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the british prime minister, theresa may, is forming a new minority government, a day after losing her majority in a snap election. her party will work with northern ireland's democratic unionists who won ten seats. she's said she'll keep her most senior ministers. in contrast, the opposition labour party celebrated unexpected gains across the country. their leaderjeremy corbyn said people, young and old, had voted for change and for hope. mrs may said crucial talks on britain leaving the european union would begin as planned in ten days‘ time. but she'll enter brexit negotiations in a much weaker position. president trump has said he is willing to testify under oath about his talks with the sacked former fbi director, james comey. mr trump rejected the allegation that he had urged mr comey to drop an investigation into his presidential campaign's links with russia. more now on the surprise result of britain's election today and when the prime minister called the election she had a majority. but she wanted to increase it saying the uk needed strong and stable leadership heading into the brexit negotiations.
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she took a risk and just seven weeks ago, it seemed almost certain to pay off. but how different it all looks today? she has lost 12 seats and with it her parliamentary majority. nick watt spent the day in westminster examining the shape of theresa may's new government and asking — can she govern? for now, theresa may continues as her majesty was the 13th prime minister, but she stumbled back into downing street after running close second by a man who for three decades has been dismissed by all parties as a marginal figure. this government will guide the country through crucial brexit talks...m was almost as if nothing has changed as theresa may pledged to lead another government. ministers told newsnight that her failure to acknowledge in her statement that she had squandered a tory majority
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was a major mistake. within a few hours there was a new hint of contrition. i'm sorry for all those candidates and ha rd—working contrition. i'm sorry for all those candidates and hard—working party workers who weren't successful. tories are divided over theresa may's future. the eurosceptics are determined to keep the motto of brexit meaning brexit. others believe there should be another contest to avoid another circus. normally hear in the shadow of parliament it would be teeming with cabinet ministers tripping over themselves to hail of wonderful general election victory, or if things didn't go quite as planned saying they are disappointed and how they hope to govern in the national interest. this afternoon i can't really see any cabinet ministers. i've been speaking to ministers and they say they are profoundly disappointed with the election result and they are furious and blaming theresa may and the very
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small circle of advisers. particular anger has been aimed at theresa may's gatekeepers fiona heal and nick timothy. do you think she might need to have a rethink of how she i’u ns need to have a rethink of how she runs things, the inner circle?|j think runs things, the inner circle?” think the cabinet will demand a rethink. i think they will say we have to do things differently around here, you have to widen the circle of the blue advise you and listen to a cross of the blue advise you and listen to a cross the party. for the moment is diminished prime minister will attempt to govern with the help of northern ireland's democratic unionist, probably an arrangement in which they would support the queen's speech and budgets, meaning lots of late nights as theresa may 60 pass other legislation. the proposed tie—up the party that opposes gay marriage and abortion is causing alarm amongst tory modernisers, notably the leader of the scottish conservatives. and then there is the
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small matter of brexit. theresa may called this general election to give herself a free hand in the brexit negotiations and to ensure she is hostage to no one. that calculation has backfired in spectacularfashion and she may well now find that she has pulled in all directions. there will be the hardline eurosceptics who demand she lives up to her commitment to pull out of the single market and the pullout of most of the customs union, but then there will be a contingent of tories in scotla nd will be a contingent of tories in scotland who will want precisely the opposite and there is the dup who has talked about how they want a special customs arrangement to protect northern ireland. however, two vetera ns protect northern ireland. however, two veterans of the northern ireland peace process say there are inherent dangers in relying on dup support.” think it's a big mistake. since 1991 the british government has made it clear that it is neutral in northern ireland and doesn't take sides. the change that would be a catastrophic mistake and would really undermined
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the whole basis of the peace agreement. furthermore it would make it very difficult to have a new executive in northern ireland. up to 110w executive in northern ireland. up to now the british government has been a neutral party. how can it do that when it is supported by one particular party that can pull the plug on it at any stage? it really could undermine all that we have achieved over the past several decades in northern ireland.” achieved over the past several decades in northern ireland. i think this election has got us to a situation where actually independence for scotland is a long way off. i think the issue for the union, the union of the uk, is now going to focus more on northern ireland. the traditionaljourney in the early hours of the morning, from their constituency to london, should we be triumphant drive. instead theresa may was left to contemplate with her husband philip may how the gamble she took with great relu cta nce gamble she took with great reluctance has left her premiership in grave peril. let's ta ke
