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economic framework in the fact that russian central bank has your roller jazz that will not as well defined it as it was in make no mistake russian based on 2 things. one capital post and the other one is price prices back for 2014 levels. yes, it will go as you had brought to the now the central bank, it may take a lot of measure the for being multiple time. the sample that represents will be we'll see what you have to say. but right now the measure are actually helping to bring the market back consensus. but overall, the 3rd half, we're actually 60 percent of the you're already frozen. and it's very likely that the sample they will not be able to use the other half. the goal that the the maybe the return your call so that i think that i think it's going to be
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going to be quite a challenge for the current market. so depending on any introducing, not just market intervention, but also non marketing. when you actually ban russian brokers to implement the demand problem, i demand from floating point but we'll see what happens. i'm trying to say that that's never happened in russia . it's never happened to company which has more than 6 kinda dealing the gotta figure that's almost cock question to be. it's a huge amount and the fact that this amount of growth and was actually canceled and know by the western government. i know everybody. and we mentioned, we mentioned just before it came to you, the russian central bank response is raising its key interest rate to 20 percent. that's quite a large number just to explain to the uninitiated among us,
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what's the thinking behind that? right, so this is a number which would not be in detention. so that wasn't panicking 2014 after prices are all intention to use up in the crimea. and that was a couple of days in december when that was real turbulence in the market. and even then the interest rate was not really any prefer. so the idea operating interest rate is trenton, little low. basically the arbitrage is very simple. you can buy dollar, or you can buy it in 20 percent a year. all of our money is just a symbolic matter. we're going to have to leave it there. thanks very much for your time. so gay, good. you have that. appreciate you talking to us. that is it for this a half hour, but to stay with us because we will have the latest on developments in ukraine in about half an hour right now. it's upfront on counting the costs. awesome.
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tina turns to be a master resting. but does the from really offer a hard to find out some stability pumping patches of fuels? will banks ever quit policing with the poor us the how, how a farm is happening? shortage. counting of the costs on al jazeera, russia has launched a full scale invasion of ukraine following weeks of direct truth build up along the 2 country shared border and failed attempts at diplomacy with reports that russian troops have entered here, we speak with your cranium member of parliament leslie about the lingo was currently in the capital, and we asked how we got to this point and what's next for her country, the last year about the link. oh, thank you so much for joining us on upfront as we speak, you are in ukraine on the ground there in the capital of what is the situation there right now? it's one of the most tense,
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the 36 hours that ukrainians have had at least ukrainians of my age grade as us ward bleach war which is firing up all throughout the country. russia is targeting both military and civilian targets. we are being hit all from all over the place on the ground and, and there and also from the side and i guess ukrainians of shock. 5 of what we are seeing, what we are experiencing, and what we're living through, it's less than any kind of my math. you could have ever dream though. you say ukrainians are still in shock until very recently. ukrainian president vladimir valencia was downplaying, the risk of an invasion to avoid panic. and a poll from earlier this month found that only 20.4 percent of ukrainians thought that a full scale invasion would happen soon. did you see this coming?
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i was hoping this would never come i lunch and these a t as to her as for the best and the fact with a was of the many of the ukrainians. but to be honest, nothing can prepare you for a full long war with the biggest military power in europe, the biggest military power, the walls and the nuclear power. there's nothing that can provide you with stand that on your right. so really when the president of ukraine was saying that, ok look, we're actually a t, as we know we're going down, we had the stress of escalation and so on throughout the years, all of that was actually true. and i mean to have the population in panic in fear would have caused problems in the streets and would have actually played very
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well into brookins big masters on to eradicate independence ukraine on the face of the earth. but instead the population state bird was there was the ceiling. ringback of unity which was growing and that's the feeling of unity is what is helping us right now with this child in poor speech to announce this attack on ukraine. he talked about how quote ukraine is not just a neighboring country. he said that it was, quote, an inalienable part of russia's history, culture and spiritual space. and that modern ukraine was entirely created by russia . given this mindset, was there any chance that ukraine would have a chance to function as an autonomous, a truly autonomous state? yes. on this is what you bring in the fighting, or this is why myself or my follow mentary. colleagues, the government,
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the present been, are asking about less than allies politically. what future has declared in his the crazy my speech is, is a pack of lies. casserly draw this for him by credibly and most of my it was an equally provides his mind on lack of knowledge about history whatsoever. so you print as an independent country, ukrainians, not russia. you bring in people love their freedom, we fight for our freedom. we bring our children up with the law of freedom, and this is what we're doing since we know we are fighting on the defense against an offensive from russia to have the right to exist and to live. and i think that while any nation in the world and he would be doing the same, it would be fighting for their country and the right of that country to exist. in
