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3 countries hosting the event, the united states, canada, and mexico fans came out here in new jersey, right across the water from new york city to hear the announcement of which cities will get that honor. and they weren't disappointed because new york and the new jersey area count as one i, when one of those prestigious spots other cities in the united states include seattle, san francisco, los angeles, dallas, kansas city, atlanta, houston, boston, philadelphia, in miami, and mexico, guadalajara mexico city. and monterey, and in canada, vancouver and toronto, now which of those cities will host the prestigious final match that has yet to be decided? it will be announced in 2023. but i can tell you that officials here in the new york area are pushing hard for that honor. ah,
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for 4 visitors next month as it eases it's covered 19 restrictions. it's tourism industry has long complained about the amount of documents required from visitors. and how it's been hurting the sectors economy. a thailand will also no longer require masks to be warned in public. or it won't take that long to ronald 0. we've got more news coming up right after the stream. we'll see that later. ah, alger 0 with oh, hi, afily. ok,
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thanks for watching the stream. today we are going to be focusing on the presidential run off elections in columbia. it's so important that some of us day has been postponed for a week. instead, on june, the 19th colombians will get to pick their new president, we will take an in depth look at the candidates and if you have questions, youtube is right here. put your comments or questions in here. the part of today's show ah, i'm looking forward to the analysis that we're going to get from elizabeth flower and silvan. a welcome old t the stream. elizabeth, please tell everybody who you are, what you do great to be here with you today. my name is elizabeth dickinson. i'm the senior analyst for columbia international crisis group. we work on armed conflict and prevention of conflicts. it to hattie hello lauer welcome, please introduce yourself to our global audience. i thank you for having me. my name is larry campbell. i am an assistant professor in political science at the university of utah. i is study democratic backsliding in latin america in
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particular in columbia, which is my home country. i get sadly on savannah. welcome. please introduce yourself to our stream view us. hi, my name is susanna mar dot, and i work for control risks. i am the senior analyst from the team, a global risk analysis, and i am in charge in columbia, and there's a list in colombian politics. thanks, savannah. all right, let's start out with our 2 presidential candidates. they appear to be quite different. let's start out with gustavo petro at. we've got a couple of facts here. elizabeth, help us understand. gustavo, what kind of candidate is he? it is a left, a senator is a former and 19 member which is an armed group. 3 time presidential candidate is full time, a charm? elizabeth? more? yes. so pictures of the interesting character because he sort of come to embody the,
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the political left here in columbia. a partly because he's just been such a player for such a long time because of his outspoken role as a, as a senator because of his time as mirabella at but this time around is, is probably that the moment when he has the best chance, at least according to the pull so far, to become the president of columbia. and in fact, if you were to do so, it would be the 1st time in really over half a century that columbia would have a left leaning president. so this is really a watershed moment, and i think what petro has been able to do successfully 2 things. first, he has been it really the candidate who has most successfully, let's say, read the post of frustration among everyday column means a concerns about daily life ability to pay their bills sort of to get ahead in life . there's a fascinating and, and as we're terrifying statistics from the o. c. d that it takes 11 generations. it would take 11 generations for a child born in poverty and columbia to rise to the middle. the median income in
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sort of earning the middle. and he's been able to channel that frustration in a way that other candidates haven't been able to do. and i think that's what's given him the opportunity to, to come forward at this moment now. and let's look at his opponent together. so this is what i have about with no fo hernandez so much more, but there's more information to come, i'm sure from you. so he's a businessman, not just any kind of businessman. he is a millionaire business, i'm going to put the facts up there on the screen for you. what it so that you can see this as well. he is a full man as well. he's an independent candidate. so that means what does he stand for loud? well, what i his point. yeah that's, that's a hard question. he doesn't have much of a policy. he there will be recall and then they seligman candidate. he runs against politicians broadly speak and defined as evil. he runs in a and they corrupt in a campaign. he has claim he wants austerity by cutting both essential and what he thinks, honest jose state entities. he,
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he doesn't quite locate himself in the left, right. it's spectrum in the way you would expect. normally he's more of a. yeah. well, because they salish meant, like he just runs against politicians. yeah. and he got to wait. that would be a very popular campaign, i imagine, because of politicians in columbia politicians to watch over a nort, nestle, particularly popular elizabeth. he's known as the tick tock candidate, and i'm going to show our audience some of his take talk so they understand exactly how he's campaigning. let's have a listen. let's have a look. ah, like a a
