tv Brexitcast BBC News March 30, 2018 10:30am-11:01am BST
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now on bbc news it's time for a special audience edition of brexitcast. hello, it's adam fleming here with chris mason. we are here in the bbc radio theatre, with 300 friends! hello everyone. and the reason we are doing it, it's a year to go until brexit. here we are with the arena spectacular! brexit means exit. the people voted and they have
to get on with that. the process which i can only describe as a dog's exit. hello. and welcome to another edition of the podcast. we are in the bbc radio theatre, and the extraordinary thing, i don't know if you feel the same, as four, meant to be used to going on the telly and the radio, the notion that people are watching and listening, it's quite something else when there are people in front of us, opposed to us imagining that you might be yawning. you are actually here. i have just spotted all our bosses sitting in the balcony! hello. we are being watched on bbc world news, listened to by regular listeners of the podcast and on bbc radio 5 live. i don't know how to sit in these chairs, normally when i am recording
the podcast i am sitting like this. we wa nt the podcast i am sitting like this. we want to involve you guys in the audience a bit, that means audience participation! where isjoey? 0ne audience a bit, that means audience participation! where isjoey? one of oui’ researchers. he participation! where isjoey? one of our researchers. he has been busy with the world's biggest felt tip pen writing i brexit cliches on big pieces of card. i thought every time one of says one of these phrases, he will hold up a card and the audience will hold up a card and the audience will read what it says. do you get the concept? let's do a practice. catty come off when will we have certainty on the transition deal? the thing is adam, despite what michel barnier or david davis says, the thing is... nothing is agreed until everything is agreed! very good. well done. so it's a year to
good. well done. so it's a year to go until brexit day, the 29th of march 2019, shall we speak to someone march 2019, shall we speak to someone in the audience? i think josh as a question. this is where i stand up. come with max the camera man. where is josh? stand up. come with max the camera man. where isjosh? nice yellow shirt. what is your question? the first one, in the first year of the brexit process what was the most significant moment for you as journalists and the second, adam, what is the secret to creating a good binder? we'll be here to christmas. i'll talk you through every single one. the first one. laura. off the top of my head i would say the election, it changed the balance of power in parliament and gave hope to remain as that wasn't necessarily their bad they might be able to slow down or potentially for eight minorities
stop the process because theresa may authority had drained. i actually think the most important moment for me anyway was the mansion house speech which was meant to be the newcastle speech, it ended up in the mansion house speech because of the si'iow. mansion house speech because of the snow. because it was the first time theresa may stood up and said to her party, to the public and the eu, no one is going to get everything they wa nt one is going to get everything they want and! one is going to get everything they want and i know i have to compromise and that's something we talked about and that's something we talked about a lot on the news, every four, there we re a lot on the news, every four, there were going to be compromises and it wasn't until that moment that she confessed to that. it changed something in the political water. we are journalists, we never keep to the rules, there is lots. he symbolically, when the uk's ambassador to the eu delivered the letter in brussels. to donald tusk who represents the 27 eu member states. and that triggered the
formal process of brexit negotiations, the article 50 process. that was a big moment. what happened just now over russia, the salisbury poisoning was a big moment, it shows the eu, how much they want to keep close to the uk after brexit and i think rhetoric aside, negotiations aside, this was aside, negotiations aside, this was a very clear message about what the eu's intent is, it wasn'tjust out of solidarity with the uk, the eu 27 are worried in a wider way about russia, salisbury felt very close to home for them. as we know, they want to make sure there is a close security deal with the uk despite all talk of cherry picking. joey, click... cherry picking. or it sometimes pronounced i are friends
abroad as sherry picking. as a journalist, a key moment for me, i was talking to one of the secrets world contacts and he said to me, i'm actually not going to speak to you on this for you because i don't wa nt you on this for you because i don't want brexit negotiations to happen through you or your colleague laura. and that was really interesting. because the two sides were not talking. they were not communicating. they did not want to communicate through us, if you like. and that is fascinating. yes, were certainly moments where it people were, well, you know, we can't go there, because that could influence negotiations. the two sides — they might not want to admit it — but they obsessively look at what the other is saying, and over the tweets. particularly your binder pictures. can i tell you, instead of my best moment, my worst? a few weeks ago, i'd bumped into michel barnier at a st patrick's day party.
