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miss artisan shop and people aren't only traveling domestically. the end of mandatory quarantine for incoming passengers has led to an increase in ticket sales for international flights. many off line to southeast asia, avoiding countries by restrictions on travelers from china, such as japan and the united states. tungsten wall has never left the country, but her journey is longer than not just after 28 hours on a train. they arrive in louis such one province, meeting her elderly parents who have recently recovered from the current virus for their health and the presence of 4 generations under one roof. she says this much to celebrate between anticipating ah, this is al jazeera and these are the top stories. asylum seekers trying to reach europe have described being kept an unofficial prisons when they are forcibly
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returned from italy. the testimony is a part of an al jazeera investigation and partnership with lighthouse reports and other media. but events, ministers from 50 countries are meeting and germany to discuss the next steps and military support for ukraine. battle tanks and heavy weapons have been at the top of the agenda. step wanston has more from that ramstein ear basin germany. slodum is lansky, ukraine's president has really also to day here on screen here. and rom stay made a plea to hurry up. basically. you said there's no time to lose time is a weapon that russia is using against us. but still there was, of course, this hope that there might be a decision today, but no decision has been made. and also there was also a request from other european nations who are using the slap or 2 tanks that they could at least send them to ukraine as soon as possible. but that needs 3. that requires a license,
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it needs approval from the german government and even that was not disgust to day pro ukraine activists from serbia have filed criminal complaints against russia's wagner mercenary group, accusing it of recruiting serbs to fight and ukraine. sybian law prohibits citizens from participating. and conflicts abroad with the un says 7 people have been killed in an attack on a camp for displaced people in democratic republic of congo. it happened in a tory province where peacekeepers discovered mass graves earlier this week. public and private companies in sierra leone now have to reserve 30 percent of their jobs for women in a bit to tackle gender and balances. the law also guarantees women maternity leave equal pay and training opportunities. google is cutting 12000 jobs world wide. it's the latest large teak company to lay off workers after rapid expansion. during the cove at 19 pent them pandemic wears off, and more than
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a 1000000 people joined a nationwide strike and france demanding the government's drop planned pension reforms. the changes include a proposal to raise the retirement age by 2 years to $64.00. well, those are the headlines. the news continues here on al jazeera, after the stream. untold, still with we speak, when others done, ah, we cover all sides. no matter where it takes us, a fan of my eye and power and pasha, we tell your story. we are your voice, your news, your net out here with
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welcome to the stream, i'm much aberdeen since taking control of afghanistan in 2021. the taliban government is rolling back. the rights of women and girls. the country is also suffering from an economic collapse and is in the throes of a deepening humanitarian crisis as winter conditions. worse than on today's show, we ask simply, how are afghans coping? ah, joining us to discuss the latest from afghanistan from kabul. ali latifah, freelance journalist, covering afghanistan for al jazeera and london, women's rights activists for korea, barracks i. and also with us from cobble samira side rockman advocacy and communications coordinator for the international rescue committee. and of course, for those of you at home, we want you to join the conversation. so be sure to share your thoughts and questions with us on youtube. thank you for joining us. this is obviously an important conversation so many angles to discuss samira. i want to start with you
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with a basic tweet. just from moments ago, amnesty international, highlighting all the ways the taliban has banned women and girls in afghanistan including playing sports, appearing on tv, attending university, going to the gym, working for and and geo. attending secondary school, as well as traveling over 72 kilometers and accessing health care without a male. now that list aside, i mean all these restrictions coming lately. what is most troubling to samira? what's the latest? you know, the, the economic situation has really driven the humanitarian crisis that we're facing right now. currently we have over 28000000 people in requiring humanitarian and protection assistance. as of december 24th, at the end of last year, female aid workers are not able to work in national and international and cios.