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. all right, so this is a genius digital team. but how is this going down in columbia? people not end up with a loving these take talks. is his message getting across, leaving with this strategy a successfully done is really channel this anti establishment feeling. there's a great frustration with this sort of closed a political class that hasn't allowed others to rise up through the system. and what it does is really embody that in he is a social media campaign. he's refused to go to official debates and he's refused to do campaign events which you describe to sort of orchestrated in, you know, it charades. and he's really actually, this is actually also allowed him to not take concrete positions, but rather to sort of ride this populace wave of anti establishment anti corruption rhetoric. he speaks to people in a way that they understand this is the person who grew up very much sort of from
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your bootstraps type of bringing made himself a businessman and sort of of his, of his own. you know, hard work is how he would tell the story. and he speaks to people in a way that they can understand very is sort of dialectic st. conversation. now that to say that he also has designed, he has leveraged these masterfully by creating these whatsapp campaigns. so it works in a multi level fashion. so he would use these, what's out sort of delegates that would create their own messages advertising their campaign. but these are focused locally of regionally until they attract voters in, in very pretty with very particular claims or promises that may not be the ones the, the candidate has like these these, these interpreters have like all sorts of liberty of proposing whatever they want. so savannah, what i, i want to have a look at petro and his, some the, his campaign videos. and what i'm looking at is a more traditional style of campaigning. he has attempted to be present on 3 other
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occasions. it's row that video. so we can see how he's campaigning, but what i'm looking at when i see that video is his vice president. that is so interesting. let's have a look at that campaign video and talk me through how you see petros campaign. how has it gone? yes, let's, let's stick into combat that your husband campaigning for over 4 years or even longer. he, as a senator has not stopped complaining one even day on his terms as in congress. and that has been very interesting because he has sort of take advantage of one of the most biggest social economic crisis that colombian has gone through in the past couple of years. we went through very severe process backing to not to 1019. and then again, in 2021 after the pandemic actually makes things worse for people. and then he took advantage of that opportunity to actually say ok, i am going to lead these practice. and i'm going to lead this, this civil unrest, and i'm going to be the political face that he's gonna show some guidance on how we
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can make things different. and this is how he has been doing campaign. and what about and what you mentioned about his political formula and this woman is being very interesting. she represents minorities in this country, not only because of her skins, scrawled color, but rather more morally, mostly because she has a and herself lived through a very difficult time. she is a victim of the conflict herself, but so is dr. fidela also experience some very difficult things in his life, so that could competition in the column and politic stage is not that big of a deal if you take into account that in the 1st round, even before the 1st round, most of the candidates actually had experience themselves being victims of the conflict, but a frontier marcus has sort of raised that specific voice women of women race. and then she has became a very important in the political scenario in columbia. and she has been reflecting
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on her ideas on how to make things different for minorities guideline would also i would also add that she is not only, i mean, so not only has she experienced conflict and she comes from of a sort of a, a what we call low socioeconomic background, and these she know she is, she's a black woman, which in columbia is a girl, aids anything else, you know, in a qualities, significantly worse if you're a black woman. and she comes from a, from a region that is significantly affected by violence and poverty, but older she, she's a community leader and organize while she is grassroots, which is significantly different from what blows for and on. this is, she actually has worked with this people. there are videos i, i don't, i don't know if you have them but you know, during the protest in 2020 or 21, she was there like like side by side with the people on the street. and so that makes her a very tractor grass roots, i'm sort of coordinator in figure inside petra's campaign. who and i would just
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wanted to length as with sort of the how you build a campaign for many years that has been campaigning for, for a year. and he has been a candidate for, for i don't know, 16 years i'm but more importantly, in the past year, he has tried to fix the mistakes from the previous campaign. so he has built k a campaign that has operatives and has like these, these politicians that have been all over the, by the logical a spectrum. right. and so, but to certain extent a has, has created sort of kind of these discomfort with beto most mostly more the more sort of radical faction of the left or right fancy market seats, a perfect role there because she kind of sheet she, she assures people that that he's for real to put it that i don't bring in a new voice into our conversation. this is dr. juliet salva. she's on the marie kerry research fellows, university of oxford. and this is what she told us about the v p candidate that we
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just been talking about. let's have a look. let's have a listen. if not the marcus becomes colombia next, vice president on sunday, 2nd round elections. for many colombians. this will be the 1st time that they actually feel represented by someone who understands the real issues that are important to them in the country. for anthea is a woman, she's an afro colombian woman. she comes from a rural area and has a history of social activism and she's experienced economic hardship. so while change isn't going to happen overnight, and real political change will definitely take time. what fancy represents is the opportunity to bring these real important issues lived by every day colombians, 2 of the decision making tables. and hopefully to bring about a real change that will impact people in their daily lives. which ever candidate
