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the peace and security, but fears that it has cost him his job as more people are able to travel in their own cars. so give me like comerica the in the past we used to take around 1500 to 2000 gallons a day for about $17.00. fine, now we barely make 6. so many people are hoping in a tall bon will capitalize on the new found interest and balmy on and turn it into a tours destination. now that the group that made it nearly impossible to travel to places like this for 20 years is finally in power. this is what some of the peace and security looks like and honest on thousands of families coming from all over the country to enjoy the wonders of band. i mean national park. but the big question now is, how will all of this impact the economy of balmy on a province that was ignored for more than 20 years by the former government? i, let's see, al jazeera, balmy on, ah,
this is out there, a look at the headlines now. 14000 people have been evacuated in southern france as wild pause fuel by record breaking temperatures, enjoy conditions or scorching europe. my thoughts regarding the loan, the rest fire, we are dealing with a concerning situation, a critical situation. and now tim knology, the fire is not moving freely because that would mean it is moving as a once. but we are currently able to respond to it, attempting to redirect it and to try to limit its progression and in spain of firefighters are trying to put out dozens of blazes. rugged terrain is hampering operations. at least 360 feet related deaths had been recorded in the past week. in the u. k. health authorities are urging people to take precautions as full cost as predict reco temperatures. i think barbara has more from london. we've heard from some senior voices within the national health service that they're worried that simply things like air conditioning and fans and not sufficient in hospitals and in
doctors. practices said it, i've always and people firstly to check them in neighbors, particularly if they're elderly or vulnerable, but warning people that those temperatures around 40 celsius, not what we used to then not what people are enjoying here in this park. behind me, there's something to really take seriously and that they can have a serious health impact and even be deadly. if you consider yourself healthy, don't be complacent. a cargo plane that carrying weapons has crashed in northern greece, killing all 8 crew members. aircraft was traveling from serbia to bangladesh and should anchor for politicians have been named as contenders to become the new president or the economic crisis behind. the political instability continues with millions of people struggling to buy fuel or food. fashion missile strikes of hit a number of towns in ukraine. russian troops also building up defense positions
there on it follows a declaration for moscow that it was ramping up attacks in all operational areas. security forces in sudan have use tear gas to disperse demonstrators in the capital cartoon when demanding a return to civilian room to dance, military seized power for my transitional support in the government. last october. there's all the headlines and these continues here after inside story, stay with ah travel chaos across europe, thousands of flights, canceled mountains of lost luggage and soaring prices. but what is causing all that?
can it be solved? am what does it mean for the travel industry? this is inside store. ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm burnett's overcrowded airports council flights expensive tickets. welcome to the summer holiday season. in the northern hemisphere, airlines have been forced to cancel thousands of flights due to strike action, staff shortages and weather cues of passengers snaking through some european airports are a familiar sight. some airlines are advising people to turn up the check in 4 to 5 hours. early passenger volumes are almost pre pandemic levels. but staffing isn't airlines. an airport, a struggling to re hire people. they laid off during the height of the pandemic,
leaving workers in a strong position to bargain for better pay and working conditions. so some airports of told airlines to cut the number of seats they're selling. they have been delays from the americas to australia, but it's passengers traveling to and from major european airport, who are enduring the worst of the calles ship. all airport in amsterdam is one of the airport, hardest it, more than half its flights have been delayed and hundreds canceled in july so far. london heathrow airport has decided to cap the number of departing passengers to 100000 a day to try to minimize delays. apple workers are also striking in the german cities of hamburg and frankfort. the german government is fast striking visas. the workers from turkey to bridge the gap travel delays caused by strikes are also hitting spain, france, belgium, denmark, norway, and sweden. we spoke with willie walsh, the director general of international transport association. he says it's the
managers of the airport, not the airlines who are to blame. it's a huge disappointment to the industry that airports are restricting the amount of flights that can be operations are the number of passengers that can travel through the airport. you know, it's really disappointing because airlines want to maximize the benefit of this recovery, given the financial damage that has been done during the last 2 years. but i think from a consumer point of view, it's very important that we can give certainty to customers that their flights will be operation. and i think these measures while deeply regretable will be able to provide that certainty the. let's begin. august in london is david les amounts, he's an asian analyst and consulting editor like global and portland in the united states. the susan saw that she's a national geographic travel photographer to travel extensively for the national
