who say we cannot celebrate january 9th. when we say we cam rose to constantly send us some sanctions. to me, this is proof. i've listened to you that i was elected on your behalf, that i am not here to do what the americans want. but what are people want? ah, quick reminder of the headline stories. now, at least 200 people have been killed and thousands more displaced after multiple raids by gunman in northwest nigeria this week before returning to their damaged villages, say the violence was retaliation for as strikes on the attack. as high doubts, mass burials have been held in some forest state after hundreds of gunman or motor bikes reportedly attacked 10 villages. or protest her has been killed ensued on
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after being hit in the neck with a tear gas canister. during the latest demonstrations there against military rule security forces in the capital, hard to open fire to disperse people, gathering near the presidential palace, or then 60 people have died in protest as the army seized power. in october, maine, pro democracy group is rejected you and efforts to hold talks with the military cause it sounds health ministry saying at least 164 people are confirmed to have died after violent protest rocks. the country recently. it's a significant rise from previous figures and it includes at least 2 children. 16 police officers or members of the national guard are also known to have died. the u . s. is urged. president, cousin ger. mike took i have to rescind is shoot to kill policy. we've made clear that we expect the because government to deal with with protesters and ways that respects their rights that pulls back from violence at the same time. it of course, as a right to the free order is now or shoot to kill. that is something i resolutely reject
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the shoot to kill the order to the extent it exists is wrong and should be resend it. well, in our other headlines, their reports have gunfire in afghanistan. capital with witnesses cutting out his era that to rockets if it's a police hospital in cobble as reportedly an ongoing battle between the taliban and the perpetrators of that attack. and the west african regional leaders are imposing new sanctions on molly, including border closures, spending financial transactions and withdrawing their on bass. it is, the announcement was made as an eco y summit in the main capital across the sanctions are in response to what the regional group says is an unacceptable delay by molly to hold elections following a military coup in 2020. so talked, roger, there is a program coming up next. we'll have more news for you off to that at 20100 gmc, i'll see then ah,
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oh oh oh ah oh merlin. oh, on conventional capital city for ever changing lou and yet forever defined by its turbulent past divided by a concrete barrier for decades. the berlin wall split the city and polarized germany into 2 peoples. a palpable political schism, a symbol of the power. an ideological struggles between east and west
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shattered refuge conquered germany as a graphic symbol of the desperate need of reconstruction. after the end of the 2nd world war, berlin became the epicenter of a new world order. ah, divided between the wars victors, the u. s. u. k. france and the former soviet union controlled different parts of the city. the geopolitical tensions between the eastern and western blocks eventually led to the cold war. the former zones controlled by east and west emerged as new nations, the capitalist federal republic of germany, and the communist german democratic republic. at the peak of it, berlin was one of the most strategically critical places, the world. ah, in the early hours of august,
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the 13th 1961. the 1st barriers of the berlin wall rose along the eastern border. the concrete blocks put up in the days that followed, marked an immediate new reality cut in our families and friends and the world of freedom. the broadest of ash, bent on daily declares statement of u. s. policy in the wake of the construction of the wool. our soviet leader nikita khrushchev maintained that as long as the concrete walls still stood, western leaders could not declare victory. but as the soviet union's power and influence began to decline in the late 19 eighties, it spelled the beginning of the end for the eastern block. the east german government couldn't keep functioning without the support of the soviets. change was
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coming in the early days of november, 1989 east germans turned out in huge numbers demanding reforms. on the evening of november 9th 1989 history was made is unknown to november sun. this polish a thought they did it with guitar. glancing up so far to get among go from the tent, he taught it demolished, to invite off, and the rest, as they say, is history. i'm stephanie decker, and welcome to berlin. when the borders opened, at present in the city with a whole new world of opportunities and also to the people who lived here and now was 32 years on the german capital continues its process of transformation. it's city that's been described by many as being in a forever state to become an ever bee. and perhaps
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that's what makes it the pulsating city. it is to day, forever marked by the clashing dogmas, the east and west represented in every neighbourhood in its public space. in the way the city has been expanding, gentrifying and within its world renown street art. the wall may have come down, but the decades of polarizing ideologies and policies that it represented had been harder to break down. what is berlin today? and had the barriers that this war created been broken? is there still an east versus west on this edition of talk to al jazeera in the field will be exploring berlin's identity will be joined by berliners to discuss the cities, anti status quo legacy. and how that's reflected in what many consider to be europe, unapologetically, rebel capital ah,
