tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News April 9, 2019 10:00am-11:01am BST
hello, it's tuesday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. one of britain's most prolific cyber criminals — an unemployed student from essex — made hundreds of thousands of pounds blackmailing porn users from his bedroom in barking. this morning he'll find out how long he'll spend in prison. theresa may is in berlin and paris this morning meeting europe's most powerful leaders — trying to get their backing for another delay to brexit. back home, talks are still going on with labour. we've put three politicians with very different views on brexit in an escape room and they can only get out if they work together what's under the flag? behind all the rhetoric and the bluff are actually people trying to do the best, in whatever way they see it. i believe that we can reach
a solution which is not perfect, not everybody is going to be 100% happy with it, but i think a lot of people could live with. and there will be no more fleabag. but it's taught us so much about love. you know how to love better than any others. that's why you find it all so painful. i don't find it painful. live in the studio will be the actors who play fleabag's dad and sister and the director — is it the best british series ever? tell us what you think — better than the office? fawlty towers 7 e—mail email@example.com or message us on twitter. hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning.
the prime minister is on her way to berlin to meet with the german chancellor — to seek support for a further delay to brexit. she'll then continue to paris for talks with the french president. last night parliament passed a bill which forces theresa may to request a delay to brexit rather than leave the eu without a deal. however, the final decision on any extension lies with the eu. government and labour officials will continue cross—party talks today as they try to break the brexit deadlock. the law is being changed in england and wales to allow couples to divorce without having to blame each other for the marriage breakdown. critics of the current system say it makes reconciliation harder, and can be damaging to children. under current rules one partner has to accuse the other of adultery or unreasonable behaviour. a student who made hundreds of thousands of pounds blackmailing porn users with cyber attacks is due to be sentenced this morning.
24—year old zain qaiser from barking used his programming skills as a teenager to scam visitors to porn sites around the world. investigators have so far discovered more than seven hundred thousand pounds, but the network he headed probably made more than four million. the daughter of a british woman who is facing prison in dubai for calling her ex—husband's new wife a "horse" on facebook has pleaded for her release. laleh shahravesh was arrested at dubai airport after flying to the city to attend her ex—husband's funeral. her daughter, paris, has written to dubai's ruler saying she has not seen her mother in more than three weeks. a man in his 20s has died after suffering knife and gunshot wounds in east london. paramedics were called to newnham just after 9 o'clock last night, but the man died at the scene. it comes after three teenagers were taken to hospital earlier in the day after being stabbed within minutes of each other in north—east london. thirteen prison officers had
to be taken to hospital after being assaulted by teenagers at a young offenders institution in west london. the officers were among around 20 staff attacked at feltham during an outbreak of violence at the weekend. prison officers have partly blamed increasing tensions on recent changes in the treatment of inmates who misbehave. debenhams is on the brink of administration after it rejected a new offerfrom sports direct to invest two hundred million pounds into the department store. on monday, debenhams turned down a similar proposal from mike ashley's company to put a hundred and fifty million pounds into the retailer. the new offer was rejected, because mr ashley wanted to be chief executive. the department store chain issued three profit warnings last year. the american actress felicity huffman is among fourteen parents who have said they will plead guilty to being part of a university admissions scandal. it's been alleged she paid a consultant fifteen—thousand—dolla rs — that's11 and a half thousand pounds — in an attempt to get her daughter into a top us university. the case is thought to be the largest of its kind in american history.
that is a summary of our main news this morning. back to you, victoria. thank you. he's one of the most prolific cyber criminals the uk has ever seen and he's due to find out his punishment this morning. unemployed student, 24—year—old zain qaiser blackmailed hundreds of thousands of porn website users around the world. qaiser will be sentenced at kingston crown court this morning; our corr matt cole explained what qaier was accused of. it was one of biggest cybercrimes. he is believed to have committed crimes that have netted him and his associates £4 million at least. he personally, they believe, has laid hands on about £700,000 worth of that. the scam started when he was only about 17. in very simple terms,
he placed adverts through advertising brokers online on to aduu advertising brokers online on to adult web—sites. those adverts, placed but legitimate brokers, had hidden bits of software, if people clicked on the adverts, the software was down loaded on to their computers and then placed a ran some ware to lock up their computer, to place a message on screen, claiming to be from law enforcement agency and they faced going to prison, u nless and they faced going to prison, unless they paid a fine of something like £100 and gave them instructions on how do that. if they paid, the computer was unlocked. what is not clear is how many people were affected. some research by the
national crime agency suggests 21 million of these adverts happened, maybe a fifth in the uk. not everyone's computer was vulnerable. but as a result, huge sums, it is the scale of money involved, which is why the national crime agent cy are placing this so highly. the reason we don't know how many people paid up, orwho reason we don't know how many people paid up, or who were black mailed, is because most people wouldn't come forward , is because most people wouldn't come forward, because they would be afraid or embarrassed, even though hadn't actually done anything wrong by using these web—sites. hadn't actually done anything wrong by using these web-sites. no the question is whether people perhaps we re question is whether people perhaps were embarrassed, maybe looking at aduu were embarrassed, maybe looking at adult web—sites, they didn't want family to know about and paid up. others may have been doing something illegal and thought i don't want to be caught for that, i will pay this
and some people might have been looking at things they shouldn't have. but it is not possible to know. the way that this was uncovered was through the brokers, through whom the adverts were placed. they began to realise some of the adverts being put on to their system contained this mal ware and they got in touch with zain qaiser to flag that they didn't want this. he then started threatening a number of them, sought to bring some of them on board and sought to carry out cyber attacks on their system. it was only through the advertising brokers that this was discovered. the scale, the number of victims, through shame and embarrassment or desire to carry on with what they we re desire to carry on with what they were doing and unlock their computer, wejust were doing and unlock their computer, we just don't know. but it was very lucrative. as soon as the