geographic expedition program. and joining us from the farmer show in the u. k. is alex ma, cherice, an aviation consultant and author of ation briefing, welcome. so you all, david will start with your easy question. whose fault is all, is why we queuing forever and missing? i'm having our flights council that the last minute i think you could say the thought is with coded firmly itself. and what cobra did to the industry the, the industry last billions of dollars over that period. it was a long period. never has there been such an extended shut down of this industry? in fact, i'm not sure about any other industry. now during that time, a whole lot of changes happens. they have joy, the low or even lay off lots of employees. and the big problem is that when they tried to take them back on again, when demand wrapped up in the airline started try to supply it. a lot of people
decided they didn't want to come back. alex airlines blame airports. are ports of blaming the airlines are putting on too many seats. who's to blame? it's definitely a blame game. that's the consensus. and of course, you know, everything does lead back to kind of, if you follow the trial. but who says the decisions that were made in the times that really are key in knowing how different aviation markets ultimately ended up 2 and a half years. and it was adeline's in 2 and a half years later. and i say that because, well, the same storm has ultimately taken hold of the entire edition, not every ad pool airline and 3rd party company. we're in that many have been able to kind of this done with, with better financing, with, with fewer redundancy,
leaving them in a better face day. now the actual recovery is well underway. others not so lucky, such as the u. k. who's aviation market suffered the worst of all of europe? and of course, that had an impact on the redundancy that them fall. it. susan, you've probably spent most of your life in q a port hours post pandemic travel planned out for you. a frequent traveler. and i've really been trying to play a little bit like a, a poker game really because there's so much uncertainty. there's a lot of conflicting news reports. so i was always looking my flight well in advance. i always made sure to have plenty of time in between my connecting flight . i tried to make my flight as long haul as possible because here of us, the pattern that seemed to emerge as the airlines started to function once more
were that the shorter hall flights were the ones that were being most frequently cancelled. so it was sort of a strategic move to try to you know, be able to get to some place on time, which is a job requirement of mine. i did have my luggage last for the 1st time ever. and that was unfortunate. but, you know, given all things considered, i feel very fortunate to, to have been able to use my experience in order to get from point a to point b without very much hassle. did you get your box back in, in i actually did. yes. finally they, they, they just gave them to 8 days and charles de gaulle airport speak fluent french than david. he throws decision to count passengers at 10000 a day, very controversial and has been pushed back emberts. although ambrose is now agree to deal with he throw other airlines as other apples have tried, similar is not
a pot and you're going to see other other other airlines also trying to adopt i think this is a very interesting little control confrontation. heathrow made its announcement and said, look, this is what with, with the resources we have the people we have, this is what we can actually supply. so please don't ask for more than that and plan your flights and your, your passenger loads according to. busy what we can actually deliver, you emerick is the 1st to shout. you know, the, this was far too painful. they really didn't want to do it. and then as you had wasn't very far behind but, but shortly they obviously sat down into, around the desk. i didn't see this happening, but because about about 24 hours later, a truce was observed and the airlines had come to the conclusion. there was no no point in demanding more than heathrow was honestly able to supply. and alex, frankfurt also wants to reduce the flight coming in and now unlocked hands is
agreed upon. the shipple has a similar limit on passenger numbers. will you see other line where we see other airports doing the same of the busy apple? we will because we haven't yet have that, that real peak of that. and that is when really the students and the beautiful 100 breakup that extend it. i'm a break, and that's going to have the in demand meet. what is that? so that is incredibly show up and that's when that fraction and that's when the cues that's when we all teach from around the world. but most in europe with, with many passengers facing the destruction as travel rebound. and i think that's what we have to keep in mind. i think we're moving out from missed that 10 but, but it really is just the age of the child, extra right now. and all roads lead to stopping levels. i like so does that mean the end of this summer ritual for some of looking for those last minute flight bargains is bargains?