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how much dell mark knows berlin? well, he studied here and partied here during what many would say was it's heyday in the 19 ninety's. and now is an urban planner. yes. in the city change over the years. so this is your vision for 2017 by that name exactly. the linen font book. so that both the for the itself but offer for the entire region. focusing on sustainable development. he's looking ahead in how to manage a city that is constantly evolving water for fascinating. after after the fall off the wall, the city was like an open playground. there was so many empty building for to haven't been used before. and beth, a track of the inflow of credit of people, and that occupied the space at the same time, there was, of course, also
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a boom. expect that investment for there was a lot of buying of property. and trying to figure out who actually own something at the time, because even that was unclear on that period, but that economy boom, that everybody expected barely enough the portal to eastern europe and so on. that just didn't happen because it attracted artist optimistic people, you know, your community is the best clubs and all that. and it became off of the, the night life center here. just because the boom didn't happen. so it was a different boom that happened. i think that made the 5050, very interesting, even though that was not planned. it just happened to me because it's organic. we are plan if you plan, if you had that the same time, that's exactly what you want to know and exciting play with freedom. me that freedom over the decade is attracted artists, musicians, party people, creative thinker. berlin became known as
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a hub for street art and expression the, the interesting thing. it was like a big slave in the ninety's, you had annex building. she had a huge industrial sites that you could work on without problems. so i think there's a lot of fear that get attracted by this freedom in the ninety's, also graffiti writers and then 2000 the freedom of the street artist is also they travel a lot and they leave their traces behind in every city. so like space invaders from friends, he left pieces here starting in 2003 or banks. he was here to he left pieces also here a little wrapped. so many artist came here for that. the street artist passing by. so it street our tourism, or graffiti tourism because the graffiti right as new, it's easy here. more easy to find space, maybe less police present. less control is berlin,
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still attracting artists to come here in the same way that it did before. i think now the artist that they get aware that the rents are higher. so maybe there's some less coming. but it's still attractive because it still has turner to have places, maybe an inspiring vibe or something like that. and amazing spaces, ah, ah, increasing rents, and then i can, housing is an issue facing berlin. we put that to thomas. after the fall of the rule, the reputation berlin was that you could come, anyone could come here a new very cheaply do whatever they wanted. but that seems to be changing now. 30 years later that changed to the changing 1st of all, the tough took a longer. so the thing that initially didn't happen happened later and delayed for some european larger companies put their headquarters in berlin. moved here from
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frankford or even from london, they recently, of course, over the breakfast play the throne bucket. maybe even more interestingly is that to be freedom and creativity was so interesting that that became an attractive by its own company. if people thought out that environment, even if maybe they themselves weren't artists, they wanted to be close to them. you know, thought that we were the 1st pioneers and then a bit more mainstream followed. and let's not forget that also all these great people, they just got older for their part it a bit less merry than married. suddenly they have children, maybe they even started the company and now on the record label, what not. but it has become a real business and we see that happening now. is there a backlash to that? because berlin seems to be a city that if we generalize or against rule, they don't want more expensive rents. gentrification seems to get a lot of push back here at thoughtful,
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fascinating because it seems there are 2 parallel processes going on. on the one hand, there's the people here, the events that they have always been in the neighborhood and often enough of what's happening. they might even ask, what are these creative people doing here, and why is my rent suddenly much more expensive? i don't want any of that. and then on could say that recently it's observable that there's almost a paolo world emerging power system of international capital coming in the apartment paid by the company, whatever it doesn't matter, let's just go for it. and so there's a huge gap between these 2 systems, and that indeed leads to a backlash and to conflict at the moment. and to see that we see that, especially in courts, that if they have the fancy shop opening, the window gets smashed regularly. not because of a particular have against that store, but just to, you know,
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to try to get them from the curve if you want your not to keep the speculation and the tech to repeat down. but that, of course, can't be the solution either. berlin has a very unique history with a wall east, west germany, and in general, how do you see that in berlin? how do you still see that today? you can see it if you know what to look for, for i think it depends very much. if you are from here, and maybe even though intuitively, you can also see it even and the light of the bulk of the 3 lamp on the pattern of the sidewalk, whether you are in the east, on the west. also importantly, there is a kind of heritage which is more to society and not for much in the built environment for that. they are still thing for cliche if which are typically eve are typically west. but maybe if you're new, come to the 50. you don't notice them, and that's possibly a good thing. you know, that the difference was disappear. ah,
