tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News August 20, 2018 9:00am-11:01am BST
hello, it's 9 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme. families living on a north london estate have exclusively told this programme that they are living in fear — after being told that their block of flats is at risk of collapse. i'm feeling bad, because i'm scared. igoto i'm feeling bad, because i'm scared. i go to work, i leave my children at home, and i'm scared. because i don't know what is going to happen. they say it is not safe in this building. a problem with the construction and design of their block has been known about for many years, but their north london council has suddenly told residents that they need to be out by october. all of a sudden theyjust want to get us and kick us out, and put us somewhere maybe worse. i've never moved my life, so to me it's hard just thinking about it, day by day. but what can i do? if they have to kick us out, they've got to kick us out. we will have that exclusive report
just after the news and sport at 9. a british woman spent 10 hours in the sea after falling from a cruise ship 60 miles off the coast of croatia. i fell off the back of the norwegian staff. i was in the water for ten hours. these wonderful guys rescued me. i'm very lucky to be alive. but how did she survive? we will be finding out what it takes to get through such an ordeal. tv personality danielle lloyd will tell us she's been subject to vicious online abuse after saying she would pay to select the gender of her next child. she has four sons and says she wants to ensure she has a girl next time. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning.
just after half nine we'll talk to these voters and politicians about the campagin for a so—called people's vote — that's a campaign for a second referendum on the final brexit deal that mrs may strikes with brussels. it received a boost this weekend — a million quid donation. and they now have just over 277,000 names on their petition. tell us what your view of this campaign and whether you want a vote on the brexit deal the pm comes back with from brussels. 0n twitter use the hashtag # victorialive. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today... one of britain's biggest prisons is being taken over by the government after a damning report said its private operator gas had allowed it to fall into a ‘state of crisis‘. inspectors found that some inmates at birmingham prison were too scared
to emerge from their cells, and that staff had locked themselves in their offices. danny shaw is our home affairs correspondent — here's his report. it has had a long and troubled history since it opened in 1849, but today birmingham prison is officially a jail in crisis. after a riot in 2016, inspectors said there had been a dramatic deterioration in conditions. they described a lack of order and control at birmingham, with violent prisoners able to act with near impunity. in a letter to thejustice secretary david gauke, the chief inspector of prisons, peter clarke, said there was a fear of violence amongst some inmates who refused to come out of their cells. some staff were found to have found to have locked themselves in their offices and he said conditions were filthy with blood, vomit and rat droppings on the floor. the appalling state of hmp birmingham comes as no surprise to regular visitors. the headcount needs to be reduced.
managers need to be able to manage and be visible on the wings and the whole issue of violence and drug ingress need to be addressed. now the government is taking over the running of birmingham from gas. there were protests when the company won the contract seven years ago and they won't get the prison back until ministers are satisfied there have been improvements. that is likely to take at least six months. gas said it welcomed the opportunity to work with the government to address the problems at birmingham. danny shaw, bbc news. our home affairs correspondent, danny shaw is here. a couple of pretty grim example is the chief inspector highlights? yes, he highlighted two cases he was really disturbed by, one, they came across a man distressed, sitting on some scruffy material on his bed, on the bedsprings. he said repeatedly,
they have stolen my mattress. when they have stolen my mattress. when the inspectors made inquiries, they discovered that had happened three days earlier. this man had been in his cell without a mattress for three days, and apparently nothing had been done about it. there was another case of a troubled man who hired a personal hygiene problem, and what they found was that he had been bullied by prisoners who had stuck a fire hose through the observation panel in his cell door, soaked him and his cell with water, but had gone on, and the inspectors just said, how could this have possibly have gone on without any action being taken? it really showed just how out of control the prison was. a lot of questions for the privately run jail, a was. a lot of questions for the privately runjail, a lot was. a lot of questions for the privately run jail, a lot of questions for the government. minister ofjustice officials were on site, so they knew what was happening? this is how private prisons operate, they are not sealed off from the rest of the service.
the private contractors run the prison, they have their own governor and staff, but in the office set minister ofjustice officials who monitor the contract and go through to ensure that everything that should be done is being done. there are serious questions as to where we re are serious questions as to where were they? were they not flooding concerns and highlighting the problems? rory stewart, the prisons minister, has admitted that the government is partly to blame for the failings of birmingham, but some will ask, should they have stepped in earlier? thank you, we will talk more about this after ten o'clock. if you had worked at birmingham jail oi’ if you had worked at birmingham jail or you are a if you had worked at birmingham jail oi’ you are a recent if you had worked at birmingham jail or you are a recent inmate, do get in touch, your own experience is absolutely pertinent to the conversation. joanna gosling is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. a british woman is recovering this morning afterfalling from a cruise ship before being pulled from the water off the coast of croatia. this is the dramatic moment kay longstaff was rescued,
10 hours after falling from the norwegian star into the adriatic sea at around midnight on saturday. she was later taken to hospital in the croatian town of pula. i fell off the back of the norwegian star and i was in the water for ten hours. so these wonderful guys rescued me. your name is? kay. i am very lucky to be alive. where are you from? from england. how old are you? i am a6 and i was sitting at the back of the deck... couples raising two children, while working full—time on the minimum wage, don't earn enough to provide their family with even a basic, no—frills lifestyle according to new research. the report blames rising prices and freezes in benefits and tax credits. the government says that household incomes are at an all time high. but the child poverty action group says many parents are struggling to make ends meet. they're suffering from raising
prices, static income. and what's had the biggest effect is the fact that in work benefits, as well as out of work benefits, such as tax credits, haven't risen over a number of years. so income is pretty static and people are really feeling the pinch. around 22,000 people were rescued from the flood—hit indian state of kerala yesterday, after monsoon rains finally eased. military forces, as well as disaster response teams and local fishermen, managed to reach some of the worst hit areas. many places remain under water, and operations are still on to rescue people who are stranded. more than 350 people have died since the monsoon started injune. a woman and her daughter remain in a critical condition in hospital after being attacked with a hammer in south—east london. the women — aged 6a and 30 — are said to have suffered devastating injuries as a result of the assault in eltham yesterday. a 27—year—old man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. families living in a tower
block which is at risk of collapsing have told this programme they are living in fear. 87 families have been told they must leave their homes on the broadwater farm estate in north london by the end of october — so far only 19 have accepted the alternative accommodation they've been offered. and you can see a full report on that story — exclusive to this programme — coming up at 9:15. a 29—year—old man is due to appear in court charged with attempting to murder members of the public and police officers in a suspected terror attack outside parliament. salih khater, of birmingham, is facing two counts of attempted murder, following the incident in westminster on tuesday. three people were treated for non—life threatening injuries after the incident. hardcore fans of lazio football club in italy have circulated a letter saying women should be banned from part of the stadium. before the first game of the season, an unofficial flyer was handed round saying the stand
was a "sacred place" where women were not allowed. the pamphlet called for "women, wives and girlfriends" not to sit in the first 10 rows of the stand. millions of people could face long term unemployment, as artificial intelligence revolutionises the workplace — that's the warning from the chief economist of the bank of england. andy haldane has told the bbc that a major push on learning new skills would be necessary for workers to avoid being overtaken by computer programmes and robots. it's predicted technology could replace millions ofjobs over the next ten years. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. in a few minutes we have our exclusive report on a north london estate where residents have been told they must be out by october because their block of flats are at possible risk of collapse. megan on twitter says the council is not kicking people out, they are trying to save them by moving them from homes that are unsafe. it is a
usual biased intro from your programme. that film is coming up in a few minutes. if you're getting in touch, you are very welcome. use the hashtage victorialive and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. let's get some sport first... 0lly foster is at the bbc sport centre. we're only one week into the premier league season and something's not quite right at manchester united, 0lly? the backend of last season, manchester united lost at brighton, brighton stayed up, and united had already lost the title. it didn't really matter. but yesterday it did matter. they lost 3—2. this picture summing it up. luck at mourinho, what is going on? the nature of the defeat was really quite startling. let's show you a couple of the goals. brighton took a 2—0 lead, a lovely first goal. a little flick from glenn murray. shane duffy made it 2-0 from glenn murray. shane duffy made it 2—0 inside 30 minutes. united we re it 2—0 inside 30 minutes. united were at sixes and sevens. shambolic
in defence. mourinho said we need to strengthen the back or we will be in trouble. they didn't and the tra nsfer trouble. they didn't and the transfer window. lu ka ku pulled trouble. they didn't and the transfer window. lukaku pulled one back, making it 3—1 at half—time. paul pogba with an injury time penalty, 3—2 to brighton. the united captain said the attitude was not right. is mourinho going to play the blame game again, pointing fingers at players? not this time. last season, when i was critical with my team, when i debated openly with my team, when i debated openly with you our performances, then we we re with you our performances, then we were the ones that criticised me in a very hard way by going against my team, against the players, by being too open. i am going to try to speak ina very too open. i am going to try to speak in a very happy way, when my players have great performances. but i will close myself and things are not going well. what won't have helped united's mood is that their defeat came right off the back of this — manchester city's 6—1 win at home to huddersfield that
included a sergio aguero hatrick. it was 3—1 at half time there as well. david silva scored a brilliant freekick early in the second half, and aguero completed his hatrick late on. pep guardiola hailed the argentine as one of the best strikers in the world when is on his game as he was yesterday. that sees the champions sit top of the table, one of five teams with maximum points — but crystal palace face liverpool tonight. either of those, probably liverpool, could go top of the table. a better day for manchester united's women? they had their first competitive match yesterday since being reformed, and they look like they mean business. they are under considerable pressure, but they do look like they
mean business. they will start out in the second tier of the women's game, the championship, but they had a cup game against liverpool. who are in the top diviison and they won. lizzie arnott with the only goal of the game. it was played at tranmere rovers. casey stoney, the former england international, had six weeks to get a squad together and they actually pinched a fairfew players from liverpool. but she is optimistic about what they can achieve this season. these players will tell you that they want to get promotion. that is what we are working towards. there is ten also other teams that want to get promotion so it will be difficult. we want to work hard and improve them, so when they walk out after a year they are better players and better people. great start for manchester united women, about time they had a women's team. and england's cricketers came unstuck at trent bridge? england had been looking to clinch the series in nottingham but that's not going to happen. replying to india's first innings of 329 they lost 10 wickets in the afternoon session yesterday.
