tv Election Questions BBC News June 5, 2017 2:30am-3:01am BST
"r 'u ‘ur m: u itsn ii‘ul‘ei committee itself signing up to the prevent programme, but only one in eight referrals at the moment come from muslim people. you support prevent? yes. there is a breakdown of trust. and finally, we have to look at the saudi funding of mosques. saudi arabia basically spread hatred and radicalism and violence around the globe and we have to look at mosques in this country being funded by saudis and qataris. the first question from james. qataris. the first question from james. you said detention without trial should be considered for terror suspects. is that not fundamentally against the system of british justice? what i said is that nothing should be taken off the table. i also spoke about a return to control orders and tagging. the safety of british civilians, last
night, manchester, and indeed the westminster attack, proves this. night, manchester, and indeed the westminsterattack, proves this. it is more important than the human rights of any would—be jihadi. we have to accept we are in a different world. this is a dangerous society. there are a small group of people in this country, and it is small, who hate the way we live, he too we are, and want to destroy our democracy. the muslim community itself are victims here. be the majority of muslims are peaceful. they add to our culture and they add to our economy. but there is a small number, andi economy. but there is a small number, and i have called it, radical islam, it is a cancer. a gentle man in the front row. hello. what is your attitude to groups of young islamic men wandering around
telling people what to do, basically? it should be made perfectly clear that there is one law in this country and that is british law. and people should sign up british law. and people should sign up to british values and the british way of life. fracker —— period. it should simply not be accepted in british society and these people should be told loud and clear there is one rule and law you sign up to in this country. if you break the law, you go to jail. what is different? telling these people to cover—up, they are not necessarily breaking the law. however they need to be told and it needs to be made clear you are in britain. anti-internment is the answer? i did not say that. actually, i also mentioned waterboarding by the way. i mentioned waterboarding in the case
there was going to be an imminent terrorist attack. if we need information quickly, i will not take anything off the table to make sure british women, men, and children, are kept safe. is that extreme? i tell you what is extreme, people going to the manchester arena and blowing themselves up with a mail bomb and killing 22 women and children. what will you do to prevent it? someone driving a van la st prevent it? someone driving a van last night down westminster bridge and mowing people over. that is the problem and that is what is extreme. the lady at the front. hello. i think it is notable you are attempting to distinguish between islamic and islamism and thank you for putting that in the narrative. but your overrev —— overdependence on prevent, etc. how do you
distinguish... you talked about banning the burka. you are not drawing a distinction. it is about integration. one thing is clear in this country driven by reports by trevor phillips and so on. we are becoming a more divided society... it is to do with your rhetoric. becoming a more divided society... it is to do with your rhetoricm is not. it is the failed ideology of multiculturalism. that is a problem where communities are encouraged to live beside each other but never have to mix. it cannot be right that 2296 have to mix. it cannot be right that 22% of muslim women in britain speak very little english or none at all. what about face coverings and banning them. we don't want to ban just the burka and kneecap, it should be face coverings in general.