sentencing happens, we will bring you the details. the prime minister is off today to meet europe's two most powerful leaders ahead of an eu summit tomorrow. she'll spend time with german chancellor angela merkel in berlin and french president emmanuel macron in paris. then tomorrow evening she'll face all 27 eu leaders to ask, again, for a delay to brexit. here, she's reported to have discussed with cabinet giving mps a vote on whether there should be another referendum. talks with the labour party are also ongoing, even thought its far ongoing, even thought it's far from clear that words will translate into any action. jenny hill is in berlin, where the prime minister is due in the next hour. is she going to be able to convince chancellor merkel and president macron that she's got the numbers she needs to get her deal thorugh the house of commons at a fourth attempt which will mean they will give her a brexit extension to the end ofjune? well, that is the big question. i think broadly speaking angela merkel is of all the eu 27 leaders among
the most relaxed about giving britain an extension. that is for a number of reasons, but perhaps chief are these, angela merkel wants to avoid a no deal and wants a good future relationship with britain. it is important to germany that that trading relationship continues. secondly, angela merkel and her ministers tend to view the brexit impasse through the perspective of, look, this is a domestic political crisis, we won't get anywhere until britain can sort it out and for that britain can sort it out and for that britain will need time and space. angela merkel has been among those urging the eu to be a bit more patient and give more time and actually her europe minister this morning has said, we are thinking about an appropriate extension of the deadline and about a longer ex tension, although he says there will be conditions attached. eammon.
among those is that britain should ta ke among those is that britain should take part inure lean elections. but a lot of mps are worried, because the next european parliament will contain more euro—sceptic mps, do we wa nt contain more euro—sceptic mps, do we want british euro—sceptic mps thrown in. angela merkel will want to know what theresa may's plan is, privately, speaking to people, there is optimism now theresa may is talking tojeremy corbyn. there is talking tojeremy corbyn. there is talk of a softer brexit and that is going down well with meps, who start to see a way forward, maybe a tweak to see a way forward, maybe a tweak to the deal that mayjust enable theresa may to get her deal through the house of commons. what you should expect today is, despite that there are some differences between
countries like germany and france as to whether britain should be given an extension, is a message of unity. the eu knows its greatest strength is to display a sense of sticking together. so the eu don't want theresa may coming back almost every month. might they say we need you to have a longer extension? it is something that is being discussed. donald tusk is suggesting a flexed extension, to prevent the european leaders having to get together to scramble to deal with a short—term extension, to avoid a no deal. in berlin, my sense is the preference would be for something longer, as long as it can be demonstrated that britain has a good reason for that. there are reasons for that and there are people who hope that britain
might come around to thinking about a second referendum, might indeed come around to revoking article 50 altogether. at the same time, there are those who think, look, actually with a bit more time, a bit more coaxing, a bit push and pull, it mightjust be coaxing, a bit push and pull, it might just be possible coaxing, a bit push and pull, it mightjust be possible for that deal to go through. in the meantime what is interesting is that germany is probably being, first the most upset by britain's decision to leave. second, probably among the most patient in terms of its dealing with britain and its demand for a deal. but i think now this starting behind the scenes, you start to sense a bit ofa the scenes, you start to sense a bit of a shift, people are starting to almost see the comedy of the situation. really? last night a popular talk show ran a discussion under the title, i'm popular talk show ran a discussion
underthe title, i'm par popular talk show ran a discussion under the title, i'm par trazing rgs paraphrasing, sorry dear brits, who ta kes you paraphrasing, sorry dear brits, who takes you seriously now? that is not funny, i think you may have gone native? i spoke to somebody who said, are you america and i said no, i'm british and he fell about laughing in my face. there is an element of humour and despire. —— despair. but germany is probably the one on whom britain can rely to continue with a slightly more patient outlook than other member states. i'm told angela merkel was on the phone to emmanuel macron a few days ago, telling him that, look, we have got to give britain more time. germany is in that respect i suppose fighting britain's corner. but the patience is not unlimited. they will want a plan and it is not down to germany to decide what p has. it will make a decision with all the other eu state and it
will stick to the eu line. thank you. so what happens when you force mps from different parties to work together? can they do it? we put three in an escape room together and forced them to cooperate on tasks so they could leave. each time they solved a puzzle together, they had to answer a question on brexit. here's how things turned out... brexit can sometimes feel like a riddle wrapped inside an enigma. theresa may spent two years negotiating a deal with the european union, but parliament has refused three times to accept it. and so now, somehow, our politicians must try to find a solution. so we brought together three mps and challenged them to put their differences aside and co—operate. i have always been
an ardent europhile. i make no apologies for that because i really want to make the case for why we need to be staying in the eu. i think that's where our interests lie. i think there is no deal that we can possibly get that is better than the one we've already got with the european union. we just need to make brexit stop. i believe in brexit. my own constituency of north west leicestershire voted by 61 to 39 to leave the european union. i believe in the sovereignty of the united kingdom and we should go now with a managed no—deal brexit, giving us the clean break and the ability to trade with the rest of the world. if we don't deliver on brexit it's going be catastrophic for people's belief in democracy. i'm somebody who supported remain and fought the remain campaign, but i'm really hoping for the labour party deal, which is effectively protecting workers' rights, protecting the environment. i don't believe in a brexit without a deal because i think it will be catastrophic.