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it's been over 30 years in the fall of the wall. i wanted to understand, does east and west remain and issue today, patrice buddha, bella, is the berliner, specifically west berlin and t. v. presenter. how would you describe yourself these days? berliner does east and west all matter to you. to me it actually does. but just like barely because like some people don't even know it. sometimes it's kind of, i feel offended in ways when sometimes i'm traveling wrong with people and they asked me it so as does the east and i'm wondering why would they think it's the eas, although that we are in the west. so. busy because they are not really so familiar because so many things have been billed or renovated within the last few decades. so of course i understand it's really hard to tell. um you have some street signs which still indicates in which pods you are it's. it's very diverse, but also a very chaotic and berlin. of course, it's not what it used to be like in the eighty's are, which is not a bad thing, but we have to figure out if it's
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a good thing ah, do you remember when the walk in? yeah, that was exciting. the thing is actually open. i actually lived back in and back in the days like in 89, i used to live in bedding, which was quite the area were born almost hoss when walk handouts was really right upon your neighborhood. yet it wasn't the naval in the west and, and of course it was shocking to a certain point ah, in, i already kind of felt like, well, i don't know if this turns out. well, it did turn well in some ways. but having after so many decades, still kind of an issue between an east and west. some not really talked about if you just go off with all these political cur currents, for instance, you see that there's quite a gap between what people in the western part of germany are voting and some of
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what people and in the eastern part of oil for so you can really tell that they're still kind of here for interesting. some people say that there's actually become more of a divide recently that the debate about the differences in eastern west has increase . and that it's important to recognize other people would say that with time, these things should have, should have lessened by now. well, as i said, for my generation, you somewhere something that's still an issue. it isn't going to remain an issue. now it's, it's got to become something which is a global issue. it's got to be between mark, up and down. it's going to be between like, wealthy and, and, and that's not fair with . sabina grew up in east germany for her divisions and challenges remain when it comes to east and west. she shows us a picture of her 1st ever trip to the west. and once the wall came down, she's written
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a book about the generation that grew up under those changes and challenges her generation. the history always ended in 1989 with the people dancing on the wall and everyone is happy and then sort of unification. germany boom, a powerful country on that. but for us, like the east germans, the 90s were still completely different than for the west germans, for the west, germans, everything continued as normal. and their country just gotten a bit bigger. they had maybe more but unities to buy property or get new jobs. but for us, like everything was upside down. one of the issues these days still that you feel people have issues with being from east germany having been from east germany. and do people still talk in the form of east and west? yeah, totally. i would say even more than ever. and i notice it in myself. i never, i never wanted to be an east german. i just wanted to be a german. the meaning of the word has changed and because you get stereotyped. so
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monscheier is germany who is german. so you do that, you were your parents at this darzy like at the scene for police saw and did you have enough to eat or all these sort of stereotypes from the, from the ninety's have changed. they're not, they're, they're not so crude any more. the stereotype says that a little bit more elaborate, maybe i would say like, um, you're always in a position to explain yourself and to justify yourself. because i'm the, because you're from the, as of the barbara mark and i was long printed on the phone for a bunch of friends with what happened here just over 30 years ago. this is significant. so yeah, exactly. so people were rushing to the border crossings like within berlin, like what this was. this was one of them, and they were just standing there sort of quietly and demanding to be led through
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because as, as press conference, they said it now. yeah, it's not as young as immediately like, and they were waiting and waiting. and inside to the authorities to policeman the soldiers, they were like super nervous and not really knowing what was going on or what should, what they should do. and they couldn't reach any of the bosses. so like around 930, i think they made this decision by themselves more or less to open the bridge and then people were yeah, flooding over into the western district off of wedding search. so i still start to cry, i think, you know, and i don't know, it's like, it's like a really big event and i'm really happy about that. that happened. and then it was part of my, my time. so to say the people made this happen. you know, peacefully like, not a single shot was hired. it was a big thing. you know, for a german person, we didn't have so many peaceful revolution so. so it's
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a source of pride and happiness that day. and i remember my parents being very excited of the so called light, not the unification, but like something different. and i know it was a minority, like people in the info just for safety, the deutsche mark the unification. but not everyone was like that. and yeah, that was of cause then sad wonder and there was this election and march, it was decided that there would be a, a relatively quick unification. not as quick as it then happened to her that her little brutal. yeah, it felt like it felt like a brutal stop because then suddenly it was like clear that just everything would be taken over from the, from, from west germany and nothing from the media was kept. and then within that year, 1990, basically everything changed. you know, even basic things like when they, when the dodge mark arrives everything the supermarkets change, you can find any,
