tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News July 25, 2018 9:00am-11:00am BST
hello, it's wednesday, it's nine o'clock, i'm chloe tilley, welcome to the programme. the search for survivors is continuing in greece, where the fire brigade there say 79 people have died in the wildfire that swept through a resort near the capital athens. we are now here in the seaside village of mati. the priority is trying to work out how many people are missing and emergency services are missing and emergency services are coordinating now, just working out how many people managed to get away. there are many calls fire services are getting and loved ones saying theirfamily services are getting and loved ones saying their family members are still missing. hundreds of thousands of people had their homes burgled last year, but this programme's found that an increasing number aren't getting any justice. he came in, the door was wide open, upstairs he went, and up into the bedrooms and he took the money that was in there and he took my late wife's wedding ring. so what do the police have to say about the lack ofjustice?
we'll be speaking to them and a former burglar just after 10 o'clock. also, used syringes, condoms, kerb crawlers and sex workers, some leeds residents are fed up with the uk's first official red light district. it was introduced four years ago to make it safer for sex workers by allowing kerb crawling at certain times. but it's better like this, though, because at least you know we're all in agreement. but then it's fair because they give you a time and you have to stick to it so if you go over that time then you've got yourself to blame. but it's now said to be failing. we'll be discussing this in about 45 minutes. hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. also, we're going to be talking about children being excluded from school. today, an influential group of mps are warning too many pupils are being pushed out of mainstream
classes in england and abandoned with an inadequate education, likening it to a "wild west" approach. so has your child been excluded from school, what happened to them? and have you been burgled? did you get justice? do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about, use the hashtag victorialive. if you re emailing and are happy for us to contact you, and maybe want to take part in the programme, please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you ll be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today. the tragedy in greece. the prime minister alexis tsipras says it is one of greece's most difficult moments. today, teams of rescuers continue to count the dead and to look for those still listed as missing after the horror of the wildfire that swept through the resort of mati. andrew plant reports. searching among the ashes, rescue teams walking among
the still—smouldering ruins of this seaside resort. so far we have found 30 bodies which were dead, were burned and we have located, we are trying to locate another four which are so far missing. those who managed to escape from here are now returning to homes destroyed by fire. translation: i am a wreck. a lifetime's work, a lifetime of memories go to waste. it's totally heartbreaking, everything is gone. the flames swept through here after dark, burning everything in their path. flames crackle. many tried to flee by car. the road, surrounded by flames, covered by clouds of smoke. this driver escaped. others were killed in their cars, overcome as they tried to leave. seen from above, this coastal
village resembles a warzone, its buildings destroyed, the trees here blackened and burned. sirens and shouting. the country's worst forest fires in more than a decade have left its people in a state of collective shock and national mourning. it could yet turn to anger, with suggestions the fires may have been started deliberately. the survivors here are now looking for answers. andrew plant, bbc news. our correspondent gavin lee is in the seaside village of mati. i'm here in the seaside village of mati. the priority is trying to work out how many people are still missing. emergency services are coordinating, working out how many people managed to get away. there are still many calls the fire and
services are getting, and social media loved ones say their family members are still missing. this was the centre, the hub of mati, com pletely the centre, the hub of mati, completely down to rubble now. what's inexplicable about driving through this place is how some neighbourhoods, hotels, apartments, houses, nothing. completely destroyed. on the other side, you have neighbours weather homes are com pletely have neighbours weather homes are completely untouched. such is the devastation of the path of the fire, if we show you this by the beach side, this building in the distance where you see the charred cliffs over there is where 26 people are reported to have died. locals say people were huddled together knowing that they couldn't get off the cliff edge. those that did came to this beach here. there were 500, 600 people but gathered, it was the main
route of escape. they were there for 6-7 route of escape. they were there for 6—7 hours and some people told me they covered themselves with clothes because the stench was so much. there were people in the water. this coastguard were rescuing people. if we come this way and go a bit further that are still wild fires again this morning. it is one priority as well as the operation to try and coordinate who is still missing. a mayor of one of the seaside town is five kilometres from here says the death toll will rise to about 100. he says he's personally witnessed about 100 bodies being taken from here. if that's the case, it will be the biggest disasterfrom that's the case, it will be the biggest disaster from wildfires in recent history of greece. rebecca jones is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. five men have been charged
in connection with a suspected acid attack on a three—year—old boy in a shop in worcester. the men, aged between 22 and a1, will appear in court later this morning, charged with conspiracy to commit grievous bodily harm. the toddler was discharged from hospital on sunday, a day after suffering serious burns to his face and an arm. too many children in england are being excluded from school according to mp5. a report by the education select committee describes the system as a wild west, with league tables being favoured over pupils. the number of permanent exclusions has increased by more than 40% over the past three years. the government says exclusions should only be used as a last resort. there's a wild west of exclusions out there. it seems to be one law for one, one law for another. the parents don't have rights that they need.
schools have to be accountable. so if a child is excluded from the school they should be partly accountable for the results that child gets in the alternative provision that they go to. another attempt will be made today to break the political deadlock in northern ireland. ministers from london and dublin will meet at the british—irish intergovernmental conference, the first time the forum has been held in 11 years. the power—sharing coalition at stormont collapsed 18 months ago. violence has erupted as millions head to the polls in pakistan, with the worst incident seeing at least 27 people killed by a bomb in the city of quetta. voters are deciding between the parties of the former cricket star imran khan and the disgraced former prime minister nawaz sharif. our correspondent secunder kermani is islamabad. in the context of the election, how
unexpected was the violence? well, there had been... inaudible today, we've seen 27 people killed in an attack in the city of quetta in the western province of balochistan. the same province saw an attack two weeks ago at an election rally where 150 people were killed, one of the worst attacks in pakistan history. levels of violence have steadily decreased over the last two years. five years ago when the last election took place, the situation is better now. the last time, in 2013, a number of political parties weren't able to campaign because they were being targeted by militant groups. what has also overshadowed
this campaign is allegations there is interference behind the scene is to try and oust the party that has beenin to try and oust the party that has been in powerfor the last to try and oust the party that has been in power for the last five yea rs been in power for the last five years and bring in the party of former cricketer turned politician imran khan. the party and the army both deny that. inaudible thank you. dozens of people have been killed in a series of suicide bombings in syria. a market in the south—western city of sweida was among the targets. there were further attacks on outlying villages. according to state media and a war monitoring group. a taped conversation has been broadcast on american television of donald trump and his former lawyer, talking about making a payment to a playboy model.
in the audio, secretly recorded two months before the us election in 2016, mr trump and michael cohen can be heard discussing making a payment to the woman, who said she had an affair with the president. his lawyer says no payment was ever made and that no crime has been committed. the american pop singer demi lovato is being treated in hospital in los angeles following a suspected drug overdose. us media reports say the 25—year—old was found unconscious at her home. in a statement, her agent said she was now awake and surrounded by her family. richard main reports. demi lovato was in the middle of her world tour when she was rushed to hospital last night, after being found unconscious at her home in los angeles. us media reports claim she was given medicine to counteract overdose. she is now believed to be awake and in a stable condition. the former child star is one of the world's
biggest—selling artists, and has spoken openly about her previous drug and alcohol abuse, including in her latest single, sober. # mamma, i'm so sorry i am not sober any more. # and, daddy, please forgive me for the drinks spilt on the floor. fans and celebrities offered messages of support on social media, including ariana grande and lady gaga. talk show host ellen degeneres tweeted. .. lovato has been widely praised for trying to raise awareness, and improve help for those suffering mental illness. her family released a statement thanking everyone for their love, prayers and support. richard main, bbc news. # it wasn't my intention...# a woman who's trying
to divorce her husband of a0 years will find out today if she's won her court battle. tini pro: owens believes that her marriage to hugh owens has broken down, but he disagrees saying they still have a "few years" to enjoy. our legal affairs correspondent clive coleman has more details. divorce requires proof of adultery, desertion, unreasonable behaviour, two years' separation with consent of the parties, or five without. tini owens claims she's been left in a loveless and desperately unhappy marriage with her husband, hugh, which broke down after she'd had an affair. thejudge rejected her claims he'd acted unreasonably in berating her about her infidelity. despite his wife's fling, mr owens wants to stay married as he believes the couple still has a few years of old age together. the court of appeal backed him, ruling in fact that being in a wretchedly unhappy marriage was no grounds for divorce. contested divorces
are incredibly rare. most couples agree that one side will admit they have acted unreasonably in order to get the divorce. many seniorjudges favour a no—fault system where neither party is blamed for the breakdown, but none has dared to change what parliament has decreed. the supreme court will be taking a bold step in doing so. clive coleman, bbc news. the european court ofjustice is expected to issue a ruling in a long running trademark dispute over the chocolate bar, kit kat. manufacturers nestle claim that the shape of the bar is so unique, it should be protected by law. the move is being challenged by rival chocolate makers, cadbury. that's a summary of the latest bbc news, more at 9:30am. thank you, rebecka. do get in touch with us
throughout the morning, use #victorialive and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. let's get some sport. damien johnson is at the bbc sport centre. good morning, damien. we are going to talk about a change to to tackling in rugby union which could turn out to be significant. the height of illegal tackle will be lowered next season in a significant trial for the world of rugby union. there has been concern for quite a long time about safety on this board particularly when it comes to head injuries. this is how things will change specifically. this is the current level of a legal tackle, anything below the top of the shoulders is currently deemed safe. the new safe level is going to be the underside of the armpit, not hugely lower, but significant in terms of protecting the ball carrier in the collision. the aim of all this is to reduce tackles like these — high tackles — which of course can cause all sorts of problems for players,
mainly concussion which is such a big issue in the game. injuries can have a huge effect on the length of player's career — the former wales and lions captain sam warburton retired last week at the age ofjust 29 because of repeated injuries. this new tackling level is going to be trialled in a cup competition in the second—tier of english rugby next season. it will be interesting to see what kind of impact it makes. anyone following the tour de france will know that we have had a few dramatic days but yesterday was certainly one of them. unprecedented, the tour had to be halted while police used pepper spray against protesting farmers and it ended up affecting several riders. first off farmers blocked the road with straw so police sprayed protesters with what appeared to be pepper spray which got into some of the riders' eyes. the crashes started, britain's adam yates missing out on a stage win thanks to this late crash. that was a minor script compare to what happened earlier to philip gilberto.