a collapse right up there with some of their finest. they had been going quite well on 5a without loss, but once alastair cook fell, it was a sorry tale. all out for 161. hardik pandya took 5 for 28. joe root, the captain, the first of his victims. india are completely in control. they will resume on i2a for 2 with virat kohli at the crease and a lead of 292. england currently two up in the series but expect india to win this test sometime tomorrow with two more tests to play. the series is alive. families living in a tower block in north london have told this programme they are living in fear after being told that there is a risk their block of flats could collapse. 87 families have been told they must leave their homes on the broadwater farm estate by the end of october — so far only 19 have accepted the alternative accommodation they've been offered. safety tests on other tower blocks run after the grenfell fire found
the building could collapse if there was even a minor gas explosion, because of the way it's been built. it's estimated there are more than a thousand similar buildings across the uk, which may also need investigating. noel phillips has this exclusive report. the tragedy at grenfell tower should never have happened. the deaths of 72 people should have served as a wake—up call. the 12 months on, they are people living in high—rise social housing whose lives are at risk because of structural defects dating back a decade that have not been fixed. the future is uncertain. the 87 households on the small london estate are being forced from their flats after been suddenly told injune this year by the harrogate council that they block is at risk of collapse. because of a construction faults
that's been known about for years but only now being addressed. we hoped we'd be here for a number of years and not being told 30 or a0 years down the line, your house is going to collapse. you don't expect that. alex moved into tangmere, the block that is being evacuated, in 1982. she is being told that her and her husband will have to move out by the end of october. my kids were born and brought up on the estate so it is a lot of memories. there's not a lot of people on the estate now that i know from when they were growing up, there is only at a few. even my friends have all moved up and moved away, so it's basicallyjust the two of us now. so you're looking forward to moving? well, we are looking to moving, yeah. the 116 flats in this 6—storey building were built in the 1970s using what's known as the large panel system, or lps. that's the same kind of construction
that cause the section of this high—rise block, ronan point, in east london to collapse 50 years ago. a small gas explosion in a kitchen flat calls the floors to give way. four people were killed and many left injured. in the wake of grenfell tower, structural tests were carried out on all the tower blocks on this estate. harrogate council has told people living in tangmere that a risk of a ronan point style collapse is low, but the threat is sufficiently high that they need to be moved out. it's a little bit annoying but mostly sad more than anything else. upset, sad. we are standing in the gap to pray for our nation,
especially our government and or so for our youth. selina has come to the local church on the estate. she is still angry that after years of being here the council has only just told her that the she's living in a home that is unsafe. how are you feeling at the moment? i'm feeling bad because i'm scared, and my children, if i go to work and leave my children at home, i'm scared because i don't know what is going to happen. so you don't feel safe at all? no. no, because the people said no one is safe for this building. selina moved here in 1996 and lives with herfour children. they have never moved house before. had you feel the has treated you and other residents? because of the council treating me, it's very bad.
because i am living here 22, 23 years now. and there is gas problems. because of these gas problems they told us they are going to move us, and every day they say something different. every day they go to a meeting twice so they don't tell us any good things. it's a combination of the large panel system of construction and gas supply that makes this block unsafe. this represents the external slab of the building, the load—bearing wall. this man is a private surveyor and fire safety expert who knows the design of these buildings. in those days, they had to drop it so, bang. this had unreinforced nibs.
it depended where it landed. the bolts were then meant to be lowered down, dry packing put in, when the next panel was then lowered in. that was never done. and these bits were omitted. now, those should have been fixed round the bolts and then fixed onto these slabs to tie the structure together but to save time and get paid more, they left them out, and when there's a gas explosion, this floor lifts up, that all goes out, and the whole of its collapses. and all the rest of it is stacked on the top like a pack of cards, the whole lot collapses. harrowgate council have told residents they must be out by the end of october, when the gas will be switched off. meaning there will be no heating or hot water. but many residents still don't know where they are going to end up. this is my bedroom. this is all be packing, see. so you have started packing, have you? yes.
you don't know where to start. i don't know where to start. because i love my place... nearly 20 years you have spent in this flat. yes, 20 years. and one day, move. archbishop frimpong has already started packing. he has been living out of his suitcase for weeks. he moved onto broadwaterfarm after the 1985 riots. the sky was lit up as petrol bombs lobbed from the flats landed among the police. in the words of one senior officer, it wasn't england, it was madness. the riots were sparked by the death of grandmothers cynthia jarrett who died of heart failure after a police raid on her home on the 5th of 0ctober1985. a police officer, pc keith blakelock, was stabbed to death in the ensuing violence. the area will forever be associated with these scenes. but although the community here has seen change,
people feel that the council has neglected tangmere over many years. the walls are damp, there are leaks and mould. now we look forward to move, because nobody wants to die. you can see the damp in this place everywhere. people in this block, a lot of them are suffering. every situation they call me, you go to somebody‘s flat, you see the number of damp leakings and you say why? why should we live in this? the neglect of the block over many years might have put residents' health at risk but that the council also failed to heed warnings about the danger to people's lives. we've been told by one expert to raise concerns as far back as the 1980s that residents have long been at risk. well, the council has always had people at risk here ever since they put the gas in in the 80s. in effect, in the early 80s, they had a report on the structure
of these buildings by sam webb, an eminent architect, and he condemned them as not being built correctly. in the mid to late 80s, the building research establishment did a report on large panel systems saying that they were dangerous and you should regularly check them. what has happened to those reports? what has happened to all the reports in between? you know this building inside out, what are your main concerns about it? i have raised concerns about the way the building is constructed, i have raised concerns about the fact that they have gas in them and they shouldn't and i also have concerns about their fire doors, when they've got plastic fire doors defectively installed, when the fire doors to the fronts of flats don't have door closers, so anyone leaving in a fire, the front door can be left open into the common parts. there are lots of problems this block. the council is still in consultation about whether to demolish or refurbish tangmere.
the estimated cost of repairs is £13 million. although some residents oppose plans for it to be demolished, others in the community want to see it pulled down. clashford coaches the youth football team on the estate. he first moved here in 1978. at the end of the day, the problem is the mere fact that it has lived its shelf life. they haven't found anything in there that is illegal. it has lived its shelf life. do you understand what i'm saying? it now needs to be knocked down and rebuilt and it is as simple as that. but that is not how some people who have lived on the block most of their lives see it. i'm on my way to meet a man who moved in in 1986 but now he's worried about where he's going to live. hello? hi. patrick started squatting on the estate when he was 21. later, he was offered
this studio flat. in a way, i have made this my home. and now, all of a sudden, theyjust want to get us and kick us out, and put us somewhere that may be worse. three generations of patrick's family has also lived on the estate. his mum, brother and sister who has now left. you have lived here a long time. 30 years. i've never moved in my life, so to me it is hard just thinking about it day by day, but what can i do? if they have to kick us out, they have to kick us out. but the problem is you don't know where you're going to be moving to. no. you have not been offered anywhere to live? no. not at the moment. they said they may have found me somewhere, like in a converted house, which i specifically said i don't want, but
like i said, they have just given us the first property we had to move to, but we have no second options. we can see a lot of damage to the room as well. yes, that was from a leak upstairs. what has it been like living in these conditions for such a long time? you just get used to it. patrick has yet to receive a formal offer for a new flat. the council says, of the 87 residents in tangmere, 60 have been offered alternative accommodation, but only 19 so far have accepted their offers. injust over two months they all have to leave. most don't know where they will end up. but is tangmere just the tip of the iceberg? this programme has been told by the research group towerblock uk that they are 1500 large
panel system blocks that need to be structurally investigated to ensure they are not in danger of progressive collapse. 0ther tower blocks in london, leicester and portsmouth have been evacuated, leading to concerns that councils already strapped for cash will struggle to find funds to deal with the affected residents. we might have a row of 100 houses, and one person doesn't want to move. so what do you do if you are a politician? you know that this row of 100 houses really ought to be demolished and modernised and replaced. there comes a point when you have to say, well, we are going to make a compulsory acquirement of that. people don't like it, they will object, they will go to somebody like you and say they have been victimised. the alternative is to sit there and say there is nothing we can do. that is the job
ofa nothing we can do. that is the job of a politician, to make those lonely decisions. as environment secretary in the 1980s, lord heseltine was responsible for reviving rundown estates in high poverty areas across the country. he now wa nts poverty areas across the country. he now wants the government to offer more support to local authorities to deal with the housing crisis. more support to local authorities to deal with the housing crisislj would deal with the housing crisis.” would like to see far more power from london switched to local people and local authorities, and local communities, because i think they have a greater sense of steak, a greater involvement, a greater knowledge of what needs to be done. backin knowledge of what needs to be done. back in tangmere, at least one resident is happy. jacob is from the residents association group. in the last few days he has accepted an offer from the council for a one—bedroom flat. offer from the council for a one-bedroom flat. there it is, it is that tower up there. that is what i have been offered. it is a nice blog. i would say it was the nicest one on the estate, which is why i asked for it. so, in some ways, i am
happy. but it is a huge upheaval. probably an upheaval i would rather have avoided, i have to say. before patrick, this is a stressful time. despite his crumbling flat, he is relu cta nt to despite his crumbling flat, he is reluctant to move without assurances ofa reluctant to move without assurances of a better life. he doesn't believe thatis of a better life. he doesn't believe that is what the will provide him. they should let us state, really. and do, like they said in the other blocks, put in electric boilers, and they could do that to this one. because apparently there is a problem with the gas supply or something. but they are just going to kick us all out and knock it down, rebuild it. after the grenfell tragedy, residents pointed out that their concerns about safety had been ignored for years. now politicians
are waking up to the potential dangers. but tenants still feel they are losing out. they face months of uncertainty and they are losing faith. we invited haringey council on to the programme but they were unable to join us — instead the cabinet member for housing sent us this statement: "we have made clear commitments to affected residents and, from home visits to drop—in sessions and regular letters, we have kept residents informed every step of the way. a number of residents have already been found new homes they also added that they have removed all gas cookers in the building and replaced them with electric, installed gas safety valves and have a 2a hour concierge to stop residents taking
gas canisters into buildings. thank you for your messages. aileen says if the council are offering suitable like for like homes which they should do, they have to move, they should do, they have to move, the block cannot be rebuilt or fixed. bob says they should have been not down years ago, i used to visit a friend on the broadwater farm visit a friend on the broadwater fa rm estate visit a friend on the broadwater farm estate and there is a known problem with the way it was built, people don't feel safe on their balconies. and this from john, if i can find that, just another disaster ready to happen and if it dolls, who ta kes ready to happen and if it dolls, who takes the blame? thank you for those. also still to come... the campagin for a vote on whatever brexit deal the pm achieves got a boost this weekend — a million quid donation. we'll ask these voters and politicians what the arguments for and against a so—called ‘people's vote' are — and let us know your views too.
