tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News June 7, 2019 10:00am-11:01am BST
hello, it's friday 7th june, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. labour has narrowly won the peterborough by—election beating the newly formed prexit party by 683 votes. we had a fantastic candidate, campaign, and the people of peterborough rejected austerity and rejected the no—deal brexit being offered by the brexit party. the seat used to be a narrow race between labour and the conservatives, but this time the tories trailed in third place. we'll ask what the result means for the main parties. yesterday, the adolescent services part st andrew's healthcare unit in northamptonshire was put into special measures following a damning report. we'll get reaction from the family of a woman being looked after in a different part of the unit.
she has a huge dressing on her head and burns all over her face and under her eyes and ears where she threw boiling water over her. she has a plaster cast on her arm because she had chewed a hole in her arm which he had an operation on a couple of weeks ago. and plastic bags, drinks bottles and food packaging are having a devastating impact on ocean pollution, so could you give up single use plastics? ben fogle is calling on us all to do just that. he'll be here in the studio. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. have you already made changes to give up single use plastics? could you do more? ben fogle is trying to get everyone to pledge to give up just one thing as part of world oceans day. do get in touch with your ideas on how we can use less plastic, and everything else we're talking about this morning,
use the hashtag victoria live. the peterborough by—election, what are your thoughts on that? if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. first, annita has the news. labour has narrowly won the peterborough by—election — holding off a challenge from the brexit party. labour's lisa forbes took 31% of the vote, beating the brexit party's mike greene by 683 votes. the conservatives came third on 21%. the former mp fiona onasanya was expelled from labour earlier this year. she'd lost the seat after her constituents voted against her in a recall petition. theresa may officially stands down as leader of the conservative party today. she announced her resignation last month, but will remain in downing street as prime minister until her successor has been chosen. the race to find the next leader officially begins next week, although 11 mps have already announced they will be running for thejob.
women who suffer domestic abuse are three times more likely than other women to develop a serious mental illness, according to researchers at birmingham university. data collected anonymously by doctors also suggests the scale of violence against women by partners is hugely under—recorded. and we'll be discussing this issue later on this programme, talking to a woman who's suffered domestic abuse, one of the authors of the study and an expert in women's mental health. the group known as the new ira has claimed responsibility for planting a bomb under the car of a senior police officer in northern ireland last weekend. the device was discovered at a golf club in east belfast, and removed by bomb disposal experts. in a statement to the irish news, using a recognised code word, the ira said it was behind the attempted attack. two cars linked to the incident were found on fire in north belfast on saturday. one of the vehicles was fitted with dublin number plates and police have begun
a cross—border investigation. the world health organisation says that humanity is entering a ‘new phase‘, where large outbreaks of deadly diseases like ebola have to be considered as normal. it says greater effort needs to be made to prepare for epidemics, made more likely by climate change, conflict and large, mobile populations. the two largest ever outbreaks of ebola have taken place in africa in the past five years. the financial watchdog has ordered banks to overhaul the way they charge for overdrafts. the financial conduct authority says the reforms are needed to fix, what it calls, "a dysfunctional market". one change will mean banks and building societies are stopped from charging more for unarranged overd rafts. a mother who took her severely ill child to the netherlands for cannabis oil treatment has told the bbc she now feels trapped abroad because she fears the medication would be confiscated if she returned
to the uk. julie galloway took her seven—year—old daughter alexa, who has epilepsy and a rare neurological condition, to rotterdam almost a year ago. a version of cannabis oil has been approved for use in the uk, but doctors have been unwilling to prescribe it for alexa. that's a summary of the main stories, back to you, joanna. labour has narrowly won the peterborough by—election — beating the newly formed brexit party by 683 votes. ido i do hereby declare that lisa forbes is duly elected... the conservatives came third in what had previously been a close—run race between labour and the tories. labour won peterborough from the tories in 2017 by a narrow margin but the mp fiona onasanya was removed by her constituents after being jailed for lying about a speeding offence triggering yesterday's by—election.