amazingly he carried on with the race. britain's geraint thomas still leads ahead of chris froome. it's the gruelling 17th stage of the tour de france today. you can follow it on bbc radio just after 2pm. interesting comments today from a top female olympian about the sexualisation of women athletes. sam quek was part of the gold medal winning hockey team from the rio olympics in 2016, and she says that female athletes should be able to look good without being sexualised. in an article for the bbc sport website quek says female sportspeople don't need to strip off to be successful. she talks about her occupation being listed as swimwear model by some newspapers when they were in rio — because she did one shoot before those games. she says women don't have to be labelled sporty or glamorous. when they can be both. that's all the sport for now. greece is observing three days of national mourning
following the deaths of at least 79 people in wildfires. officials fear the death toll could rise to over 100, which would make it the deadliest disaster of its kind in post—war europe. rescuers are today continuing their search of houses, cars and the coastline. let's talk now to lydia gerakaki in athens who was in her family's holiday home in mati when the fire struck. georgia trismpioti who is co—ordinating the red cross response to the fires, and times journalist anthee carassava who is in mati this morning. wiesberger to you yesterday and she is in mati this morning. thank you for joining is in mati this morning. thank you forjoining us. is in mati this morning. thank you for joining us. —— is in mati this morning. thank you forjoining us. —— we spoke to you yesterday. lydia, starting with the awful events that unfolded, you saw the fire on the mountain, is that right? is that when you started taking action? hello, chloe. we
didn't really know where the fire was because the news didn't say anything about it, it said it was far away from us so we saw the fire coming from the mountains and my mum said maybe we should move from the house. we didn't even have time to ta ke house. we didn't even have time to take the keys from the cars and we saw the fire outside our house. it was a horrible moment. we decided to ta ke was a horrible moment. we decided to take the cars and run. we were among the lucky ones that got away quickly. the traffic was huge and people were driving in all directions, no one wonders, we didn't know where to go and we didn't know where to go and we didn't know where the fire was coming from. it was an experience i can't even describe to you. you have sent us some pictures which we are going to show off what you saw and experienced at the time. i can't even begin to imagine how terrifying that must have been, notjust for you and your family but for
everybody in your neighbourhood. was there a real sense of panic at that stage? it was a real panic, of course. we were among the lucky ones. i know people, friends of mine, people we were swimming with every day, that were they are killed, burned, people of my age and younger, a girl was burning alive andjumped younger, a girl was burning alive and jumped from a cliff to survive but she was immediately killed when shejumped but she was immediately killed when she jumped into the sea. it was a hell that was going on. the atmosphere there, we are going there every day now to help in any way we can. the atmosphere is an apocalyptic scene, biblical catastrophe, we really can't describe the scene. have you been back to your home? yes, i went back to my home. thank god the things we have inside are safe, only the garden is destroyed. but this is not
any kind of catastrophe compare to other people being killed or other homes being completely destroyed. mostly primary residences because i have another home in athens, this wasn't my primary residence. lydia, stay with us. i want to bring in georgia from the red cross to try and geta georgia from the red cross to try and get a sense of the operation, not least first of all to search for people. what is the latest on that, georgia? the red cross are continuing the rescue service operations in close collaboration with greek authorities. they are going door to door and car to car trying to find people. so yesterday only our staff registered around 11 cases of missing people. missing people, it is really a big concern
because everybody, but the red cross especially, and it's a very big issue right now because people are suffering, losing contact with their loved ones without knowing what happened to them. where they are and if they are safe. the red cross is trying to alleviate this human suffering. we spoke to you yesterday when you were not in the affected area. we know you have arrived there today. we heard the horrendous experience of lydia a few moments ago. what are people telling you there? i didn't hear you very well but i think you are asking for the local reaction. it is one of complete anger and devastation. they are mad at the authorities here, they blame the government for acting too slow, too snobbery and too bad. there is nothing to console them. in
the course of the rescue operation is nowhere two twin nine—year—old girls that had gone missing. they we re girls that had gone missing. they were rescued from the beach. they came onto the beach, they ran to the beach with their grandparents. they we re beach with their grandparents. they were brought to a safer port. they we re were brought to a safer port. they were seen were brought to a safer port. they were seen by their father disembarking and then they completely vanished. this simply underscored what they are saying, the authorities here are not managing this crisis effectively and well enough and that is creating a lot of anger amongst the people. lydia, are you getting a sense of that as well when you have gone home and spoken to friends and family from mati? about the authorities? yeah. of course, we didn't have
anyone in, we were sleeping inside our house, old people, the children, the parents were away working and they were alone and nobody told us about it, didn't say leave your hands and run. they didn't say anything. we were just there burning alive. will you have friends and family missing, or have you got in touch with everyone, lydia? almost all of my friends are safe because weren't there at the time but my sister's best friend is missing and his whole family is missing. georgia, this is the problem for people, isn't it, that trying to work out where people are. this is the real worry, the number of people who have died is expected to rise. at least this is the estimation of the authorities, that in the next days and hours the death toll will rise. as you know the situation is
evolving. what is very obvious is that these affected people need support in order to recover. this support in order to recover. this support is provided by the red cross people with psychosocial support and activities that are taking place in the affected areas. so what's the priority right now, georgia? what is the red cross doing to support people? first of all, psychosocial support is very, very needed. and, of course, we are providing first aid services, which is very important at the moment. and we are going to provide this until the end of the week. this is our initial programme. and at the same time we
are assessing the health needs of the population, trying to find out and model our response. anthee, give us and model our response. anthee, give usa and model our response. anthee, give us a sense and model our response. anthee, give us a sense of what it is like in mati, the simiyu saw as you arrived and walked around that bilic. mati, the simiyu saw as you arrived and walked around that bilicm mati, the simiyu saw as you arrived and walked around that bilic. it was harrowing, the scenes were disturbing —— the scenes you saw. i have seen nothing like it, i've cove red wars have seen nothing like it, i've covered wars and natural disasters. it was a scene out of an action packed film a war scene of complete devastation. —— walked around that bilic. the people don't want to go back because theyjust don't want to face the next day. what most of these people know is that it will ultimately fall upon them to start this new day and from the ashes of
this new day and from the ashes of this destruction. they have found no help and no support from the authorities. as one of your guests said, there was no alarm, there was no evacuation warning. people here today, the crews clearing out some of these cars that are like chard carcasses around the road, there are rescue crews going as the other volunteers said door to door to locate these missing people. but it isa numbing locate these missing people. but it is a numbing feeling going through this area and it's unimaginable thinking in the year 2018, in an area barely one hour away from athens that these types of tragedies can unfold. people here again are very upset. they know it will
ultimately rest upon themselves to get their lives back to normal again. lydia, do you get the sense at the moment that you're getting support from the local authorities? not from the local authorities. we are getting support from people who are getting support from people who are trying to help, from volunteers who are being there bringing clothes and food and everything to the people. but the local authorities are still not doing much. anthee, do you think the local authorities are able to cope right now? i think we have just lost anthee, which able to cope right now? i think we havejust lost anthee, which is frustrating. georgia, maybe you can respond to that. are you getting a sense that the local authorities are able to cope with what's happening? or is it very much that countries from around europe now need to assist greece? local authorities are really struggling to cope with this
huge disaster. the main priority of the red cross is to make sure that affected people are getting the help that they need. this is our first priority. whatever this need is, first aid services, psychosocial services, or helping them to restore contact with their loved ones. thank you ever so much. georgia trismpioti from the red cross and anthee, who isa from the red cross and anthee, who is a journalist covering the story and from lydia who had a holiday home in the village of mati. we are going to be talking about burglaries after ten o'clock. the detection rate has gone down. we had an anonymous text saying, my mother lives in london and has physical
disabilities and faces repeated forced entries with violence and theft and the met has told her she done that it is too unsafe to stay home and told her to reported any further incidents as hers was listed asa high further incidents as hers was listed as a high risk household. the police closed the case within 2a hours claiming no evidence without any investigation leaving it so high risk she has had to leave her home of 30 years, which by her own admission, has been targeted as perpetrators know the police will not follow it up. this is appalling. reporting increases risk of retaliation for the most vulnerable. share your experiences if you have been burgled this morning using the #victoria live. still to come. the number of children in england being excluded from shcool has risen by more than 40% over the past three years. the uk 5 first official red light district is said to be failing .