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let's take a closer look at the strea m let's take a closer look at the stream of results which started before midnight and soon pointed the way to an outcome that few expected. here isjeremy here is jeremy vine. let's look at the change to map of the uk after another absolutely shocking election result. first of all you see the snp in yellow, driven back. the scottish nationalists at losing more than one third of their seats. you can see labour advancing in places like canterbury, where they turned a 10,000 conservative majority. there isa 10,000 conservative majority. there is a bit more orange for the lib dems on the map, in places like oxford west. what exactly has happened? oxford west. what exactly has happened ? the oxford west. what exactly has happened? the conservatives came first. have a look at the percentage. 44% to theresa may. jeremy corbyn‘s a1% is remarkable. many young voters poured into sport
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labour. the liberal democrats bumpy long—on 8%, although they are focusing better this time. the greens on to be said. ukip on 1% is a big part of the story. their voters crashed. look at that, down 1196. voters crashed. look at that, down 11%. it was thought it would go straight to the conservatives but he didn't. labour benefited as well. this is where all the action will be 110w. this is where all the action will be now. have a look at the government benches. the conservatives have 318 seats. they are the largest single party but are short of an overall majority. they need 326 to be able to upload all the other mps put together. so the tories have a problem. let's have a look at the opposition bench. and improve the labour party. the snp by contrast down by more than one third. only five mps now. a dozen for the lib
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dems. in northern ireland, the dup celebrating ten. sinn fein have seven. played —— the independent is a northern ireland mp. no one from ukip in the house of commons. there are more than 200 female mps for the first time. that in itself is indicative. let's go back to the challenge facing the conservatives. they will have a working arrangement with the liberal conservatives. we put these ten mps on to the government benches and low and behold a majority of six. six is very slim. it will be very tough to govern. they will have to listen ha rd to govern. they will have to listen hard to what the party from northern ireland is asking for and it is embarrassing, humiliating, for theresa may. the result of the election was not predicted. so why do we have these results? we know that some remainers voted for corbyn to soften brexit. but what else contributed to rock the status quo?
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david grossman looks at what happened and how we got to where we are. canterbury in kent is a good place from which to tell the tale of how labour sliced, diced and devoured theresa may's majority. like chaucer's tales, this is a set of overlapping narratives that combine to turn this conservative seat with a 10,000 majority into a labour victory. of course the labour party didn't exist in chaucer's date but the fact that a city like this, that resisted the charms of tony blair, harold wilson and others, should suddenly fall to the party ofjeremy corbyn suggests something extraordinary happened. rosemary
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duffield is duly elect did never of parliament. she never expected to win. a single mum who writes comedy, thejoke is win. a single mum who writes comedy, the joke is now win. a single mum who writes comedy, thejoke is now on win. a single mum who writes comedy, the joke is now on the conservatives, a warning of a coalition of chaos. she was quietly assembling a coalition of concerns. people are really worried about where they will go. austerity has played a part, people are dependent on tax credits, i see people crying when their husbands pass away all with their children move from their home. all of those things affect people's lives. but it is what galvanised people to get out and vote. canterbury has 40,000 students. if the election has been —— had been next week they would have been on holiday and perhaps out of town. they were energised by
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jeremy corbyn instead. the turnout of young voters like this, who with decisive in many of the seats. does something feel different about jeremy corbyn? i think so. i think he is just jeremy corbyn? i think so. i think he isjust engaging jeremy corbyn? i think so. i think he is just engaging so jeremy corbyn? i think so. i think he isjust engaging so much more with the younger people, the younger generations. obviously he is touching on things like tuition fees, although perhaps scrapping them completely is a little unrealistic. he is trying to provide us unrealistic. he is trying to provide us with a better future.” unrealistic. he is trying to provide us with a better future. i am supporting someone who is supporting the nhs, education, the arts, rather than someone who had opinions in the 80s which i don't know about. i'm not basing my opinions on that, i'm basing them on what he is telling us today and what the labour manifestoes are today. john mcdonnell was one of the architects of labour's strategy and he's says they deliberately operated under the radar of conventional politics. how
