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we bring you the storage and development that have rapidly changing the world. we live in. what do you think's been driving the volatility? counting the coast on al jazeera. ah, i asked them yeah. okay. you're watching the stream at the end of january truckers in canada was so upset with the vaccine mandates. they had a deity that they drove to ottawa and started a protest that protest is still continuing on monday. this is what joshua big a had to say about why he was still out on the streets. i've also lost more friends . the last 2 years are suicide. my whole entire life, my brother, to walk their jobs. i know friends that walk through drug. so i'm here to stand together for peace, love, unity, remote freedom. as long as i can drop is our mandate. frida,
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i go home room feed and convoy. we are unpacking what is going on in canada and also a power spreading around the world. we are doing that. we've justin and thank you so much. and to me for being part of our show today, just in please introduce yourself. try to local audience, tell them who you are, what you do. my name is justin lane. i'm a freelance journalist who reports for a variety of outlets i've been waiting for for the guardian, for political or no other outlets from i'm currently in auto. i probably curious as to why i'm sitting in the passenger seat of a car just on a reporting trip here in ottawa, some of the combo locations just outside the city. didn't make it back in time. so i'm sitting here holding in the field from his vehicle. justin, we appreciate you doing that for us. i'm all welcome to the stream. introduce yourself to our audience. tell them who you are, what you do. yeah,
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thanks for having me. i'm a assistant professor in the school of religion and the department of political studies at queens university in ontario, canada. i study social movements extremism, terrorism. it's a happy mom. welcome to the school, introduce yourself to audience. thank you very much sir. my name is madeline. good time, the publisher go to the magazine reserves, canada salvation drug and community. we are part of the new club to supply chain and to wish i could to have all 3 of them just all right, so we'll watching this on the 2 equally part of this discussion. i know you, siemens headlines. i know you've seen some of the footage on out to sierra coleman and questions, put them right here and i comment section and you can be part of today's show. i want to start with just a reminder for a wider audience about how this all started and we're going to go back to january the 29th when truckers from all over canada, they converged in ottawa around about 3000 trucks. 15000 protesters over the
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following 2 weeks, but as this blocked, u. s. can aid canadian border crossings. and then on february, the 14th i just earlier this week, i minister just intruder in focusing emergency at given the police sweeping powers to tackle blockades and also occupations as well. just thing that brings us up to day eats. how is this protest going on for? so long yeah, i actually think it's really important to note that it's very origin, this convoy with occupation. it's not about vaccine mandates for soccer. we know it's bad because the organizer that the participants keep telling us that's not what it's about. they repeatedly said, this is about all vaccine mandates across the country. this is about all public health measures. this about mask that this is about, in many cases, the safety and the efficacy of vaccines themselves. and in some cases, this is the and that the prime minister and the government resign or be removed
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from office, right? those employees actually know what these people are saying they're here, or there is a predominant prevalence anti vaccine misinformation that there's occupation. there is a preponderance of people who would like to see the prime minister arrested and tried to reason for crimes against humanity. there is a belief here that covert 19 is being overblown and hyped up in order to restrict our freedoms and potentially to remove our democratic way of life. so this process is about so much more then vaccine mandates for truckers. and the reason people are still here is because their grievances run so deep and are so broad my line go ahead. i see you nodding your head. absolutely. i do agree that it's the cocktail that there are so many different rated in groups. joining the truckers truckers at
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large i've been police in canada as well. canada trucking lines more than 80 percent. 8590 percent of truckers having call you back in and actually the other ones who are still ensuring that our supply chain is intact. you know there is food enough on our glossy cell then everything along with so truckers they there is a minority of practice which is part of this freedom conway. but there are many other groups of people which are frustrated. we all are sick and tired of and that makes restrictions locked down so you know, so definitely that is a cocktail of vested interest. oh man, this is i remember you can help me clear this up and dusting to do jump in and i'm always well is that if it's not truckers, where does the 3000 trucks come from and january the 29th then it's not that there are no truck out there, there are truckers involved but not necessarily all of them are and directors out there that they don't believe in back the nation. it's basically they want to come get rid of vaccine mandate, especially the cross border distinctions which came into poles on january 15th from
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canadian side, and then followed by a week later from the u. s. site. so the messaging is quite makes, and that is why you will find a different but idea of the groups joining the freedom. yeah, that, that's exactly right. and you know, i've spoken to some people who are here who have brought trucks. i've looked at some of the trucks that are here are trucks that are across the us, canada border, the trucks that will be impacted by the specs in mandate. they actually have a special number on the side that helps you identify that they are in fact cross border vehicles. and maybe what half of the vehicles have this, this u. s dot number. you speak to some of the truckers who are here in the admit readily, they don't cross the border but not even impacted by the vaccine men dance or so there are a lot of vehicles here that are not impacted by the mandate. there are vehicles here that are not quite right, but there are people here who have legitimate grievances and grievances that are not extreme in nature that are not necessarily conspiratorial. but again, you know,