residents in leeds are fed up with the drug taking, discarded condoms and kerb crawlers they say they see on a daily basis. time for the latest news, here's rebecca. the greek authorities are looking for dozens of people missing after the deadly wildfires near athens. the local mayor says at least 77 people died in the fires, which have devastated the resort of mati. prime minister alexis tsipras has declared three days of mourning. five men have been charged in connection with a suspected acid attack on a three—year—old boy in a shop in worcester. the men, aged between 22 and a1, will appear in court later this morning charged with conspiracy to commit grievous bodily harm. the toddler was discharged from hospital on sunday, a day after suffering serious burns to his face and an arm. too many children in england are being excluded from school according to mp5. a report by the education
select committee describes the system as a wild west, with league tables being favoured over pupils. the number of permanent exclusions has increased by more than a0 percent over the past three years. the government says exclusions should only be used as a last resort. violence has erupted as millions head to the polls in pakistan, with the worst incident seeing more than 30 people killed by a bomb in the city of quetta. voters are deciding between the parties of the former cricket star imran khan and the disgraced former prime minister nawaz sharif. dozens of people have been killed in a series of suicide bombings in syria. a market in the south—western city of sweida was among the targets. there were further attacks on outlying villages. according to state media and a war monitoring group. another attempt will be made today
to break the political deadlock in northern ireland. ministers from london and dublin will meet at the british—irish intergovernmental conference — the first time the forum has been held in 11 years. the power—sharing coalition at stormont collapsed 18 months ago. the american pop singer demi lovato is being treated in hospital in los angeles following a suspected drug overdose. in a statement, her agent said she was awake and surrounded by her family. us media reports say the 25—year—old was found unconscious at her home. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. here's some sport now with damien. there's a big change to the laws around the height of tackling in rugby union aimed at reducing head injuries. in a trial starting next season, it will be illegal to tackle an opponent above the underside of the armpit. there's still a british one—two at the tour de france. geraint thomas just ahead of chris froome as they head into a gruelling mountain stage later today. the olympic gold medal—winning
hockey player, sam quek, says female athletes should be able to look good without being sexualised. quek says female sportspeople don't need to strip off to be successful. everton have completed the signing of the richarlison from watford. the deal for the brazilian forward, who's only had one season in the premier league, could be worth up to £50 million. that's all the sport for now. there's a been huge rise in the number of children excluded from mainstream education. it's up by a0% in the last three years. but what's behind the rise and what happens to those children? an influential group of mps say today that parents face a "wild west" approach to education provided for pupils who have been exluded from school. they are also concerned about schools removing pupils to boost their position in league tables. let's speak now to emma. her son charlie faced permanent exclusion but managed to turn his education around in alternative provision. rachel owen is the headteacher
at tlg reading where charlie was a pupil. also with us in enver solomon from justice for kids. his organisation provides legal and other support to children and young people. and in our westminster studio is the mp who led this inquiry robert halfon — the conservative chairman of the education select committee. emma, charlie had a positive experience an alternative provision but what was it like him in mainstream school? mainstream school was tough. i knew when he started secondary school it wouldn't be right for him but felt we needed to give it a go. he started, he couldn't cope in the classrooms, he couldn't cope in the classrooms, he couldn't cope in the classrooms, he couldn't cope with the size of the classes, the noise. he kept getting
in trouble. eventually he would be told to leave. then it got to a point where he ended up on a two—hour timetable. he was only allowed in school for two hours. it affected my work, i had to change jobs and increasingly difficult and frustrating for myself, our household and for charlie. he was threatened with permanent exclusion, he wasn't excluded? they told me if ididn'tfind he wasn't excluded? they told me if i didn't find somewhere else he would be excluded permanently and i found tlg how did that change is education? it changed his attitude to education. there were lots of bonds in the road but he managed and i think tlg particularly supported us asa i think tlg particularly supported us as a family, supported myself as a parent and supported charlie as a
pupil. alongside his mainstream school as well. rachel, you were charlie's headteacher. it's quite a small school. yes, we have 12 stu d e nts small school. yes, we have 12 students currently attending from september. charlie was part of a centre of ten. so, the attention charlie and the other kids get is presumably the key to this. charlie and the other kids get is presumably the key to thism charlie and the other kids get is presumably the key to this. it is. we tailor make our curriculum to other young people, we look at their complex needs, what they've experienced in the past and we work with them to get them to achieve so they are dealing with their low self—esteem and boosting them and encouraging them to engage with their learning and with the outside world. i want to bring in robert. we asked for the schools minister to come on for an interview but they gave us this statement from nick
gibb. "the number of children being excluded is lower than ten years ago but exclusion should only be used as a last resort. where pupils are excluded the quality of education they receive should be no different than mainstream settings. we are taking a range of actions to drive up taking a range of actions to drive up the quality and have launched an external review to look at how exclusions are used and why certain groups are disproportionately affected". on your government's watch in the last three years, the number of exclusions is up by a0%. why is that? this is what we've highlighted in our report. it isn't just that ao%, it is also another horrific figure that something like 922 children every day, with special educational needs are either permanently excluded or have fixed exclusions every day in our schools.
there are a number of reasons why we say this has arisen. partly it is a resource issue. often there aren't enough teachers who are trained and schools are excluding pupils because of the exam system and they think it may affect their exam results. sometimes they are excluding children with special educational needs because they think they might get a quick assessment. sometimes they don't even identify the children with the special needs at the beginning because it makes it harder to have permanent exclusions. it isa harder to have permanent exclusions. it is a major social injustice, it shames our country. we are excluding almost two classrooms a day in our school system and in our report we say there must be a lot more training of teachers. there needs to be accountability so schools should be accountability so schools should be accountable in terms of the
results and destinations of the pupils once they leave the mainstream school... lots of people are getting in touch with their experiences this morning and martin has said, what about the disruption these children calls in class disadvantaging the children who want to learn? i realise that send children have needs but the reason they are being excluded is due to they are being excluded is due to the detrimental effect on other children. look at the government and the lack of funding for special educational needs. that's an important point. the parent is right to raise this and we aren't saying there should be no exclusions at all. why is it that scotland only had one permanent exclusion last year? the alternative provision school you've highlighted is clearly doing a remarkable job and there is some great alternative provision out there but its variable, there's not
enough of it and there is a postcode lottery. children are taken off the register in an informal way and then they go to patchy alternative provision. goodness knows what happens to them... i'm interested to get your thoughts on this. you support families of excluded pupils, what are your thoughts on this big rise? our experience for kids, working with parents and pupils that are excluded, is that they are being needlessly punished. exclusion isn't being used as a last resort. we've had cases of a child with an afro hairstyle being excluded because they were told there has style was obstructing the pupils from seeing the whiteboard. can that not be appealed? the whiteboard. can that not be appealed ? that seems
the whiteboard. can that not be appealed? that seems crazy. the whiteboard. can that not be appealed? that seems crazym the whiteboard. can that not be appealed? that seems crazy. it can be but the appeal process is stacked against pupils and parents, because they can't overturn the headteacher‘s decision and automatically get the charles reinstated. the decision is ultimately up to the headteacher. they don't have to agree with the decision of the governors to reinstate. they can say we don't ca re reinstate. they can say we don't care what the governor said, we are still going to exclude. we've had a five—year—old recently who was excluded from a primary school class for disruptive behaviour. this five—year—old was being disruptive because they had special educational needs. it's not in their interest than them from school. they need to remain in the classroom with support for them to stay in school. we know that early exclusion damages a child's life chances. i've got a
daughter in year one and there are challenges with big classes. 30 children plus in a class. if you've got one teacher trying to do the best for all of them, one disruptive child who clearly has special educational needs, it takes an eternity to go through the system for them to get that one—to—one care. what is the school meant to do in the meantime? it shouldn't take an eternity. it does in reality. there are so many complex needs young people have. whatever the need is for that young person, what is the core issue? no child should be excluded, that's our motto at tlg. the reality is, if you've got 30 kids, a child who is disruptive, what can they do? if they haven't got teaching assistants or whatever?
we know about the funding crisis. what should they do? working with families, having that collaborative working together. one thing we do at tlg nationally is work with the families. we work with everybody, all the local authorities, different stakeholders. we make sure we are talking openly about that young person. families need to be pulled in and given the power as well to have their voice. sometimes i think the four families, they struggle to have that voice because they don't understand the system, they don't understand the system, they don't understand some of the lingo in some of the paperwork. to have advocates who will fight for them and speak up for those families and children. what do you think would have happened if charlie had been sent back to mainstream school? there was a concern his funding might be
removed and that was a real possibility. honestly? i'm sure he would have been at home for the last yearin would have been at home for the last year in bed on his playstation. that's probably what would have happened. he would never have coped going back to mainstream school and i think some kids, mainstream doesn't work for them. martin has got in touch saying "if children refused to behave they should be excluded. disruptive children disrupt the class and deny the other children their right to an education. it's about time the pa rents education. it's about time the parents accept responsibility for children who can't behave. we are too soft and these children just as we are too soft on those who commit crime". the problem is, a lot of cases we deal with, the pupils and disruptive. there was a case of a boy who had
been to cadets the matter before, he had his penknife in his bag and he went to school and he was excluded, that's not unruly behaviour, that is unfairand that's not unruly behaviour, that is unfair and needless punishment. we need to insure that children are respected unfairly treated and that their right to remain in mainstream education is absolutely clear and upheld. exclusions should only ever be used as an absolute last resort. it's not happening at the moment. we need that early intervention to make sure we are getting in early and really supporting those young people. i think to save the unruly child, what you need to look at is the core context. some of the young people we are working with have such traumatic backgrounds and you have parents trying to deal with trauma, young people trying to deal with that trauma and at the age they are dealing with you have got to really know that young person. dealing with you have got to really know that young personlj dealing with you have got to really know that young person. i want to get a final thought from you, biggest teaching union say in the last two years schools have lost
15,000 teachers and teaching assistants, the result of a 2.8 billion real terms cut. the reality is schools are struggling to cope with a lack of funding, parents are so often being asked to put their hand in the pocket to contribute so the school can keep running. no school wants to excluded people if they don't have too. as i said to you i don't duck away from the resources issue and we are arguing for more money, arguing in the committee for a 10—year plan for educationjust as the committee for a 10—year plan for education just as the nhs does. committee for a 10—year plan for educationjust as the nhs does. but there are schools that don't exclude pupils. the stories that have been highlighted today, why are some schools not excluding that many pupils and doing well under the same resources? we are saying there should be a bill of rights for parents. i was told of the constituent, my constituent told me the independent panel had said her kid should go back to the school but the headteacher had refused to have
that child back in the school. so we wa nt that child back in the school. so we want advocates for parents and the pupils who have these difficulties. we want local councils to have virtual heads that look after alternative provision properly and look at exclusions, their sole focus is to look at exclusions, and we wa nt is to look at exclusions, and we want schools to publicise the amount of exclusions they had, as well as putting resources into training and making sure schools buddy up with alternative provision schools. thank you all forjoining us this morning. very grateful to all of you. hundreds of thousands of people had their homes burgled last year but this programme found an increasing numberare this programme found an increasing number are not getting anyjustice. we will speak to police about why conviction rates are below 10% and speak to a former burglar and two people who have seen their homes recently burgled. do get in touch with your experiences — all the ways to contact us are on your screen now. used syringes, condoms, kerb crawlers and prostitutes
on the street during the school run. those are some of the issues that residents say they experience on a daily basis in the uk's first official red light district. the scheme, which was introduced in 201a, aimed to control the sex trade in leeds and make it safer for sex workers by allowing kerb crawling between the hours of 8pm and 6am. in 2016 we visited leeds to speak to some of those working inside the controlled zone. it's a busy night in holbeck. cars continue to circle free from police interference. we did try and speak to some of the men picking up women but no one would talk. hi, chelsea. i made my money. well done. how are you doing? have you got everything you need? do you need any more condoms or anything? yeah. no, i've got loads of condoms, thank you. fab. so, that's your night finished? yeah, it is. yeah. how did you do? me? i do excellent, love, every night.