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did you turn what looks like an unplayable hand, if every commentator in westminster was to be believed, and to deliver this results ? believed, and to deliver this results? we had a lot of discussion over many years about how we could change the nature of liberal discourse in this country. we took a very strong view and during the leadership campaign two years ago we decided we had to reflect his character as the positive party. none of the nasty stuff we have seen in other parties and in the media. if we can do that and if we use traditional method, as we toured the country, we have reinvented word of mouth and also try to cut through some of the buyers in the written media —— bias. and the use of social media. but, hang on, say the critics ofjeremy corbyn, although the party
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has smashed expectations had gained 36, is the core ben stiller we has about as many as gordon brown won in 2010. how do they play it from here on in? there are only two things we have to do. really properly learn what went well in this campaign. you can talk about it and you can assert and assume, but we have to work out what went really well and also what held us back to smack the tory party in freefall, why aren't we allowed a single party? but that enquiry word star single party? but that enquiry wordstar just yet. tonight, single party? but that enquiry wordstarjust yet. tonight, another win. —— would start. on a second recount and by 20 votes now there is a labourmp. across the country there was a greater swing to labour in seats with a higher population of 18 to 24 year olds. steph mcgovern has been getting reaction from voters in another constituency — york.
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she began by asking a labour supporter why he was happy with the result. i think part of it on the one hand is the huge levels of youth turnout that's been reported. i've singh figures of 72%, if that's the result, that's brilliant. but on the other hand i think it was the conservatives who thought they could ta ke conservatives who thought they could take the ukip vote for granted and it didn't seem to reflect that way because they were antiestablishment and at the end of the day they couldn't indoors theresa may. kiran, i know we were talking earlier about, i know it isn'tjust about tuition fees, is it chris boyd a lot of people i know who our young are adversaries students.” of people i know who our young are adversaries students. i have a lot of friends who work to our young as well and some were taking an interest. they aren't being spoonfed things any more. they are going out
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and looking and finding manifestoes. i saw and looking and finding manifestoes. isawa and looking and finding manifestoes. i saw a skiving... our and looking and finding manifestoes. i saw a skiving. .. our rivals, is that what you're telling me? i saw a skiving. .. our rivals, is that what you're telling me ?m i saw a skiving. .. our rivals, is that what you're telling me? it was a 36% swing to the conservatives and 36% swing to labour in 18 to 30 —year—olds —— sky thing. that is where the main difference is. that's where the main difference is. that's where the main difference is. that's where the big difference was. i know we've got some conservative voters, ross and lance, you voted for the liberal democrats, what are your thoughts on the result? as i said before earlier this week, i think the lib dems have done well and have more women. i think is it one third of the seats now of the 12 seats are women, which is a very good thing, joe swinton has been absolutely amazing mp beforehand and a minister
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and she is back, and it is good, norman lamb is back, no, he held a seat and he has been doing absolutely amazing stuff when it comes to mental health and making sure that mental health and physical health were at parity when it comes to treatment. obviously nick clegg as well. he was gone, where you gutted about that? we all know about that! and ross, conservative voter. it was a disappointing national result but locally a lot of constituencies, we had a massive increase in the conservative vote, in don valley, my constituency, a 64% increase in voter turnout, 9000 more votes going to the conservatives so in an area where people are taken for granted it is a labour constituency, now it is very winnable in the next election for the conservative party if we play out the conservative party if we play our cards right. next election, that could be any time soon! hopefully
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not any time soon, i need a rest! i think we all need a rest. what do you think of this tie—up with the dup? i'm not optimistic about a tie—up with the dup, i hope a strong government can produce a brexit that people voted for to keep the economy stable, reinforce enthusiastic and from businesses in the uk economy. i'm reallyjust hoping we don't get into any economic problems as a result of it. it is fair to say despite your political differences, you are all agreed it is good news is that there are more young people voting. definitely. a good note to end on. that's it from us in york. so for the second time in the past three general elections the united kingdom has a hung parliament. theresa may will form a government with the help of the democratic unionist party. but the process of governing with such a slender majority will be no easy task. our home editor mark easton looks at the challenges presented by a hung parliament and what the road ahead could look like.