aww. .. here we go. so sweet... he said, where your cameras, where are your cameras? and i said, michel barnier, "i'm here to get drunk." and instantly regretted it. did he buy you a drink? the drinks were all free. where were you? the irish embassy st patrick's day party. that's the — that's the soft power of the irish government. it hasn't affected my reporting. i have had plenty of drinks at the british embassy too. now, chris, i want you to go find henry eaglesfield. where are you? he's down here. i'll go... so slick, isn't it? as an 18—year—old, i was unable to vote in the election or referendum. is it likely that i will have a say on brexit either by election or referendum when we leave the european union? the short answer is, i think i probably not would not rule anything out. it does not feel that way right now
unless something unexpected happens, but i would not rule anything out, because politics has been volatile, but it does not feel that way now. but there is a concerted campaign with some powerful voices who are pushing it. and the eu is very... yes, they'd be... yeah, they would like... they have never hidden the fact that they believe brexit a terrible thing. they don't agree with those in the uk that believe it is a chance for the future. they say over and over again that they think it is a lose—lose agreement. but they think the uk will lose most of all. a bit like animal farm, everybody is a loser, but some lose more than others. that is very much the uk. but i do have to point out that they are realists. so this sort of conspiracy idea that the eu is plotting to have another referendum is not something that you come across. you know, they say, you know, emmanuel macron, "any chance you could change your mind, the door is open." and no, we won't sing abba right now. but they really believe
it is happening and is continuing. and as we go into this next stage of negotiations, you have both sides looking for a fair brexit. we should have a card for that, that is the new one, "fair brexit" or "pragmatic brexit". but of course, both sides, and very much the eu, will look after their side first. and what is your perspective when you talk to your mates about what they say about that sense of not having had a say in this huge decision that has been taken that will have ramifications for a long time, and you guys didn't get a say? a lot of my friends would have voted to remain. and it feels that we don't have a say when we are the youngest generation and we have not had a say, and everyone in my school will grow up not having had a say in what is a really big decision for the country. let's hear from someone just as passionate but on the other side
of the argument. sophiejervis, where are you? go speak to her. i almost ran past her as well! you look like you are proposing. and she's come dressed for the occasion. back to brexit, what is your question? yep, so i think the likes ofjohn major saying we don't have any leverage in decisions, and tony blair sort of holding out for a second referendum actually undermines our position in negotiations. i wondered if you agree. certainly some in cabinet think that. and some people here... so on the day afterjohn major's, i was talking to somebody from cabinet who is gnashing their teeth. and they said "doesn't he get it at any time in that sort of position says something like this, it makes it harder for us?" but i think there is a sense of a group, and there is a campaign and a group of people who are kind
of co—ordinating to — maybe not overturn it, but maybe put the brakes on in a different way. for them, it is a greater cause than their party. it is an interesting thing that we have seen since the referendum, is that politics is split down leave and remain lines. party lines are not what they were. that has made the commons a little unwhippable, to use that ridiculous westminster word that if you aren't a nerd that makes you think "what is that about?" i think it is understandable that people think that, and it is not necessarily remain—tending people this way, or rather, leave—tending people thinking that way either. so we are joined in the radio theatre by a germanjournalist working in london. what is it like reporting all this stuff, and brits being emotional about the eu, for a german audience? surprisingly, our audience is still very, very interested in brexit.
people look at this and wonder what is going on. if you look at what people comment on our report, it is split. a lot of german readers — users — actually think brexit might be a good idea. a good idea for germany orforthe uk? good for germany. there is a lot of euroscepticism in germany. in 2016, there was honest grief that the brits were leaving, but now i think it won't make much of a difference whatjohn major says and what tony blair says when it comes down to negotiations, because now they look at this as a factual thing, and it is the nitty—gritty of rules and autonomy. and now in brussels, you get briefed all the time. as we get into the details about how the customs union works, what that directive is, how the fishing quotas will look — do you get much of that information, orjust the big picture stuff? that is an interesting question. in germany, we have been
going into the nitty—gritty of the european union for20, 30, or40 years. every morning, i get a press review about what is happening in brussels, and it is 35 pages of all the little stuff, fishery, technology, digital, whatever. so germans are pretty much informed about what the european union is, so they don't need to know now, i'm afraid. where is anna carruthers and her amazing nails? is that it with the nails? anna does brexit nail art, and if you are a stranger to that, it is a massive thing, isn't it? huge! it is massive on this broadcast now, thanks to you. what is your question? what are likely to be the main differences, if any, between the border arrangements between northern ireland and gibraltar, and how are the irish and spanish