how much money did you make tonight? 150. £150? and you've been gone, what, an hour or something? yeah, it doesn't take me long to make money, love. so, can i ask how many men you met this evening? three. in an hour? yeah. so do you play by the rules of the managed area? i do, yeah, but a car actuallyjust dropped me off down there so i've had to walk this way. and that's not allowed, is it? no, but he wouldn't... he dropped me out there because he said he had to go straight out back into town. you're meant to be discreet. yeah. you can't do it somewhere like that. and what would you do if they got rid of it as a result? it'd just go back to the same place, the same thing, back to home office cautions and back to being locked up and there wouldn't be a lot of girls out as there would be because you don't really want prostitution on your record, do you? but it's better like this because then at least you know
we're all in agreement. it's fair because they're giving you a time and you have stick to it. so if you go over that time you've only got yourself to blame. come back, baby! he can see me. he can hear me. and that's what you do every night? you make your money and then you score? yeah. but i do put some away for my daughter, though. how would you feel if one day she told you, "mum, i'm working the street"? honest opinion, it would kill me. so, it's 7am and the time when the managed area closes for the evening and you can see, there's quite a lot of litter. there's empty coke cans and beer cans, condom wrappers. you can tell people are arriving here now back to work in the morning and it's not really the environment
they want to come back to work to. you can see why a lot of people who work around here aren't too happy about this. it's a difficult balance. women like chelsea would still be on the streets still be on these streets with or without the new system. but the impact some feel the managed approach has had on this area's reputation may force its closure. protection or prosecution. it's a choice leeds is still grappling with. but four years after that scheme began, those living near the area and even the councillor who came up with the idea say the scheme is failing. let's talk now to claire bentley—smith, who lives a mile from the zone and is fighting for the council to get rid of it. and to gemma who is chief executive of the organistion basis, which supports workers in the area.
claire, you live about a mile from the official red light zone. give us a sense of how it impacts on your life. we have had sex workers bringing their customers onto the streets where we live, throwing condoms and needles into the primary school grounds where my son attends school. we see drug dealing and sex a cts school. we see drug dealing and sex acts going on in most green spaces around the area. whilst we sympathise with the plight of the prostituted women trapped in the sex slavery of the zone we cannot see that as a justification for the suffering it is putting upon our community. have you got an idea of why this is happening outside the zone? in principle, you think of the idea and you think overnight between 8pm and 6am, in a certain zone, why has your area been affected? have
you got to the bottom of it? has your area been affected? have you got to the bottom of me has your area been affected? have you got to the bottom of it? if you say something illegal elsewhere in the country is suddenly allowed to happen in the area, business is booming, men are coming from all over yorkshire and beyond to use the services of the women here. there simply isn't enough space in the geographical zone for them to carry on their business. it is safer for the women to come onto residential streets because when they scream for help and we are there to hear them and phoned the police. women are being attacked and potential abductions and run over, even though the zone is in place. wejust feel that it has been allowed to flourish across the area even though their women are supposed to be made safer because they are allowed to do it there. gemma, what are those women telling you about how that safe environment is working for them? the findings we have got, we have spoken to the majority of our street sex workers and 71% of them say they
feel safer. there is various comments like we have a better relationship with the police and feel safer now. there is a dedicated police liaison officer that will work directly with the women and she is fantastic and offers them a lot of support. some women say it is yes and no. one of the things they raised was that they feel it is a problem with their residents and so even the women acknowledged it is not perfect. but it is a lot better thanit not perfect. but it is a lot better than it was. the information that we have through our national reporting was that we were the worst in the uk in leeds in 2013 and it was 7%, 93% of crimes were not reported to the police by the women. we are at a place now where 50% of them are and we are the best in the uk so we know we are the best in the uk so we know we have made some good progress. but, gemma, that is small comfort to the likes of clare and residents living close by whose kids are going to school and finding used condom is
and needles in their playground. speak to clare. what do you say to her? i work with clare, i sat with her? i work with clare, i sat with her yesterday morning, with partners and other residents and we work proactively with the community. we are not in opposition and that is what we have agreed. we are all there for health and safety, both of there for health and safety, both of the residents and sex workers. i've got to take us back to 2012. between 2009-2014 nine got to take us back to 2012. between 2009—2014 nine sex workers were murdered in leeds, crime was horrendous, rape and sexual violence has increased nationally but not for the women we work with because of the women we work with because of the protection they have got from the protection they have got from the police now. this is a partnership approach, not just what charities can do, also the police and local authorities and what they can do. clare, what needs to happen to change? it seems to be that the welfare of a small cohort of vulnerable sex slaves in our area are being put above the safety of the community. we need a policy
change so that the women can be helped to exit this exploitative industry and the arrogance of the sexual predators to come and pay for their services in our area need to be reined in because they do not listen to be agreed times and the agreed zone. the problem is, clare, you're never going to end prostitution and sex work, you? it is the oldest trade in this country so even if you help some of those women out there will be other women who move in. is the answer to close the zone, moving the zone? child labour and hunting has been outlawed in england because we deemed it old—fashioned in england because we deemed it old —fashioned and cruel. in england because we deemed it old—fashioned and cruel. and for women to be bought and sold on the streets of our city in 2018 is appalling. these women are trapped in an incredibly exploitative industry. they are trafficked and abused and drugged. they should not be bought and sold on the streets of our country in 2018. something needs to be done about it and our community is being put at risk while everybody looks in at the fishbowl
to try and figure out what do about it. gemma, is the answer to try and enter sex work? i think it is what it means practically, and as we all know, and as you have said, it is as old as the hills. what we do know, and leeds has a long history of trying to deal with street —based sex work, were 200 prostitutes on the street, as they were called by safer leeds, by the police at that point in time and we don't see that many now, we're down to between 70-100. many now, we're down to between 70—100. there has been a shift to less street sex work but it's what we do practically. what we have done, what leeds did in the past was target women as offenders and also targeted men so the buyers of sex cup crawlers, their whyte curb crawler programmes in 98 and 2007, neither of which worked and decreased the risk to women. —— there were two curb crawler programmes. clare pointed out what support is in place for winning and
that's been very slow progress with making sure services are accessible for a women, who are some of the most complex gemma, thank you and to clare, for speaking to us this morning. safer leeds said in a statement they change the operational hours of the managed approach, established a dedicated policing team and increased local environmental budgets to support the local community and businesses. they say their knowledge there is a lot more that needs to be done. they say "work undertaken as part of the managed approach is under continuous review" and "further steps could be taken and further options considered as appropriate." let's get the latest weather update, with alina. continuing to get hot, or are we getting some respite? not yet but fresher for the weekend. in getting some respite? not yet but fresherfor the weekend. in parts getting some respite? not yet but fresher for the weekend. in parts of the uk it looks more like the mediterranean. this is on the isle of wightjust mediterranean. this is on the isle of wight just a few hours mediterranean. this is on the isle of wightjust a few hours ago. we
have blue skies for a large swathe of the country but also median and high level clouds turning the sunshine hazy but for most it is largely dry until friday and perhaps the weekend as the system pushes eastwards. ahead of it some heat but we will see rain and thunderstorms but not today. for most it is largely dry with a good deal of sunshine, hazy at times. the far north—west of scotland, some showery rain easing off, you could catch an isolated shower almost anywhere but for most it is derived. the orange and red colours show the extent and the heat and warmth across the country. 22 degrees in scotland, 28 celsius in wales and south—west england up to 31 or 32 in south—east england up to 31 or 32 in south—east england and east anglia. there is a chance of one or two showers overnight for southern and central england. we will build medium and hide of a cloud here, late in the night more cloud for the west and northern ireland. temperatures easily in double figures and in some places further south much done not
much lower than 16. dry again, plenty of sunshine, the one exception is the west of northern ireland, more cloud and outbreaks of rain by the end of the afternoon and the winds will strengthen. noticeable breeze across a large swathe of the country but quite windy for northern ireland and western scotland late in the day. temperatures 32—3a in east anglia and south—east england, some places 35, the warmest day of the year so far tomorrow. on friday the system is finally start making across the country bringing outbreaks of rain into western scotland, northern ireland, down into parts of wales, south—west england. ahead of it we still have the heat and warmth likely to trigger thunderstorms. it could bring lots of rain in a short time. it is a chance rather than a promise of rain and not everyone will see them and ahead of it some high temperatures for east anglia and south—east england. that rain continues tracking eastwards through friday evening becoming heavy and persistent across parts of scotland
and northern england for a time and and northern england for a time and a chance of thunderstorms. further south, though, it is eamon muggy and humid start to the weekend but not for long because as all of the showers and rain clear eastwards into the north sea we start to see something much fresher, notice the dip in temperatures, some sunshine but also showery rain particularly the further west you are. hello, it's wednesday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm chloe tilley. the search for survivors in greece continues as officials say they fear the death toll could rise to more then 100. the fire brigade has already confirmed that the deadly wildfire, which swept through a resort near the capital athens, has killed 79 people. they saw a girl my age and younger, she was burning alive and had to jump she was burning alive and had to jump from she was burning alive and had to jumpfrom a she was burning alive and had to jump from a cliff but was immediately killed when she jumped into the sea. it was a hell that was going on. if you're burgled, you're
unlikely to get justice. of all burglaries reported to police, only 6% result in someone facing charges, and that number has fallen over the past three years he came in, the door was wide open, upstairs he went, and up and he took my late wife's wedding ring. we'll be speaking to a former burglar and the police in the next few minutes. singer demi lovato is reportedly in hospital in la after a suspected drug overdose. the 25—year—old, who has been open about her struggles with alcohol and drug addiction in the past, is awake and surrounded by herfamily. we'll speak to a fan who's met the singer many times in the next hour. good morning, it's 10 o'clock. here's rebecca is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the days news. the greek authorities are looking for dozens of people
missing after the deadly wildfires near athens. the local mayor says at least 77 people died in the fires, which have devastated the resort of mati. the prime minister alexis tsipras has declared three days of mourning. our correspondent gavin lee is in mati. coming right to the coast of rafina here in mati, you really get a sense looking across the coastline of the scorched pine trees. they are incredibly damaged. they're in the distance is where most people are reported to have died. 26 people we re are reported to have died. 26 people were found huddled together because they couldn't make it to the sea. if we walk through and see some of the damage, this full example was the cavos restaurant. this was the main
hub of the town of mati. it's com pletely hub of the town of mati. it's completely destroyed. the police are here, they are trying to set up a coordination centre. greek media are reporting that a0—100 people are still missing. in the waters there are still search and rescue boats, teams trying to work out where loved ones are and there are still people in the towns as well trying to ask and find out where people are. there isa and find out where people are. there is a hotel close by where those who have lost their homes, we are told more than 1000 people, have gone in need of water, clothing and help, and those who were lucky enough whose homes have survived have been helping through the night. five men have been charged in connection with a suspected acid attack on a three—year—old boy in a shop in worcester. the men, aged between 22 and a1, will appear in court later this morning, charged with conspiracy to commit grievous bodily harm. the toddler was discharged from hospital on sunday, a day after suffering serious burns to his face and an arm.