we asked the mps to step into a locked room with only one way out. to escape, the legislators must co—operate to find clues, test their knowledge of all things brexit—related by answering some tricky questions, and show goodwill in many debates on brexit hot topics. only with fulsome co—operation can they hope to add enough correctly answered clue clouds to the barrel to access the key that will spell freedom from the brexit escape room. there is one here. what is under the flag? clues fit in there, look. see? the padlock on here. the mps waste no time in getting to grips with their objective. clubs, spade, diamond and heart. the clues — bf 1 10. if you look at the spitfires. see the spitfires? how many is there? there is the six. it is a good job there is a conservative here. have you got these names right? and before long, they had their first clue cracked.
spade is four. you're right. they cheer. 0k, we're in. right, 0k... "on what date was article 50 triggered? " but it kicks off a debate about article 50, the notice that the uk gave to the eu more than two years ago to say we're leaving. there's been no agreement as to the best way to leave. but then we triggered article 50, the rules were — we all knew it — we either leave or we don't leave... we leave with a deal or without a deal the 29th march. andrew, how upset are you that we haven't left by now? well, i'm pretty upset. one of the things i think went horribly wrong at first was that, actually, we shouldn't have left without having a clear plan about exactly what we were going to do once we triggered it, and i have to say, i think that's where it all started to go wrong. i think there's probably an element of what you're saying is correct and maybe it was perhaps done too hastily, but i think the pressure was on with other political parties right at the beginning... ladies, i think we need to... ..we need to get out! oh, yeah, sorry. the mps quickly
uncover another clue. right, what's in there? there's some potentially... and it's got a little arrow on it. it is pointing at something. here! it is pointing to something, isn't it? 0h! oh, what's that? that's. .. ah, there. the radio? no? which way? to the right? to the right. yes, so it's a shelf. 0h, right, 0k. there, got it. well done. ok, we've got two clues. ok, here's one. debate question. ok, here is the first clue. "in which year did britain originallyjoin the eec, now known as the european union? ‘73, ‘71, ‘75, ‘84...?" it's a question that the team find a little taxing. no, no, no, wejoined in... ‘73. ..'73. uh... 0r70... the first referendum was that we were already in. yeah. oh, was it? yeah. i wasn't there. were you? no. 0k.
we were at school! i don't know! at school! we've been in 46 years —1973. talk of the early days of the eu prompts yet another debate. my mmum and dad say they voted tojoin a common market, so i think, for the british people, it's always been about the trade. can we just all agree quickly that that is definitely, like, the eu has definitely changed since then. yeah. it is becoming a united states of europe... no, no, it hasn't, it hasn't. it's not! it doesn't have an army, it doesn't want to have an army. there are some people... that's not what mrs merkel and mr macron said. 0h, don't exaggerate. please, let's go on to the next one. and by adding the clue card to the barrel... ..the mps are one step closer to freedom. have you got a ten? and soon after, they unearth the next clue. ah! i found something. yeah, yeah, found it. yes, yes, yes. "how many people... ?" ah, you know this one. "how many people voted to leave the eu?" 17.4 million. i thought you would know that one bang—on. i don't know all their names, but most of them, i know.