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the dice were thrown and the 2017th election game got a whole lot more competent at. without enough tory mps to outvote the rest of the commons, theresa may has decided to play on any way. this boardgame from the early 20s is from an era where britain also saw party leaders try to run the country without a majority in the house of commons and then as now they faced a choice, a formal coalition with another party, 01’ formal coalition with another party, or try to muddle through vote by vote in a minority government. there was a coalition of causing 2010 when david cameron negotiated a formal agreement with nick clegg of the liberal democrats. but theresa may's position is more likejohn major in the mid—19 nineties. his small majority disappeared during the parliament and the fractious politics of the time he was forced to act like a minority government for many years. in the john major time we were bringing people in, there was a vote that was one by one
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vote, people coming in on stretchers. we could be back to those scenes. former head of the civil servants lord gus o'donnell worked at the heart of both major‘s government and cameron's coalition. coalition is very formal, there's an agreement, they talk, they go through the whole programme, in a minority it is more political deals. made usually in the house of commons. classic smoke—filled rooms you saw in 1970s. it is much more ad hoc. the queen's speech, the budget, votes of no confidence, the democratic unionists may support theresa may through key votes but everything else will be open to negotiation. civil servants will be urging the prime minister to drop any legislation that might prove difficult to get through. in a minority government the manifesto is more a wish list than a promise to the country. minority governments are fragile creatures, as labour's ramsey macdonald found in 1924, his
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admits thracian survived just nine months. what you'd ideally like to do with a minority government is operate for a while, get the confidence of the nation and then get another election. another election, brenda is going to be outraged! indeed she is, i'm very sorry, brenda! not another one! harold wilson was one of the last prime minister is to try to run the country with a minority, he had to call another election just six months later, they are there things in the game of minority governments there are rarely any winners. mark easton, bbc news. as voters are coming to terms with the new political landscape, there will be far reaching consequences and across the uk, millions of people are asking what it all means for them. our correspondentjon kay has been gauging the mood among voters, travelling from dumfries in scotland all the way to stroud in the south—west of england, here's his report. breakfasttime at a truck stop in the
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scottish borders. theresa may might have to move house... and news is sinking in. completely upside down, isn't it? conservatives stacking up seats here but losing their majority in westminster. you look gobsmacked? chaos! that's what we didn't really need. at the till, lee thinks theresa may should blame herself. she was focused too much on brexit. she's been trying to drive that down people's throats and it hasn't worked out for her. but in the kitchen, anne thinks a tory coalition could be a good thing right now. it could be the best way to go to get views from both sides. we head south across the border to find out why so many people who voted for brexit last year voted labour this time. crew in cheshire.