too many children in england are being excluded from school according to mp5. a report by the education select committee describes the system as a wild west, with league tables being favoured over pupils. the number of permanent exclusions has increased by more than a0% over the past three years. the government says exclusions should only be used as a last resort. the highest number of people have died in police custody for a decade. 23 people died in or following police custody in 2017/18, according to the independent office for police conduct. that's an increase of nine from the previous year. violence has erupted as millions head to the polls in pakistan, with the worst incident seeing more than 30 people killed by a bomb in the city of quetta. voters are deciding
between the parties of the former cricket star imran khan and the disgraced former prime minister nawaz sharif. in the last few minutes, we've just heard that a woman who's trying to divorce her husband of a0 years has lost her legal battle. tini owens believes that her marriage to hugh owens has broken down, but he disagrees saying they still have a "few years" to enjoy. we'll be speaking to our legal correspondent, clive coleman in the next half hour. another attempt will be made today to break the political deadlock in northern ireland. ministers from london and dublin will meet at the british—irish intergovernmental conference, the first time the forum has been held in 11 years. the power—sharing coalition at stormont collapsed 18 months ago. the american pop singer, demi lovato, is being treated in hospital in los angeles following a suspected drug overdose. in a statement, her agent said she was awake and surrounded by her family. us media reports say the 25—year—old was found unconscious at her home.
that's a summary of the latest bbc news, more at 10.30. trail ahead script + contact here. do get in touch with us throughout the morning, use the hashtag #victorialive. so many of you are getting in touch about the exclusions story. one message says "i'm a training primary teacher and voluntary assistant, if i wasn't there it would be com pletely i wasn't there it would be completely impossible for the teacher to provide assistance to the ten children with learning issues. there are disruptive children but i'd seen a huge difference in the children and they been given that support. schools need more funding for full—time assistants, too support. schools need more funding forfull—time assistants, too many children are not getting the support they need. parents need to do more and not just leave they need. parents need to do more and notjust leave their education to the school". a text says "my
wife's school the exclusions are because of violent behaviour. my wife was kicked really badly recently". another one says "mike autistic grandson was excluded after no special allowance was made". and another viewer says "why is no one mentioning the disastrous parenting leading to a generation of children who don't understand rules?" if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme, please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you ll be charged at the standard network rate. let's get some sport now. damien johnson is at the bbc sport centre. there's a big change coming surrounding the laws on tackling in rugby union. a new scheme is being trialled next season designed to make the sport safer. our rugby union reporter chris jones joins me now.
an interesting development, what's going to change? this is a change to one of the most important laws in by one of the most important laws in rugby union in involving the high tackle. as it stands, the line of the shoulders is where you are allowed to tackle. anything lower is 0k allowed to tackle. anything lower is ok but anything above is a high tackle. under this new trial coming injust for the rfu tackle. under this new trial coming in just for the rfu championship cup, the second tier domestic cup competition, it will say anything under the armpit is now the line of the tackle. this kind of trial has taken place on the world gail this summer but it's the first of its kind in the uk —— world scale. summer but it's the first of its kind in the uk -- world scale. why the change now? rugby union is that something of a tipping point when it comes to safety and the dangers of the game. in march there was a big
rfu injury report which showed injuries on the rise, severity of injury is on the rise, concussion is on the rise. it's the most reported industry for the sixth consecutive season. 22% of all injuries are concussion. what the powers that be are trying to do is change the culture around tackling. get it lower and hopefully safer. fewer head—on head and head and shoulder contact and hopefully that will lead to fewer injuries. is there also a feeling this might improve the game asa feeling this might improve the game as a spectacle? that could be a positive repercussion. in the short term there is going to be a bit of painfor term there is going to be a bit of pain for some long—term game. players, coaches and referees are going to have to adapt quickly. this is only for the rfu championship cup. the championship league as a whole is still being played with the
traditional laws. there will be a real bedding in period, it's going to ta ke real bedding in period, it's going to take some getting used to. given the sensitivities around dangers in by the sensitivities around dangers in rugby union something like this is worth trialling. thank you. that's all the sport for now. in the last few minutes, the supreme court has ruled that a woman, tini owens, can't divorce her husband of more than a0 years. remind us about this case as well as the ruling. tini owens was married to her husband in 1978, this is a a0—year marriage. she originally petitioned for divorce arguing that his behaviour towards her was such that she couldn't reasonably be expected to continue to live with him. under our divorce law, you have
to prove the marriage has broken down irretrievably but you have to rely on one of five particular fa cts . rely on one of five particular facts. the one she relied on was that his behaviour towards her was so unreasonable that she shouldn't be reasonably expected to continue to live with him. it was that particular ground that was under the microscope. she argued his behaviour was argumentative, he was moody, he had been disparaging towards her in front of other people. she cited 27 insta nces front of other people. she cited 27 instances of this bad behaviour. the original trial judge instances of this bad behaviour. the original trialjudge who looked at it found that those reasons, and the only reason he did look at it is that exceptionally rarely, mr owens decided he would dispute, he would fight the divorce petition. most people take the view if your wife or husband wants a divorce you simply
agree to it. mr owens felt there was still some "good years of marriage left" so he disputed it. the original trial judge found her allegations were flimsy and she hadn't met the test that it was an unreasonable expectation for her to go back and live with him. he dismissed the petition. she went to the court of appeal and lost, and today it's come before the supreme court. with great reluctance they have dismissed her appeal and in effect have invited parliament to look at this law which keeps people within a marriage when one of them really, really doesn't want to be there. it's invited parliament to have a look at this law which has given what you feel the judge's felt was an unsatisfactory result. tini owens has to continue in the marriage until 2015 when five years of separation have elapsed and that's another ground she can rely
on. this is once again seniorjudges urging parliament to look at this law which keeps people yoked together in a marriage that one of them simply doesn't want to be in. legal correspondent clive coleman speaking to us from outside the supreme court. hundreds of thousands of people were burgled last year but figures gathered by this programme revealed that increasing numbers of them are not getting justice. we asked every police force in england and wales how many crime reports had been raised for burglary each year between 201a and 2017 and how many of them had then resulted in a court appearance or summons for an alleged perpetrator. 29 police forces got back to us and although the number of crime reports increased by 6%, the number of arrests or summons fell by 33%. our reporter chris hemmings has been looking into the issue. hi. chris. colin bennett lives in streetly in the west midlands.