"is parliament trying to frustrate the will of the people?" no! the suggestion is that we're not acting in good faith, so is the population frustrated with parliament? yes, but that suggests intent, and i really don't think that parliament is actively trying to stop... but do you think the people care about after they voted to leave? no, no... they don't care whether you mean to do it or not. people can't be wrong — they wanted to leave and we have to leave otherwise our democracy is finished. that's why i get really upset when people said, "oh, this stupid language. " "0h, they're traitors, they don't care." actually, we care, which is why we are spending our days and nights here. which is why ministers from your side have left ministerial posts and shadow ministers have left. anyway, let's do this one... hang on. we'll be in forever if we don't get out soon. 15 here. and we have got to move it to the right. 17... after discovering a cryptic message, the parliamentarians spot a possible means of decoding it. ah! the typewriter! type it. there is k.
k. right, s. no, there is four. 0k. five. here? yeah. v. right. is that it? yeah. does that makes sense? let's have a look. "brexit means brexit. 52-48." the result of the 2016 referendum saw leave win by 52% to 48%, and the team uncover another clue by using access code 52—48 to open a locked chest. ok, right... quickly, let's do this. "should the uk fight the eu elections in may despite having voted to leave?" yes? yes. yes? i think we probably should, because otherwise it is taxation without representation. fair enough. we lost america... good stuff. we agree on something! i'm amazed! that is the number? 1-3-5. it is there. "how many employees voted in favour of another referendum...?" "how many mps voted in favour of another referendum...?"
280. liberal democrat layla moran is quick to recall that 280 mps voted recently to put whatever parliament decides back to the electorate in a so—called confirmatory referendum. "is a people's vote the democratic solution? " in the end — last resort — yes. absolutely yes. we won't accept anything without it. certainly not, otherwise every single majority vote will get challenged and it will undermine our democracy. right, 0k. agree to disagree. with the final clue solved and the last card in place, the team may, at last, be getting close to freedom. this should...lift up! and there's a key here. excellent. right... let's go! they cheer. ready? yeah. we're out! well done. i think what i got out of that is it reminds us all that, behind all the rhetoric and all the bluff and whatever,
are actually people trying to do the best in whatever way they see it. i believe that we can reach a solution which is not perfect, not everybody is going to be 100% happy with it, but i think a lot of people could live with. without all three of us working together, we wouldn't have been able to get out in that time. the difference is, compared to the debate about brexit is, all three of us wanted to leave. i'm not convinced that everybody in parliament wants to leave...! i'm definitely going to make more of an effort to see behind the rhetoric, see behind the bluff. the mps return to parliament confident that their new spirit of cooperation and compromise would soon have brexit solved. but after almost three years of brexit wars, it's hard to be too sure. the daughter of a british woman arrested in dubai over facebook comments has written
to the country's leader asking him to let her mum come home. laleh sharavesh was arrested when she flew into the country last month for her ex—husband's funeral, two years after calling his new wife a "horse" on social media. now her 14—year—old daughter paris has written a letter to sheikh mohammed saying: please, please return my mother's passport, and let her come home. sangita myska is here. tell us more about what the daughter said. when laleh shahravesh flew in for that funeral, with her was her 14—year—old daughter. at the airport the authorities arrested laleh shahravesh and took her away. they stayed at for questioning and at that point the daughter was allowed to return home and we understand she is being looked after by relatives. last night the daughter published a big long open letter, appealing to
the ruler of dubai to release her mother. she said: nowjust to be clear, laleh shahravesh is not being held in a prison. she is currently residing in a hotel, that she is paying for and said the cost of that, which is now nearly three weeks is crippling her and she says she needs to come home. this began because she called the ex—wife a horse on facebook. this began because she called the ex-wife a horse on facebook. laleh shahravesh was married for 18 years. they end up moving to dubai and three years ago laleh shahravesh and her daughter moved back to the uk. after that, the couple divorced. laleh shahravesh says she was up aware that her husband was about to get remarry and when he did she
published photographs on facebook and she said in a fit of rage she published these insults about his wife. but she was unawire that dubai —— unaware that dubai's laws are very strict. if you public a libel, when you turn up, they will arrest you and prosecute. what has the new wife said? she apparently gave a statement to various reporters yesterday, we haven't been able to establish the contents of that statement. but it is today being reported that she didn't realise that by making a complaint to the police, laleh shahravesh could face up police, laleh shahravesh could face up to two years in prison and a £50,000 fine. it is today being reported that she says if laleh shahravesh faces jail time, she will withdraw her complaint in the hope that she will be relessed. thank -- released. thank you.
still to come... it's farewell to fleabag — here with me to talk about last night's final episode are sian clifford and bill paterson — fleabag's sister and dad, plus the director. is it the best british series ever? the new anti—malaria campaign that has david beckham appearing to speak nine different languages perfectly. can technology and computer games be used to help combat stereotypes and stop kids bullying each other in school? that's what a new virtual reality project aims to do by getting students to experience what it's like to be on the receiving end of abuse. it's the first time this kind of strategy is being tried out to tackle racism and bullying in british schools. nomia iqbal reports tandy just finished a virtual reality game. whoa! it's all about how to handle bullying. that was so good.