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i've wandered through this purpose. i've spoken to the protesters, i've spoken to the organizers, i've looked at the social media b. i can tell you that the, the prevalence of conspiracy theories of misinformation is really, really acute. i'm are, can i throw this at in, this is from twitter and of from one of ab border community who knew we were having this conversation today. so on my laptop t o m t says, i've been really frustrated as to why media hasn't be focusing on the organizers intentions. partial organizers, canaday unity had explicitly stated and desire to remove democratic authorities. yet media or government has fell to really examine that. can you unpack the truth of that tweet, that story and, and, and the direction that, that twitter is going? yeah, i mean i, i disagree a little bit that it hasn't been focused on. i mean, i think we were talking about quite a bit, but i do, i mean, to underscore with justin was saying, i think there is a difference between the organizers of this protest and what you're seeing on the
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ground, right. the organizers of this protest are ones that organize the earlier united we roll campaign and we're part of the yellow vest movement in canada early on. so a lot of them are outright white. nationalists conspiracy theorists are kind of part of militia movements. one of them went on a kind of nationwide holocaust denial campaign. and so these are the people who are behind the organizing element of the campaign of the convoy. and i do think though that the people on the ground and many of them might have been swept away by the kind of called the conspiracy theories that we saw after march 2020. but i think as one of the person interviewed at the beginning of your clip are made clear. i think there is genuine anxiety and grievance there. road, a lot of people have lost their businesses. the mental health children have suffered. and so there is a kind of genuine pushed back to mandates and lock downs, but that i think that has to be separated from the organizers who are cd characters
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that we've known about for some time. i think when and as with mental practice that we cover, when will get seen to international news, there's always multiple reasons why protesters are actually out on the street and why the protests have grown. i want to bring it man be a barge, because what is fascinating is that most trackers in canada are vaccinated, and most canadians support vaccinations. and yet you have a protest going on that has got global attention. i want to bring a man, be a badge. he is a trucker as have a little. i don't support what they were doing at the border and also the other borders across canada, where they're disrupting honors flow between the us and canada initiative pack of cologne. as a professional driver myself, you will see me going out there and do anything like that. i believe in these mandates issue with the program and get back to it,
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but don't disrupt any commerce while they're trying to make their statement. when is that the majority view of professional drivers truck has do you think? absolutely. and one be definitely speaking on behalf of those majority of truckers, those who have been back to noted and those will continue to keep our supply chain busy. and that is by the government of the day. we're supposed to take some, some of the top measures because then the international trade and commerce comes to a halt. dean's protest spreading all the different port of the government has to come into picture because we cannot mistake the flow of goods especially, you know, when we want to come out of pandemic. you know, we really want to make sure that our supply chain domains intact and with the international obligation, canada has to take some strict measures so that these protests, the illegal blockades had many of those pulled up and they can be to move. i have so many questions that will go 1st just another 2nd. go ahead. go ahead. yeah, i actually think it's interesting that one of your viewers has not seen this notion
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in the media that some of these elements, some of the organizers, many organizations and calling for other extreme things represent the sort of sphere, coil, paranoid element, canadian society because a large screen are quite right, the media has been really slow to acknowledge a lot of these ties. some haven't, i've been doing my best to focus on the organizer since before they even arrived an odd one. some of my colleagues have as well, by and large, the media has been really unprepared to tackle the reality of all right, stream, this conspiratorial anti government organizations in this country writ large. and that's been particularly acute when it comes to this convoy and the it's doing occupation. i'm just a couple days ago and could tell berda the blockade of the border crossing there with the united states. lead to more than a dozen arrests and discovery of a stockpile of weapons. there's a real concern that the occupiers here in ottawa were, i mad also have some,
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some access to weaponry as well, potentially some areas where they may be stashing weapons. that's exactly why i'm sitting in car right now. we've been out trying to find a couple of those locations. so there is a real concern here that not only are the elements of this occupation of the past that are extremists in nature, but also that some of the organizers are using this is cover for some kind of occupation, some kind of complication with the government. there is concerns here that some of these people are not going to go home, even if police force and are willing and able put a line in the sand and to defend themselves. police here are numbered their own guns. they are prepared to maneuver and you know, there's really no telling when this could end or how this get it. i have, i have some questions for you. i'm, i'm going to show you gentlemen with our audience who are asking these questions.