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i was quite shocked to be honest. win you momager murtaugh me the tories hadn't connected with her. they don't really come to places like this and the real live people —— win you mum gemma. ifeel they live in a bit of a bubble. crew has switched from tory to labour and market trader punchal said the conservatives should have stuck to issues he cared about. what are you interested in? health, schooling, education. i've got two boys, i don't know whether they are going to get a job or anything like that. teresa has shot herself in the foot actually because a lot of pensioners have been very unhappy. i've been a staunch supporter of her but i'm very disappointed. did you vote for her? yes, i did. we carry on down through the midlands. labour has also won constituencies that voted to remain in the eu, like sprout in
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rural gloucs. this is now one of jeremy corbyn's seats.” rural gloucs. this is now one of jeremy corbyn's seats. i think they we re jeremy corbyn's seats. i think they were resting on their laurels. on the village green we meet pippa, a tory voter, but she thinks labour worked harder to connect with younger voters. they work hard with younger voters. they work hard with younger people and i don't think the conservatives put enough into that. butjim told me he was more impressed byjeremy butjim told me he was more impressed by jeremy corbyn butjim told me he was more impressed byjeremy corbyn than theresa may. i wouldn't trust her as far as theresa may. i wouldn't trust her as farasi theresa may. i wouldn't trust her as far as i could throw her. but you would trust corp in? i think so, i would trust corp in? i think so, i would certainly give him a chance —— corbyn. so hundreds of miles today politics influx but life rolling on. jon kay, bbc news. so, the uk is digesting the shock election result that saw prime minister, theresa may's conservative party lose its majority. nevertheless, she will now start forming a new government, with her political partners in northern ireland. we'll leave you with some of the sights and sounds of the past day or so, stay with us as the bbc
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follows every twist and turn. big ben sounds and what we're saying is the conservatives are the largest party. note they don't have an overall majority at this stage. unless the exit poll is incredibly wrong, the prime minister has bailed to achieve her principal objective. the prime minister has failed to achieve her principal objective. the worst possible outcome would be a hung parliament. cheering politics has changed and politics isn't going back. you live by the sword and you die by the sword. i am standing down today as the leader of ukip with immediate effect. reporter: are you stepping down, mrs may? oh, jeremy corbyn! i will now form a government, a government that can provide certainty and lead britain forward at this critical time
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for our country. we will enter discussions with the conservatives. now let's get to work. hello there. it's felt a little more like autumn for some this week and although high pressure will build into next week and we'll hopefully see more of these skylines, this was sent in late in the day on friday, before that we will have yet more rain, strong and blustery winds with some sunshine, warm sunshine dispersed, so not a great weekend for heading to the mountains or a small boat.
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after the rain there will also be more showers following on. this is the area of cloud, the area of low pressure that will bring that disturbed weather through the weekend. not a washout for all but certainly quite a bit of rain to come. the north—east of scotland may start quite chilly with a bit of fog around, the south and east brightening up quite quickly but with the south—westerly wind pushing that rain into the welsh mountains and cumbrian fells, we could see the wettest weather here, 20 to 40 millimetres. once it clears away, northern ireland will have a warm and bright afternoon, warmer and brighterfor the northern isles and northern scotland than yesterday, perhaps 20 here and even with the rain, not especially cold, quite grey with murky low cloud and hill fog. while we come out of that cloud and back into the sunshine in central and eastern areas and we could see 24 or 25, so some very warm and muggy airaround. touch and go for the cricket at edgbaston, england—australia, just because you're close to that rain band, hopefully we will get some play and bad light
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won't spoil the affair. through the evening that rain will advance further eastwards so we will see patchy rain in southern and eastern areas and then the wind will push the showers into the north and west of scotland, not a cold night but particularly particularly warm stuck under that weather front in central and eastern england and here it is on sunday. although the main rain is clearing on sunday with low pressure sat to the north—west, it does means it won't be a particularly set day, tightly packed isobars indicating strong winds at times, gusting winds with showers, northern ireland, scotland, north—western parts of england and wales could be heavy with under. the cloud is meandering south and east so after a bright start some patchy rain before the rain returns in the evening and not as warm as a result across the south and east, fresher airfollowing on behind that weather front. into that fresher air on monday, still a blustery breeze with showers around, especially in the north, not so much in the south
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but nevertheless not ruling out the risk. gradually the azores high will be just building northwards, pushing more warmth and sunshine north, keeping bees weather fronts at bay and keeping them to the north and west. as ever, more detail on the website. this is bbc news. i'm chris rogers. our top stories: theresa may's forced to form a minority government after a bruising night in britain's general election. the prime minister's back in downing street, but to stay there she'll have to broker a deal with northern ireland's democratic unionists. brexit talks are due to begin injust ten days. mrs may insists they will go ahead as planned. in other news: president trump calls the sacked fbi directorjames comey a liar, and says he's willing to testify under oath. hello.
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