with their headsets, she and her classmates interactively move around a 3—d world showing different scenarios where children in school are being picked on. it's been created by the open university. the aim is to combat racist and prejudiced stereotypes that lead to bullying by showing children from different backgrounds and a variety of scenarios that other children can relate to. there's rasheed, who is arab—muslim, darrel, who's black, and kasia, who can't speak english. rashid, you don't have to play the terrorist — don't worry. unless you are one. this one involves rashid, whose friends keep calling him a terrorist. using virtual reality means that you get to literally experience what it's like to be picked on for your race, religion and where you come from. you also get to choose how to react. i'm going to stand up for myself and confront the bullies. i really don't like it. it's offensive.
we're your friend, rashid! 0k, dude, but it'sjust a game. just because it's a game doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. they kept calling him, like, a terroristjust because of his race, and i didn't feel like that was ok. like, me personally, i don't like people who are racist, and i feel like you should treat everyone how you want to be treated, and i felt like they weren't treating him right. when i used to play it's all, like, fun and games, but when i saw this, i wanted to help them like it's real and i want to do something about it. so did you enjoy it still? did you like it? i did like it, but it made me realise more that i need to be aware and help people when they go through it. i kind of felt bad for rashid because he had to confront them for them to understand. but i think if you're in a situation like that, people should automatically understand how you feel rather than you having to confront them. the open university is behind the idea and, with research group demos, have been trialling it in schools. a free app has been created that can be used in life skills lessons across the uk.
there will always be conflict with other kids. how do you draw the draw the line between what's offensive and what's just pass of experiencing that conflict with other children? it's not necessarily where the line is drawn but who's drawing the lines, and by having young people think about that and think about who gets to say what's acceptable or not, they actually become much more sensitive to having that conversation about. these are always difficult lines to draw, but there's a serious matter of power about who gets to draw those lines. but is virtual reality technology the way to tackle these issues? dr liam hackett is head of ditch the label. it's one of the largest anti—bullying charities in the world. i do think vr has a role in creating that empathy and the compassion and a little bit of building the skill set, but i think it needs to be part of a wider curriculum that equips young people to upstand when they witness bullying.
i'd be very interested to see what those children are thinking in six months' time, to see if it actually created a long—term impact. this is a really fun and good way to get it across to other children, how bad of an issue bullying is. normally bullies do it because they've got something wrong in their lives and they find that almost stress—relieving, to pick on somebody else. many schools do already have a range of anti—bullying policies in place like this one. fran chandler is head of drama here. i think, through this, they feel transported in a way that they can't necessarily do when they're just acting the part. we might do things like kind of imagination exercises, where we try and develop these kind of ideas, but this is completely immersive as an experience. these students definitely enjoyed using a fun way to talk about serious issues. the open university wants more of this technology in schools to help children prepare for the world.
thank you for your messages on the subject of brexit and flea bag. becky says i love the way you put three people with different views into an escape room. peter says with respect i don't believe you appreciate just how angry we are. we should have let the eu by now. parliament is completely out of sync with the majority. those who voted leave did so for many and various standpoints but i would suggest we we re standpoints but i would suggest we were all voting to leave both the single market and the customs union and the jeremy single market and the customs union and thejeremy corbyn stop playing politics he would support a temporary customs union during transition and shortly thereafter. that would be the honest compromise on his part. peter says a brexiteer should now lead the conservative party and it doesn't have to be borisjohnson.
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will talk to some of the cast members before the end of the programme. any messages or questions, please get them in sharpish. today david beckham is launching the world's first voice petition in a bid to end malaria. it's a disease that kills one child every 30 seconds, about 3,000 children every day, and kills over one million people each year, mainly in countries in sub—saharan africa, such as nigeria, mali and ghana. instead of collecting signatures, the campaign asks people around the world to use the power of their voice. the end piece of audio art, they're calling it a sound sculpture will be delivered to world leaders before they make key decisions about funding in six months' time. david beckham represents the charity ‘malaria no more' and is a unicef goodwill ambassador. have a look at the video he's released today.