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when i ask you to do rapid fire and can get in as many as possible. so 10 says i'm from college. these guys are the dangerous right wing. they have the they've been found with guns and ammunition. i'm all have you seen that? have you, do you know that? yeah, i mean, like i was saying, i think the organizers are definitely dangerous people and i just mentioned the quotes, the quotes border which is now cleared. it looks like it was largely brought to an end because the r c, m p came in after they found stashes of weapons, a massive, quite a large stash of weapons as well as arrested 13 or so people. and, and so that there's, there's no doubt that other elements in other, other cities are similarly armed or just not openly yet. i think that was part of the reason why they brought in the emergency act as well. the public safety minister just said, you know, we may not have all the facts, meaning public may not have all the facts. and i think that's kind of what he was hinting at when i go ahead to consult on that. yeah, you know,
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i was just going to mention that it is very disappointing to see that it is called a freedom con wide, organized by that because we're not getting the real issue. the genuine actual initials being used by truckers, whether you name the infrastructure, deaf is a dog getting on our highways, lack of wind. i was up in the north, you know we need immigration to farms. they know they've been based api shows. safety and compliance, not enough, but std us all these are issues which are impacting every truck out there. but have you seen a single placard or no? no, man, i'm saying no, because this is a whole new the out us that hasn't even reach the streets. so maybe whatever, yeah, yeah. then that then the entire world is looking at you bad. global media is god looking at drugs. there's nobody was talking about the real issue. you know, i think that is the missing point, and that is where the, you know, disappointing comes in. let me read some more thoughts or are just on an amana from you, cheap and opinion. i'm really interested in your opinion back to have you. it's not
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only about track as this practice is about government and not being able to force people to put things into that, but they don't want. is that an opinion a fort jefferson on the right? of course, i mean, there's plenty of people here who do not believe the vaccines are safe. we don't want to be forced to put to take the vaccine who object to the science who are misinformed about the science. we do not trust government does not us a pharmaceutical industry, but the reality is no one's forcing them to get the vaccine. they're saying, if you want to keep work, if you want to come to work everyday, if you want to go meet your coworker here to go pick up, you know, if you're going to go pick up a delivery, you're going to cross the border. if you're going to travel, then yes, you have to be vaccinated. you, you can choose to be vaccinated if you want. there will be consequences. this is how society work. this is the compromise we have to live in a society where there is health care and roads and police services. you can't drive
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around with the driver's license. you can't drive around without a seatbelt. you can't bring your gun around if it's not in the holster or we don't have a permit for it. there are rules. we have to abide by one of those rules. you have to get faxes against a deadly virus to make sure that you don't pass it on to others to make sure you don't qualify for health care system which is already under spring. that is the reason we have this mandate. if you don't like it, that's fine, you don't have to activate it, but there will be consequences for it. this is also this bizarre idea that i, i've heard a few times that you know, that they seem to be thinking that there are no regulations whatsoever. and there are no kind of vaccine mandates already, like my daughter before she can go to daycare, has to have a whole slew of vaccines and already have and we have vaccine passport. it's a little yellow card that we have to show the school before any one's allowed it to go to school there. so this idea that this is some new thing that it's just invented by the trudeau government to stay for freedoms. i think a is
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a major problem and large, and a lot of that comes from this kind of what the, what the w h o has called the an info democrat. this kind of pandemic of misinformation and, and disinformation and conspiracy theories around the pandemic. the lockdown of the mandate, which has been very prevalent since about march 2020 onwards. and so that's kind of colored a lot of what people these people have been decided. but, you know, this vaccine is with this pandemic is that it's a hoax that it's a kind of plot by the deep state elite to control them and so on. and so i think a lot of these ideas have been building for some time and, and now now we're kind of seeing the combination of a law, which is one also briefly about a post that talent tapping asked the string to investigate for us. i'm going to do that. i haven't says elite canadian special forces operators have been in convoy protests and ferrying supplies to our to our occupation is concerning that radicalization and a unit that may be called upon to protect the prime minister. a conspiracy theory
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as i have any water, any weight to it. what's going on there ama this is a story i think a day or 2 ago there were some individuals being investigated for being involved in the convoy. i think maybe just to have some more info on the details of it, but i think this is, this has been a concern for a long time, not just with this protest, but we saw, you know, the patrick matthews a few years few months ago or few years ago now, arrested for being part of several far right movement into this fear of far right elements within our military. it really got going after january 6 insurrection in the u. s. and it's also gonna concern in canada for some time now until i think we're just seeing some of those elements bubble to the surface i want to bring it doesn't go to the reality of that report is wilderness characterize? that's not at all. what's happening there are a handful of members of the cane. our forces were under investigation. it is wrong