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that same speech. vladimir putin also made the point that nato exercises had been taking place in ukraine over the past few years. and he said that the military contingency of nato countries have been almost constantly present on ukrainian territory under the pretext of exercises. given that nato has always been used as an excuse by moscow. do you think that needles, involvement in ukraine, carrying out exercises, but falling short of giving ukraine actual needle membership? has it ultimately hurt the country? look, ukraine needs nato. nato need ukraine in order to stabilize relations with russia. that is, a sooner claim comes with who on member of nato. that's it. region has nothing to fight for the spheres of influence. as she likes to call, it would have been decided and, and over and game. but what respectively, the,
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the approach that's been taken so far, that is to say, the nato exercises, the lack of full nato membership, did give, put in the pretext necessary to engage in the actions we've seen over the last 36 hours. if it wasn't for an acre, which i would have found another pretext, because brouge and one ukraine inside of russia does not admit an independent ukraine. fujen is crazy on this has been proven time and time again, starting from his speech starting from the show shows a trial style way. he made his decisions to invade ukraine and have recognition, so to speak from his people to invade ukraine. look, we are dealing with a psychopathic leader of a very, very big country of a very big army and other nuclear states. and i think that the world should really be mindful of that and not give into his lives on his manipulations. and be aware
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that if we are all to code this, normally we should follow the rules set up for us after world war 2, which works pretty well, i guess. and one countries followed them. but when one country starts pulling out from those rules, it's the responsibility of the international community to stand up to it. it says so and the un charter which all these countries that are now nato allies, they have signed together with the great. so it's now been around ability of the international community to stand up for ukraine, because ukraine has done nothing wrong. we have made a free choice as a sovereign state. we have not threatened russia in one way or the other. we have made a decision about how we act with our own directly was our own military, and who are partners? russia didn't like it. so russia uses its force and its might to invade ukraine. i
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think you can for offense here. ah, the a who is in the role and who is in the right a, how can ukraine much, much smaller country was much, much smaller and less developed army be a threat to, i'm sorry, i repeat myself, but the sad, biggest song in the world and the biggest down in your house, we can, we can agree here that russia is part of the aggressive last week. president zalinski appealed to the international community as well as you have just done thing. we don't need your sanctions after them. barduage will happen. and after our country will be fired at or after, we will have no borders or after we will have no economy. why would we need those sanctions then? multiple countries, multiple countries of now announced that they will impose unprecedented sanctions on russia. do you feel that this is ultimately too little too late?
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what are these unprecedented taxes? where are they? i don't see them on the see them president sanction would be the swift white crane wants to switch russia from swift. swift operations are used with russia to buy one gas while a gas or the main commodities resources which feeds the rush in the condoms. if they're switched off from the swift means that they don't get the payments for the oil and gas. so immediately we sort of took 2 birds with one stone. there's also to know isolation of russian markets and of russia's biggest market. and clearly this would be the sanction which, which had the most just switching them off from the swift and finding and not the way to pay for the oil and gas. well, of course they won't care about switching off from this list in that regard. so it's, it has to come together today, i think that the, the early right and correct, rowse morally and legally thing to do, all of the, you know,
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of the international community is a, provide you great with enough defense capabilities. and actually just contingent here and to grant, so that we can stand for the blitzkrieg back from russia. and to is to import such factions that will actually isolate that country or rather that's crazy leader from the rest of the world because the world does not need to be poisoned, was the successes he ought to tell terry and regime in an address to the nation on the 1st day of the invasion, president zalinski said we have been left alone to defend our state who is ready to fight alongside us. i don't see any one you've talked about the kind of thanks. if you'd like to see the type of moves you'd like to see the international community engage in, is there anything else you need the international community to do to recognise, to engage in order to see the current crisis and quickly but the international community can choose either to act or to continue to was just
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political statements. political statements are very nice. we are very grateful for them. they, they show who side to who people are on. but look, when you do treat the hash tag, stand with ukraine or support ukraine. it's not the mouth, you know, it's not the most stop. the russian miss thousands, the russian lanes hovering over the keys and the russian thanks. moving into our roads and destroying them completely along the villages and along with innocent civilians. what needs to be done is really show us if you are prepared to stand with us because you are standing with us, not, not just the state of ukrainians and a pretty big country in europe as well. you'll standing with your own safety and security. what we need now is actually un peace be be skipping contingency ukraine since we are not the nato members. ok, fine. fair enough. but un, with the general assembly can adopter solution on sending peacekeeping
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a contention since ukraine. they don't need the security council for that. we can go the same way that the van in korea and mentioned 50. we've seen pictures of bombs out residential buildings. embassy international says that it's confirmed that civilians were killed in a ballistic missile strike outside of a hospital. in vall had our and eastern ukraine. ultimately, what would be the human cost of all of this for the ukrainian people? it will be huge because it's not just the need yet casualties of war that we are still counting. but it is also the future of our children. the mindset was which they are often i'm, i'm of those 3. my oldest is 8 years old. he's a boy. and already i can see the damage. this is doing to him hearing older as strikes the sirens. i is seeing old, the playing, having to constantly go down and speak the shelter. ah, you know,