in spanish: in kinyarwanda: in arabic: in french: in hindi: in mandarin: in kiswahili: in yoruba: we can speak now to professor azra ghani, who's chair in infectious disease epidemiology at imperial college london; jo yirell, whose son harry died of malaria whilst in africa when he was in his early 20s. he'd given away his malaria pills
to the children at the school he was volunteering with; and elvis eze, a 28—year—old doctor who is speaking yoruba in the film, a language spoken in nigeria. elvis grew up in nigeria and now works in a&e at an nhs hospital in london. he had malaria many times as a child. four times as a child, is that right? describe what the symptoms are and what it does to you. malaria isa are and what it does to you. malaria is a disease that you get and you think you are fine the first day but you come down with lots of muscle aches, fever, it just you come down with lots of muscle aches, fever, itjust gets worse. and itjust aches, fever, itjust gets worse. and it just doesn't aches, fever, itjust gets worse. and itjust doesn't stop there. if it's not treated or as a child, most tend to have a special type of malaria, you started to get hallucinations, confusion, or it affects your kidney, being unable to make urine but as a personal story,
malaria makes you feel like you are going to die. imagine you feel you are going to die fourfive going to die. imagine you feel you are going to die four five times. just growing up as a kid. i think that's just the worst thing, the worst feeling you can never have and for me, i understood that the spilling meant i was going to die if it was not treated. how did you survive? my parents did well. they had some information, maybe not preventive information but at least they had treatment information so whenever i had malaria, i got tested andi whenever i had malaria, i got tested and i gotta treated. how quickly that happened depends on how much funds there is, if they thought it was malaria there was a hospital close by and that was my story, in essence. feeling this was the worst feeling and there are a lot of children out there having the same feeling and i think it's the worst thing. jill, your son died from malaria, you are an ambassador for a charity and you've been on our
programme before talking about your boy but tell us what happened. harry we nt boy but tell us what happened. harry went to ghana travelling, year out, i suppose. excuse me. he took his anti—malaria i suppose. excuse me. he took his anti— malaria tablets with i suppose. excuse me. he took his anti—malaria tablets with him but when he was in ghana he gave them away to the children who he saw suffering from malaria because he felt that he was a big, strong lad, he didn't need them and he gave them away. he came home very happy, wanting to go back to ghana and then, ten days later, suffering some similar symptoms, he then died. and it affected his lungs, mainly. yes. and we lost him. that was 2005. yes. something you never forget. something you never forget. something you never get rid of, you learn to manage, you learn to manage but, you know, i learn to manage, you learn to manage but, you know, lam a learn to manage, you learn to manage but, you know, i am a special ambassador for malaria no more uk and i'm proud to be and i hope harry is really proud of me. and i'm hoping that you know, between us, we
can eradicate malaria in our lifetime and that in itself will be a huge monument to harry. do you think that's possible, professor, to eradicate it within our lifetime? it's certainly on the horizon, we've made huge progress over the last ten years, getting medicine to children and nets to children in africa. that's probably reduced death by over 50% so we've made great progress but there is a long way to go. it's worth explaining how you contract malaria. people get infected by a malaria parasite from the bite of an infected mosquito. it thrives in human —— humid environments, like sub—saharan africa. it spreads from person to person, the mosquito picks up the parasite when it bites an infected person and that mosquito will then transmit the parasite onto the next person it bites. you mentioned the bed nets yet fewer than 5% of african children sleep under a net but they are not expensive, are
they? they are given out by the government and they are mostly free for children. actually we've made great progress in getting children ... there great progress in getting children there are not expensive for governments to make. they are not. much of what we can do for malaria is actually very cheap, for example treating a case of malaria with the first drug will save most lives, and that would cost possibly the same as a cup of coffee. you've been to number 10 downing street a number of times to share your story and talk about harry. is this on the agenda of british politicians or is it because it so far away, not really. i think it is. i certainly have had a good reception when i spoke to politicians. to answer that question, i'm not very sure. but i think it is. yes. we've got the global fund replenishment coming up in october. and obviously which is why david beckham is releasing this today, to start building this
petition. and we are going to deliver the sculpture as they are calling it, to the politicians, to the world leaders to encourage them to replenish the global fund which i think accounts for 60% of the help for malaria, someone may correct me on that. yes, i think it's on the agenda. why do you say, elbows, people in this country should care about eradicating malaria in sub—saharan africa? about eradicating malaria in sub-saharan africa? i thinkjust listening to joe sub-saharan africa? i thinkjust listening tojoe ‘s story, it brings it home. health and insecurity anywhere in the world is healthy security in the uk and the developed world. i work in accident and emergency now is a medical doctor and thankfully, i did not pass on from malaria growing up but i have seen cases of malaria in accident and emergency. in a london nhs hospital? yes. because people
travel. places are tourist destinations, you get good sunshine. that is more of a personal angle to it. you can actually get malaria from travelling. but, there's treatment and is the professor said, these nets cost less than a cup of coffee. if we are funding as a country and funding is an organisation, global fund, that country and funding is an organisation, globalfund, that is well replenished, countries in the world can get the properfunding well replenished, countries in the world can get the proper funding to help eradicate the disease and eradicating the disease is possible in our lifetime from what we know. 0k. in our lifetime from what we know. ok. how did you find david beckham because she met him? he was really committed to the campaign. and i said earlier, his commitment to the campaign with what he has is just stunning. we spoke and he was really interested in knowing more about what else can be done and so just
getting him as an ambassador on this, speaking to the people in nigeria, a lot of people in nigeria watch football so they grow up knowing david beckham and it will touch a lot of people to note that this is what we need to do, to lend her voice and for me i think that's just so powerful. thank you all and good luck with the campaign. we've got some breaking news. the 2a—year—old, the unemployed student from barking in essex, computer hacker, jailed at kingston crown court this morning for a total of six years and five months. we talked about his case earlier, jailed for blackmailing porn website users in a multi—million pound global conspiracy. one of the most prolific cyber criminals the uk has ever seen, we are told. he has been jailed for six years and five months at kingston crown court blackmailing porn website users in a multi—million pound liberal
conspiracy. what did you think of the ending of fleabag last night? it is over, there is no more, that is it. no third series. we're going to talk about it for the next few minutes with stars sian clifford, who plays claire, fleabag's sister, bill paterson who plays fleabag's dad and the director harry bradbeer. so if you haven't seen the last one yet you have been warned. it's written by and stars phoebe waller—bridge and it's about love, grief, relationships between sisters, inept fathers and a catholic priest being led into temptation. here's the address the priest made at the wedding of dad and godmother — and it's all about. love. so, it turns out it's quite hard to come up with something original to say about love. but i've had a go. love is awful.