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there are, there have been exceptions made for the health sector. however, you know, women, female aid workers are essential for a delivery. i'm, i was in practica earlier in the summer. i'm during the earthquake. i arrived on the 2nd day there. and it's really an example of how essential it is to have female aid workers. this is a conservative country where it was the 2nd day of the earthquake. most of the women were still in their tents, had not gone out to access health care services that were able to be that were the reach that area. it wasn't until i was able to go and speak with the community elders and assured them that we had female mobile health teams present there that they were able to access these services. for us, at the international rescue committee, we have over $3000.00 female staff in our organization. these are not just frontline staff including doctors and nurses, but also staff in port roles in admin, in finance,
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in operations and management. and we feel that it is impossible for us to deliver safe and effective aid to the most vulnerable communities if we don't have women working at all levels of our organization. and that's certainly a fact that's easy to understand, sir, korea, when we look beyond sort of some of those latest restrictions, specifically the one we were talking about there. let's look at some of the headlines actually that we put together the kind of highlights some of these restrictions. i want to ask you, what is the real impact? what worries you most in terms of how this is impacting women there right now daily i'm not talking about the humanitarian crisis. when you see i've got some eason about crisis and that's the impact of taliban policies. and they tell me time or day of brutality in the sun, if you see the absence of justice, the deform of the government. so i don't know how
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a military group can then can government back to this is how the situation has mental health condition. if you see the political issue at the backlash, i've got his time, 2 years before was a different, i've got his son. but if you see today's a big prison for their own citizens, that that's, that's maybe by a very simple sentence. i could just imagine you and beer for a 2nd. you can eliminate and grace hope of population from every single aspect of life. if that plays it or not, and this is like a half of body will become a disable. what you will do with the other, the half one, if you wouldn't be able to eat, to cook, to walk, to watch even to talk. so this is, this society is like a body to help us body. this personally i think to be
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out and to be erase and to be disabled. and that is very sad because we pay a lot of time energy and my human resources and the last 20 years to build of damage done to to put i've got this done, basha, korea in the right track. and of course, and you know, i want to also include in this conversation to women on the ground there enough ghana stand to university students, a journalism student and medicine student. listen to what they have to say. my last thought i found out on more than i remember my university entrance exam period, how hard i tried until i entered the department i was interested in. then when i went to university, everything flash in front of my eyes like a documentary, all the pain and my hardware flashed in front of my eye with just a piece of paper with a writing and
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a signature saying that girls don't have this right. it ended everything. it is a very bad feeling. i was really kind of welcome to go home and use a bed room. i closed everything for us park boughs and everything. and now the only hope we had was going to university to complete our studies there to become a good doctor and serve our society. but they took that from us as well as yeah, doc, data, ali, and i'm sure you've spoken to many women who are echoing some of what we just heard there from those to what can you share with us about what you're seeing on the ground and whether there's a chance these restrictions, the latest ones might be walked back to be quite honest, the chance of the restriction being walk back seemed kind of a pipe dream because at this point, it's all up to the leader of the taller bon, the so called a meet and he seems to be the most adamant to take back these rights to try and, you know, keep girls and women from many aspects of society. but the one thing that we have
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to remember is that the avalon, a son of 20222023. and i know it's hard for people who are not here to under. this is not that on a thought of 19971998. you know we saw these young girls even with all the restrictions they still tried to go to university, they still took to the university entrance exam. they still dressed. you know, fairly normally considering all of the restrictions that the taliban have put them under. and the truth is we can say the country is disabled because there are still women and young people and men going out and trying to live their lives as much as normal. and trying to, you know, be a part of society as much as, as possible before the taliban. you know, they all say we're gonna try and keep pushing this as much as we can before the taliban take everything away from us. and i think the more we say that, you know, absolutely everything is stock and absolutely everything is disabled and locked
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away. the more we're taking agency away from the avalon people and giving it to the taliban. and yet what we're seeing is that the avalon people have not given up, you know, after the university ban for women, we saw male educators, we saw male students walking out protesting and ning, or har panel in kabul, manion, and by the shown in all of these places we also saw female students walking out, you know and packed y'all when they re closed that secondary schools for girls you know, which were open for about a week, making it the 3rd province were secondary schools are still open for girls. we saw girls as young as 12 walking out on the street and protesting and going out and demanding their right to an education. so we have to remember that as much as the taliban is trying to restrict people and is putting all of this weight on people we are in. yeah. are the best word to use me. i'll be the right word is a fortunate situation where people are still try. i mean, you know, i appreciate all that context that you provided. it's really critical to sort of
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understand not just what's happened, but where we might be heavy, you know, and i want to ask you with that in mind, i'm gonna come straight back to just quickly aaliyah. you know, this tweet that i saw a few days ago, a couple university professor ripping up his diplomas on live tv in afghanistan. it's been making the rounds. and just what you said there made me think of it. you know, this idea of solidarity from men. ah, is it enough? is it, is it critical in your mind? are we seeing men perhaps be as worried as women? i you know, what is your read on the ground and what do you make of these sort of moves? so when the university band came out, i was with my family. so i was with a group of men and women, doctors, government workers, educators, young girls as young as 9 and 14 and 22. and the men were just as upset as the
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women, you know, and as the girls and we saw immediately and the aftermath that men took to the streets as well. you know, in english or we saw medical faculty, students refusing to continue their studies until young girls could also continue. and i really think that that was the thing that changed everything in this country . you know, everyone now says that that was that the death? no. and the taller bond coffin, the countdown is on now. you know, they've gone too far. they're burying themselves and their government alive at the moment. so i really think it has, you know, slowly walking people up, we have to remember that in this country, you know, this idea of walking out on the street and protesting, you know, since the seventy's hasn't necessarily had a good reaction. but something like, you know, what these faculty are doing, what the students are doing, these are very important, impactful stances. you know, they show a solidarity. they show that the people are not willing to accept happening in the 1990 for the 5 year that the total bon rule that why and you know, when we,
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we hear the sure korea. i want to ask you, there been report that, you know, even i think it's mannequins now and shop shop. nominate see me on twitter here saying even female manic and faces must be covered. that the taliban ordered all shop. stop early on and say it again. ali, it's also mailman and get also mail man and can so yeah, when we see these sort of repressive or extreme for lack of a better word, moves doesn't where it is hope come that the situation can be remedied, that women can be treated better, but that also, you know, you can obviously, and the humanitarian situation at large will be addressed and allow me to say why to day i've got his son is different than before. when in the $996.95, talking about to cova gone is found dallas. i've got his thoughts off the civil war where the same shock as today university girl described your situation. i have the
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same feeling at the time because i pass that and i understand what, what does it mean to be hopeless and, and to be just because of the gender because of your, your girl, your women, you cannot do nothing. and so it's a very separate thing, but that time it was not as a normal life in 2021, the people of guy and the new generation where they don't know what's happened. what was civil war, what was the telephone before or 1st dollar bar. and even during the 1st taliban, where despite of, i was incomplete, my, let's say cation. i lost my kids during the civil war. but i run underground school against the taliban policy. i'd say to k, to 2 women and my society. would you?
