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hello and a very warm welcome to dateline london. this week we are discussing the future of the iranian nuclear deal as president trump says he will tolerate it for a few more months. what impact will that have inside the country where so many are still in prison? and as two key british ministers may brexit please in germany, was anybody listening? might guess, agnes from a french magazine, geoffrey the broadcaster who was foreign correspondent for us television. and iranian writer and journalist and a british clinical commentator and journalist. a warm welcome to all of you. president trump has a announced it will extend relief just one trump has a announced it will extend reliefjust one more time giving
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european countries one more chance to fix terrible flaws in the 2015 deal. for example, they want permanent restrictions on the iranian -- permanent restrictions on the iranian —— uranium enrichment. the administration also announced 1a new targeted sanctions against individuals and entities. so all the other signatories to this deal say that it has worked and it is working and it is the best plan available. what does this stands from president trump mean? he is trying to link the nuclear deal to two other issues, one of the missile programme which is mentioned in the un resolution but not in the deal. don't forget that the deal is just a verbal deal, nobody signed and nobody is legally committed. the second thing is he wa nts to committed. the second thing is he wants to connect it to human rights. is why, for example, the chief
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justice has been sanctioned under this decision by president trump. he has made some headway with the french president who has also mentioned these two issues. the idea is to force the iranians into negotiations for a new package so the nuclear issue is not treated in isolation. the idea is you cannot have a regime behaving differently, playing nice on nuclear but bad on human rights and missile issues. western hostages, for example, most of them are not charged with anything. there is a package of problems and i think donald trump, if he succeeds, he will bring iran to solve the whole of its problems. it isa to solve the whole of its problems. it is a country with many problems with the outside world and the
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wisest thing is to tackle them all together. there is plenty to talk about there. jeffrey, is this being said because of all of the factors highlighted or is itjust a visceral reaction to a deal signed under president 0bama? it is very clear it is the latter. what he talks about are complex issues that takes a lot of study. donald trump is not a man who likes to study. these are gut reactions. they are bad, 0bama like them and therefore i do not. there is no game of chess here, this is checkers. but the advisers around the donald trump agree. this is one foreign policy area where he and his advisers are in agreement. there is advisers are in agreement. there is a general consensus advisers are in agreement. there is a general consensus that iran has been allowed to get away with a lot and there is a lot of kowtowing to try to accommodate. i think there is a sense that iran needs to be held to account. that is why there is
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support. the complexity of this... and when you add in demonstrations that we have seen over the last few months in iran that come in conservative areas, they add a layer of complexity that make it far more difficult to navigate. and when iran says it will respond forcefully to any attempts to get it to negotiate something new, what does that mean? what is your take? it does not mean anything. it is just what is your take? it does not mean anything. it isjust dragging and sabre rattling because iran is in a wea k sabre rattling because iran is in a weak position at the moment. the deal that the americans are playing... bashing trump is not going to help, he does not understand the issue but the american administration, the government, the superpower, it is making a comeback, regardless of donald trump. the fact years that here is america acting unilaterally.
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all the european powers are horrified by what is going on. you cannot hope to be the leader of the western world if you behave in a way that america is doing. the bigger picture outside of this, apart from the missile deal and what have you, is the situation in the middle east. ican is the situation in the middle east. i can understand why both europeans and americans are worried by iran's role in syria and iran's role in yemen. there is a series. the way to approach it is surely not an incredibly blunt an aggressive way, ignoring allies. i am worried by your soft approach. i don't want to participate in trump bashing. he has nothing to do with me. what i'm saying is that he not acted unilaterally. he renewed the suspension of sanctions. he has
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given 120 days, yes. he is free to suggest and here is suggesting to bring a package of issues that we have with iran and instead of setting them to one side, let's face them. it is good for iran as well because iran have not benefited from this deal at all, contrary to what people think. with this 120 day deadline spoken about, what do the european signatories do now? what is their response? firstly it conveys no better alternative that is trump and the american administration were so and the american administration were so authentic and genuine about making it better... because the issues, you well said are complex and there are other questions to be debated, it should be done behind closed doors as it had been done