governments going to approach negotiations differently? i think the honest answer is, we do not know. there is nothing wrong with saying that. because, because... joey... all: nothing is agreed until everything is agreed! but i think they are happening in two different — they are happening in parallel ratherthan being... spain and the uk are talking about gibraltar. speaks in an affected spanish accent: gibraltar! and they are, that is a bilateral, kind of — i don't know that it is technically bilateral, but it is a twin track process with the spanish in the uk trying to work it out. they say it will be fixed and it will be sorted, don't worry, it will not be an issue. of course, it's hanging around as one of the possible damocles' swords that could crash down and cause problems at crunch time. it isn't to be a separate thing. the other process, we have now got the commission in ireland and the uk having their own little triangle or triptych,
i suppose, with their own little talks parallel to the process... which they were not allowed to do until now. it is only now that they are able to do anything. the difference is that i think the eu 26, in this case, and the heads of the eu institutions, are 150% behind the irish government, and they mean it when they say the eu have to be happy with this arrangement. they take the good friday agreement very seriously, and that is a very real concern. for spain, it is kind of more of a national pride issue, and it is seen as such. it is used by the spanish prime minister for domestic reasons, and if you were to use this, and to put into peril an agreement that the eu very much wants, notjust the uk, then you can expect the weight of the 26 to come bearing down on rajoy, i think. but the interesting thing is that we have had a lot of political heat around the irish border question, and yet, up to now,
the gibraltar question, yes, different, has not really forced its way into the discussion. it nearly did, though, didn't it? i think a lot of brexit, it is economic arguments. when it comes to fishing, it is people's livelihoods. of course, i am not belittling that. what i mean is that when it comes to the irish border situation, people remember the troubles. it is about peace. it is about violence. and i think that is what catapults the irish issue into a status of its own. the other thing is, the otherthing is, it's the other thing is, it's a serious point, no one once in any way to be ought to be seen to be the politician that might tip the balance towards going back to a much more dangerous and unhappy time. we are going to get another question. chris, do the leg work. where is
elliott? you have matching hades! hug mehedi! he's already proposed to someone. hug mehedi! he's already proposed to someone. what is your question i have two questions. i am from believing brexit, i've got to give us believing brexit, i've got to give usa believing brexit, i've got to give us a plug, as a mixed—race brexit folder i was deeply disgusted and offended by the leader of the next element. can someone educate vince cable when we voted to leave, it means having more diversity and being open to more inclusive immigration systems. as opposed to what we have now? 0k, and we are only going to give you one question, elliott,
because that was quite a long one, wasn't it? it was an interesting thing. for people who don't remember, vince cable in his spring conference speech made a comment talking about... he was suggesting, and i can't remember the precise quote, but he was suggesting it was white voters over a certain age who chose brexit, because of prejudice. and it was quite interesting because after... vince cable is also the leader of a small political party, who is keen, as all politicians are, to build up their profile — particularly acute for him. i think they did feel, in retrospect, that he was maybe a bit too sharp with some of his language. but i think what you do key into was one of the things that the brexit campaign was full of — lots and lots of different strands. and for a lot of people, it was about immigration. everybody will remember the nigel farage controversial poster that he stood in front of, with that "breaking point" slogan. now i know, like you, elliott, lots of brexiteers in parliament and around the country were really cross with that. they thought that was crossing
a line, and it was not what brexit was about for them. but it's also true that immigration, for lots of people, was a motivating factor. i think what will be interesting to watch now, in the negotiations, is whether immigration is used as a bargaining chip, actually. because amber rudd has been noticeably quiet about immigration figures and about promises to bring down immigration. it's thought very possible that, during the negotiation process, which will continue past a year from now — and that's something we haven't said yet. brexitcast will go on forever. and this is something to point out. but it will be interesting to see, because you have so many eu countries — poland, the czech republic, slovakia, for example, they have a lot of their citizens living in the uk. they have other citizens who want to come to the uk. spain also, is another country, italy another country. so it's possible, it's thought possible, that the government may use some kind of eu immigration
quotas as a bargaining chip. it is out there, anyway. i have to ask you, elliott, picking up on the conversation around vince cable, and those remarks which will have so annoyed some people, and perhaps have appealed to others — how often, when you're in conversation with mates, does the issue of brexit come up, and then how often does it become very divisive? in other words, the kind of thing where leavers and remainers are at each other‘s throats? some of my friends voted to leave, some didn't vote, some voted to remain, and we debate it. i obviously have my point of view, and one thing i try and get across is, like i said, we voted to be more inclusive. so at the moment, we have a migration system which favours people predominantly of one race, from one continent. we voted to be more open, to have more people from more races, from more continents, but for it to favour people not based on their ability, fairness on their skill level, not fairness in terms of their skin