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and that time, i never thought that i've got to stop will be connected back to the word and i've got to spend will be a part of that work. and lastly, today the communication, the connection to technology, the social media, local in international media, the awareness among the people of got his final, which is still not going to from the part of the grade. still in the center. right? i mean, i me and give me hope, right. i don't believe taliban will change their mind and mentality unless as the alternative which is the people of i've got a son, should race and i fight voices from the outside. so speaking to him about raising her voice became about raising your voice as well as technology. we do have a video that was sent to us rather an audio recording a message from someone who's anonymous. woman who is sending it to us from july about city, talking about how the fear factor really can, can take hold, take
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a listen. it is where it is katie, to talk about women in afghanistan as we are completely destroyed by the de facto government, woman and girls in particular, affected by multiple forms of discrimination. and while in the same situation, is it myself and the responsible person of my home? my family. but now due to the banning of woman will, i'm also not allowed to work. i got stuck at home. just let me know how to provide the basic food items to my family. so when you listen to that, you're here sort of her outline her personal situation, knowing how about factors into the scale of the humanitarian situation that's unfolding that you shared with us, that deepening what, what is something to pinpoint in terms of trying to address immediately what's the biggest danger to you? well, you know,
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just as i voice message was saying many of the women that work for our organization and for angie house other marine shows across the country, are the sold breadwinners for their families. this is a country that has gone through 40 years of conflict. we have many widows. we have many female headed households. and most of these women are fearful of what's to come on. and on the other side, it's the beneficiary side as well. you know? because we have so many female had in households, it is essential to having women that we have women as a part of humanitarian response. as i mentioned 28000000 people in this country are in need of emergency urgent humanitarian support. um, compared to pre august 2021. we have an additional $6000000.00 people. um that are are, are facing hunger. we have over 900000 people that have lost their jobs over the course of that time period. the, you know, the, the worsening economy. you know,
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the economy collapse, it wiped out decades of what had been accumulated during that time. and at the end of the day, it is ordinary afghans that are paying the price. we, we see the economic impacts even down to, you know, the currency i, you know, i have just a sudden, this is, this is the notes that you can get on the streets in the shops. yeah. if someone does have access to cash, these are the notes that they're getting, and often it's women that are getting the worst know, ah, what that means is that the humanitarian situation disproportionately affects women and girls. like so many of the are pressing situations there. i think the same could be said ali, you were nodding as we were listening to send me your outline, the humanitarian situation, and i think it's worth sharing with our audience. perhaps you don't know to day reports that 70 people were killed just by the way. you know, the, the sort of wave of freezing temperatures that have been sweeping across the
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country in the last week that includes tens of thousands of cattle. i mean, you know, in the grand scheme of all the different things we're speaking about that may not seem like such an important issue, but it, it is ali, what can you share with us about the humanitarian situation and, and also specifically, if there is any hope in the horizon what, what in your mind would be a way out of this saw crisis all the way out of the humanitarian crisis for the international community to understand that their sanctions, their aid restrictions, their banking restrictions, their cut backs all of that, even their suspension aid and assistance work a is not affecting the taliban in any way. you know it's not affecting the taliban leadership. it's affecting the avalon people. the reason why people have old bank notes, the reason it's so difficult for them to take out money. the reason it's so difficult for them to transfer money, the reason they're such a capital flight and businesses are afraid to invest and enclosed their offices.