is that something you're not going to be able to do this year? well there is, there are, there are still deal to be found, of course, especially with the car isn't sure. but if we're looking at a more kind of long missionary way, we know that the cost of travel is going to increase, not least because of the, of the all price the impacts of the war and ukraine. and so there are other factors that ideation is inherently exposed to because if you think before the pandemic we, we had periods of actual disruption and not it was panic related. and not very much of it was that was stopping that was related. so, you know, and travel site is daily challenge from several different external factors. but as i say, the expectation is that things will smooth out over the northern hemisphere. time and winter. but of course, there are other fees just looming recession, and the answer is, as i said, the only time will tell david,
how much are all price is particularly affecting the price of our tickets. i know some airlines of, of hedge don't know prices, but what effect is that having well, oil prices are having a big effect they always do on airline says. but the other thing which is, which is definitely going to have an effect, is when the airlines and the efforts are hiring or re hiring stuff that they laid off before or trying to tempt new ones. an awful lot of the jobs will have to be better paid than they were before. i mean, it's very easy to rice, off baggage handlers, as, as being sort of humble creatures at the bottom end of the food chain. but they are incredibly important. and if, say, reckons having time to think about it over the, the pan demik that they really didn't have a job that was worth going into a lot of them decided did they do something else, which was better paid? so it's not just fuel prices, the airlines are going to have to pay more for people,
especially those in humble jobs, which nowadays the price is being what they are, includes cabin crew will come back to the staffing issue in a 2nd position. i wanted to ask you into, in terms of the cost of flying, which must factor into your budget for your trips. how. what sort of impact of having when you haven't really noticed a change in the cost of travel? i have, i have noticed change. however, it, it hasn't been as substantial as i was sort of reckoning that it would be i've always had to, i mean it's just a company policy that we fly economy. and so part of the game that i play with the airlines is trying to figure out ways you to maybe spend just a couple of extra $100.00. and again, because i, i can sort of, i can have that discretionary decision. i might get a one sort of tiny bump up in class and therefore be able to carry on an extra bag
or be able to choose my seat and. and that again, will make me able to get on that flight if it happens to be over booked because i haven't bought the very bargain. fair it. but yes, you, there has definitely been a price increase and it was very pronounced on my last flight. back from, from france to portland, i bought, i had to go to france twice during the month of june. the 1st ticket was about a $1000.00 less expensive than the 2nd ticket, even though they were identical roots. so alex is for travelers like susan for all travelers. are they? are the airlines now the ones that hold holding the power of the consumers are the ones that are having to pay more for that tickets. whereas once upon a time, there is a lot more competition with pre pandemic. well there is, there is still competition out there. one of the most remarkable things of the,
of the parent and it cannot be immediate optimal. is it actually we didn't really lose many airlines, not, not nearly as many as that were initially predicted when it was 1st about and that is because of the government really package is not. and i went into the hosting these carriers. so competition is to definitely that that price increase is probably more likely to, with the gradual moving into the summer peak. and that's where we see those kind of key differences. and of course, as i said, kind of longer time, we know that the cost of that travel with increase that's happening in parallel to a cost of living car it to a fluctuating but most the high oil price and so on. and alex david touch before on the, on the issues of stuffing it air or ship. whole one of the wills busy is 58000 stuff at the moment. 10000 less than before the pandemic where if they were of the gone, how long does it take to recruit them back in particular security stuff? how long do they take to get trained and through the system for people understand
the process? well, i wrote a column about this in late january kind of stuff to speaking to several airlines and apples. it became very are so many street that the stopping levels were not anywhere near adequate to deliver. what was the summer 2020 to schedule the most airlines were selling. now what we've seen is we've seen all this disruption as airlines attempting to deliver a schedule. that was awesome. that was mostly in line with 2019 with without anything even kind of adequate in terms of stopping level. and the industry has to re face this now i don't, which it is now, but it can be too late. you know, raise is, we're in the summer season now and, and all that. and that's causing a problem. the stuff in levels need, we need to have people either returns, ideation many have left. but who said we need to go to many, many of these jobs. that's a paid because there are so many people that you speak to realize after being made redundant, that actually they can and more
a supermarket. but the difference is they don't start at 2 30 in the morning. they don't have this going to get to deal with when the airline technical. and so i'm so you know, this is a conversation a hard on the station that the industry has to have with itself in order to make it more attractive to bring those was back into the sector. this of course has been complicated by factors such as that, of course, because we've lost so many you nationals here in the u. k. who deposit in the timing? many of them, a significant majority working in the yes, david, you touched on almost before our airlines waking up to the spot that, that stuff. but they need to pay the stuff more of the brakes. it effectively u. k, which is compound of issue of course the but the cross europe, the stuff in crisis. indeed there is a stuff in crisis and in the, and not a low skilled or, or semi skilled. which is, you know, a lot of a lot of what airlines need, you know, security,