—— niqab. as forthose, iwould argue two things, wind, it is about security. there are numerous examples of people escaping after terrorist attacks or the killings wearing these kinds of things. whether we like it or not, we are the most watched people in the world. we have the most cctv in the world. we have the most cctv in the world. for that to work, you need to be able to see your face. to enjoy british society and communicate properly, you have to be prepared to show your face. how does prevent integrate... another question. in france, they banned the burka and have suffered terrible terror incidents. prevent has been criticised for alienating communities. i wonder if your rhetoric and the way you speak about islamic is in itself inciting
radicalisation. i know if i was a muslim sitting in this audience, i would not feel particularly co mforta ble would not feel particularly comfortable with some of the things you are saying. actually, i am not saying anything negative about islam, but islamism. it is that which breeds these people who hate us which breeds these people who hate us and want to kill us, right? we have to do something about it. what should we do? islamism is not welcome in britain. we will no longer turn a blind eye to it. i was glad to hear theresa may finally say enoughis glad to hear theresa may finally say enough is enough. we cannot allow this to continue. we have to cut this to continue. we have to cut this out. that means more police on the streets. it means... radicalisation is rife within prisons. it means putting more prisons. it means putting more prison officers, 7000 more prison officers, 4000 more border guards. we have to make sure i wrote people are safe. in the comment from the
man in the middle. —— our own people. the integration policy. you mentioned we are at the point where six perpetrator gangs are grooming young girls. all of these young girls and all of these grooming gangs, they are almost always from a particular section of the community, thatis, particular section of the community, that is, packer sunni muslims. you are right. that is because of political correctness. —— pakistani. all the political parties and local authorities have turned a blind eye to this forfar too long. we end up ina to this forfar too long. we end up in a situation like rotherham where we have 1400 girls who have been groomed or raped, terrible things. the fact is, because of political correctness, we have said nothing and have turned a blind eye. i would argue that religion and race in
these circumstances should be an aggravating factor when these cases go to court. these people have been through the criminaljustice system and were convicted in the cases. what further do you want to do? you wa nt to what further do you want to do? you want to make their religion... religion and race in other cases are an aggravating factor. these girls are being picked generally because they are hindu etc. but they are predominately white and christian. they are not being groomed within the muslim committee. the gentle man in the hat. i am kamal mohammed. you can guess my religion. on behalf of the sudanese community, we condemn the sudanese community, we condemn the horrible attack in london last night. they do not represent us. i
am glad to hear you talking positively about the muslim committee. but you also talk about trust. building trust with the muslim community in order to tackle extremism. you like figures and numbers. there was a recent bit of research from bristol university saying if you are a qualified muslim with a degree, you have three times less chance to get a job than a white person. and that is the research. what can you do to tackle institutional racism? research. what can you do to tackle institutional racism ? if research. what can you do to tackle institutional racism? if you want to build trust between us, how will you tackle institutional racism ? build trust between us, how will you tackle institutional racism? well, i am not aware of that piece of research. if it is correct, then it is an. another statistic. 16%...
answer the question. how would you deal with people who feel marginalised? this is about bringing people together. telling muslim women to not wear face coverings will help that? yet we can see faces and communicate properly. what i also want to say is the other statistic on this is 58% of muslim women are economically inactive. because you are not giving them jobs. that is all it is. i would argue ina jobs. that is all it is. i would argue in a sense you are probably right to a point, but there is also theissue right to a point, but there is also the issue around integration and muslim women being willing to put themselves forward forjobs. and, again, the face coverings are stopping them getting jobs. this research was conducted by the bbc
and the university of bristol. i would invite you to look at it. the next question. umm, do ukip and your general rhetoric and policy, do you have responsibility for the rise of uk terrorism? and was it a sincere and appropriate gesture to be the only party who did not suspend election campaigning following the attack last night? well, obviously, the green party did not, because you just had them on this platform as well. what i will say is it was an act of defiance. these people hate our democracy. what a great way to say you will not beat us by making sure the general election takes place? ok? and it continues.