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before. it is a question for diplomacy. and for the 25 countries that participated. it took ten or 15 yea rs that participated. it took ten or 15 years to get to with iran that we reached and then suddenly there is all this bragging which is counter—productive, especially when you are dealing with iran. if you wa nt to ta ke you are dealing with iran. if you want to take it further, why not? but he has not done anything. he has not given an ultimatum because an ultimatum is a diplomatic term that must the done through diplomatic channels. this may be the last time isign it channels. this may be the last time i sign it is what he said. it did not sound like an ultimatum? you do need to have a backup plan. and now lam defending need to have a backup plan. and now i am defending trump... we want your analysis of what it means. it has nothing to do with donald trump or
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iranians or americans. what i'm saying is that he suggesting, he says that iran is the cause of many problems. we do not deny that. to that point, what could change? as i said, a emmanuel macron is already agreed. the british are out because they are observed with brexit. the italians have no government and the germans have no government. there is nobody. so he is saying, let's bring iran to the negotiating table about intervention in other countries and their support for terrorism, the holding of western hostages, all these things. it will be good for iran as well because once this underbrush is cleared then they can really lift sanctions. sanctions are not really lifted. the iranian embassy in london cannot open a bank
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account in london. it is forced to pay its staff in cash. do you realise that? this is what donald trump said. lesson... ithink realise that? this is what donald trump said. lesson... i think what will be interesting... and that is not what we are here to do discuss. will be ordinary iranians be helped? we have spoken about the protest about the economy. there are several thousand people still in prison, to your point, what could change? what could benefit? a young population who are unemployed. those fundamentals of life, how could that change? if the problem is truly solved... iran as a nationstate, iran hasa solved... iran as a nationstate, iran has a problem. a schizophrenia. 0ne—day iran must decide to join the nations and not be a vehicle for
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exporting revolution to begin that case, iran has no problem with anybody. it is the only country in the middle east with defined orders, the middle east with defined orders, the only one in the middle east that has not been at war with anybody except the iraqi invasion in the 19905. except the iraqi invasion in the 1990s. we have no problem with anybody. the problem we have is that because we want to make the rest communist. what problems we have with the us? none at all. we do not share a border zero a week compete over market or access to raw material. we have 2 million iranians living in the united states. we have a good relationship with them and we have become the number one enemy of the united states because of our revolutionaries side. israel have been our friends revolutionaries side. israel have been ourfriends for revolutionaries side. israel have been our friends for ever, in a sense that we freed the jewish people from babylonian labour read
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2500 yea rs people from babylonian labour read 2500 years ago and i never, you know, never hurt anybody say anything bad about jewish know, never hurt anybody say anything bad aboutjewish people in iran. and now we are anti— israeli? if iran can come back as a nation with its culture and its history, its population, it will be fantastic for everybody. i know, i can sense that there will be enormous debate about this but thank you. we will be returning in weeks to come for sure to discuss this and we will see where this goes. there is more to discuss this week and we must move on. you mentioned brexit and it cannot be ignored this week because two cabinet ministers, those who stayed in place after the reshuffle, headed to germany to make separate pleas about brexit. philip hammond and david davis urged their
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respective audiences to remember the importance of london's financial services sector. they told a german newspaper it makes no sense to put unnecessary at barriers to trade into place. they certainly suggested that britain may want a bespoke deal. was anybody listening in germany? they are rather busy there this week. i don't know why they chose that particular week to go. it was supposed to be a three—day charm offensive and that was a hell of a three—day charm offensive because they ended up telling german newspapers that the eu leaders should not want to punish the eu, that they were paranoid and backward looking. they said remember the financial crisis, effectively. they do not want another one and therefore it hopes all european countries to remain as so in terms
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of financial services. philip hammond at least said something new, beat bewildering, saying that it is for europe to make an offer. to tell us for europe to make an offer. to tell us what you can bring to the table. it is not necessary for britain to tell you, europe um what we want. that conversation between deaf and mute people, that is what it is like the german business leaders in berlin said hang on, we don't know what written once. 0ne—day id is one sort of agreement and then the next it isa sort of agreement and then the next it is a different trade agreement with financial services. it is a different trade agreement with financial serviceslj it is a different trade agreement with financial services. i think they would say they went into germany knowing what they wanted — stability and financial services. 0k. stability and financial services. ok. you discuss financial services, which is key to the british economy.