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and you know, media outlet shut down. all of this is because of the lack of investment in afghanistan. you know, it during the, a western back to slumming, republic, 75 percent of the government expenditures came from foreign aid from different types of foreign aid. and so when you take all of that away, what you're doing is you're not starving. the foreign minister, the tall bon, you're not starving. i, you know, that, that minister of interior, any of these people who may be on blacklist and sanctions, and so on. you are starving. the kinds of people that i mean i need to reach out to, well, well, with that kinds of people that i run into on the street with, with that really clear and level headed critique. i mean, that makes a lot of sense, but i'm wondering, you know, the un security council has made all these calls, right. they call the taliban to reverse a policies that are targeting women and girls in afghanistan on tuesday. i believe the security council also called for, you know, full equal and meaningful participation of women and girls in afghanistan. it
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sounds, i mean, you know, you're kind of laughing and i don't, i'm not trying to say you're laughing at what's being said, but you know what's gonna come next in terms of the next question out of my mouth. i mean, these things sound lofty and we, we shouldn't dismiss them, but in the absence of opportunities for the ngos that are working on the ground or what is what is in your mind. really going to change in the short term, the trajectory of the country and in terms of its humanitarian crisis. like i say though, the only thing to really change the humanitarian crisis is for the world to accept that the more you cut off the country of, of honest on as i said, you're not cutting off the foreign minister. you're not cutting off the interior minister. you're not even cutting off how about the law the so called so he said coming mondays, are the key paid coming the the money coming keep not just a and i think i the other level for 20. i only we, we, when we were made into this ridiculous aid based economy,
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no one actually worked on development and creating long term, long term sustainable foundational economy that can, that can sustain itself. you know, we can't just keep relying on aid. there has to be some work towards a real sense of a sustainable economy where, where people can work for themselves and provide for themselves. you know, we can't just keep focusing on handle what's been happening over wants. okay. go ahead. jump in, jumpin. yeah. yeah. and 1st of all, is there any accountability during the last air when years 7 months and tyler missouri came all in is the one year one and $2000000000.00 number $12000000000.00 . just foreign aid that went to the pocket of taliban. i only mention it or to day one here for so so way i just wanted those foreign and i just wanted to go to you and i'm getting rid of the taliban. so clear un it went on, you went on it out. it's a modern saying,
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it goes to them through private banks. it does not go to the taliban. ok, continue in themselves, but all banks, let me let, let, let's not, it's not are you. i just wanted to challenge you on that. let's not, are you the, i'm not arguing that what's your point. you want to give my point is the central bank of afghanistan on receiving that 8 or anything money and that many supposed to go to those people where samira is working. we all know the united nation with it, they don't have any kind of relationship. the central bank is not the independent body. it's a body which is running by taliban. and that's why their order is going to own either. so i've been social korea, i appreciate the point. i want to give samira lately. yeah. he goes to the pocket of tom, but we are not saying to stop form a hot. we are ok. ok. okay so, so i appreciate your point. i'm just because i'm, i'm in and out as a mirror on i want to ask you summer,
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what do you make of that allegation coming from sir korea and where do you see the primary focus meeting to be well, the $2000000000.00 an aide that has come to this country over the course of the last year has been implemented through the united nations as well as international and national organizations on the ground. this $2000000000.00 is what prevented of hamlin famine in the country last winter. while we are feared this winter, as mentioned by a li, it's minus 20 degrees here in cobble, let alone the rest of the country which gets far colder. people are having to decide between food and heating and that decision becomes even more difficult with the worsening economy. and as humanitarian aid organizations are, who have suspended their operations, due to the fact that women are not able to work in a, in our, in our organizations, in across many sectors. but what this will mean is that if we're not able to
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deliver 8 at the same level, if not more than what we did last year and use that money that we received over the course of the last year, this is going to be a horrific winter for the afghan people, all right, i appreciate you making that point. i want to play for you just one other. i saw this is a video listening to mothers explaining the situation. take a listen. i'm so the beginning of winter, our situation has been very bad. we spent 2 months with support of some of our friends by during the last 4 days. our financial situation has worse and we didn't even have anything close up on our bush with michelle out of my day. if my husband has to come here to receive aid, how will we find those 50 to 60 afghani is that he is earning. i have to come here at 9 am, but have not received the aid yet. so if he has to come, he will have to quit his job. what a fucking name on them, ali ne, closing thoughts, can you leave us with a sentence or 2 that may be can, can instill some hope in his combo? the hope is that the avalon people are still trying to live their lives as much as
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possible and they are still finding ways tab sort of step out against the taliban. we've had elders come out in several provinces from conduct popped out to balmy. i had won, i get instead, the high school limitations and 30 provinces. so little there is no movement. there is more men. and this is obviously a story that is gonna continue moving and we will move with that is all the time that we have for today. thank you, hourly. so could be a and samira for joining us. we'll continue to follow updates from afghanistan. here on the stream, you can always find us on al jazeera dot com. ah, african stories from african perspective isn't what i don't know yet as a little bit short documentary from
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