sure the general election takes place? 0k? and it continues. what about the rhetoric in terms of leading to radicalisation?m about the rhetoric in terms of leading to radicalisation? it is not. radicalisation comes from saudi arabia and qatar spreading islamism throughout the world. why did one of your mps call islam a death cult and a barbaric religion? does that help community collusion? he is wrong. what i have said is extremist islamism is the problem we have. that is the word i use. another question. going back to one of the issues that you brought up a moment ago in terms of religious headdress, whether or not in a separate context you think this is a practical and tangible request of a society, that they should have their face visible at all times, can you not see how
bringing up these kinds of personal alienating culturallyjudgement of points, that it does alienate people. let him answer. this will happen anyway. ok? it is what happened in france, belgium, bulgaria, the... you are the only party asking for it here. it will happen in germany eventually. angela merkel is already talking about it so merkel is already talking about it so be it will happen in austria in holland. you can be on the curve or behind it. one law for all. that is what i would like in this country. while we have sharia law saying one thing and another saying another, i think you are going to have complete division forever and ever until we have one law for all. we will all know what is good, we will all know what is bad, and we will move on from there. i tend to agree. i don't
agree with sharia councils and court, because there is no place for a court in this country where the word of a woman is half that of a man. we will have to move on. to be clear, there is only one law in this country. in the eyes of the judges. just to make it clear. can we go to the next question? where are you's ukip proposed to defend the nhs, yet most people that work their art immigrant. -- there are. the biggest threat to the nhs is brexit. immigrant. -- there are. the biggest threat to the nhs is brexitm immigrant. -- there are. the biggest threat to the nhs is brexit. it is not a danger. what we would like to see is the 157,000 eu migrants working at the nhs at this current
point in time, i want the government on the day it is elected, june ninth, say you provide a greatjob for the nhs, you ninth, say you provide a greatjob forthe nhs, you are ninth, say you provide a greatjob for the nhs, you are good for the economy, you can stay that it symbolised that. —— simple as that. we are the party giving the best deal for the nhs out of any. that is because we are prepared to look at other priorities. we would like to see the foreign aid budget costing the british people £30 million every single day slashed. that money can be transferred into social care and the nhs. you say you wa nt to social care and the nhs. you say you want to cut the foreign aid budget to not .2%. that will not save what you say. it will save £11 billion by
the end of this term because it is a year on year. even if you cut it did not .2% of gna, that is the same level as what america was paying in the obama administration. no one would suggest america under obama was not charitable. it is still more than spain and portugal put together. i know from polling that the vast majority of people agree with us. cut the foreign aid budget and spend the money on the nhs. cheering and applause. all the other parties have signed up to the commitment. you are talking complete rubbish. cheering and applause. somebody talked about racism as an institution and eu represented. —— you. the health service has a huge
number of people being affected by your approach to our society... because i cut the foreign aid budget? because you are coming across as a polemic darkness. you are talking about water boarding, jake king is down to all lower—level and we are better than that. —— you are talking about. you are talking about protect thing british citizens. we are giving foreign aid toa citizens. we are giving foreign aid to a country like india which is more billionaires and billionaires than ourselves. it has a space programme, nuclear weapons, aircraft carrier. i'm sorry, it charity begins at home. cheering and
applause. if your policy is was so popular, why have you done so spec taki na li badly in recent election. —— spec spectacular. taki na li badly in recent election. -- spec spectacular. we cut labour 's majority in half. i said about the local elections which you were supposed to win. with the local elections we knew they were going to be the most difficult in ukip history. we have won the war getting the referendum and brexit. we have to be the country's insurance policy. i think theresa may is going to win the election however i do not trust are to get a good deal for britain going into the negotiations
therefore ukip has to be that continuing to be the guard dog of brexit. you mentioned you have one of the world, presumably meaning brexit. why do we still need ukip? two reasons. i made one of the points. i am two reasons. i made one of the points. lam not two reasons. i made one of the points. i am not convinced that whoever is prime minister, and i think it will be theresa may, will go out and negotiate hard enough. if it was not for ukip that would not have been a referendum in the first place. we forced the prime minister david cameron into having a referendum and it proves how important ukip can be. if ukip is strong... but it is not, that is my
point. ukip, in politics the tide comes in and it goes out. we can be the prime minister 's back on to get the prime minister 's back on to get the kind of brexit deal we want. secondly, it is also important that ukip because we drive the political agenda. we make the political weather in many ways. people laughed at us because they felt a bit uncomfortable about our integration agenda, theresa may is now talking our language. ten years ago people laughed at us when we spoke about brexit. where we spoke about immigration, people said it was racist. what is your immigration system — racist. what is your immigration system— will one in, one out policy.