he's one of hundreds of thousands of people in england and wales who were the victims of a burglary last year. but figures seen by this programme show he's also one of an increasing number of victims who aren't getting justice. this yobbo came to the door and i'd got the door open. he says, "i've got to see if there's any sand in your water." i says, "where's your pass?" he says, "in my pocket." so i didn't challenge him and ask him to get it out. i opened the door, let him in, and he was running the hot water. then he had another yobbo somewhere around the corner. he came in, the door wide open, upstairs he went and up into the bedrooms. and he took the money that was in there. and he took my late wife's wedding ring. and then all of a sudden he must have come and out he went and this other bloke says, "well, that's it, we've
finished now." as well as the ring colin discovered they'd stolen £3200 and lots of other jewellery. 57 years before i'd put it on her finger and the intentions were that and the engagement ring would go to my two granddaughters. i've lost the ring. i'll never get it back and these scumbags never appear either. west midlands police have said they put out an appeal in colin's case but no arrests have been made and no items have ever been recovered. he came back to me and he says, "i can't find them," he says. he says, "nor we won't." when people are cutting services do you think that they think about people like you and the effect it has on you as an individual? it made me feel very, very bitter. their hands are tied, do you know what i mean? what do you put it down to? a lack of resources. it's no good closing police stations
down and that's what they're doing. just down the road there they have closed the police station there, they've closed the big one in sutton. where do we get our police from now? we asked every police force in england and wales how many crime reports had been raised for burglary between 201a and 2017, and subsequently how many of those crimes have resulted in a charge or a summons for an alleged perpetrator. figures from the 28 forces who responded in full showed that in 201a there were about 308,000 crime reports for all types of burglary, with 33,000 charges or summons. and while the crime report number stayed relatively flat, each year the number of charges or summons dropped, down tojust 22,000 in 2017. that's a drop from 10.8% of reports leading to a charge or summons in 201a, to just 6.9% in 2017. and according to figures from the ministry ofjustice the number of convictions for household
burglary has also declined in england and wales over that same period. so, while the national average is about 6.9% of reports leading to a charge or summons, west midlands police only achieved 5.8%. david jamieson is the region's police and crime commissioner. and i showed him some of what colin had told me. i think that's terrible and that's a very typical reaction to somebody who is deeply and profoundly upset by a burglary, which is one of the most intrusive things that can happen in somebody's life. that's absolutely awful. between 2010 and 2017 there was about a 20% cut in real terms police funding in england and wales which has led to about 20,000 fewer officers. are those sorts of figures directly impacting people like colin and those who are the victims of crime? i'm afraid it has had an impact that we have lost in this force alone 2,000 offices and nationally that figure is much greater.
the budgets, i suspect, in the future may decline further which will create more problems. we are trying make ourselves more efficient and get more out of our police officers and we are doing that very successfully. and i think the government need to look at that and say, what are their priorities? are the priorities keeping people safe? that's where they've got to provide the proper funding. we will do everything we possibly can to stop things like that happening. but in the end the chief constable has a limited number of people and there is a limit to what he can do and solve. at 5.a% of reports becoming charges or summons hampshire police were the fifth worst performers. they told us they became concerned about their performance in solving these offences and launched a new strategy to improve efforts last year. lincolnshire police didn't respond to us. they were at a.9%. west yorkshire at a.8% told us they treat the crime very seriously and dealing with it is one of their top priorities. bedfordshire at 3.7% also didn't respond. and merseyside police,
who in 2017, only charged or summonsed 3.a% of reports told us that in march this year they launched a major operation aimed at tackling the issue and to reinforce burglary as a main priority for the force, and, they say, they have had considerable success. merseyside police told us they are asking the public to be more vigilant and say the vast majority of burglaries are preve nta ble. it's a sentiment echoed by the majority of forces we spoke to. so, do cuts to policing mean we all now have to take more responsibility for protecting ourselves? the minister of state for police and the fire service is nick hurd and he's told us that the government recognises the impact crime can have on its victims and says he wants offenders charged and brought to justice in the courts. he also says the home secretary has already indicated that police resources will be a priority for the home office at the next spending review. let's talk now to bob turney, a former burglar
now probation officer. alsojoining us is deputy chief constable amanda blakeman who is the national police chiefs council's lead on burglary and serious acquisitive crime and matthew barter had over £20,000 worth of goods stolen from his house but the police never followed up their case. you had a traumatic experience when your house was burgled, tell is what happened? we were on holiday and we we re happened? we were on holiday and we were informed by our neighbour that a window was smashed and we drove straight back and we were told by the police obviously not all into the police obviously not all into the house, wait on forensics, but that went on for possibly over a day and we have to stay at a relation's house and they said we would make the house safe for you and board it up the house safe for you and board it up etc, change your locks, which they did very well except they left they did very well except they left the front door open. and then the next day we went in there and i've
never seen next day we went in there and i've never seen anything like it. just describe it was like inside. every picture was taken off the wall, the bed was overturned, they even sat on our bed and thumbed through some personal photographs. every draw was taken. it was a complete mess, no ca re taken. it was a complete mess, no care was taken as they were searching. —— every drawer. my wife was in tears because her mother's drury was stolen, along with our memories as well. did it feel like your home anymore? not at all, we contemplated moving. now it's very secure “— contemplated moving. now it's very secure —— her mother'sjewellery contemplated moving. now it's very secure —— her mother's jewellery was stolen. we had the blame game of code you have done this, we should have done that before you left. it didn't feel our home for a long time. is only because the house is alarmed and we have very good
neighbours and family local that we rebuilt and made it our home again. i want to introduce you to bob who is here with me in the studio. bob, i know that you used to burgle homes and now you are a probation officer. i guess for burglars it is a quick way to grab stuff but as demonstrated by matthew selt eloquently, it's a really personal crime, burglary, isn't it? indeed it is, it is an awful crime, you have your very existence violated, summary your very existence violated, summary has your very existence violated, summary has come your very existence violated, summary has come in and taken the stuff. paula matthew and his wife, i have worked with victims of crime for years on this one. there was a guy i for years on this one. there was a guy i worked with whose mother's jewellery was stolen 20 years previous. the whole 20 years he was trawling second— hand jewellery shops hoping to find it and that wasn't being addressed. we have got to be more victim focused when dealing with burglary, you know? it is all very well, the police have cutbacks
and things like that, i understand that, but it seems to drop to the bottom of the list. when you talk to people who commit burglary now, are they people who are planning this or is it genuinely dummett generally opportunists? normally opportunists. i cannot make any excuses for my behaviour, i will not —— or is it generally opportunists. i was a typical offender, i ticked all the boxes, dysfunctional family, poor education, drink and drugs and that was it. i've been doing a lot of restorative conferences with the perpetrator and the victim getting together. i will never forget this victim asked the burglar, why did you break into my house? he said, would it simply was, i was walking down the road and your gate was undone. you could see that easing the victim in some way because they didn't think they were targeted, it was the simple fact they left the gate open. bad luck? yeah, bad luck. i want to bring in amanda blakeman
ifi i want to bring in amanda blakeman if i can. over the period of time that we have looked at with these figures there has been a 20% drop in police funding, that's 20,000 fewer officers. is this a case that police don't have the money to do everything and so burglary is being forgotten, it is at the bottom of the list? no, not at all. first off i'd like to recognise the impact in both of the stories of the victims that you have covered. very, very traumatic experiences. the impact for them traumatic experiences. the impact forthem in traumatic experiences. the impact for them in losing personal property and memories can't be put aside. we recognise this in terms of policing and we try and make sure we do prioritise burglary. what we do know is the offenders who commit these offe nces is the offenders who commit these offences are small in their number and they are prolific and take the opportunity to target premises where
there is a vulnerability. so we do have offenders who commit a large numberof have offenders who commit a large number of offences and we might only charge them with one offence, they can be convicted and go to prison for that, but we know they have committed a number of other offences. what we used to do was concentrate on those large—scale amount of offending they had committed. although that would bring no extra custodial sentence to them. now we prioritise our resources to be able to concentrate on the evidence that we have and the ability to be able to conflict that offender of the offence that we know that we have the forensic and the witness evidence in relation to. matthew, is that a crumb of comfort to you? not really. i remember when the forensic scientist was doing the fingerprints, said, obviously they we re very fingerprints, said, obviously they were very professional and had gloves on, and her words were something along the lines of, "if people commit murder they are more likely to get caught than what they
have done to your house." which obviously didn't sit very well with me. over the last two and a bit yea rs we have me. over the last two and a bit years we have had no comeback from the police, nobody has contacted us, we don't know if anybody has been brought tojustice. we don't know if anybody has been brought to justice. i want to read this comment to you which has come into us, decc blakeman. you were saying you try and prioritise burglary. this is an anonymous text from a police officer. as a police officer i know police are disbanding burglary units in favour of other units that have greater media appeal. victims of most burglaries are genuine, honest, hard—working people who accept what the police do is write. in reality they get a poor service as it is considered they won't complain. burglary investigations, if there is no forensics, blood etc, consists of a bit of a house—to—house and cctv, then the case is closed. pressure to close the on the officer as the
workload is too high. how do you respond to that? well, you know, it is absolutely evident we are seeing an increase in demand and you have cove red an increase in demand and you have covered the fact we have seen an increase in resources —— decreasing resources. it doesn't mean we don't prioritise offences like burglary. in my force particularly it is a priority and we visit each victim of residential burglary dwelling and we ensure that scenes of crime officers attend in order to be able to capture the evidence. obviously your text is anonymous from a police officer. but what i would say is that, certainly in my force we are closing down units to identify ones that are of more of a media appeal, we are very much focused to what matters on our communities and focused on trying to ensure that we fulfil our priorities in terms keeping people safe. you know. we have seen a degreasing the matter burglaries over the last 30 years. we have worked hard with industry around allowing people the
opportunity to be able to secure their premises. we work hard with forensics marking in relation to premises and work hard to try and identify the avenues that offenders use, these prolific offenders, and these organised criminal groups used to dispose of property. can i put another message to you which we have had come into us. we experienced a burglary while we were in our own home. it was a terrifying experience. when we realised somebody had crept into our home and we re somebody had crept into our home and were upstairs my husband charged u psta i rs to were upstairs my husband charged upstairs to confront the intruder while i dialled 999. terrifying. the burglar escaped from an upstairs window sliding down a roof extension, the police didn't attend even though the burglary was in the vicinity. 12 hours later the police took a statement and the incident was closed as there were no further leads. my husband is a retired police officer after 30 years and was disappointed with the overall quality of service. are their right to be disappointed with that? from what you've just said, if i was
a victim i would be disappointed if i had rung 999 and confronted an intruder. i can't comment on the individual case. if you ring 909 and you're in an emergency situation there is an expectation we will respond to that —— 999. there is an expectation we will respond to that -- 999. thank you. still to come. why are more people enjoying the good weather outside — but failing to deal with their rubbish? we'll be speaking to keep britain tiday, who say there's been a 20% rise in people contacting them about litter as a result of the hot weather. singer demi lovato is in hospital in la after a suspected drug overdose. the 25—year—old has been open about her struggles with alcohol and drug addiction in the past. time for the latest news, here's rebecca. the greek authorities are looking for dozens of people missing after the deadly
wildfires near athens. the local mayor says at least 77 people died in the fires, which have devastated the resort of mati. the prime minister alexis tsipras has declared three days of mourning. a woman who's trying to divorce her husband of a0 years has lost her legal battle after five justices ruled she must stay married. tini owens believes that her marriage to hugh owens has broken down, but he disagrees saying they still have a "few years" to enjoy. the case has led to fresh calls for a no—fault divorce system in england and wales. five men have been charged in connection with a suspected acid attack on a three—year—old boy in a shop in worcester. the men, aged between 22 and a1, will appear in court later this morning, charged with conspiracy to commit grievous bodily harm. the toddler was discharged from hospital on sunday, a day after suffering serious burns to his face and an arm.