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this is what of the future. ukrainian generations are going to grow up as was lots of psychological issues because of the war. and that has to also be known and understood, but so far as about civilian targets. so 33 civilian targets have been hit. in the last 36 hours. this is absolutely and he leaned in on acceptable 3 of those targets work in the gardens, children. they don't stop at nothing, those book and they're crazy liter. we'll stay and if i'm staying because i am a member of parliament, i have responsibility to my people and i have responsibility to, to my country as the national citizen, many credit was born in ukraine rate. and i also, i have responsibility to my family today. ukraine is mobilized, meaning that everyone who can hold
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a gun is fighting and is holding that gone against the russian aggression does not way i can lead or a whole bunch of reasons that she has to let go. thank you so much for joining us and upfront. ok, ah. in the past year the ice cream company been and jerry's was accused of terrorism. actress m a watson was called an anti semite actor, mark ruffle faced, virulent attacks on social media. and a 4 page ad in the new york times portrayed musician do a lipper and models bella and ged deed superimposed over an image of hamas rocket. what do they all have in common? speaking out and support a palestinian rights, but the backlash isn't limited to high profile companies or even celebrities. in recent years, there have been hundreds of cases involving censorship. and silencing of those in the west who advocate for palestinians is the label of anti semite being used to
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suppress voices calling for human rights. joining me now to discuss this are the morality. she is founder and director of palestine legal and barry trachtenberg. he's a professor and historian of jewish history at wake forest university. thank you both for joining us on up front. but let me start with you. how is it that standing up for the human rights of one group of people, palestinians as come to be equated with anti semitism? well, i think we have to understand that this has been something that decades in the making . we're talking about a state israel that has done everything in its power to prevent a people that it occupies that it has dispossessed, that it oppresses that it practices apartheid against it. it's done everything in its power to prevent palestinians from gaining self determination from gaining their human rights. and so one of the main tactics that
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again has been decades in the making is an effort to sneer. anyone and everyone who questions israel foundation on the dispossession of palestinians as anti semitic. the other pillars that, as you noted is too near them as terrorists if they resist, if they, you know, question israel's practices. and so we have to see it in this broader and much longer historical context of the ways that israel has been trying to repress it. growing solidarity movements with the palestinian people and this effort to typically redefine anti semitism in a way that encompasses basically any criticism of israel is, is, has, has really gained ground in the last several years. in particular, to the extent that this definition has been codified in laws around the world,
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including in the us and europe, especially very backlash against celebrities and companies. makes the headlines of course, but there's also a wide spread retaliation against those who are less high profile, including really especially college students. academics, how has this issue affect the campuses in scholars it what this does is it forces students and professors to really self censor in profound ways. we've had a number of high profile cases in the academy, professors who have lost their jobs been denied job offers who have faced regular assault on account of their scholarship, which is peer reviewed. it's accepted by the profession itself. but very often it's outsiders, you know, potential donors to, to university supporters of israel,
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who mouth large media campaigns to try to get those professors defunded to get them stripped of their titles and get them kicked out. the university's student groups also face this fordham university. there's a group of students who've been advocating for justice in palestine for years, who cannot get their organization formerly recognized by the university. because that message is cut out that they are anti semitic when there's no hint of that whatsoever. and as many jews who want to participate in the movement who are also banned from doing that work deemed to barry's point, one of the things that is remarkable about the backlash is that it has affected even jewish people. even jewish people have been accused of anti semitism, sen, bernie sanders, who is jewish, and lost family in the holocaust. a he's been accused of anti semitism based on his view that the u. s. should not be an apologist for these really government as well as for his support a palestinian rights. a lecount minister accused natalie portman, who is israeli and american of engaging in borderline anti semitism. when she
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declined to go to israel to accept an award out of protest against former prime minister benjamin netanyahu policies. what do you make of the fact that even jewish people are being censored and accused of anti semitism? well, very alluded to. you know, this really is about policing 1st and foremost, palestinian expressions of their own history, their own experiences, their a reality under israeli oppression. and it also functions to make pariahs of anyone who stands in solidarity with them, who expresses support for palestinian freedom, who criticizes israel's own practices. and so i think it's part of the current developments over the last 10 or so years where you've seen increasing questioning within that jewish community of israel's practices. and