she has four sons — and now she wants a girl — tv personality danielle lloyd is going to be talking to us about the vicious abuse she said she received after saying she would pay to select the gender of her next child. time for the latest news — here's joanna gosling. one of britain's biggest prisons is being taken over by the government after a damning report said its private operator — gas — had allowed it to fall into a ‘state of crisis‘. inspectors found that some inmates at birmingham prison were too scared to emerge from their cells, and that staff had locked themselves in their offices. a british woman is recovering this morning after falling from a cruise ship before being pulled from the water off the coast of croatia. this is the dramatic moment kay longstaff was rescued, 10 hours after falling from the norwegian star into the adriatic sea at around
midnight on saturday. she was later taken to hospital in the croatian town of pula. couples raising two children, while working full—time on the minimum wage, don‘t earn enough to provide their family with even a basic, no—frills lifestyle according to new research. the report blames rising prices and freezes in benefits and tax credits. the government says that household incomes are at an all time high. but the child poverty action group says many parents are struggling to make ends meet. a woman and her daughter remain in a critical condition in hospital after being attacked with a hammer in south—east london. the women — aged 6a and 30 — are said to have suffered devastating injuries as a result of the assault in eltham yesterday. a 27 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. the first disabled woman to sail solo around britain has died at the age of a6. hilary lister, who was paralysed from the neck down, became the first quadriplegic
to sail across the english channel in 2005 and then went on to sail solo around britain in 2009. that‘s a summary of the latest bbc news. thank you and thank you to bill who says can you please find out how the lady fell off the back of the cruise liner, i can assure you, that is the top of our prior dealers this morning, we will talk more about how the a6—year—old kay from england survived after falling off the back of the norwegian cruise liner off the coast of croatia on saturday, ten hours in the adriatic, and as she said somewhat understatedly, she is lucky to be alive. do you want a vote on the final brexit deal the pm gets from brussels? after the co—founder of the fashion band superdry donated a million pounds to the campaign for a public vote on any final brexit deal, we‘re asking you that. it comes as the government prepares
to publish advice on thurday designed to prepare the uk for the possibility of no deal at all... let‘s talk about this with: chuka umunna - labour mp for streatham. he wants to remain in the eu and supports a second referendum. marcus fysh mp ? the conservative mp for yeovil. he wants us to leave the eu, and is against having a second vote. amanda chetwynd-cowieson ? runs the campaign group for our future s sake, which wants to remain in the eu and backs a 2nd referendum. lucy harris ? founded the campaign group leavers of london and is against a second referendum william tuckwell 7 is a student. he wants to leave the eu, and is open to another referendum so people can vote for a hard brexit. dami olatuiy ? is training to be a lawyer. initially voted leave but now wants to remain and would like a second vote.
dr rachel clarke ? is a palliative care doctor. she wants to remain, and would like another referendum. linda burbridge ? is a retired financial advisor. she wants to leave, and doesn t want to vote again for chuka umunna mp. why don‘t you describe what you mean bya why don‘t you describe what you mean by a second referendum, i dropped my tech! we want people to determine what happens at the end of this process , what happens at the end of this process, my own view is that is wrong for this to be reserved for 650 members of parliament, the voices of 65 million people need to be brought to the table. don't we get that through our elected representatives? but this unique issue affects every facet of life, and await many of your viewers and i did not appreciate at the of this process and the thing that
instigated this process was the people being involved. in the end you have to bring them back to the table, primarily because brexit in the form that was sold to the british people as proved forward ever reason to be completely undeliverable and what we now have in parliament is deadlock and marcus andi in parliament is deadlock and marcus and i were talking before we came on about how the arithmetic in the house of commons is difficult on this issue. sorry to interrupt, how do you get away from the perception that you simply want the second pope occurs you want to stop brexit totally? i say a couple of things about that, many of the leading ra kes about that, many of the leading rakes in tears, nigel farage, says there may need to be another referendum... but you were, are a remainder... but as i said, if what you were saying was the case she wouldn‘t have leading brexiteers openly discussing the concept of a different referendum to get us through this process but secondly i think the big thing, i don‘t know what is going to happen at the end
of this process, if there is a people‘s vote on the deal, alternately, let‘s go straight to the heart of your point, are you thwarting the will of the people? how do you thought the will of the people if the people determine what we do at the end, it‘s not like marcus and i sitting in a voting booth, i don‘t see what is wrong with that. marcus, what is wrong with that. marcus, what is wrong with people having a final say on the deal? even if that were a good idea which it isn't, it would create more division, uncertainty for business, more incentive for the eu to give us a bad or no deal at all, there isn't enough time before we urge you to leave the eu to organise the legislation, the natural commission, all of the paraphernalia, the organisation that goes with the referendum is enormous. what we need to focus on, theissues enormous. what we need to focus on, the issues we need to sort out for day one, get everything organised at
our borders, customs and this is really a distraction from that effort that we should be putting in. you‘re right about the practicalities, the logistics, the timescale, put that to one side, why is ita timescale, put that to one side, why is it a bad idea but the british population to have a final say on what every deal theresa may comes back on? we had a vote, 17 point for a million voters who voted to leave the eu, most people still, i don't acce pt the eu, most people still, i don't accept the opinion polls that we are probably going to talk about in a minute, most people want us to get on with this now, we actually had a 6-1 on with this now, we actually had a 6—1 vote in parliament for the referendum, a 4—1, nearly 5—1 vote or triggering article 50. and we had a majority for the eu withdrawal at and in addition to the 71 a million, we've had three very significant parliamentary votes to make this happen. i'd like to respond to that,
one of the things we've said from the word no, there are so many young people who haven't been involved in any of those decisions you just listed, one and a half million people turned a team since 2016 and you have mps that are completely locked in deadlock, there are... there are lot of people that will turn 18, we have to draw a line at some point but point was two years ago, we‘ve gone the line, it‘s done, let me go to chuka umunna is point about the people‘s vote, it‘s a millionaires vote, it... i am not a millionaire, i wish i was. you have a guy who paid 28p an hour giving £1 million to the people‘s vote campaign. i have no idea if he pays that, by the way. let‘s reside from that, by the way. let‘s reside from that, i don‘t know if that‘s true. let‘s deal with what we know. that, i don‘t know if that‘s true. let's deal with what we know. trying to trick the british public, chuka
umunna, he is trying to trick and trap them into taking away doubled that counted, the biggest boat in and he‘s trying to take that away. respond to that. i think that's a bit patronising to be honest. i think most of your viewers know exactly what we are talking about, if we look at what we are going to have to make a decision on at the end of this process, i think most people accept, there are a range of things that were promised, 350 million promised each week for the nhs, justa million promised each week for the nhs, just a moment, let me respond. there is up to a £50 billion divorce bill. this whole thing looks great different, i think we can easily dismiss the one and a half million young people, my area admittedly, and by the way, lambeth, where i represent scored the highest remain vote in the country and i think they'd be pretty insulted why this sweeping generalisation, one in four people in my constituency lives in absolute poverty, most people in my
borough, no, let's talk about... you said it was a bunch of millionaires, most people and lambeth cannot afford to own their own homes. we have some the most extreme social problems in the country, one of the most deprived local authorities but we did not believe leaving the european union would resolve those issues. let me bring in william. talking about a bunch of millionaires, that's quite patronising. william, you were open to another referendum so people can vote what. .. to another referendum so people can vote what... what i find interesting is that chuka umunna is here trying to trick the people into voting, he is the big devil, into voting in a referendum. that's fine. but here's the interesting thing, i am on your side of the argument, i want to leave the european union and the game and against having a second referendum the longest time was predicated on the idea the government is doing for people voted for. absolutely. but the government
is listening to the people and i think what we've seen is that when they initially started the brakes are put through the mansion has agreement any people came out and said this looks roughly like bobby voted for, most people understand it's a negotiation, scott placated, there are going to be negotiations and and convocations are many side. i think most people understand the government hasn't put forward the case be made in the mansion has agreement, they haven't put forward the argument that most people i think voted for in the referendum, obviously i don't... think voted for in the referendum, obviously i don't. .. why do you want another boat? having the second referendum isn't my first choice, i'd much rather the government changed tack and go back to advocating for a harder version of brexit but the government seems incapable of changing that, this agreement honours the spirit of the chequers agreement stays alive, then surely, i mean i personally would rather take a bit of a gamble, be a
bit courageous and actually go ahead and have that second referendum so we can get the kind of exit i voted for. 0k. we can get the kind of exit i voted for. ok. this talk of gambles and risks for me as a doctor gets right to the heart of the matter, what we are talking about is informed consent or rather the lack of that, as nhs doctors when i discuss an intervention with a patient i do so on the basis of laying out clearly, factually object ugly and accurately the pros and cons, the risks and benefits of whether they should go ahead with a operation on their brain, for example. and if i didn‘t do that clearly, objectively and accurately and i wouldn‘t be worth by weight as a doctor. it's a point, the conservative mp sarah wollaston, one of your colleagues makes in the times newspaper today. what we've actually seen, i would argue, in the first referendum is many mps providing trees and evidenced facts