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but then for the moment, though the eu has said that this city of london and the banks operating there will lose their part sporting bright so that line has not changed. so now it is a question for the british government, really. and therefore the conservative party to come together and decide what they want in order to have a single line to go to brussels with and say you've the kind of agreement... it is a mess. a total and utter mess. we now seem to be willing to pay to secure additional rights for a financial services. we would have to pay a financial penalty. whether this will be sellable to the british parliament or to the british people, i have no idea. but it is a fantastic mess. and what i find interesting is that day by day, reality begins to intrude into these
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negotiations. the french are only too keen to take over our financial services. i can too keen to take over our financial services. i can see services. i can see emmanuel macron rubbing his hands at this moment. the fact is, this country... it is not mad, in my view, and never has been. the conservative party, in theory, should represent the interests of business. that is what it has traditionally been about. the business will not put up with the sort of lying that the conservative party is destined for. so either party will will need to start adjusting and along with the parliament and the prime minister or we will go win for a fantastic dustup. what will they do? what can they do? they will say we need clarity. we cannot plan x years ahead without
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clarity. there is no clarity because there is no unity in the government, in the conservative party. until they can reach an agreed view, it is impossible to put forward a british position. we are in a mess. i can understand the irritability and indeed impatience by european partners, former european partners, with the british position. it is caused by a political crisis within the government. and a political crisis so easy to muddle up, the conservative party and the nation, but they are a different thing. this is the problem we face. the tory party has to sort itself out, and it has to actually begin to realise what it is about and what can actually unify us, otherwise we are ina actually unify us, otherwise we are in a total mass. you know what, sometimes i have that pessimism. sometimes i think it is disorganised
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chaos of the political process. sometimes when we see, when we are in the midst of these storms, you think it has gone to hell in a get. but this is how politics works. —— handbasket. it takes brinksmanship and bargaining to get to a solution. the concern is we have just over a year to resolve this. and i would add... less than that. october. then we have a six—month process. add... less than that. october. then we have a six-month process. two other interesting things of note came out, the pound went to its highest level since the referendum, a dollar 37 us cents? that was partly in response to parent statements, indications, from france and holland, spain, rather, pardon me, that they would be open to a soft brexit. that gave business a
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sense there may be a way out. and then this unexpected comment from nigel farage saying we should have a second of random, which is extraordinary, the idea the man who really initiated this whole momentum now wants to go back to the people, potentially, for another one. —— referendum. he thinks it has more to do with him than brexit now now that his own friend in the white house, steve annan, has been brushed aside. he needs a new role in life. i think there are so many currents now that it becomes incredibly difficult to wonder whether this will lead to something stable, or whether we are going to count these days down and be talking something this disorganised. —— bannon. be talking something this disorganised. —— bannonlj be talking something this disorganised. -- bannon. iwanted to pick up on something you were saying about the divide. we had a cabinet reshuffle this week that was quite extraordinary, and you talk to
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people at westminster all the time. for international viewers who did not follow it, we had a health secretary who was apparently going to be given anotherjob, and to get an extra title added to his current job. another minister who was told to go somewhere else dug her heels in. three hours this went on. what does that tell us about the authority of theresa may? it has been an extraordinary week. shambolic is the only description you can make of the ministry reshuffle. normally it is the time of the utmost prime ministerial power. i don't know, really. she is badly served by people around her. there appears to be no proper preparation. the idea somehow... jeremy hunt has been a close colleague of hers, the health
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secretary, for five years. and for longer than that. she must have known exactly where he is position was, or she should have done. the idea that on the day he suddenly says i am digging in, just a total lack of preparation. so you feel it is unprofessional, you feel that she does not have the skills to manage her party, you feel that she is very, very, very weak indeed. and she is only propped up because they cannot agree between themselves, the tory party, at the moment, because they are in such a crisis, on who should be her successor. itake they are in such a crisis, on who should be her successor. i take your point ofjeremy. should be her successor. i take your point of jeremy. politics should be her successor. i take your point ofjeremy. politics seems to bea point ofjeremy. politics seems to be a fractional affair and in the end it all resolves itself. i would just suggest to him that actually we are going through a period of politics in this country which is really, really unusual. and, yes, there may be a resolution at the end of the day, but my goodness it will be difficult to get to. if you are a
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friend of britain, you just feel sadness. this reshuffle, it sounds like we should send a rescue mission to downing street. a political prisoner is trapped by her own troops. send in the sas, you know, do something. it is that in the end. we can laugh, but as a result, written is in a state of paralysis. we did not want to close this week's programme without as well talking about the massive offence donald trump caused during a bipartisan 0val trump caused during a bipartisan oval office meeting. donald trump himself denies using the offensive word sighting with s, but he said it was tough language. —— starting. united nations said it was racist. are you putting me in a position to use a word on the bbc... entirely