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gets the presidency, they both have a v p as a running mate. so who's an afro colombian? so that is important and it's a change in terms of colombian politics as well for, for women. right? and also for africa, ll ambience to be on the fighting slate. now, one of the things that julia said was about every day issues for colombians. let's have a look at those every day issues. elizabeth, what do you think that colombians are going to be voting for own gene? the 19th was critical. this is something that julia also said that i think is key is that with the court column is are looking for right now, or someone who can channel their voice. and that voice, overwhelming me. i can tell you from, you know, walking the street at the front desk last year from going in the countryside and i'm speaking with communities. there is really a voice of desperation. there's a sense that this sort of daily life, traumas that column you are living through are invisible and forgotten among the
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political class. so last year, in the process, for example, i remember i was speaking to a young mother in cali who was in the streets for the 1st time ever attending a protest. and she said to me, my whole life has been living through an experience of economic desperation. conflict, you know, sexual abuse problems in accessing education. i live through all that without realizing that i should speak up. and what i think something critical happened during these protest last year, which is that they broke open the stigma about raising these issues in the political space. so what is this election about these elections about those issues finally rising to the surface and seeing if one candidate or another can convince colombia voters that they'll be able to successfully channel a response. now whether they'll be able to do so in reality, once elected is a whole nother question. but right now we're in a rhetorical game to capture this very deep frustration that runs through the veins of columbia. eli, we asked how sally's men co,
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what are the most important issues that you would be voting on. and this is what she told us. coming from a country with a history of armed conflict and high levels of inequality. i suspect the precedent committed to peace, someone that understands the urgency of working on problems such as poverty. there are more than 21000000 colombians living with unmet basic needs. in education, only 39 percent of students who go to high school, then access higher education, corruption, 20 percent of colombians. consider this to be the main problem to face. political participation for women is also a challenge. only 30 percent of the new congress will be occupied by women. we need more and better representation at all levels and a precedent who understands at least the previous dimension and who has serious proposals to work on them. those are the drivers of my vote. savannah, you seeing the candidates really focusing on inequality? poverty is not part of that mandate. not really. i don't think that has been part of the main debate. actually though they're all,
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there's things that have been sort of portrayed in the, to the attention not only of the day, but also of the media. one is representation, but one like the most important thing that i have been debating and that will sort of took attention completely, is corruption. corruption has been in most of the polls that have been doing the, the pulse. there's in the last couple of years or even more strongly in the last couple of months. they have asked them is why is there more worry about? and the question that raises more attention is corruption. i think people are tired of corruption. people are just sort of saying that they need, we need a change, and this is why we're seeing a 2nd round between these 2 anti establishment candidates. and because road for sort of took away that data rhetoric about how important it is to tackle corruption to fight corruption. and to change that stigma that the country has is that he has been gaining so much attention. i mean, obviously has been a very successful in managing the communication and he's been very strategic on how
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t he has connect to people through social media, especially tick tock. but i think that the big or the, the topic that he has raised the most is corruption. and that has raised some attention does, has connected to people. and that has been one of the most important things to urbana that they have on what it says to them. let me just if, if i might just take a breath for a 2nd. this is what we're rodolfo. hernandez said about corruption, mrsa, at the end of may just so that we can hear it in his own words. and he says, one of his big campaign points is have a little bit of a look ill. bravo, lima, ill dancer, columbia's problem. it's terminal cancer is that politicians are robbing columbia by the ton. they are struggling and it's normal to keep stealing and continue treating us like useful idiots. let us not allow that. in order to thoroughly break with that. on june 19th, we need to have a vote that exceeds 12000000 votes to really have a clear and forceful mandate in while what we're going to add no,
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i was, and it is interesting because he uses very simple words. he uses very simple, straightforward messages to connect with people, but also they are all the 2 main things that da da candidates agree with. one is to restart the relationship with venezuela, both trade and diplomatic relations. and the 2nd one is they both propose to have an eel and peace process right ahead after the jumping to the seat of president. so i think those are the 3 topics that date sort of touch upon constantly and have been touching upon in the, in the political company. all right, said can i can add and yes, go ahead. go ahead. sorry, i just wanted to add, and i think it's useful maybe to see a concrete example of why colombians are so frustrated with corruption in the res. last few years. we've seen several really high profile corruption cases that have been a sort of the most debased ninfa nefarious types of protein. you can imagine, for example, am a school district giving children expired food bread as hard as