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that's in large part due to a strong grassroots palestine solidarity movement that has really integrated palestine into the progressive move. very, there's also a generational piece to this as well. we're seeing divisions grow between younger and older generations of jewish americans as well over israeli politics. one jewish writer for rolling stone put it. she said she was raised to quote, unequivocally support israel. but she also explains that because the conflict is defined by quote, either you support israel or you support its destruction, it's difficult to quote, even consider the other side. do you see a move toward younger people, younger jewish american to particular supporting a critiques of israel and if so, why it's happening. i think because of the gap between sort of the promise of israel and the reality of israel has just grown so great. and as, as younger generations are paying more attention to questions of racism,
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america, systematic oppression of people of color engaging in issues of, of queer rights. people recognize that there can't be this exception for the, for israel. and you know, my students, when they come into my class that i, that i teach on history and zionism, many of them has gone to israel on the free trips that are provided to college students for jewish college students, called birthright. they've been raised from around the world. thank you. live now to geneva, where the un secretary general antonio good ted is addressing the 49 session of the human rights council in geneva via video conference, listening, crushing in both visions
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from the college. an interesting let me know. all right, apologies. we're having some, some technical problems with our translation. there we do apologize. this is one un secretary general antonio to cherish addressing the 49 session of the human un human rights council in geneva, on the situation in ukraine. while we are trying to fix that, just give you a little bit of background on this earlier we heard from the ukrainian representatives in the russian referred representatives giving as you would expect
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to this point, vastly different pictures of, of what is happening to ukrainians there. and the suffering, the guy to the claim representative talked about how much you claim that having to deal with there in terms of just daily life, what it's been like for them in the 4 days, 5 days. rather, since this attack began, the russian representative focus very much on what was happening in don boss region . and the way civilians have been suffering now as a result of what he said were attacks by continued attacks by ukrainian forces. so there you see there, the un secretary general addressing the counselor in geneva from from new york via video link. we are still having some problems i understand in getting that translation lined up. in the meantime, we'll move on,
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russian and ukrainian delegations. i expected to meet about now as fighting is going on across ukraine and one of the latest advances russia says, is, forces have seized territory surrounding a nuclear power plant of east in ukraine. it says the towns of but young and adore her. in the 40 here, as well as the regents nuclear power, plants are under its control. key of is denying this it follows more explosions over night in the ukrainian capital and cities across the country. now the residential building engineer was hit ukraine's army as russian forces have been showing in almost all directions. more than 350 civilians are thought to have been killed so far. a russia says its forces are fighting relentlessly to defense. ministry has appealed to civilians to leave the capital. key of we'll go out. it was, it is believe, a lot of them are ukranian authorities declared marshall urging civilians to remain at their homes. it confirms their keen on using them as human shields. there are
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rumors, the russian, reconnaissance and sabotage teams are working and key is, in fact, the nationalist gangs and murders are taken care of. because they were given weapons by the green authorities. we were appealing to kias population to leave the city on a certain road that we can guarantee safe passage. i want to retreat that russian troops are only hitting military targets. or i was going to know whose life was in the vivian west in ukraine. so janet, 1st of 40 hearing about these folks. 1 from the ukrainian side, what we hear is confirmation that the ukrainian delegation has arrived for talks, which is due to begin according to the time table as it was set out a little earlier any minute. now, no independent confirmation from the russian side or the better or some side about other attendees. but the ukrainian delegation we understand is
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a fairly high level one, led by the defense minister, alexi resonate call of other ministers there as well. and a number of n p's. so that's the sort of level at which these talks are going to be taking place on the ukraine. valerie and border, as i said, do to start any minute now. on the ukrainian side has said that as far as they are concerned, as far as what they're trying to achieve from these talks, it would be an immediate cease fire and an immediate withdrawal of rushing forces. from the other perspective, we know that the russians have not given any hint or indication that they intend to step back from any of their key demands. demands that include the neutrality of ukraine, guarantees that it will never join nato demands that include recognizing the declared independence of those breakaway provinces in the east of the country, including additional territory up to their original constitutional boundaries. and you could probably include in that as well, recognition the crimea is officially part of russia after it was annexed back in
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2014 most of the world. and certainly ukraine does not recognize that. now this ukranian delegation is certainly not going to accede to those demands. it seems highly unlikely that the russians a suddenly going to withdraw their forces. and therefore, it's hard to see quite where these talks have to go. and an additional point hovering over all of this rather ominous signs from the battle ropes inside. who've announced that they hastily held a referendum on sunday. the results of which approved the lifting of the countries . no nuclear status. that pays the way, potentially for russia to base nuclear weapons on valuation. soil and suggestions from american sources that the battle ropes inside president, alexander lucas, and may be preparing to contribute his own forces to the russian fight. john a whole thank you lives now back to the un secretary general antonio. chad as speaking this with him a few countries grambling on the rights of the rest of the worlds and the few
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