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your choice. i think we have to say it. i never thought i would repeat this word on as a journalist. that is what united nations did. he called the country "shitholes." that came out of his mouth according to witnesses. it is deeply offensive. whatever you think of the man, it is unthinkable that you could defend that kind of talk from a world leader. and, you know, ithink it is also offensive when you think of the tradition of america, you know, "give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses." let's be honest, most of america was settled at the time by people from places he called that. ireland in the 19th century, china, all of these places by donald trump's admission he says are just
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the same. it is mindnumbing to respond to it. were used to a year of bellicose from donald trump. we are used to his extraordinary use of social media in the small hours of the morning. should we be surprised? is there something more worrying about it? first of all, donald trump denies having said that. we have to... that is the precise word, he said he used "tough language." but multiple people were in the room. we have to give him the benefit of the doubt. the democratic senator was there. i think not. it did take him some time before he said a possible "maybe i said that." this s word is pa rt "maybe i said that." this s word is part of the routine vocabulary of americans, but for foreigners, the secretary general of the un, it
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sounds terrible. but the french have so sounds terrible. but the french have so many words like this, so do the germans. except the president does not say that word. it is part of the language of daily life, american literature is full of f words, s words, and so on. we should not make too much of it. the trouble is he has form in this area, describing the race is in south carolina, saying, there was fault both sides to put —— racists. this man does not come with a virgin record.|j to put —— racists. this man does not come with a virgin record. i do not wa nt come with a virgin record. i do not want the defence donald trump. it is none of my business. but we have to put things in context. some ideas become fashionable to be the fashionable idea is to hate trump, so fashionable idea is to hate trump, soiam fashionable idea is to hate trump, so i am against it. it is not
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fashion, it is fact. the president of the free world is indignity personified. we should stop talking about him until he is removed from power by the american in a peaceful and democratic way. i don't think thatis and democratic way. i don't think that is fair to dismiss this as fashionable. hold on. what he did was dismissed... he used that s fashionable. hold on. what he did was dismissed... he used that 5 word against el salvador, haiti, and south africa, saying we need more norwegians. that is by definition a white supremacist agenda, we need more scandinavian looking people, and fewer of those others. when you reduce it to what he really means, thatis reduce it to what he really means, that is what he was saying. thank you for the largely civilised discussion. we will see you all again. a much more passionate debate this time next week, if you can join us. this time next week, if you can join us. thank you for watching. goodbye. hello.
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the recent run of cloudy days continue for many during saturday, although there were some notable exceptions to the rule. the north—east of scotland has fared quite nicely lately and that was been the way of again, although go too far north and you end up with shower activities. 0ut west, it really was one of those days — a frontal system stalled there with a lot of cloud and rain and the remnants of that are still there as we start the new day on sunday. far less in the way of rainfall across many areas, southern highlands of scotland, the cumbrian fells could see more than theirfair share for a time during the morning, and as the front weakens and the cloud against to break, there will be some sunny spells around, but you get the sense there is an awful lot of cloud
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still to be had across england and wales, the eastern side of scotland. temperatures perhaps a degree or two back on where we have been of late for many, save for the north—western quarter. the football shouldn't be interrupted by the weather at all, although it will get quite breezy as the afternoon goes on into the early evening in the vicinity of anfield. quite a match there, i'm sure. talking of winds, a lot of it as this frontal system comes in across scotland, northern ireland and even a little bit further south. we are expecting significant gusts of wind. they could cause some disruption to your travel plans. certainly come monday morning, we may well find some very wet weather and some windy weather across the south. the last of the mild air is swept away by that frontal system as the week ahead is very much about cold air, plenty of it, and some pretty strong winds as well. it is mild air and wet and windy fare to start off the day across the south—eastern quarter, so watch out for the commute there. then the combination works its way slowly but surely towards the near continent. following immediately on behind it could be some thunderstorms for a time.
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then you will notice a great raft of showers rattling in on a noticeable west to north—westerly wind, the temperatures beginning to fall away, initially across the northern and western parts of the british isles, but come tuesday, more widely across the british isles. it really will feel much colder. and the snow showers becoming ever more prevalent across many of these northern and western areas as those temperatures fall away. into wednesday, not a great deal of change, but what is this? late on wednesday into thursday that low pressure, some very windy weather in the south with some rain on its northern flank, though, it there could well be a significant spell of snow. next week, certainly colder, really quite windy at times as well, and there will be snow in the forecast. welcome to bbc news, broadcasting to viewers in north america and around the globe. my name is andrew plant. our top stories: the us investigates how people in hawaii were mistakenly warned of an imminent ballistic missile attack. after a wave of anti—austerity protests, tunisia's government announces a $70 million package to help the poor. a vow to weed out corruption and rescue the economy — hope in south africa as the head
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