but others writing lies on the front ofa but others writing lies on the front of a bus, treating the truth and treating the evidence with frankie impunity and why as a doctor in a way i would be struck off by the gmc and rightly so because i wouldn‘t be honest, i wouldn‘t be a doctor, i would be a charlatan, that‘s why i wa nt would be a charlatan, that‘s why i want another boat and i think that‘s why it‘s popular with the public. want another boat and i think that‘s why it's popular with the public. to add to that, i voted to leave the eu, quite strongly i was bad opinion until a few months ago. you changed your mind. i changed my mind because of the attitude the government in the intervening period and because we've seen the referendum wasn't carried out in a totally legal way and on top of that, there is now evidence that more and more people, i see them every day, they speak to me about how they are changing their minds like myself and am moving to a position for we don't believe the government is acting in the best interests of the country. i was volunteering at the broadleaved headquarters in the last few weeks of the referendum and the people i
was campaigning with, we all thought we we re was campaigning with, we all thought we were doing something to make the country better, we weren't putting even on the basis of a no deal option which would take away lots of our rights. how possible is a no deal? i think it's possible and the government is having to plan... the government is having to plan... the government has said it is unlikely. linda... i find this difficult, we had the boat, the people have spoken. we should carry on with the referendum, i was thinking, this is simply stick but if you think about there was a football match yesterday and chelsea won, they beat arsenal, arsenal not happy with that, they wa nt arsenal not happy with that, they want to replay at until they get the result they want about science like it's what were trying to do. you're right, the government is making a shambles of, we can't hold the government accountable for ever, we need to get on... can i interject? if that‘s true but then, how do you explain my position to someone who wa nts to explain my position to someone who wants to leave the eu but doesn‘t think the government is really carrying out what i think the spirit
of the referendum is.” carrying out what i think the spirit of the referendum is. i agree with you, i don't think they are carrying it out, i don't know quite you've decided to ask for another referendum because were going to go through this again and again and again and would never get there. the government isn‘t carrying it out, i presume you still want that version of brexit we campaign for during the referendum and that the government isn‘t going to carry it out and there is no way to force it to carry it out surely the only, one of the only tools we have two actually get that version of brexit that we wanted, when we voted for it, is through some form of people‘s vote. you hope there is no deal and then you would get that form of brexit? how about this as a useful analogy? imagine two years ago a doctor says to you, 0k victoria, in two years' time and going to cut off a part of your body in an operation, i'm not going to tell you any details about how that may be bad you, i'm going
to promise you, i will even write it ona to promise you, i will even write it on a bus that it will be fantastic for you and on a bus that it will be fantastic foryou and in on a bus that it will be fantastic for you and in those intervening two years you're not allowed to change your mind, sign a piece of paper... he is going to get irritated with that analogy. i don't think that stands, there was lots of information, the government spent over 9 million quid on a leaflet which was outside of the campaign spending to set out what it saw as risks. and i don't see that... who was tutting. why? i don't need a lecture from an mp and campaign spending. we're not rerun in the whole of the last two years. when i talk to people in yeovil they are not talking about voting leave to remain... whether you voted to leave or to remain... whether you voted to leave orto remain, remain... whether you voted to leave or to remain, people watching this will have audible ways, i think we can all agree we are in a very different place now. convert to
2016. at the end of the day the debate that we had and marcus was pa rt debate that we had and marcus was part of it, we were all part of it, it was speculation, we were having a debate on the basis of hypotheticals. no, the difference is... the difference between now and 2016... let him finish. we have hard fa cts 2016... let him finish. we have hard facts which arrived as the result of negotiations, we know were not going to get the same access to the market. every single through mongering article produced by the remain side, we are going to have super gonorrhoea , we remain side, we are going to have super gonorrhoea, we are not going to have sandwiches, those silly articles are based on the conditional, we might, we may, not link is certain. you ignore the fact there will be a divorce bill of up to £50 million. i'm denying your narrative because it's not true. i'm giving you a fact, you cannot reject the facts because you don‘t like them. it‘s a fact the divorce bill... you have a different reading too i do. without the withdrawal.
there is not the payment of the money. hang on. i'd like to make the point really strongly about a no deal was not on the table when we we re deal was not on the table when we were allowed to have the referendum in 2016, we were voting for a better deal with the whole world. that is still for we are working towards and thatis still for we are working towards and that is what we should be doing. the free trade agreement. i think the moment the government tries to proceed in nasa policy which is based on what the majority of people in the country want is... what the people of this country wanted was an independent country, we are not connected to anything to do with the eu, they wanted independent country, what you are saying is not an independent country. it is. hang on, let him down her make the point and then i would read messages. we want to be completely separate the eu. then i would read messages. we want to be completely separate the sum
was a to be completely separate the sum wasa uk to be completely separate the sum was a uk poll. dan says we have the biggest boat ever, leave one by over 1.4 biggest boat ever, leave one by over 1.a million, why would we want another one, perhaps and play croatia again? there cannot be another vote until legislation which both main parties reject. we are out. david said it used to be said in the uk democracy happens every five years, the forces behind brexit now want us to believe democracy happensjust once, now want us to believe democracy happens just once, in june now want us to believe democracy happens just once, injune 2016. referendums are not craddock and a second one will no more settled the issue in the last one, the uk as a parliamentary democracy, mps are representatives not delegates, they should use the book to protect the interests of the constituents and if they don‘t think the deal is the right one they should vote to reverse article 50. and another viewer says there are no two overs, after 50 yea rs viewer says there are no two overs, after 50 years without a vote, you
will see riots, mayhem and chaos that there is an attempt to get the vote that the remainder is want. does anyone believe that if there would be a second vote? would any of you be rioting if you don‘t get... cani you be rioting if you don‘t get... can i make a slight point was to the viewers at home you may be watching and are and have voted leave. if you believe that theresa may should call a second referendum, chuka umunna is trying to cover you know almost con people into voting remain again, what with the turnout be in such a referendum? i don‘t fear this kind of, people on the leeds side they are worried it was a second referendum, it would be trying to overturn the will of the people, let‘s say in the hypothetical scenario... what would be the question? i would go for a preferendum. i struggle with the
question, if the prime minister... hang on, hang on, no point talking over each other. if the prime minister's deal does not improve the standing of the country why would we go and leave, that's what i struggle with. what you mean the standing of the country? if it doesn't improve our prospects and living standards, our prospects and living standards, our relationship with our closest neighbours, there is a massive reputational damage. please don't talk over each other. white shouldn't we go ahead and leave, i don't get it. you can respond and i will bring in chuka umunna. going out into the world means we can cut tariffs, make food cheaper, make everything cheaper and be better connected with the commonwealth and our friends. what would do ask if there was a so—called people‘s well, what with the question be? my personal view essentially, it‘s an issue for parliament and the commons to determine, my personal view would be to have a choice between except
in the prime ministers withdrawal agreement, presuming there is one or remaining and reforming the country from within the eu? 0ne remaining and reforming the country from within the eu? one thing, by the way... marcus, hang on, that is not going to surprise anybody, i don‘t want brexit to happen, essentially it isn‘t an argument about that, what we are talking about that, what we are talking about here is democracy and what makes our democracy in this country rich and vibrant is a dynamic thing, why else do we have general elections every a— i‘ve years. not a one party, one proposition state. you can't have the best of another general election. it's very different from a referendum, referendums are incredibly divisive. let him finish. marcus, carry on. it's absolutely right, there is a massive opportunity, leaving the eu will be good for britain, we will be able to get branded goods into britain more cheaply, will be able to get food cheaper, it's a very
positive thing and we shouldn't be afraid to say that. there is a lot of speculation about how good things will be after we leave europe but i think it's really important to focus on the facts about what has happened already in the last two years since the referendum. you say, hold on, hang on, i work in the nhs, here are some facts about what exit has already done to my patience in the nhs. i work in an nhs hospice caring for terminally ill inpatients, we have had to close a third of our inpatients that's because some of our very best european nurses from italy, portugal, spain have already gone back on because they have been made to feel so unwelcome and so unwanted post raikes said. that means, please let me finish marcus, it's rude to talk over me. that means there are patients who cannot get into my nhs hospice and be treated because of brexit, those are facts. i think you are riding this
on feelings, if people want to focus on feelings, if people want to focus o n fa cts on feelings, if people want to focus on facts instead of feelings, we often on facts instead of feelings, we ofte n get on facts instead of feelings, we often get it on the brexiteers side, everything was due to feelings, you are telling me that doctors and nurses are leaving because of their feelings, i love people from the eu, i love them. led meet some more messages, this says i voted remain but i am anti this campaign, doesn‘t mean every time we have a vote about anyissue mean every time we have a vote about any issue others have a right to try and change the majority? would they be any point in voting in the future? another says i demand a vote on any deal, let‘s notjust accept anything of the governor‘s eel, and 66 and this is the worst governed the uk has ever had in my lifetime. an e—mail says, i am fed up of hearing people moaning about the referendum result, i voted to leave andi referendum result, i voted to leave and i knew what i was hoping for, it means going out of the eu and everything tied to it, moving on to