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any product from the past any more. and not that you one love this old product so, so much. but it was like a sort of like everything that was home suddenly changed. and in my school the teachers disappeared because there were this darzy checkups and send me a while and no one little guy ever legacy remains strong. yeah. the sadie legacy, even after 30 years her remains very strong. now, you know, even now it is, it is also being being used to drive our competitors. one could say, i mean and why? well, if you are an east german and you are like, want to have like a powerful position or so you being checked, you know, there's a whole sort of chain of journalists who just sort of ask for files if there's anything you know, and the study on this as a file on the south, the fall authority, and if there's anything or is already enough to have like to cast a doubt, you know that you were sort of like go super mater also and then your,
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your, your career can be ruined. i mean, so many people's careers have been burned in the ninety's, and i'm not, i'm not sort of justifying what the stars did. i mean, not at all. i mean people who were and foremost and did harm other people. of course they shouldn't be in public position so, so, but it was also completely mean the whole system. this daisy and farmers weren't the bad guy in not just singularly the bad guys. i mean, who were the people behind them? i mean, the party or so and the whole, the whole functionary elite and they weren't prosecuted that if you were unlucky enough to have, like sort of in your eighty's when you were 20, a couple of chats with the wrong person. this could term destroy your career now. so here what you want your children, i suppose when they're older, to remember, and to take away from this and maybe can't teach their children. this is a diverse generation. i think we're the east to west conflict won't be so prevalent
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anymore. i mean, when i was growing up, they thought that my generation wouldn't be a topic anymore. but that was wrong. that takes much, much longer. but i want them to know, you know, that already now in kindergarten it says a little bit that they get this. yeah, i the sort of east germany, the g d. i was just sort of prison. stayed basically. and the life was horrible. and i, i just want them to differentiate child between the state and the private liason dumb. just sort of tell them that g o, it was slight, much more complicated on a day to day on a day to day basis. and that it's also something to be, to be proud of this sort of democratic legacy. do you think your children will be affected still by the east west narrative? i think it will still be there for them, but already now i see. and like people who are like young, like sort of like 30,
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maybe that for them, it's not such an emotional thing anymore. it's not sort of, they don't have this feeling to justify certain things. so ought to, they don't have to. so this heard maybe an emotional legacy that takes more than the pulling down of a rule to heal. but berlin is moving forward. how did the demolition of the wall affect the infrastructure and the development of the city? let's say from from then until now until where we are now, much of it actually has been become an opportunity for developmental holding, which at the moment of awful folly needed. that is also a question of gentrification. again, because these new building fall very or comparably expensive and that also me and so again in flog for, for new comers, so can afford the apartments to buy to own brothers, to be also beautiful apartment here or building
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a completely different rent level. and all these words are clashing and that's why i see the gravity here, you know. so look at that, that may be also just tagging, right? but also a statement of lead us as soon as the facade is newly painted, put the graph t on top, because i might keep the ram down a bit longer. now let's, let's resist a bit. and the resistance against under caisson is now everywhere in the city where the influx of money meets or it's in grown communities for that's the same case and for the fine which was in quite back, which is west. i'm so that way if you, if you read this again against the change on the mummy but, but again, i want to also say that in principle, this is not
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a bad thing because of course we want the 50 to become nice. so we want you talk to be fine and the city wants to collect more texas or maybe built more public transport. so all these things in principle are good. but what needs to happen is that the citizens in this neighborhood protect it from the negative effects of that so that they do not get pushed out or that they can still it is possible to balance that. and i think that needs a careful balance between yes, that's free markets, building your partner and also for the people are more money. why not? but at the same time, the people who have always been here to balance that and also to regulate that the change of at least don't happen too quickly and that no one is left behind. i think that's the important. thank you. it's
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a lot of your life here. you went to university here. you party. if you went into the squad you were saying to me, now you're helping plan the city. moving ahead like how do you feel about the changes and where the city is today? and general, i feel good about it because yeah, i have enough out your tool and i miss some of the, the old pioneer fair with dentist, open creativity and on the affordability also. but at the same time, look, i don't know, we have a much better choice of reference, not very return. so much more international. we hear all kinds of language with m, m. i thing, and i hope that that makes the city just richer. why not have a rest of the to mission stuff as long as the denies still van, you know, it's just as there's space for both of them. mm
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