it's awful! it's painful. it's frightening. makes you doubt yourself, judge yourself. distance yourself from the other people in your life. makes you selfish. makes you creepy. makes you obsessed with your hair. makes you cruel. makes you say and do things you never thought you would do. there's something wrong with your priest. it's all any of us want and its hell when we get there so no wonder it's something we don't want to do on our own. and then there's this scene with fleabag and her dad. i just want you all to be proud of me. we are proud of you, dad, you have two daughters, who love you, even if you don't like them. ilike claire! jesus, dad! thank you. 0k.
come on. i don't think i can. come on, buck up. smile. charm. off we go! i think you know how to love better than any of us. that's why you find it all so painful. i don't find it painful. so let's talk about the ending now with sian clifford, bill paterson, and harry bradbeer, who directs the show. just to be clear, we are going to be talking about the ending. so do not complain when we talk about the ending. why wasn't it a happy ending for flea bag ? ending. why wasn't it a happy ending for fleabag? why wasn't it? i sorta think it is, i think it's very hopeful. i think the story arc for
all of us is very hopeful, that there has been a shift, she is making progress with her grief, she's opened herself to love which she's opened herself to love which she wasn't willing to at all in the first series. so, i think it is a happy ending. bill what do you think? i think it is a happy ending. i don't know why the priest, i don't know why he doesn't shift to the anglican, the high anglican, you can still get the outfit but you can, you know, i would ask andrew if i saw him. but i think it is happy, there is some optimism, and the importance of love, the importance of relationships and deep relationships, is beautifully judged, i think. harry, relationships, is beautifully judged, ithink. harry, what relationships, is beautifully judged, i think. harry, what did you think? the priest talks about hope in his homily and that's what we end up in his homily and that's what we end up with. in hollywood they say it's not what you want it's what you need that's important and what she needed was not to be with the priest for
the rest of her life but to have found love in herself, being able to love herself more. being able to stand on her own two feet. i've always seen it as a story of growing up. and she's not ready to move on with her life and that's why she can say goodbye to us the end. yes. obviously, so many people are genuinely upset that there isn't going to be a third series. are you upset as well? are you got it? yes, iam andi upset as well? are you got it? yes, i am and i think we all felt when we we re i am and i think we all felt when we were finishing there was a real sadness and we got to do a reissue day and i don't think, we were so thrilled to be back together as a tea m thrilled to be back together as a team and! thrilled to be back together as a team and i kept, isort thrilled to be back together as a team and i kept, i sort of had choked with vb that i'm going to keep egging her on to do a third but i have arrived at a kind of acceptance, actually and i do feel it's acceptance, actually and i do feel its complete. and you know, that was when we were making it and now having seen it all as a piece, i
think, i think, having seen it all as a piece, i think, ithink, yes, we are having seen it all as a piece, i think, i think, yes, we are ready to say goodbye. there's no way you can persuade her to write a third series? a christmas special? you never know. if she wakes up with a new fleabag insider, who knows. but it's up to her, she's the only one who can answer her. we are at her mercy. it was never really conceived, if i'm right, as a sitcom, where you just had an open ended arrangement of people who could go on and on for years. i don't think it was ever planned that way, it was one arc of a first story, it was her friend at the cafe. and then this was a new arc of stories. so, it's a kind of complete thing, to micro complete things.“ it the best british series ever?|j don't it the best british series ever?” don't know we are allowed to say that. it's up there with the office, you would agree? with fawlty towers?
the writing, the acting, the humour, the drama? the poignancy? yes, we have such an attachment to genre, not just have such an attachment to genre, notjust in this country, in this industry but i really do feel it's in its own. it's challenging television in a way that's never been done before. the way that she played with the camera at the series has been particularly thrilling, i think. to be a part of and to watch. so, yes, i do think it's up there. it's hard when you're a part of it. you don't want to sound. especially the love story. i think that's the people want, i think that's why it chimed so much with people right now. we are living in quite difficult times, quite cynical times. people are losing their faith ina times. people are losing their faith in a lotta people and perhaps in themselves and this is all about faith and all about love and all about hope and so there is something
fascinating about this very iconoclastic, strident, sometimes very angry figure who is falling in love and changing before your eyes and that seems to have chimed with people. and a love story between sisters and daughters and dads and all sorts of people. the love story with the priest we always said was one but lets talk about the fourth wall. fleabag turning to the camera and as the audience, we feel we are with her but then you broke that in this series, so that the priest is saying, who are you talking to stop who was she talking to? she was talking to us, the audience. i don't think she was talking to any particular character from the past. she was talking to us, to reassure. the theatricality of this is important, isn't it? it began life as a confessional piece toa began life as a confessional piece to a stage in edinburgh and london.