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a rock and it sort of inappropriate food. a, you know, for their school lunches that are funded by the government and stealing that money . we thought a minister steel money that was intended to create rule electrification and internet during the pandemic, so that children in the countryside could go to school. these are the types of corruptions scandals that kind of means have present in their mind while they're struggling with their day to day life. they see these politicians, this sort of lead close political class with the same families who have been in the, in the center and put them in politics for years. and this is what corruption means to them. and this is why this message gets home. and one other very short point because i think it's important also for something in that that was said earlier, which is it's important also to note what hasn't been in the debate for this campaign. and the most notable issue that has not been at the center of the debate is the piece agreement. 4 years ago the presidential election was decided based on a very polar as campaign over whether or not the the peace agreement should be even implemented. 4 years ago at 5 years ago, now it and yes,
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i did his agreement with the largest level organization to far that ended half a century conflict with that legislative 4 years ago the debate was, should we implement this? is this the right agreement? and i are, you can, i also knew then why is it not a conversation now? is it because the peace agreement has happened? which means that then take it off the table. it's not the most critical thing to be talking about security that now columbia can go, okay, now we can talk about education and services and inequality. we don't have to talk about our own insecurity. elizabeth, i'm gonna ask you to answer this in a 2nd because our audience want to talk to you as well. go ahead. yes, i got you got me right for 50 years. it was taboo. i got these all right and is no longer there. all right, exactly. let's go to youtube, but just i want to make space for our audience who are talking to talk to you as well. all right, so carlos says, gustavo petro, my question for the panel is,
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what do you think about petros peace program? the columbia affected by violence through decade. so varner, very briefly then laura and then elizabeth savannah. go ahead. yes, she's been saying that she wants to implement the piece process. and i think that the difference between now and 4 years ago is that, that the implementation is still the question, but that there is no longer need like to sign up his agreement. however, the eel is still some very important than the actors of needs to sign or is start up. this process was taught, but there has not been very of sort of broad on saying he's ideas on how exactly he will manage to do on you in a bronze with the elliana. let shadow response will allow a thank use of on allow a go ahead. so i think the biggest, the biggest thing about this hope at that is that he, he, he understands the arm conflict and he has been supportive of the, of the piece process throughout one of the most damage is damaging, think of things of the last 4 years has been the government's lack of an impulse
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in pushing forward the peace agreement. they didn't destroy it. they didn't, you know, send the far back to live jungle but to some extent they just, they haven't pushed it forward and by not pushing forward then what we have had is the emergence of, of, and fragmentation of violence and lack of dealing with regional and local violence around least economies and sort of groups that are reforming because the government never of fulfilled a promises because the government has not reached these places in columbia without, with like, institutions like justice or, or okay, or, you know, at schools. all right, okay, so to pushing, got so many things to talk about in the units are really keen to talk to you as well. let me show you this. this is from gladys. got, he shows us walked the up ballot, will look like on gene the 19th. so you've got the 2 presidential candidates and then nasa a blank vote. this blank vote comes up in
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a conversation that we had with john freddie a little bit earlier on the options. ah, candidate, a candidate b o. blank vote. his don't funny. these set of misinformation on colombian election can resume in just one word. for here, the mass of fake to it, but also all you, i'm the deal to promote conspiracy theories as well as gender and racial attack has achieved to create fear of both candidate based on val, huge was abode expressed to have feared to lose their countries in the hands of the or their motors in their very polarized sufficient. on the other hand, for all the blog coming from old apart, it has increased. di already existed, and truss on election institution provoke, intended, blank bode has been called a real concern in
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a very tight competition. and just looking at how we frame today's conversation, columbia well elections further defied the country club here goes to the post to vote for the next person on june. the 19th, we will be following that election very carefully on out his era all the way through the weekend. elizabeth, if you had to call the election, would you or would you just wait? one of the remarkable things about this, but from the very beginning is that it's the 1st time in many years that most clemens can remember going to the polls and not having a clear idea of who will come out on top. and that's quite important because it's, it's the context of everything that we see up in front of us. and, you know, i think the 1st round of the election was really about one thing that i give us a board. i'm gonna let you finish a sentence and then i'm gonna finish the show. go ahead. i'm sorry. elizabeth laura savannah. thank you so much for being part of the program. thanks
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