world trade organisation rules and read negotiating a trade deal with the any country in the entire world which includes the eu. this doctor says by text should be another public vote, we elect governments every five years and voted every five years to keep it whether good or not. the information given on bogside was flawed so now we have more and correct info should not not work right seeing note to this. also coming up... household incomes have never been higher according to the government but new research from a charity suggests a couple earning —— working full—time earning a living wage cannot support their family and give them a good lifestyle. let‘s get the latest weather update with alina. good morning. a lot of misty and
murky weather around this morning. 0ver murky weather around this morning. over the coming week we will keep us warm and moist airflow over the coming week we will keep us warm and moist air flow for many with atlantic winds bringing rain at time, especially the further north you are. holding onto the warmth and humidity in the south, this is a daisy chain of france and affecting most of the weather, currently straddled across northern ireland and england, some patchy light rain and england, some patchy light rain and result descending into parts of wales and the midlands. any further you could get some rain. equally this morning cloud thinning and breaking to bring warm spells of sunshine and in the far north of scotla nd sunshine and in the far north of scotland in mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers. the win not as strong as the weekend, we saw some gale force winds for the western isles of scotland, strong gales for the southern coasts. we
get sunshine, temperatures reaching 25-26 to get sunshine, temperatures reaching 25—26 to greece, further is cloud, 18-26d, 25—26 to greece, further is cloud, 18—26d, fresher feel in the north of scotland. evening and night, could still squeeze the odd spot of rain for the midlands and northern england, else were mainly dry, mixture of variable cloud and clear spells, another very warm a warm and bloody night, temperatures not lower than 60—17d. cooler for the far north of scotland. similar day tomorrow, most places mainly dry, quite a lot of cloud but it will thin and break to give some spells of sunshine, particularly across central and eastern england, most of the cloud gathering across northern ireland, western and northern scotla nd ireland, western and northern scotland later in the afternoon. another cool field, further south still hoping to the warmth and humidity. into wednesday, we have this front across the country, tending to weaken as it slips southwards, still outbreaks of rain but a dividing line between the
cooler, fresher air to the north and the warmth and humidity further south, by the end of the week we will be in that fresher air. we expect the rain here on wednesday, stretching from the borders down through parts of northern england, into wales, a little getting into the midlands, to the north, spells of sunshine, fresher feel, the midlands, to the north, spells of sunshine, fresherfeel, though does have the rain is also working south eastwards and the head of that, mainly dry and warm and humid, temperatures reaching 25—26d. by the end of the week, we will all be in that fresher air, seeing spells of sunshine. hello, it‘s 10 o‘clock, i‘m victoria derbyshire. families living on a north london estate have exclusively told this programme that they are living in fear — after being told that their block of flats is at risk of collapse and they need to be out by october. now they just want to get us now theyjust want to get us and kick us out, putting us somewhere maybe worse. i‘ve never moved in my
life. to me it‘s hard just thinking about it, day by day. but what can i do? they have to kick us out, they have to kick us out. we‘ll be hearing from residents and a tower block safety campaigner about whether more towers are at risk. also — rats, cockroaches, and blood on the floor — the government takes over birmingham prison from gas after inspectors find ‘appalling violence and squalor‘. the things that have driven this serious collapse of first the fact that it prisoner got hold of some keys from the gas prison officer, that led to serious disturbances. the second big driver has been the drugs. the third, i‘m afraid, is basic issues of management and leadership. we‘ll hearfrom a campaigner for prison reform who had inspected birmingham jail and an incredible tale of survival — the british woman who fell
from a cruise ship and spent ten hours in the water and survived. eisele off the back of the norwegian star. ——i eisele off the back of the norwegian star. —— i fell off. eisele off the back of the norwegian star. —— ifell off. iwas in eisele off the back of the norwegian star. —— ifell off. i was in the water for star. —— ifell off. i was in the waterfor ten star. —— ifell off. i was in the water for ten hours and these wonderful guys rescued me. i‘m very lucky to be alive. we're trying to track down. we‘ll talk to an expert in sea survival. we will also talk to danielle lloyd about the vicious abuse she has received since saying she wants her next child to be a girl, and she is going to pay for gender selection. she has four boys. one of britain‘s biggest prisons is being taken over by the government after a damning report said its private operator — gas — had allowed it to fall
into a ‘state of crisis‘. inspectors found that some inmates at birmingham prison were too scared to emerge from their cells, and that staff had locked themselves in their offices. speaking to victoria earlier, our home affairs correspondent danny shaw described some of the incidents that had led the chief inspector of prisons peter clarke to make such a strong criticism of the prison. he highlighted two cases that he was really disturbed by. one, they came across a man distressed, sitting on some scruffy material on his bed, on the bedsprings. he said repeatedly, they have stolen my mattress. when they have stolen my mattress. when the inspectors made inquiries they discovered that had happened three days earlier. this man had been in his cell without a mattress for three days, and nothing had been done about it. there was another case of a troubled man who had a personal hygiene problem. they found he had been bullied by prisoners, who had stuck a fire hose through
the observation panel in his cell door, soaked him and his cell with water. the inspector said, how could this have possibly have been going on without any action being taken? it really showed just how out of control the prison was. a british woman is recovering this morning after falling from a cruise ship before being pulled from the water off the coast of croatia. this is the dramatic moment kay longstaff was rescued, 10 hours after falling from the norwegian star into the adriatic sea at around midnight on saturday. she was later taken to hospital in the croatian town of pula. a 29—year—old man is due to appear in court charged with attempting to murder members of the public and police officers in a suspected attack outside parliament. salih khater, of birmingham, is facing two counts of attempted murder, following the incident in westminster on tuesday.
three people were treated for non—life threatening injuries after the incident. a woman and her daughter remain in a critical condition in hospital after being attacked with a hammer in south—east london. the women — aged 6a and 30 — are said to have suffered devastating injuries as a result of the assault in eltham yesterday. a 27—year—old man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. dozens of elderly south koreans have crossed the border into north korea, for a reunion with family members they have not seen for more than 60 years. most of the 170 people taking part in the reunion programme are in their 90s. the families will be allowed to meet for 11 hours over three days, under close supervision by north korean officials. that‘s a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. 0na campaign on a campaign for a so—called people‘s vote, one viewer says, let the politicians get on with it, do we keep voting until the remainers get their way? i‘m disgusted they are not respecting the democratic
vote. you mentioned people should get their say through representatives, my mp is dominic raab, his constituents voted for a main, will he vote for his constituents? —— four remain. we will be talking to an expert about how that british woman survived in the sea after falling from a cruise ship in the adriatic. we hope to talk to somebody linked to the croatian rescue team that plucked herfrom croatian rescue team that plucked her from the water. get in touch, and if you are e—mailing and are happy to be contacted, and we can have a conversation, please include your phone number. jose mourinho says his manchester united team made incredible mistakes against brighton. they lost 3—2 at the amex stadium. the manager had warned about how difficult the season would be unless they strenghtened in defence, they failed to do that and his fears were realised on the south coast, glenn murray with the first of the brighton goals.
last season mourinho very publically criticised individual players but not this time. last season when i was critical of my team, i debated openly with you our performances, they were the ones that criticised me in a very hard way by going against my team, my players, i being too open. i am going to try to speak in a very happy way, when my players have great performances. but i will close myself when things are not going well. what won‘t have helped united‘s mood is that their defeat came right off the back of this: manchester city‘s 6—1 win at home to huddersfield that included a sergio aguero hatrick that sees the champions sit top of the table one of 5 teams
with maximum points. manchester united‘s women made their competitive return 13 years after they were disbanded. lizzy yarnold got the goal. casey stoney as their coach and had just six weeks to get the squad together. england‘s cricketers are heading for defeat in the third test against india, losing all ten wickets in the afternoon session. from 5a without loss at trent bridge they were bowled out for 161. hardik pandya took 5 for 28. india will resume on 12a for two. england are currently 2—0 up in the series. model turned tv personality danielle lloyd has said she‘ll
seek gender selection when she has her next baby, to ensure she has a little girl next time around. danielle already has four young sons. but she says that she‘s been viciously hounded by trolls since making the comments, who‘ve called her "selfish" and "disgusting". we can talk to her now. thanks are talking to us. you have four beautiful boys, you desperately want a girl, just explain why? adjusting for may, personally, i‘ve got such a strong bond with my mum —— just for me, personally, i‘ve got such a strong bond with my mum, spending time and doing girly stuff, having that mother and daughter bond, that is what i want. with boys, they are so loving, i have an amazing experience with them, but i think as boys grow older they drift off and find their own girlfriends, but a mother and daughter relationship is so different. you are so determined