violence has erupted as millions head to the polls in pakistan, with the worst incident seeing more than 30 people killed by a bomb in the city of quetta. voters are deciding between the parties of the former cricket star imran khan and the disgraced former prime minister nawaz sharif. the american pop singer, demi lovato, is being treated in hospital in los angeles following a suspected drug overdose. in a statement, her agent said she was awake and surrounded by her family. us media reports say the 25—year—old was found unconscious at her home. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. here's some sport now with damien. there's a big change to the laws around the height of tackling in rugby union aimed at reducing head injuries. in a trial starting next season, it will be illegal to tackle an opponent above the underside of the armpit. there's still a british one—two at the tour de france.
geraint thomas just ahead of chris froome as they head into a gruelling mountain stage later today. the olympic gold medal winning hockey player, sam quek, says female athletes should be able to look good without being sexualised. quek says female sportspeople don't need to strip off to be successful. everton have completed the signing of the richarlison from watford. the deal for the brazilian forward, who's only had one season in the premier league, could be worth up to £50 million. that's all the sport for now. as the heatwave continues, a viewer has been in touch about the amount of rubbish left on clacton beach in essex. have a look, it's pretty disgusting. we decided to follow up on this and keep britain tidy has told this programme that it has seen a 20% rise in people contacting them about litter problems as a result of the hot weather in the last couple of weeks. let's speak now to allison ogden—newton who is the chief executive of keep britain tidy.
that's a pretty grim picture on cla cton that's a pretty grim picture on clacton beach. it's disappointing and alarming, given the raised awareness about rubbish. is it a lwa ys awareness about rubbish. is it always worse in hot weather? i'm afraid so. more people go to beauty spots. we want people to enjoy it. we do the blue flags for the beaches and green flags of the parks and we wa nt and green flags of the parks and we want people to have a fabulous time and enjoy our wonderful beauty spots. but, they are spending more time with recreation and we are the largest consumers of food and drink on the go in europe. we are taking our snacks and drinks and u nfortu nately we a re our snacks and drinks and unfortunately we are seeing a rise in the amount of people leaving that rubbish behind, which is totally unacceptable. presumably a huge cost for local authorities as well. that's right. even if they put in more bins and clear them more often,
they are still having to up their game because of the huge volume of rubbish people are leaving behind. it isa rubbish people are leaving behind. it is a critical choice. if you don't take it home you are electing for high you want your taxes spent, which would be clearing up after you. are there some areas that are particularly bad? you. are there some areas that are particularly bad ? is you. are there some areas that are particularly bad? is it particularly beaches? is quite disappointing, particularly after the wonderful blue planet which raised awareness. plastic is devastating the environment. nonetheless, even on beaches people are treating them a bit like cinemas. they go there, they have their takeaway barbecue and sometimes they are standing up and sometimes they are standing up and leaving everything behind right next to the water. in this day and age, given everything we know about the devastating impact of plastics
and marine life, ijust don't understand it. we want to appeal to the public to be more responsible. clearly it isn't acceptable to leave it on the beach, but there are problems when you go about sometimes and there aren't many bins. if you haven't got a bag to take it home, what are you meant to do? if you can't put it in the bin, don't leave it by the side of the bin. we released a campaign this week which is all about telling people if you place it by a bin, put it on a bench or windowsill, it is still littering. please don't do that. the bottom line is, if you take your food and your drinks and your snacks toa food and your drinks and your snacks to a beauty spot then i'm afraid you've got to be prepared to take it home. take a bag with you. the great news about taking it home is then you can recycle it. that's fantastic and absolutely vital because we need
far more recycling. we're wasting so much of the world's resources buying packaging that has valuable resources in it and we are just littering it all letting it go to landfill. by taking it home and being responsible, you are taking two boxes. one conversation i always have with people, is obvious plastic is littering, but freaked, apple cores, ba na na is littering, but freaked, apple cores, banana skins. people say if you chuck it in a hedge it's ok because it's biodegradable. we would still call it littering. it will stay there. we had a call from somebody in brighton who is horrified that the state of the beachfront because people are dropping banana skins, ice creams and it's sticking to the pavement and it's sticking to the pavement and making it disgusting and a little bit dangerous. we also get calls from walker's high up in some
of our most exclusive and wonderful beauty spots where banana skins have been mummified and are there for yea rs. if been mummified and are there for years. if you don't compost it in high heat and there aren't those temperatures up there and it's not alongside other vegetable matter, it just mummified and sits there for ever. no, no, no. do not throw apple co res ever. no, no, no. do not throw apple cores out of the car. on the way here i saw two people pro—cigarette buts out of their car. it's really disappointing. —— throw cigarette buts out of the car. my bugbear is chewing gum. in this heat, you walk on top of it and it melts and is stuck to your shoe for the rest of the day. absolutely disgusting. chewing gum costs more to clear up
thanit chewing gum costs more to clear up than it did to buy in the first place. thank you. she's one of the biggest pop stars on the planet, worth hundreds of millions of pounds. but the price of fame for demi lovato has resulted with the singer being treated in hospital in los angeles following a suspected drug overdose. us media reports say the 25—year—old was found unconscious at her home. here's a look at her career. aged 15, demi lovato shot to fame in 2008 starring in the tv film camp rock. she became one of their biggest stars. the singer has never shied away from talking about her
drug problems. she released a song called sober last month in which she appeared to admit she had recently relapsed for the first time in six yea rs. # i'm so sorry i'm not save any more # ina # in a speech she spoke openly about her struggles. untreated mental illness can lead to devastating consequences including suicide, substance abuse and long—term medical issues. we can do better. everyone of us can make a difference. in a documentary released about her life, demi lovato said she started using cocaine at aged 17. my first time doing coke i was 17 working on the disney channel. i was with a couple of friends and they introduced me to it. i was scared because my mom always told me that
your heart could just burst if you do it. within hours of being rushed to hospital of a suspected drug overdose support poured in from fans and celebrities on social media. us chat show host ellen degeneres said, "it breaks my heart that she's going through this." olly murs, who worked with her, sent his love using the #prayfordemi. and the singer ariana grande simply tweeted, "i love you, demi." demi lovato is not the first and won't be the last child star to turn to drugs. but for fans, though, they're just hoping she now the support she needs. in a statement, demi lovato's agent said she was now awake and surrounded by her family. we can speak now to sandro monetti — a british entertainment reporter based in los angeles. and geoffrey haro — a fan who has met the singer on many occasions. he joins us from california. thank you both for staying up late.