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to say special forces are bundling or ferrying supplies to the occupation. it is wrong to say the canadian armed forces, or any unit thereof, supports the occupation or is or is assisting in it. that's just not at all what's happening. in fact, we are readily seriously or investigating any of their members thought to be dissipating or helping at all did with police forces across the country. you know, with really any major organization. i know that there is a lot of internal anxiety at any police force in any military unit of anyone there thought to be even supportive of this, of this occupation. they recognize it for what it is, which is illegal occupation of the capital. and in some cases the borders and i don't think there's gonna be a lot of tolerance for anyone who's passed it up holding the law dissipating in violation of this thing. you probably just did just intrude. oh hey, if i might just gonna push on cuz i just got a few minutes left at the emergency act was brought into play on february,
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the 14th. so just about 24 hours ago. they says, prime minister today we're not using any emergencies asked to call in the military. we're not suspending fundamental rights or overriding the charter of rights, the freedoms. we are not limiting people's freedom of speech. we are not limited freedom of peaceful assembly. we are not preventing people from exercising their right to protest. legally we are reinforcing the principles values and institutions that keep all canadians free just in seen any difference yet. now that, that you majesty act is the thing is, is now in play. no, none, none whatsoever. i anticipate people have, have left, i'm sure what are to have pulled up steaks and got home. but we were just traveling
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with some folks who are many of the sort of satellite locations supplied the boat outside the city. and they said they don't, they don't care by the their insurance get suspended, whether their license that gets revoked when their bank accounts get frozen. why there are the police that lame or find the party yesterday or the day before a bunch of protesters washing the fines they received down the port a potties they set up, i'd be in camp and none of this has dissuaded them. none of this has had been something twice. these people are here for the long haul. they believe i'm not going to be everybody here believes this. there are, are definitely a core contention people here. believe the government is legitimate, corrupt to get them spreading. it's pretty wise about the vaccines or beyond. there is a, there is this is become a home hub or all manner of seeing this information at the government. this information a 3 movement. and folks who don't want to see things continue the way they are and
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will stay here until changes. i'm going to close to the end. i do, and i do think that, you know, people really need to understand that many of these restrictions that they are potentially regulated, you know, they just went to, the federal government has nothing to do with what's happening in ontario and alberta. katherine for that matter. we didn't need to know that those distinctions, if there are any they are based upon healthcare limitation. the city where i live in banton, we had them health care. i went in to declare the when to go, where do you know vancouver, we'll do it in march. 2020, we are still living in an emergency, so there is no shortage of has given to the many of the largely, you know, populated areas. the shortage of health care workers we had, i mean to be called in for getting off our long term care. does it then? so yeah, there arbitration is between the need to be handled effectively, timely, by all levels of well, i'm just now, so please latch intervals. i want to show you a couple of videos. this is israel here on my laptop. this is
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a look alike. protest ok inspires my offer. so at envoy in israel that year. i'm going to go now to new zealand. protests any zealand inspired by the freedom convoy at one more just to show you. and this is in finland. this isn't in how see how sinking when you look at knowing that it started in ottawa. what do you think? very normal things are no different in so many countries where there have been some of the strictest, high shows are logged on conditions. people don't want to be dictated what to do, what not to do. there has to, people want to come out and lead their normal life once again, but every time they try to there is a new gradient of concern. there are international obligations, their international distinctions. so yeah, it's more of frustration, it's more of a pretty,
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but we really need to know that the w at your world had organization has still not called it off unless they call it off many of the global restrictions. i'm not going to go with that easy, better. the, you know, conway is here in ottawa, canada, in any part of is really good judgment to speech you. because does a lot of conspiracy theories out there are you've helped us understand man and from the truck has point of view, i'm out. you've been studying like when groups for a long time, so you've helped us understand that. and just then you're out there in the thick of things and you're correcting some of the thoughts and opinions that are coming through from our audience. and i really, really thank you. it's been such an educational and useful 25 minutes. and it went really fast gentlemen. thank you for being on the steering, appreciate all of you. thank you figured each of comments and questions i will see you next time. take everybody ah
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