or at least the ordinary security workers. cabin true. it's a 70, it's a skilled job actually. but if you know the race that semi skilled but these people are desperately needed, you cannot get them over night and getting getting baggage handlers. they may not need huge skills, but they do need security clearance because they work s side. and so if you want to get somebody back who hasn't been security clear, it can take months to, to actually get the clearance through. because so many people are applying that the, the agencies, the government agencies that, that check, security clearances simply can't cope with the demand. and susan covered 19 hasn't gone away. we all wish it hard, but it's still looking now what, when you're traveling internationally, what do you still finding? you have to do to make sure you've got everything you need before you can. you're allowed on the plane because many countries still have restrictions. i always try
to stay as safe as possible. my goal is to not get sick. and right now i know more people who have gone ill with coven, then at any other point during this entire pandemic. i think that the result of a combination of the relaxed masking rules the, the route i was entranced, the day that the united states dropped the requirement for a 24 hour negative test. prior to flying back to the states from, you know, international locations and, and so there's a direct correlation between dropping the masked mandates and the testing requirements. and the, jumped up in the number of covered cases, but also the fact that it is mutating so quickly. i mean it's, it's, it's being allowed to, to kind of go unchecked and we can't keep up with the vaccinations because of the mutations. so it's a, it's a very complicated situation and i just wear
a hospital grade and 95 mask at all times. and that's what you know and try to stay as far away. every single flight i have been on the last 2 months has been absolutely packed for obvious reasons. but i knock on wood have not contract it. i test regularly doesn't sound managed to avoid it. sometimes most clamor left and travel at the moment. my alex, a lot of those people leaving you are heading to further afield. heading to the developing world, often north africa, the subconscious of africa asia, those places dependent on tourism. how are they being affected by these delays in your visit, putting people off going? no, really no, we are seeing now. thankfully the reopening of those really restricted markets as markets that were close. most of the pandemic in south asia, asia cross continent and so on. and of course, for those countries that are rely on tourism,
that's good news for them. there's been met and hence demand one in 3, u. k. households for example, would ordinarily travel as a valid for the some of that you can be sure they are definitely using, but i, i just want to go back to that previous on you were making this season, which is that actually we do have to keep having this conversation about it because it's still causing havoc, no, just with the public, but with dolphin levels that are, you know, the stuff that i want to show up in the 1st place. we have so many airlines declaring an unusually high rate is all citing code. that actually is another compensation that the issue is not having with the government or across the world, but probably would be more sensible to which is that is in everyone's interest. a transmission of is being low because we see them and there is a new sub there and so on. that immediately translates into stops. and which in
time is chaos for the stuff that we're able to turn up in the 1st place. and david, sticking with fame after the summer rush is over, do you think demand for flights will hold up? i mean, we've got, we just talked about corona virus about warn you. cry and high energy prices are aligns hope. hopefully they'll keep up demand after the holiday september. but all the, all the signs are that demand is keeping up, which is, which is the problem the, the airlines can't supply. what sir, quad euro, which has had a particular problem, is still that the airlines are only able to supply will be the combination of the airlines and the airports. only able to supply at the moment 85 percent of pre pandemic demand. and yet, the sign czar, the, the demand is going to be more than 3 times i make. and i really don't see
a reduction coming below the reductions, the seasonal reductions that you normally get. i don't see a particular problem with, let's say northern hemisphere, winter. i think that the demand will hold up on the airlines will still, i think um, till maybe some next year they'll still have varying degrees of problem with meeting the demand. so the airlines do have the width hand and i don't think that the, the cheap bargains are going to be around very much for you. alex, could it get worse before it gets better? my thinking it's initial, the media here. now we can kind of late july the messages to expect even more disruption have bad trouble dodge, with such as demand. really nothing creates a line with kind of the time bring everything scheduled out from him. but with this is reflecting, he throws statement, for example, they've got back have 100000 a day, but that's only valid and to around september 12 i think
a shows that most of the factors on the thing. okay, well we're slow. we're running out of time, but before we go, i'd like you're all frequent travelers. so for people heading to the airport, the summer susan, i'll start with you if i can just sit on how to manage, manage airports about manage your travel. but what do you do? i would, i would simply try to find tickets that have maybe a little bit more perks to them. then rather than risking saving a couple of $100.00, because if you get delayed by any length of time, it could have an incredible domino effect on your entire trip. and also just to keep insurance in mind. if it say, it really came to my rescue a couple of times to buy a policy and they really aren't that expensive, particularly if you get trip interruption insurance. i'm david. what about would be
my, my chip a go with susan about about don't go for the cheapest. you can go for the cheapest. that gives you the right to cancel your ticket so that they do at, you know, sort of 20 to 30 percent on. but that it may well be worth it, and it's very much easier to negotiate with the airline afterwards. if you're, you are on one of the flights that gets canceled on alex. last bit of advice from you is a frequent traveler. sure. if you're checking in luggage, pop an actual anti go or another, another brand similar in order to be able to see your luggage in real time that you can track it. that house because bags are being lost all over the place. harry can luggage, if you can, without checking in and done right to the apple too early, this message being pushed about arrived there would really often that doesn't achieve much to 3 hours is usually enough because that is just are often not even a brilliant thanks to all august for the excellent advice,
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