sandro — it's no secret demi leads something of a wild lifestyle — certainly at least in terms of drugs. first in rehab at the age of 18, she is one of those many child stars who in the transition to adult fame has battled not just drugs in the transition to adult fame has battled notjust drugs but so many other demons. she's been open about her battles with bellini, bipolar disorder, self harm, alcohol, drugs. she's admitted to smuggling cocaine on planes. she's taken on a position in hollywood as something of a men and roll model for survival —— mental and role model for survival. the news that she's had this
relapsed and fallen off the wagon in such a dramatic way is devastating and caused a lot of shot in america and caused a lot of shot in america and around the world. you are a huge fan of demi lovato and i know that you've tweeted your love and support but you've also met her on a few occasions. tell us about her and where you met her. i met her at her concerts. she offers the programme that she was part of that helps her. through her meet and greet i had the chance to be with her, take a photo and take it all in. she's incredibly inspiring and has helped many fans all around the world. i'm very thankful i've had the opportunity to meet her and thankful i've had the opportunity to meet herandl thankful i've had the opportunity to meet her and i only hope for the best for her. you say she's
inspiring. the honesty with which she's come out and talked about her addictions, about her challenges with self confidence and self belief, which so many young people face, she's helped many, many people face, she's helped many, many people face their demons. yes, yes she has. what does that work mean to you as a fan, what does that mean to you as well as her music? it's incredibly important. at every one of her shows she is constantly being vocal about how important it is to use your voice for the greater good and that's something that i really look up that's something that i really look up to. i hope that i can use my voice for the greater good. i think another important thing about this whole thing about demi, about being so whole thing about demi, about being so public about it, is that it's important to know, and know the
signs of mental illness and addiction, and to end the stigma that comes with mental illness and addiction. sandro, it's also worth noting that she was in the middle of a world tour, she has cancelled some performances recently, hasn't she? she has clearly been struggling. like a lot of these disney stars and young p0p like a lot of these disney stars and young pop stars demi lovato, very hard—working, you young pop stars demi lovato, very ha rd—working, you know, young pop stars demi lovato, very hard—working, you know, great talent. but clearly in a great deal of pain as well. yes, there was concerts this weekend, she has had to cancel a tv appearance, her only now is on getting better. you know, we talk a lot on this show and others about the gun problem in america, this really puts a spotlight on the fact that drugs is a huge problem here as well. and as she recovers she now has an
opportunity, we have talked about how she has been a role model in the past. if she can fight her way back from the brink here and help others to do so that could be her greatest gift of all. thank you both so much from speaking to us. konjuh, british editing reporter in la, and also geoffrey haro, who is a huge fan of demi and met her several times. it's been a year and half now since the power—sharing executive in northern ireland collapsed, and since then the country has been without a government. today irish and british ministers are holding a rare meeting aimed at resolving the situation. bbc northern ireland's political editor mark devenport is in westminster for us now. take us back to the beginning because i know this is a hugely complicated issue. explain why power—sharing broke down in northern ireland. as you say it is a year and a half since the devolved executive at stormont collapsed and the issue which brought it down was nothing to
do with the normal nationalist unionist divide in northern ireland. instead it was a controversy about a renewable heating scheme which overran and was mismanaged and there was a falling out between the partners and the coalition, the dup and sinn fein, over that's why it collapsed. since then, putting it back together has involved talks that have gone to those traditional divides, particularly a bit of a stand—off between the main parties are about what kind of provision will be made in the future for the use of the irish language in northern ireland. because of those difficulties neither the british nor the irish governments have been able to put humpty dumpty back together again during the course of the last 18 months. for the people of northern ireland, what effect has this have on their daily lives? clearly they have noticed they don't have a government in northern ireland but how big an effect does it have on their lives? the civil serva nts it have on their lives? the civil servants have been running northern ireland and trying to get on with the provision of public services on a day—to—day basis. but it is true
that there have been decisions that the government hasn't been able to take, whether it be about planning matters for major projects such as waste incinerators, or signing off on compensation that victims of historic abuse in northern ireland have been entitled to. so there have been real impacts on real people. there has been frustration felt by most people. the different supporters of the different parties have blamed each otherfor the stand—off. and so even though there is general frustration, there stand—off. and so even though there is generalfrustration, there is no sign really of an agreement being brought about because of that. thank you, mark davenport, speaking to us from westminster. and i'm joined from belfast by allison morris, a security correspondent at the irish news. tell us, allison, what can be achieved today in this meeting? the thing about the british irish governmental conference is it doesn't have any legislative power to make any decisions on items which
are devolved and basically, let's face it, everything is a devolved matter in northern ireland at this point in time. it is the nationalists pushing for this meeting because we have a situation where the dup are in a confidence and supply deal with the tory government and have a lot of power and sway at westminster so the alternative if we can get a government up and running is go to direct rule and direct rule with westminster ministers. that will make nationalists very nervous because they feel the dup would too much influence in decision—making and that would create a perception of bias. what this meeting is set up today to do to bring in the irish government asjoint today to do to bring in the irish government as joint guarantors of the good friday agreement and try and have what nationalists would like as kind of giant authorities are the british government make decisions on northern ireland with westminster but also the irish government. that is unlikely to get the approval of the dup but what could come from this meeting today is would get sinn fein at the dup and all of those parties back in the same room and maybe get the possibility of a new period of talks under way that could restore the
stormont assembly. because right now there isn't an awful lot happening in that respect. how long can this go on? as mark said we have had no devolved government since early 2017, considerable period of time. we had a length of the period of collapsed devolution before and at that point in time we had ministers from westminster making decisions. the problem with this is we have civil servants keeping the lights on, keeping things running in the departments but they are not allowed to make major decisions. there was a decision made by a civil servant overruled by the high court who said without ministerial sign off it wasn't possible. when you think about it, how long can they keep on doing that? all they are doing is keeping previous agreements ticking over and there will come a time when we need new budgets, when there was reforms of the health service meant to be under way in northern ireland, we have the longest nhs waiting list in the uk and all of those things are impacted by this. we also had a turbulent summer period with some violence and it's arguable the
vacuum this has created through a lack of locally accountable politicians helps breed that kind of violence on the streets, which we had hoped we have seen the end of. mark davenport explained the day—to—day impact it has on people living in northern ireland. are people getting fed up their politicians can't sort this out?|j think the problem for politicians is that of the decision to pull down, sinn fein took the decision to walk away from stormont and as mark said that was based on a green energy scheme but there was so much more going on behind the scenes. that government would have eventually collapsed anyway because there was such bad faith between those two parties. the problem i think is we have had two elections since then, people voted in bigger numbers for the dup and sinn fein, the dup, given their new—found power at westminster, i don't think they're westminster, i don't think they're westminster tea m westminster, i don't think they're westminster team particularly care whether or not there is a government up whether or not there is a government up and running in northern ireland because they have so much say and power that they probably think they can do more for themselves and their
voters from westminster. nationalists feel left out of the brexit negotiations. northern ireland voted 56% to remain and yet the only people whose voices are being heard in the brexit negotiations are the dup who work ha rd negotiations are the dup who work hard brexit is. allison, thank you for speaking to us, security correspondent at the irish news. —— brexit —— brexiteers. if it's a four—fingered wafer covered in chocolate, then kit kat would tell you they own that design. the makers of kit kat, nestle, have been trying to trademark it for more than a decade, and rival cadbury has been fighting hard against. this morning, the european court ofjustice has handed downjudgment. fiona trott is at the nestle base in york. it was all about the shape of a kit kat. they produce 1 it was all about the shape of a kit kat. they produce1 billion of it was all about the shape of a kit kat. they produce 1 billion of them at this factory in york every year. you can smell melted chocolate in the air today. nestle has always tried to argue that the shape of the kit kat is distinctive. in fact, it gotan eu kit kat is distinctive. in fact, it
got an eu wide trademark 12 years ago but back then its rivals cadbury schweppes said, hang on, it's not that distinctive, we ourselves produce a fourfingered that distinctive, we ourselves produce a four fingered snack and it took until 2016 for the european court to decide on this. they turned round and said in four european countries the shape of the kit kat is not distinctive enough. it went to an appealand is not distinctive enough. it went to an appeal and that is the decision that we have had today. the european court has turned around and has upheld the original decision. but they have said that the trademark office based in spain would have to go back and look at the details again. so that's the situation where we are at at the moment. it has taken a very long time. there has been 11 years of her legal battle and what that has exposed is this rivalry between nestle and also the owner of cadbury‘s, mondelez. you may remember in 2013 that nestle managed
to prevent mondelez from trademarking the purple wrapper on a dairy milk so you can see why this legal battle has taken so long. so, fiona, where does this leave us now? will there be an appeal? what happens next? essentially, looking at it at this early stage, what this judgment seems to be telling us is that it cannot maintain this eu wide trademark because it isn't that distinct enough, that four fingered shape of a kit kat in four european countries it was tested, belgium, portugal, ireland and greece and it wasn't distinctive enough. essentially, anybody including nestle's rivals, could now carry on producing these four fingered chocolate treats. but there is this little caveat, it seems, the european court saying, look, the trademark office based in spain may need to go back and have a look at
this. so, the four fingers are not distinctive enough. i know that things like toblerone and walnut whips do have the protection, presumably because of the fact that they are so distinctive. that's right, yes. and what nestle was trying to argue was with its kit kat shape it was distinctive enough because of the amount of years that it had been sold for, been on the market since the 1930s. but what mondelez turned around and said was, well, our version in denmark called quick lunch has also been around since the 19305, so that is where this legal row started. fiona trott, thank you for the update on that story about kit kat trademarking, speaking to us from york. earlier in the programme we talked about a story about school exclusions. a
huge rise in the number of children being excluded from mainstream education up a0% in three years and there was an influential politicians group saying this was not acceptable and it needed to be looked at, we have been inundated with your comments. thank you for your experiences. we have had one text saying: my child has been excluded eight times since september. the headteacher keeps telling him he doesn't deserve to be in the school and she will get him managed moved into your nine. he has no special educational needs. he's a bright child and speaks up for himself so he can be defined and also abusive. josh on facebook says: my partner is a newly qualified secondary teacher and has been teaching for two years. nobody has mentioned the fact it costs the school £5,000 to exclude a child and then the subsequent £5,000 after that for each year they would have been at the school. that's why managed moves are so have been at the school. that's why managed moves are so popular which keeps them in the school system.
most times the schools have no choice to exclude for the sake of the other kids in the school but of course with the financial cost, which of course goes back, it is not taken which of course goes back, it is not ta ken lightly. thank which of course goes back, it is not taken lightly. thank you for your company today. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your comments. have a lovely day and i will be back at the same time tomorrow. it is another very hot and warm day for much of the country, plenty of sunshine around, and mainly dry but there are a few showers for the far north and west of scotland and you could squeeze out a shower almost anywhere but very isolated. most will stay dry, the sangchan hazy at times as some cloud comes and goes, temperatures widely between 22 and 28, locally up to 31, 32 in east anglia and the south—east of england. fine evening, many dry
overnight with clear skies, you could catch a shower across central and southern england as a bit more cloud starts to build, more cloud in the western parts of northern ireland late in the night and a warm night for northern and western areas, those of 11—1adc, holding onto the heat and humidity in the south as we do tomorrow. likely to be the hottest day of the year so far tomorrow, loss of sunshine. cloud and patchy rain arriving into northern ireland late in the afternoon, the winds strengthening in the north—west and a breezy day. temperatures at up to 3a and 35 for east anglia and south—east england. this is bbc newsroom at 11am. the headlines:
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