colour, which is what we currently have right now. and if my friends ever do go off, i do always make that point to them, and then they usually agree that i'm right. it is really interesting, though, because i can see a couple of people in the audience really shaking their heads at that. and i think one of the difficult things for the politicians, as they have tried to get this process going, is that people voted for all sorts of different reasons. people who voted to leave voted for all sorts of different motivations, so the politicians have been trying to kind of wrangle with that and grapple with that. theresa may decided on her definition of what people had voted for, which means controls on immigration, leaving the european court, yada, yada, yada. but from a policy point of view, it's so different than "here is a general election, here is our manifesto, we will do these things." there was a yes/no question about a massive diplomatic, political, emotional relationship. and we remember where borisjohnson
and michael gove did look like they were running an election campaign, because they made buses of policies. and they loved it, but they didn't think they were going to win. next question is from stephen hurley. run, run, run! you're young. you'll love this question. stephen, what is your question? as europe's finest cake aficionado, which of the brexit suspects would bake the best cake, and what would it be? that is a great question. give us some names. juncker, may, merkel. .. wasn't angela merkel a chemist? so she would have it all. she'd have all the temperatures really precisely worked out and everything. also, she is called mutti, and muttis bake strudels and things. and also, i think theresa may's cake would have a lot of wheat in it. what was itjust before
christmas about delia smith? she does delia smith goose on christmas day. one of the things that she really likes in interviews, that she does personally. i'm interviewing her tomorrow, and i might ask, shall i? i'll ask her. didn't david davis work for a sugar company? he did, and he has seven teaspoons of sugar in his cup of tea. keep on spooning them in, he said to me once, until they don't dissolve. disgusting. so i don't know. corbyn does jam ? i don't think michel barnier is a very bakey person. he has a piece of steamed fish.
you know what's terrible, the cake shop in the austrian cafe. not a strudel in sight. also, laura, you had a big milestone of your own at the summit. what did i do? you went to kitty's for the first time. not for the first time. you told me it was the first time. this is the irish pub immediately opposite the european commission, and also the bbc bureau. and the story changed, and we had to start working again. we had finished the day at 11:30 brussels time, and then the story about the diplomatic expulsions started to move on, so we ended up working until about 2:00. but we had been for one drink. i had been, but a long time ago. i think that'll do, when i was 18. every good night ends with a party game, doesn't it? so me and chris have got... you know that one when you put a stupid thing in your mouth which means you can't
speak properly? we're going to put these horrible things in our mouth. why would you want to do that in front of anyone else? then we are going to say brexit buzzwords and brexit vips and you have to work out what we are saying. juncker. mutual recognition. well done, who was that? a prize for the audience member right there. very good, take a bow. stefaan de rynck, he's one of michel barnier's team. he listens. david davis? no. wow, that is proper specialist knowledge. right, 0k.
i'm taking this out because i think it's time to say thank you to everyone for being in the audience, and thank you to everyone who was watching as well. this is brexitcast, the arena spectacular. alloa. a lot going on with the weathered through easter weekend. we will see a lot of everything. —— hello. we will see quite a bit of disruption, feeling rather cool and cold at times, temperatures struggling below average, some dry and bright weather at times, especially on easter day. through this afternoon we see outbreaks of rain pushing in from the south across central and southern england and wales. the odd rumble of thunder. the chance of some showery
are bricks of rain, northern ireland and england, southern scotland, wintry over higher ground. some entry showers from the north of scotland, snow over the hills, temperatures a maximum of ten. going through this evening and overnight, the rain coming heavy across england and wales, falling snow over the pennines. some showers for scotland, northern ireland, in the eased, clear spells in the west, we could see some prost. tomorrow low fresher in charge of the weather, the same area of low pressure dominating the weathered today, clearing towards the east, as it takes time to clear, still in there amount of cloud to start tomorrow. patchy breaks of rain, health snow, clearing to the brighter intervals feeding end. still some scattered showers from northern ireland and scotland, there are amounts of cloud, showers from the north—east of scotland falling as note to lower levels,
temperatures lit, chilly and bright start on easter day, some frost to begin with, good sunny spells, turning cloudy from the south—west, wet and windy weather feeding into the south—west. showers with the north west of scotland, someone treat. this area of low pressure coming in from the west, bringing rain, colliding with cold air, could bring disruptive snow. staying as rain in the south, for wales, the midlands, the southern scotland, could be some disruptive snow, uncertainty, looking like there could be accumulations, especially over the hills, try in the north of scotland, some uncertainty in the forecast for snow on easter monday, if you're planning to travel, stay tuned to the forecast. this is bbc news.
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