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i'm sharanjit leyl in singapore. with reporters at an ill—tempered press co nfe re nce . cnn should be asdhamed of itself having you working for them. you are a rude, terrible about america's sustainability as a working democracy. as a working democracy. person... i think that means you have the bring people together. the bring people together. of the russia investigation. i'm babita sharma in london. if we do not fix it, we're going to be in trouble. we're going to be in trouble. do you see him doing that? triggered angry protests. do not see enough leaders in america from either side. from either side. and 100 years on, we remember the 1. from south asia who fought in the first world about it but actually acting in that way, and i think it is time. way, and i think it is time. war. ok, but you talk about a crisis in leadership, why? in leadership, why? this is well, i think that we have a number of activities. a number of bbc world activities. news. it's newsday. and politicians can push their own personal agenda and well—being.
personal agenda and good well—being. incentivised very extreme on the left and right. on the left and right. we pulll at people's emotions. morning. which excite people to generate support and excitement. support and excitement. in mid—term elections. that is engaged and willing to compromise. willing to compromise. your latest book, leaders: myth and reality. myth and reality. would you describe president trump as a successful leader? as a successful leader? that he has not been successful by his metrics. by his metrics. to push a number of items in his agenda. items in his agenda. so he has been effective at doing that. at doing that. he has been successful by a certain set of metrics. by a certain set of metrics.
but you cannot argue that he has had success. that he has had success. has he been a good leader? you would say, no? effective or not that is one measure, good or bad. measure, good or bad. i do not believe he has been the leader in america needs. the leader in america needs. i think the leader america needs really comes from inside americans. really comes from inside americans. are and we need to decide what our nation is. what our nation is. what is our character? what are our values? how do we want to be viewed in the world? viewed in the world? what do we want to leave for our grandchildren? for our grandchildren? from that, you can go who our leader should be. who our leader should be. for the leader they feel they have not had. they have not had. in american politics for probably decades. for probably decades.
almost since the end of the second world war. of the second world war. and culturally and feels helpless politically and they have a point. politically and they have a point. it is an absolutely legitimate view. is the wrong answer to the right question and i think it is true. question and i think it is true. i think it is fair to question our political system. our political system. it is fair to question the direction we were going. the direction we were going. who is more populist than a long—term leader. united states, the caravan, as it is cold. cold. he has referred to it as an invasion, is it? in my
view, no. does it represent something different as a military man? different as a military man? are: of russian tanks taking over the country. the country. emotion and willingness for a certain action. certain action. nations must control of their border. of their border. our borders without our permission and agreement. and agreement. it is hard to do but that should be the goal. that should be the goal. said, nations should be compassionate. compassionate. we should have effect if immigration laws. if immigration laws. guatemala and had jurors, it is hard to consider them in vegas. -- honduras.
honduras. 15,000 us soldiers to the border to control it. control it. pushback from very senior military figures. would you be among them. pushback from very senior military figures. figures. would you be among themm is not the move would recommend. is not the move would recommend. should be viewed separately from should we control our border? should we control our border? should not be a debate, that is something as a nation we should do. something as a nation we should do. are not going to shoot the invaders because that is inaccurate. because that is inaccurate. did in mexico, we would consider that
a firearm. that a firearm. implicit in that is the idea they might be shot. the idea they might be shot. they potentially shoot immigrants moving forward. moving forward. james dunn, who oversaw the iraqi police. police. whether it is useful by partisan, political reasons. political reasons. it is something that democracy should avoid. that democracy should avoid. this is just about the sending. just about the sending. i think he's a bright. a bright. back in history as you can record it. it. particularly for internal
domestic politics. politics. then say, well, we should not control our borders. control our borders. we need to make sure that is clear. sure that is clear. around the political rhetoric and forget it. forget it. came forward and it we used physical force ? came forward and it we used physical force? force? put in that position is unconscionable. unconscionable. gave you is wrong, execute the order we should have given you. we should have given you. border, would you define the president ‘s border? border, would you define the president 's border? president 's border? consider shooting innocent civilians any
legal order. any legal order. there are rules of engagement put out. engagement put out. have the right if theyjust disagree with policy. with policy. woodward's book, white house aids have been questioning the president. have been questioning the president. is reporters as saying, we are not there to do any of that. there to do any of that. i do not know more about it. know more about it. but that is the right approach?
if it is illegal,. with it, it you should argue with that and make a counter claim. that and make a counter claim. you cannot live with it, you should resign. resign. if you just find that it is not a good idea. not a good idea. civilian leadership of the government. government. military does not hit and choose what it wants to do. what it wants to do. the country and that is not the american constitution. american constitution.
over the time when it was talk about sending more troops to afghanistan. sending more troops to afghanistan. absence of trust, that the effects would costly. in what? in lives? harder and potentially costly in terms of lives. terms of lives. requests for the troops and they naturally recoiled. naturally recoiled. i was in the pentagon at the time. pentagon at the time. forward because they do not want to do it before the election. do it before the election. resident to do that before an election. —— president. awful lot like the white house team like a powerplay.