that is a gimmick. balanced migration. first proposed by frank field, a labourmp, migration. first proposed by frank field, a labour mp, supported bya tory mp. we want to see zero net immigration over the next five years so immigration over the next five years so for example, 339,000 people left written last year that means we will let in the same sort of number. however, it would be up points —based however, it would be up points — based system however, it would be up points —based system like australia so we get in skilled migrants which add to the economy and would be good for british wages and social cohesion. however many doctors or high—tech specialists, we might need, they could not come into the uk until
somebody else leaves. what we are saying is not zero immigration, we are still letting in 300,000 a year but it would be skilled migrants. so not the 10th of thousands even on net migration. net migration not gross. coming back to the point of nhs staffing shortages, what is the response to figures conducted by royal college of nurses. it is about people not wanting to come to the uk now. the majority of nurses within the nhs are british and next on the list are obviously non—eu migrants
now. we need to start training our rain nurses. —— our now. we need to start training our rain nurses. “ our nurses. now. we need to start training our rain nurses. —— our nurses. it is not fair but taking nurses from africa where one in three people have hiv. inaudible. i said it africa where one in three people have hiv. inaudible. isaid it is not fair we have hiv. inaudible. isaid it is not fairwe are have hiv. inaudible. isaid it is not fair we are taking nurses from countries where they are obviously needed there. your response that companies that will pull a lot of jobs out of the uk after brexit and that immigration is economically beneficial for the that immigration is economically beneficialfor the uk. that immigration is economically beneficial for the uk. you that immigration is economically beneficialfor the uk. you persuing ideology for ideology‘s sake? beneficialfor the uk. you persuing ideology for ideology's sake? no. what a lot of these polls have not
taken into account, this policy of 6 billion per year, they have not taken into billion per year, they have not ta ken into account billion per year, they have not taken into account population growth. for example, last yearwe allowed in net a city the size of birmingham. we will have a population of 80 million people and that means there will have to be a new hospital, rail work, that means there will have to be a new hospital, railwork, school building programme. surely you against the building of these institutions? if you take into account the cost of capital investment and keeping up with population, it will be massive. you need to control population. bearing in mind that you were supportive of donald trump pulling out of climate
change talks, do you believe in climate change? applause . firstly, i mean, idid applause . firstly, i mean, i did not support donald trump during his election. i think some of the things he said, specifically regarding women went beyond the pale. i do not think this muslim ban is going to work in any shape or form however i will say that he is doing what he said he was going to do. if he did not, here is someone going to do. if he did not, here is someone who has been elected in a democracy and he is cutting out the will of the people. do you believe in climate change? of course i believe the climate is changing. who is responsible? a whole lot of
different factors. including man—made? yes however i do not buy into the climate alarmist agenda. we are running out of time. you just said that people should stand by their manifestoes and you introduced it by saying you support british values one of which was heaviest corpus —— you reminded me about when there were discussions about not supporting the jews in there were discussions about not supporting thejews in nazism because you are notjewish. supporting thejews in nazism because you are not jewish. there are people who hate who we are and hate what we do and they want to
kill us. i want to make sure that things like and chester and london did not become common place. thank you to paul nuttall. that brings us to the end of all of our special programmes. you can watch all the programmes. you can watch all the programmes involving the leaders of the political parties on bbc iplayer. that leaves me to say good night from bristol. it's going to be a wet and windy start to the new week for many of us. we've seen rain moving across northern ireland, up into scotland. that rain should clear away and as it brightens up, we will get some heavy showers. brightening up too across northern ireland but rain setting and across northern england, especially wales and the south—west, with the wind picking up. we'll see some showery bursts of rain pushing into other eastern parts of england, especially in the afternoon.
here, some semblance of warmth, but otherwise a chilly day, especially underneath all that rain. and the heaviest rain likely to be across wales and north—west england where there could be as much as 80 millimetres, during the day and on monday night. the wet weather only moving very slowly northwards and eastwards, and the winds continuing to strength in the south with gales likele as we head overnight. it remains very windy for many of us. actually, on tuesday, strong to gale force winds. the wet weather may cling on to northern england. more likely to be wet across scotland, eastern scotland. elsewhere last we showers and some sunshine. those showers are likely to be heavy and possibly thundery. welcome to bbc news, broadcasting to viewers in north america and around the globe. my name is kasia madera. our top story this hour: new details of the terror attack that killed seven and injured many more here in the heart of london. eight minutes after
the terror began, police shot dead the attackers. so who were they and why did they strike? world leaders express support for london. the australian prime minister calls it the cruel, new reality. # so, sally can wait, she knows it's too late...# and in manchester, the scene of the previous uk attack, a tribute concert with some of the world's biggest stars.
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