to have a girl that you are going to pay for gender selection in the united states? yes, i am. how does that work? basically, it is like ivf. they make the embryo outside of the womb and they know if it is female or male, so then they implant one or two eggs. if you just get one, it might not work, if it is two, you might get twins. you get to decide. with any other embryos they have made, they will freeze them in case you want to go back and then have more children. it is legal in the states, illegal here, what do you think of that? you know what, i get it, i get why it is illegal. 0bviously get it, i get why it is illegal. obviously in some countries, like china, where they are only allowed one child, if that happened
everywhere we would probably have a population of just boys, everywhere we would probably have a population ofjust boys, because a lot of people want boys first. for me, personally, i have got four boys. it is just something me, personally, i have got four boys. it isjust something i long for. i don‘t want to get to 50 or 60 and not have done it, and have thought to myself, why, why didn‘t i do it when i had the chance? you have received some pretty vicious abuse, personal messages to you, not on your public profile, because there is quite a lot of supportive m essa 9 es there is quite a lot of supportive messages on social media. what kind of criticism have you had?” messages on social media. what kind of criticism have you had? i think it has been more from women who cannot actually have children. i don‘t think they can understand why i wouldn‘t just be don‘t think they can understand why i wouldn‘tjust be happy with the children that i‘ve got. you know what, i do totally get where they are coming from as well, because if i was are coming from as well, because if iwas in are coming from as well, because if i was in their position, i don‘t know how i would cope, because my kids are my life. i do get where
they are coming from. it‘s just been really ha rd to they are coming from. it‘s just been really hard to deal with. when i came out and said i was getting gender selection, i didn‘t really think about it before i said it. i understand the criticism, but it is obviously hard to deal with. what kind of things have you been caught? disgusting, selfish, people think i should be thankful for the children that i‘ve got. and i am thankful for them, i love my kids. if i could have 20 kids, i would, them, i love my kids. if i could have 20 kids, iwould, but financially i don‘t think i would be able to. this will be my last child, andi able to. this will be my last child, and i am hoping that people can understand why i am doing it. is it true that one woman who couldn‘t have children asked you for some of your eggs? yes, i wasjust shell—shocked. i didn‘t know what to say. 0bviously shell—shocked. i didn‘t know what to say. obviously i didn‘t even think about the fact that i could actually do that. is it something you would consider? i think it is something that i would have to sit down with
my partner and speak about. it is something you couldn‘t just my partner and speak about. it is something you couldn‘tjust decide on the spot. i think it would take quite a lot of time to figure out whether it was something you wanted to do. i wouldn‘t say never right now. how does the online abuse make you feel? you know what, it has made me really sad, and it has made me sad for the people that have actually been abusing me. as a woman, i haven‘t had to worry about the fact that i‘ve not got any children. this does make me really sad for them people. but it‘s been sad for them people. but it‘s been sad for them people. but it‘s been sad for me as well to have to deal with the online abuse. it has probably made me a bit stronger and wiser to the fact that sometimes i shouldn‘t speak, i should think before i speak. a quick final one, you probably know the world health 0rganization says six —— sex selection can lead to imbalance,
what you think about the ethics of choosing the sex of your baby?” what you think about the ethics of choosing the sex of your baby? i was speaking about this to somebody, i think if somebody got gender selection for their first child, i think that would be wrong. i think you should be thankful for what you have got, you are going to have a baby, but i have got four boys so it is not... i don‘t see it as unethical, i see it as for me, i have produced four boys and now i would love a little girl. there is nothing saying i‘m actually going to be able to have one, because some women are not able to carry boys, some are not able to carry girls. we arejust some are not able to carry girls. we are just hopeful that it will work for us. thank you for talking to us. the government has had to take back control of birmingham jail from private company gas after the chief inspector of prisons said it had fallen
into a "state of crisis". peter clarke identified squalid conditions, heavy drug use and regular outbreaks of violence at the jail. the prisons minister, rory stewart, admitted things had reached "rock bottom" gas run three very good prisons. the other three prisons, they have been praised by the inspectors are some of the best in the country. particularly in terms of what they do in terms of education, worked, turning around prisoners lives. i‘m afraid in this case it is a fundamentalfailure afraid in this case it is a fundamental failure of leadership and management. we had hoped that gas bringing in a experienced governor would make a difference, it didn‘t, which is why we had to make the difficult decision to step in ourselves. i‘m joined by francis crook from the howard league for penal reform, who campaign to reduce the prison population and improve conditions within jails. she tried to inspect birmingham prison two years ago but struggled to get a picture of what it was
like. wendy is on the phone and her husband has been an inmate inside the prison, it was last year, i think. what did he tell you about conditions inside? it was a hellhole, to be honest. he was classed as an enhanced prisoner. but things went awry and he ended up behind his doorfor things went awry and he ended up behind his door for about three months. what do you mean behind his door? you didn‘t go out of his cell? no, he couldn‘t, he was fearful for his life. without naming names, what was he afraid of? death, really. dying. he was frightened he was going to get killed by the other inmates. wow. and what changed? nothing, really. he ended up getting a transfer out to another prison, luckily. but that was kind of three
months later. the nurses were not bringing his medication, because they were fearful of going onto the wing. the guards can‘t give medication out. he would be lucky if he got one meal a day brought to him. he is in a state run prison now with six to eight guards in a wing, in birmingham they had two. stay with us, i want to bring in france is from the howard league for penal reform. your reaction to the fact that the government is taking over the running of the jail?” that the government is taking over the running of the jail? i think it isa the running of the jail? i think it is a brave decision by the prisons minister, i think it is the right decision. it should happen more often when things go wrong like this. i don‘t want to see it handed back to gas. i think their failure has been so catastrophic, they are not a suitable company to run a prison. they run other prisons successfully? yes, but it is the
second time it has happened, they used to run a private prison for children, panorama exposed there was abuse against children, they were fiddling the records so the company didn‘t get a fine. fiddling the records so the company didn't get a fine. they also run a number of places like 0ak—wood, successfully? it is doing 0k number of places like 0ak—wood, successfully? it is doing ok now, but it was a disaster for years. for the years when it first opened, it was a disaster area. it is not fair to say it is a successful prison. it is at the moment, but it may not be tomorrow. how do you respond to what wendy was saying, that her husband was afraid to leave his cell, he could not get his medication, because nurses were afraid to come onto the wing, fearful of other inmates attacking them? this is a prison out of control, poorly managed and poorly run, with not
enough experienced staff. the report, the letter from the chief inspector and the letter from the independent monitoring board, who are members of the public who go in and give their time for free, voluntarily to caoimhin hynes on the prison, what they are saying is that there was vomit, blood, that the place was awash with drugs and violent. that puts staff at risk. i don‘t blame the staff. it is clearly a management issue. it puts the public at risk, because these people come out and they are more likely to be addicted to drugs, they will be unemployable, they will have lost contact with their families and they are more likely to commit another crime, possibly a more violent crime than the one that got them in there in the first place. the chief inspector said that groups of staff had locked themselves in their own offices. meanwhile, there are ministry ofjustice, government officials on site permanently. how
do you react to the fact this was not picked up earlier, it hasn‘t happened earlier? that is an important question that needs answering. there are monitors in the private prisons and theirjob is to monitor the contracts so that the company complies with the contract. they are not really there to monitor the way that the prison is running. there is a contradiction there. there is a contradiction there. there are only a few of them. it was the chief inspector and the independent monitoring board that picked up what was going on. i think the independent monitoring boards are incredibly important and they are incredibly important and they are the people that picked up one thing that was happening in the prison. they had been writing to ministers for years and had been ignored. iam pleased ministers for years and had been ignored. i am pleased they are taking it seriously now. i hope they will take it seriously when any problems arrive in prison. thank you for coming in. thank you wendy,
wendy‘s husband was in birmingham jailfrom march wendy‘s husband was in birmingham jail from march until august, wendy‘s husband was in birmingham jailfrom march until august, and he described it as a hellhole and was afraid to come out of his cell for of of being attacked by other inmates, forfear of of of being attacked by other inmates, for fear of being of of being attacked by other inmates, forfear of being killed. gas gave this statement. they say birmingham isa gas gave this statement. they say birmingham is a remand prison, which features many challenges, including violence. the well—being and safety of prisoners and prison staff is our priority and we welcome the six—month step in and the opportunity to work with the ministry ofjustice to urgently address the issues faced. coming up... the remarkable tale of one woman‘s survival. the passenger who‘s been named as kay longstaff fell from a cruise ship into the adriatic sea and spent ten hours in the water. she told reporters she was very lucky to be alive. we‘ll be hearing from an expert on sea survival
when theresa may became prime minister she made this promise on the steps of downing street. hopefully we have got the clip? if you are from an ordinary family, things are more difficult than westminster realises. you canjust about manage, but you worry about the cost of living and getting your kids into a good school. if you are one of those families, if you are just managing, i want to address you directly. i know you‘re working around the clock, i know you‘re doing your best, and i know that sometimes life can be a struggle. the government i lead will be driven not by the interests of the privileged few, but by yours. we will do everything we can to give you more control over your lives. when we take the big calls, we‘ll think not of the powerful, but you. when we pass new laws, we‘ll listen not to the mighty but to you.