like a powerplay. department of defence asks for more troops. troops. it was not that and i was in a place to sit from the pentagon. a place to sit from the pentagon. but it started this mistrust. —— to see. see. when the mistrust built, it is how to bridge that gap. to bridge that gap. hindsight that you came to that understanding? understanding? i was aware that the mistrust was building. mistrust was building. i have a better perspex did on it. better perspex did on it. actually could have sympathy for both sides. both sides. we're just trying to do ourjob. this was in afghanistan. one of the metrics must be lives. they are always tied together.
that you are prior to that longer in iraq. iraq. you in a way that you run it did not. you develop feelings for the afg ha ns. you develop feelings for the afghans. afghans. the afghans are people that really can endear themselves. really can endear themselves. have had a difficult 30 plus years, if you go back to the mid— 70s. if you go back to the mid— 70s. pakistani operations inside the country. country. society back together but it is really ha rd. society back together but it is really hard. really hard. and, at close, it is much more sympathetic than it looks from afar.
any point since they were removed all that time ago. —— here we are. of civilians and combatants on all sides, again a record high. sides, again a record high. the united states, as well as for afghanistan. afghanistan. well, you cannot claim it is a roaring success. it is a roaring success. going to tell you that, it has been very frustrating. very frustrating. school now for the last 17 years has skyrocketed. skyrocketed. there is a young generation of males as well. generation of males as well. the underlying foundation of what afghanistan is.
afghanistan is. i do not think the future looks like the past. future looks like the past. run regime, the taliban has changed itself. itself. intergovernment, you do not see that a backward step? well, i see it as a challenge. challenge. from because i think the afghan people deserve better. people deserve better. intention, that the united states and others basically want? and others basically want? causes the afghans trend is apprehension. apprehension. united states and others basically turned their back on afghanistan. turned their back on afghanistan.
soviets out, and yet the afghans lost 1. lost 1. minds, they had fought cold war enemy as our sites. enemy as our sites. them some arms and money but then we disengaged. disengaged. question is what happens when the garden is... garden is... difference can the united states may? again, i am sentimental about it. it. not want to invest bad more money after bad. after bad.
9/11 afghanistan, and that gives politicians a political problem. politicians a political problem. let's go back to iraq, where you work for two years in control. work for two years in control. the special forces operations base mac. mac. described as a killing machine, is that, is that really what it was? that, is that really what it was? what was a
growing terrorist network. network. and it was really lethal in thatjob. and it was really lethal in that job. that job. personally accompanied the teams at night. i did. why? reality there or you can't make decisions about it. decisions about it. away, you have very little appreciation for the nuance of it. appreciation for the nuance of it. you, you have got to share a bit of a hardship in danger with them. a hardship in danger with them. that you are not worth more than they are. they are.
been very frank and said what were you doing? right. were you to slow getting a grip on that? getting a grip on that? abu ghraib as well, nor was my organisation. organisation. terms of business of war in a world war two kind of construct. war two kind of construct. that policy would be for dealing with them. with them. we did not do it for a while, i mean the reality is... while, i mean the reality is... has spoken approvingly of some form of enhanced interrogation. yeah.
your force, it degrades your moral capacity. capacity. information for extended conversations with d10 is. conversations with d10 is. won the senior that ultimately let us to an iraqi al qaeda leader. us to an iraqi al qaeda leader. conversation building up a poor, and that is what actually works. that is what actually works. are talking about there, he is the killing. killing. he features in your book and leaders. and leaders. almost the relationship you have with him. well, it is the right term. term.
leader, notjust a terrorist leader but a leader. but a leader. he became somebody who burned white hot leaf. burned white hot leaf. are looking at your own, appraising your own role and self there. your own role and self there. —— with belief. with belief. well, you always have to look at yourself in the mirror. to look at yourself in the mirror. killed thousands of iraqis that he was an effective leader. was an effective leader. i could disagree with him completely... disagree with him completely... i think so. think so. to leave because of comments made in front of a rolling stone journalist. front of a rolling stone journalist. i not a perfect leader.
that is sustainable over the long—term. that is sustainable over the long-term. long-term. important position in iraq and afghanistan. afghanistan. iraq, and particularly when you look at the situation there now? at the situation there now? i think invasion of iraq was a mistake. invasion of iraq was a mistake. advocating for that, i never saw arrogance. arrogance. democracy to an area where that was unlikely to stick easily. unlikely to stick easily. removing that regime was suddenly going
to stabilise the region. going to stabilise the region. —— iran and all the other players. iran and all the other players. intentions or wilful dishonesty, but i did see some bad decisions. i did see some bad decisions. think it is is easy to criticise its intent. intent. general stanley mcchrystal, thank you for coming and hardtalk. thank you for coming and hardtalk. appreciate it. —— coming on. hello there.
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ireland. into wales and then into northern england into the afternoon. it should stay dry. degrees in the south. with temperatures reaching 1a to 15 degrees in the south. set to bring us a spell of gales and heavy rain. it could be potentially disruptive across western areas on friday. for the latest updates on this. finally, for eastern areas, it is going to start fine. breezy but there will also be some sunshine around. as we head onto the afternoon.
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