so what phoebe brought and brings to it is that sense of confessing directly to an audience and that transferred directly and remarkably well to the television format. so it's not brand—new, is not the first time it's been done by any means. but it's a subtle and sophisticated way of doing it. is that the fed will come off in the priest are saying, who are you talking to? the fifth dimension. i don't know. we don't care what it's called its just interesting to some people. it's a difficult one and is it a fifth well? he looks towards the camera, we had a debate about that. the fact is he doesn't know where she is looking, none of our characters know but he knows that she goes somewhere. that's what he spotted. why do we never learn flea bag ‘s name. or is it phoebe? spotted. why do we never learn flea bag 's name. or is it phoebe? it's not phoebe because phoebe is not flea bag not phoebe because phoebe is not fleabag name. it often happens with
women playing their part. no one thinks larry david as larry david. that often happens. even godmother can't remember phoebe has talked about that, flea bag can't remember phoebe has talked about that, fleabag likes to some people up in a word. and actually come up with the priest, she has is number but he proves she hasn't and some of us, like claire, has a name, boo, harry, martin, they are in there but it's very specific and to me, she is fleabag. that's her. that's her essence. is there a normal name that you know about that we don't or not? no. ok. why did you stay with martin? why? such a horrible, dreadful character. can't have been money. claire is very financially secure on her own. for me, ithink financially secure on her own. for me, i think it's about, i think, so many of us live in a kind of, there
are so many things we are not willing to confront in our own lives, in ourselves and claire, i think, failure is death and admitting that her marriage is a failure is inconceivable. until she sort of, and she has to arrive at that on her own and she does and that's what's so wonderful, she is actually allowed the space to do that, to work it out for herself and despite, sort of, fleabag ‘s encouragement, open encouragement that she hates martin, it's important that she finds that for herself. bill, why do you think it was such a hit? series one there was a hardcore, loyalfollowing, series two everyone is talking about. you know, i thought it was a generational thing because i've got some people of roughly my sort of e, some people of roughly my sort of age, useful, late 50s! who, you
know, were really quite strongly resistant to it in the first series. watch fleabag and david say, we tried it, but gradually, they, especially with this series have come round to it because partly because the second series deals with things, bigger issues thanjust absolutely sexual frisson is between characters, it's about love, etc. it's widened that out and it's a very growing kind of way. that's all you can say. it touches a lot of, takes a lot and it ticks a lot of boxes. harry? i come back to the love story. and i guess, the other thing i would add is something about faith. it is quite, dare i say it, a bit profound, to take a comedy and put it in the church, bring church and faith into it. you ask, because
fleabag has such a close relationship with the audience and she asks herself about her soul, she asks us to ask the same questions. i think it's got us all thinking about who we are and what we really value. chris tweets, i loved fleabag but i'm concerned there is an ending hinting that she will be ok. she won't. still serious mental health issues potentially. in real life she's only a dead guinea pig away from a total relapse. is that fair? it's right. you don'tjust clean everything up, it isn't too tidy and that shouldn't be. she still has a road to war, as it were. but she's made a start. we did the truest ending that we could. which is why maybe you kind of open the door a little earlier on there being another special one—off series. well, we can say. if she suddenly feels there is something more to say
thenl feels there is something more to say then i think micro she was adamant when we did the first one that she wouldn't do another one unless she had a good enough idea.” wouldn't do another one unless she had a good enough idea. i think with this one, she's been a little bit more adamant. and i trust in that. but, yes, that music means were coming to the end. finish quickly. she got her sister back. yes. and her dad. build. thank you all so much. thanks for your time today. have a good day. good morning. a bit of a contrast in the weather at the moment across the uk. four northern parts largely fine and sunny. across the south, cloud and sunny. across the south, cloud and rain moving its way across the south—east of england, through central and southern areas across south wales. some showers in the
south—west, from north wales to the midlands and to the east of england and northern ireland and scotland, we see plenty of sunshine. quite chilly, especially around north sea coast, 7—9d. elsewhere temperatures reaching 13 — 15 degrees perhaps. the rain in the south clearing to the south—west tonight. we are left with clear spells across most parts of the uk. cold enough for some frost in northern parts of england and scotland. elsewhere, temperatures staying between three and 6 degrees. on wednesday, lots of sunshine expected right across the uk. some clout in the north—east of scotland, north—eastern england, feeling quite chilly. temperatures for many of us 11—13d. goodbye.
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