when it comes to taxes, we‘ll prioritise not the wealthy, but you. when it comes to opportunity, we won‘t entrench the advantages of the fortunate few. we will do everything we can to help anybody, whatever your background, to go as far as your talents will take you. research suggests that some parents working full time are unable to provide theirfamily working full time are unable to provide their family with a no—frills lifetime. —— lifestyle. a couple on what the government calls the national living wage with two children would be £a9 a week short of the income needed, according to the child poverty action group. the national living wage
is currently £7.83 an hour for those aged over 25. the government says household incomes have never been higher and there are 1 million fewer people living in absolute poverty than in 2010. let‘s talk to two people who say they‘re struggling. alison derby works full—time and says her rent is going up and her income isn‘t. in newcastle, is robert petch, who is a single dad with two children, he used to be a taxi driver until it broke down. also with us labour mp frank field who is chair of the work and pensions select committee. welcome to all of you. robert, let‘s begin with you. tell us about the financial pressure you have been under over the last few years. well, since i went on to universal credit, i lost £500 a month, between £500 and £600 a month. it hasjust been a struggle since then. i had to quit myjob on the advice of the jobcentre. we haven‘t recovered at
all yet. how much of a struggle is it? how much pressure do you feel under? a lot. we have been homeless for 12 months, we have onlyjust settled into a new home. it is just a daily battle to find food and clothes for the children. remind us how old your children are? my daughter is 13, my son is ten. how do you try to insulates them from this? or is it impossible? it is impossible. wejust this? or is it impossible? it is impossible. we just struggle every day. you have stopped opening the mail, why? well, not now, but i had in the past. bills were mounting up. i have rent arrears. i was in danger
of losing my house and i couldn‘t cope with the pressure i was under. i‘m going to bring in alisson, sitting alongside me in the studio. alison, your scenario is slightly different in that you work, you have a good job. you get £18,000 a year in london, and it‘s not enough. explain why? i got my job when i first left university, i had worked in pubs before and when i left university i couldn't find a job. the jobcentre said they could not help me because i had been a student andl help me because i had been a student and i had not been paying in, even though i had worked since the age of 13. i managed to find somewhere, but it was about £850 a month. i asked my boyfriend, could you live with me, we can do this together, i can't afford it on my own. the first year we nt afford it on my own. the first year went by and the rent went up by £50. i thought, i can't really afford this. i went and got anotherjob. i was working seven days a week. the
contract came up again and the rent we nt contract came up again and the rent went up another£50. contract came up again and the rent went up another £50. it has now got to £1000 a month i have been paying for the last year. i have ian whitney twojobs, to for the last year. i have ian whitney two jobs, to the fact when my parents asked me to stop because they were concerned about my mental health. it was starting to fail and i was going to lose both of myjobs. that is not sustainable? it is not, especially when there is no end in sight. you can do it if you think it isjust six months, just for one year. if you know there is no end in sight and you are going to have to work like this forever, it is soul crushing, to be honest. every day you are waking up and you are absolutely tired, going into it, making mistakes, you are not the person that you were. when i first started, i was quite outgoing, i was quite bubbly, a bit of the class clown. now ijust put my headphones on, i'm barely bothered to talk to anybody. you have had to move, you have managed to find somewhere
cheaper? yes, my boyfriend's friend has a three bedroomed place she had managed to get because she had children. the children moved out and they had a room they could rent, because she is in the same situation, can't pay her for rent. what is the most important change that would help somebody like you? rent, seriously. if there was enough housing and i didn't have slumlord landlords thatjust housing and i didn't have slumlord landlords that just walk into your house when they feel like it and don't bother to repair things, if you had some decent legal backing, somewhere people like me can go when the landlord is taking the mickey or putting the rent up again and again, and again, because you can't do anything. there is nobody to turn to to say this isn't fair. frank field, how do you react to this research from the child poverty action group, suggesting low earning parents working full—time are still unable
to provide their family with a really basic kind of lifestyle? you have too — — really basic kind of lifestyle? you have too —— two examples, robert showing the effects of the benefit cuts, the main form by which chancellor george osborne says he managed to correct the deficit. robert and his family are on the receiving end of that. the biggest cuts to try to balance the books have hit families with children. alison, who got this incredible example of somebody, a household with three wage earners, i'm still not being able to manage. i would think that these messages should be a clarion call to the chancellor, as the rumours are that he has some spare money this time, one to actually coming robert pub condition, all of those families that have borne the cost of alan singh the books, that those with children should be getting real
increases in benefits for children, —— balancing the books, and making this play that interest rates are still very low, why isn't the government seriously building homes to bring prices down? they would say last year they met their targets of new homes, although only 19% were classed as affordable? all-around us here there are people putting up homes. but most of us couldn't possibly expect to live there. homes with rents that we can pay for. the cobra says household incomes have never been higher. —— the government. the national living wage, which is what the government calls it, has delivered the highest pay increase for the lowest paid in 20 years, with £2000 extra per year for full—time workers and they have increased the tax—free personal allowa nce. increased the tax—free personal allowance. they have allowed you to burn more before you pay tax. there are two things. first it's
good we have a national minimum wage, that's reviewed regularly, i have no goblins with that, one of the most important thing is the coalition government did, but what you read i did was read out earlier, a million more people in absolute poverty, is that not right? that's hardly something to go around claiming something to be proud of all of this1 million claiming something to be proud of all of this 1 million fewer living in absolute poverty. icy, nevertheless, what we have an example of here is that money incomes can rise but rises are rising faster, real incomes fall, robert gibb is the example of that, he has a budget every day to feed his children, alison has given us an example, despite some wage increases landlords take more than that. let me ask robert and alison finally, theresa may said on the steps of
downing street two ago that she would help the ball she described as just about managing a she described them, what do you say to her, to yours on? robert? iwasjust them, what do you say to her, to yours on? robert? i wasjust about managing but i‘m not now, not at all. i‘m quite annoyed, really, to be honest. and what's your message to the prime minister? they need to have a look at the whole universal credit system, especially for self—employed people, this coin to put a lot of people out of business and back on the unemployment list. alison, what do you say to the prime minister if she happened to be watching? if she happened to be watching? if she happened to be watching a two stop selling all the affordable housing to her friends, give people who need to buy at the opportunity, it's ridiculous, nine
times out of ten they were all what i want person or two people who stick the rent up three times higher. i'm not sure she selling them to her friends higher. i'm not sure she selling them to herfriends but higher. i'm not sure she selling them to her friends but anyway, higher. i'm not sure she selling them to herfriends but anyway, i get the broad point of view is it. why it shouldn't she listen to these two please? and you all for coming an incredible story of survival at sea. a a6 year old british woman has survived after falling from a cruise ship off the coast of croatia. the country‘s coastguard says she was rescued 10 hours after falling into the adriatic sea — 60 miles offshore — around midnight on saturday. the woman — who has been named as a6—year—old kay longstaff —spoke to reporters as she was brought to safety. i fell off the back of the norwegian star and i was in the water for ten hours. so these wonderful guys rescued me. your name is? kay. i am very lucky to be alive. where are you from?
from england. how old are you? i am a6 and i was sitting at the back of the deck... so many more questions, aren‘t there? joining me now is the sea survival expert mike tipton and on the phone we have david radas, croatian ministry of maritime affairs spokesman q. hello to you, i wonder if you could tell a small details about how klong staff fell off the back of this cruise liner? hello to you too, i am not a spokesperson for the ministry but but it‘s not that important right now. information about the rescue of the british citizen, kay,
we re rescue of the british citizen, kay, were released yesterday, after the receiving of the report from croatian national centre for search and rescue at sea, in which are officials reported the rescue of miss kay from the sea. do you know how she fell off the back of the ship? right now we are not in possession, of the police investigation or progress. so there isa investigation or progress. so there is a police investigation, is there? that will be... inaudible. let me bring in mike tipton, how does
someone survive in the adriatic for ten hours? things have to work in your favour. the two biggest things, water temperature and the water temperature was in the high 205, not that much different to a swimming pool that much different to a swimming pool. the other thing is it has to be pretty calm waters so you're not struggling to keep your air way above the water for all of the time, those fighters were present at this particular case. what do you think of the fact she managed to survive? well, we could have predicted her survival because when it happens, it's still something to be very pleased with, because often they don't. so as much, the psychological aspect of being in a situation where you think maybe you won't be rescued for ten hours but in terms of the physical and physiological demand, the lady in question was in an
absolutely perfect scenario, if you had to be in a survival situation you'd want to be in warm, calm water. the fatuous also female meant she finds it reasonably easy to float and so she's not working so ha rd float and so she's not working so hard to keep her away clear, so exhausted and would not be a problem. —— the fact that she was also female. why is it easier to float if she is a woman? because women have about 10% greater amount of body fat naturally, males and females can float, the body on average is less dense than water, particularly saltwater but because females have an additional layer of fat that gives them more buoyancy and adults who gives them more protection from the cold. so, if you had to be someone going into the water you will be female rabbit than male. right, it's reported although not confirmed that she has training
as an air stewardess, that training may have helped of course. yes, i mean anything that teaches you to remain calm and not to panic and to think things through in an emergency situation is to be of benefit and also, that keeping a calm, positive mental attitude is something that helps you into your ford was a lengthy period of survival. thank you very much for talking to us, we appreciated, both of you. families living in a north london tower block, which is at risk of collapsing, have told this programme they are living in fear. 87 families have been told they must leave their homes on the broadwater farm estate by the end of october, but so far only 19 have accepted the alternative accommodation they‘ve been offered. safety tests were run in the wake of the grenfell tower fire — and found the building could fall if there was a gas explosion, because of of they way it‘s been built. we‘ll be talking about this in a moment, but first here‘s a short extract from noel phillips‘
report we showed you earlier. the future is uncertain for some of the the 87 households on this north london estate. they are being forced from their flats after been suddenly told injune this year by haringey council that their block is at risk of collapse because of a construction fault that‘s been known about for years but only now being addressed. in a way, i have made this my home. and now, all of a sudden, theyjust want to get us and kick us out, and put us somewhere that may be worse. patrick started squatting in tangmere, the block that is being evacuated, when he was 21. you‘ve lived here a long time? 30 years. i‘ve never moved in my life, so to me it‘s hard just thinking about it day. in the wake of grenfell, structural tests were carried out on all the tower blocks on this estate. tangmere was built using a large panel system in the 1970s. it‘s the same kind of construction which caused a section of this high—rise block, ronan point, to
collapse 50 years ago. haringey council has told residents that the risk of a similar collapse is low, but a threat sufficiently high that they need to be moved out. how are you feeling at the moment? i‘m feeling bad because i‘m scared. and my children, if i go to work and leave my children at home, i‘m scared because i don‘t know what is going to happen. it‘s a combination of the large panel system of construction and gas supply that makes this block unsafe. this is my bedroom. this is all packing, see. archbishop frimpong has already started packing. he says the council has neglected the building for some time. you can see the damp in this place, everywhere. a lot of the people are suffering. every situation they call me, you go to somebody flat,
you see the number of damp, leaking and everything. so, why? the neglect of the block over many years might have put residents health at risk. but did the council also fail to heed warnings about the danger to people‘s lives? we‘ve been told by one expert who raised concerns as far back as the 1980s that residents have long been at risk. well, the council has always had people at risk here ever since they put the gas in in the 80s. in the mid to late 80s, the building research establishment did a report on large panel systems saying that they were dangerous and you should regularly check them. what has happened to those reports? what has happened to all the reports in between? lord heseltine, who was responsible for reviving rundown estates in high poverty areas in the 1980s, wants the government to offer more support to local authorities. i‘d like to see far more power from london switched to local people and local authorities, and local communities. despite patrick‘s crumbling flat,
he is reluctant to move without assurances of a better life. the council says of the 87 residents in tangmere, 60 have been offered alternative accommodation, but only 19 have so far accepted their offers. we can speak now to jacob secker — who lives in tangmere — the block being evacuated. nora mulready is a resident in haringey and former case worker to david lammy, the area‘s local mp. frances clarke — a tower block safety campiagner and co—founder of tower blocks uk which was set up in the wake of grenfell to support tenants. and hannah brack — a housing researcher who has been looking into large panel system blocks. thank you all of you for coming on the programme, jacob, what would you say the mood is on the estate at the
moment. angry because of the lack of proper consultation, we need a balance on the future of the estate, it affects the future of all the estate. —— a ballot. without a ballot, there is no guarantee that any promise made on the future of rebuilding will be safe. the council do not want to give us that ballot and that the nice us are choices and our rights given to us by the greater london authority and it‘s symptomatic of a general attitude of the council, the slap bash attitude of the council towards our estate and the residents of these blogs in particular. you say it's symptomatic ofa particular. you say it's symptomatic of a slapdash and jude, obviously we asked for an interview and we have a statement from the cabinet minister for housing, we are working with residents to find needs, a number of residents to find needs, a number of residents have been found new homes to understand their needs and address concerns they may have, they
understand they say it‘s cause disruption and we would like to thank them for the corporation, residents are our absolute priority and we are committed to providing a safe and decent home for everyone affected. i'm sorry, that's not the case, we‘ve been treated like second—class citizens. we have residents who have been asked to move to smaller homes, this is happening on the estates, they are not being asked to move to smaller homes, we are told we only get the homeless payment when we agreed to demolition. in other estates, they are not being told that, they are getting better rights than us, even the lovely mistake in tottenham, they had better rights because that‘s being knocked down, they are getting better rights than us. we are being treated like second class of d oze ns are being treated like second class of dozens on the broadwater farm estates a nd of dozens on the broadwater farm estates and it has to stop now. —— lovelane. how do you think the government is handling this? not
very well but not the same reasons asjacob, the very well but not the same reasons as jacob, the council very well but not the same reasons asjacob, the council has been given that says the blocks are unsafe and need to come down, most people have lifted it and said they need to come down, demolished and rebuilt, that is the preferred option of the but actually because of pressure from groups like defend council housing he had a very political approach to these kind of issues, they are acquiescing to a ballot. they are balloting residents on whether the property should be wished and rebuilt further they should be repaired, despite the fact that all of the professional advice is saying they need to come down, they need to be rebuilt, the idea that you would turn this issue... essentially they are not prepared to take responsibility for this decision so irresponsible council would say the decision as clear cut, we just need to make it and give the residents the certainty... i want to broaden this out to the rest of the country, hannah, how would someone watching
right now who lived in a similar block of flats in all their block of flats was safe or not? it's a bit tricky. they wouldn't. you do not, it's not that obvious, the obvious things there are huge large panels of concrete, you can see in the construction, they form separate panels, from the main construction. but the way they can find out is to ask the council, seek confirmation of how the building was constructed, what method was it that was used and when the approval date, not just the beginning of the construction, when that started, when the plans were approved for construction, when was the planning one by the local authority, in the 19605, because that has a bearing on the type of specification of the design plans are put into place. france is, what you think of the fact some of these problems have been known about for decades? listen to the first two
speakers, why is it every time an issue comes up with large panel systems we treated... these are the big things, yes. the ronan point house of cards design, we treated as if it‘s come from nowhere, we‘ve known about it since roman point collapsed and we need the government to ta ke collapsed and we need the government to take a lead, we need them to take responsibility, rather than every local authority designing its own strategy for investigating the blocks, dealing with tenant issues, let‘s have a uniform national response. “— let‘s have a uniform national response. —— ronan point. local authorities were directed to build large syste m authorities were directed to build large system tenant blocks. it was in response to the housing shortage of the time, divorce and local authorities who thought it up for themselves, on the ronan point estate, newham council asked the minister of housing to build two blocks and the ministry of housing said he won‘t give up for a deeper that but we will give authority for
nine 22 story blocks with 1000 flats, you were actually being directed to build large panel systems, semantic responsibility that behaviour and standardise all the testing, standardise the response, don‘t let different groups of structural engineers looking at different blocks coming up with different blocks coming up with different analysis and different responses. . . different analysis and different responses... hannah, how many blocks do you think might be affected?” have one 575 confirmed, that means the method of construction is listed along with the original development plan... does that mean 500 blocks confirmed on safe? as far as i am concerned, yes, but i'm not a structural engineer, they need expert advice, any demolition is going on now they need to be investigated, photographed, catalogued, in the public domain so we can see the type of construction that was being carried out according to the differences does. france, would you agree? we have asked the
building research establishment to use one of the blocks that is going to be demolished to be tested so that happened when ronan point was eventually demolished and 86, the building research establishment came in, it was given to the establishment and carried out a range of tests and it was an open site so the media were there, could look, everyone could see what was found. that‘s what we need to do now because the big worry... let me ask jacob and nora, is that a good idea? i think it's a good idea, you can turn this into a political idea. and one of the problems with having a ballot on issues like this, you then turn estates into, lots of campaigning goes on on this, people getting leaflets, told different things, told they are not allowed to come back to thursday. they are told lots of things. and ijust add,
there are further 1000 that i need confirmation from the local authorities if they are not bad, what are they stop and finally jacob. central government has to fund this, there has to be a ballot, without a ballot we can't guarantee if they will build social housing, council housing on the site. it is not a council housing on the site. it is nota binding council housing on the site. it is not a binding guarantee. it has to be binding guarantee, not an empty promise. we will follow what happens as the deadline for people to move out, the end of october approaches and thank you for your patience. for the last year we‘ve been following the plight of the rohingya people; this week marks a year since they started to flee their home country of myanmar to escape violence and persecution. most of them ended up in bangladeshi refugee camps — like cox‘s bazar, where they still live today. the charity oxfam is warning that women in the camps are not safe. unsuitable facilities mean they‘re
developing health problems, and are at risk of abuse. the myanmar government has denied the rohingyas citizenship, meaning they are unable to return home. so what must now be done to make conditions in the crowded refugee camps better? let‘s speak now to dorothy sang, oxfam‘s campaign manager in bangladesh. she has been working in the camps and is due to return there tomorrow. and matthew saltmarsh is from the unhcr, the un‘s refugee agency. welcome both of you, tell our audience, sitting at home watching this, or in offices or at work who can‘t, who don‘t have an idea of how bad it is in some of these camps, describe it for us. the situation is pretty grim, you have a million people living in a space that is no bigger than watford, it means there are issues around sanitation, and
people living in close proximity to each other. what we have found over the last year is that organisations like oxfam, the un, we launched a response at breakneck speed, people who had come withjust response at breakneck speed, people who had come with just the clothes on their backs, with a year on, we need to look at other than just being able to feed them and provide them shelter and clean water we need to look at if we can reach the most vulnerable and we know that as women and girls. the stories i‘ve been told, that you‘ve seen the menus are horrific about what women endured in my unmarked and now they are here in bangladesh we need to make sure they are safe and what we have found is that a third of women tell us in a recent survey that they don‘t feel safe moving around the camp. —— myanmar. that has indications whether they can go and receive food to feed their families but also using the toilets, so women have told me they are limiting what they
are eating or drinking so that they have to use the toilets lest frequently. the cause they are afraid of... there is harassment, hundreds of cases of gender waste violence reported each week. but also there are things like lighting, there is no lighting in a lot of the camps, women don‘t feel safe moving around the consequence of as well, we‘ve heard of women urinating or defecating in their own showers or just outside her shelter to avoid using those facilities which is hugely problematic and dangerous now we are in the monsoon season because of contamination. let me bring in matthew, sorry to interrupt, how do you respond to what dorothy from oxfa m you respond to what dorothy from oxfam is saying. i very much agree, the situation has been going on for a year, a year ago this population was forced to flee by terrible persecution, driven over the border. bank believe the bangladeshi
government opened the border and granted them international protection. the first year has been about the emergency response, setting up the structures in the largest, the biggest concentration concentration of refugees anywhere in the world. so the work that has been done has been for example putting inroads, 82 kilometres of roads gone in, building 3200 metres of bridging, as was mentioned, preparing the structures and the people for the monsoon which by the way has been the most intense in many years. that involves relocating people to higher ground, reinforcing showers, digging drainage systems, putting in sandbags. what has happened has been very commendable, the training has been positive. the damage has been minimal. but are these refugees going to stay there? you talked about the infrastructure built, you talk about the safety side of things which needs massive improvement, are they going to stay
there, is this it, this is why the infrastructure needs to be built? there is no easy solution to this. what is clear is that there needs to be diplomatic pressure so that the rohingya can go home. at the moment thatis rohingya can go home. at the moment that is not the case. what we need to focus on is keeping people safe, how do we give them what they need to survive what they are in bangladesh. that is why oxfam is calling for 15% of new funding coming in to look at how we tackle some of the issues facing women and girls as we know they are the most honourable. what's that in pounds... so for example the world bank funding, if we were looking at 15%, it is about 57 million, a huge amount but it‘s so vital in order to reduce vulnerability. we talked about the last 12 months and the immediate short term, what people think needs to be done, what about longer term? there have been discussions with the myanmar of amount by the unhcr, preliminary
discussions but we start from the point that conditions are not right for the return right now. when you are in the camp, you talked to the refugees, they say perhaps ultimately they would want to go home but not in the current conditions, not when there is not safety and very importantly, not when there is not citizenship or pa rt when there is not citizenship or part citizenship. we think several steps need to take place before we can even think about that and the first is to have unfettered access to rakine state. that is the state from which they came. exactly. that hasn't happened. once that occurs, then it's very important that the rohingya themselves are able to move around freely, to go to school, clinics, pick up their livelihood and finally this whole issue of statelessness, the wrecking cup or the largest stateless population in the largest stateless population in the world, that needs to be addressed so they have those guarantees that what has occurred before would happen again in the future. thank you both very much for
coming in. thank you for watching today. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. have a good day. hello, good morning. it‘s rather warm and humid out there for many of us, especially across england and wales. pressure further north across scotland, lots of loud at there, some patchy rain and drizzle. that was the scene in aberdeenshire, bits of cloutier, sunny spells breaking through the cloud to northern scotland. there will be some breaks in the cloud toward central and eastern parts of england this afternoon. elsewhere remaining cloudy, the chance of light rain and drizzle on time to time,
temperatures 18—25— 26 degrees, where the sun comes out, feeling quite warm. tonight we continue with afairamount of quite warm. tonight we continue with a fair amount of cloud, some patchy mist and drizzle again around the coast of wales, western areas of england, warm and muggy night for many, temperatures no law at than 15-17d, many, temperatures no law at than 15—17d, fresher further north across scotland. tuesday, quite a bit of cloud, that cloud thinning and breaking, sunny spells developing, quite a warm and humid day, why is of 25 degrees. goodbye. this is bbc news. these are the top stories
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