the leader of the labour party, jeremy corbyn, has been giving his reaction this morning. we had a fantastic candidate, a fantastic campaign and the people of peterborough rejected austerity and rejected the no—deal brexit being offered by the brexit party and i congratulate lisa forbes this morning. in the eu referendum in 2016, there was nothing marginal about the city's support for leaving the eu — when voters backed leave by 61% to 39%. the leader of the brexit party, nigel farage, says they may not have won the by—election but they're still pleased with the result. it was neck and neck and labour won bya it was neck and neck and labour won by a few hundred votes and we are the new kids on the block and were launched only eight weeks ago today. it's a big, big showing. this was a two horse race in this constituency, us two horse race in this constituency, us against labour and if a few more conservatives had realised that if you really want brexit and you want
to stopjeremy corbyn, in seats like this, unless you vote for the brexit party, labour are going to win and that will be a theme that moves on from here. what i am certain of is that the old certainties of 2—party politics are now broken and i think what will happen either way is that as the state of the 31st of october approaches, less than five months away, that is the date we are due to leave the european union and all of these candidates are saying, vote for us, will become prime minister and leave on that date. i promise you this. if you don't leave on that date then the dramatic progress you've seen the brexit party make in the last eight weeks will be nothing compared to what we will do there. the conservatives secured just 21% of the vote last night compared to 29% for the brexit party and 31% for labour — so should they be worried that, in the event of a general election, the brexit party could split their vote and let labour in? let's talk to the conservative mp, nigel evans, who is part of the tory 1922 committee which is overseeing
the election of a new party leader and prime minister, and david tredinnick who has declared his support for boris johnson. thank you for coming in. respond first of all, nigel evans, to what nigel farage was saying that if we don't leave on the 31st of october the dramatic progress to brexit party has made in eight weeks will be like nothing compared to what will happen then. i think that is roughly eight. we got 21% of the vote and that is more than i thought we'd get. we actually did a bit better than i anticipated and there was a prediction we would come forth at one stage, even below the lib dems. our vote went down 25% in the labour vote went down 17% so what yesterday's by—election results demonstrated to me is one, that if we don't leave the european union, sharply and my own preferences by october the 31st, then the misery we have experienced during the european
union election results and local election results last night is just going to continue. secondly it showed me that the real danger for this country is that you could have jeremy corbyn as prime minister at the next election when only 31% of the next election when only 31% of the electorate actually vote for him because the brexit party seems to be taking more of the labour vote but is taking some of the labour vote. we will talk about labour in a moment. you looked rather pleased. it isa moment. you looked rather pleased. it is a relief because they did win the by—election when they could have lost. i will put those questions to the labour mps lost. i will put those questions to the labourmps in lost. i will put those questions to the labour mps in a minute but specifically for the tory party, you are saying you did better than you thought you would do, so what is the message. you say the tories have to ta ke message. you say the tories have to take this country out of the eu by the 31st of october so the only way to guarantee doing that is to do it without a deal. is borisjohnson the person to take it on? i am part of
the 1922 officers and we are conducting the elections on the nominations will close at five o'clock on monday and then we have hustings on tuesday and wednesday which we are conducting as part of the 1922 and all of these questions will be asked of all candidates. at the moment we have 11 showing interest and it could go up or down. sorry to keep interrupting but i do understand that you don't want to get into that, but what you were saying in the first answer is that you have clear views on what the future direction of the tory party will be, and therefore are you indicating that you would like to see a candidate that would say we will leave come what may on the 3ist? will leave come what may on the 31st? i can't get it on any of the campaigns because i am conducting the election but looking at three or four of the 11 seriously at this moment in time, i think there are three things that are important to me. number one, we leave the eu as quickly and speedily as possible, fulfilling our promise at the last general election. number two, i'm
interested in the domestic agenda and what they are going to do about public services, the economy and all those sorts of things, and finally, the most important thing for us is the most important thing for us is the general election. i don't think we will wait until 2022 as i am sure we will wait until 2022 as i am sure we will wait until 2022 as i am sure we will have a general election sooner we will have a general election sooner than that so who is going to deliver victory for the conservative party is. the candidate i will vote for is the one that ticks those three boxes. let's bring in your colleague who thinks borisjohnson is the person to do that. is that bourne out by what you take from the peterborough result? boris is brilliant. we need someone with brilliance and i canvassed my local conservative association and they definitely want a brexiteers as the next prime minister and the preferred choice is boris. he was a fantastic mayor of london, delivered the olympics and has the experience and isa the olympics and has the experience and is a scholar and is full of ideas and he can carry the party raise the money and win a general
election and he's the only one who can beat jeremy corbyn. election and he's the only one who can beatjeremy corbyn. he did so in london and he can beat farage. he has the style, the —— and people wa nt has the style, the —— and people want personalities. however good the other candidates are they want somebody they can identify with and who can deliver on brexit. somebody they can identify with and who can deliver on brexitlj appreciate you are looking at someone appreciate you are looking at someone to take on nigel for raj and what he stands for is leaving with no deal —— nigel farage. but the outcome of the elections, the european, the locals in the peterborough by—election do not indicate that there is a majority support in the country at large for a no—deal brexit, and in fact, when you look at the share of the vote in the european elections, the majority was in favour of remain. so on that basis is boris johnson was in favour of remain. so on that basis is borisjohnson actually the right person to win the tory party a majority. just one more statistic, rory stewart said that support for
remain parties outnumber support for parties that want no deal in 124 conservative seats. there is danger everywhere you look, isn't there?|j dispute everywhere you look, isn't there?” dispute your figures. the fact is that the country voted to come out and we have to come out and boris will get us out and it's quite likely we will get improved terms, but if not, we have to leave on the sist but if not, we have to leave on the 31st of october. that is what my midlands constituency voted for and thatis midlands constituency voted for and that is what i am in favour of and i think mps should listen to their constituents and deliver on what they were asked to do. can any leader of the tory party take this country out without a deal? we saw what happened in parliament when it was voted to block. i can't wait for the hustings to see what the candidates will say and distinguish them. that it's not particular to candidates, it's about the parliamentary arithmetic and the powers of mps and we have seen them exercised in ways that have not been
predicted in the run—up these elections. they have the opportunity on tuesday and wednesday to tell us how we will leave the european union and we have a fair spectrum of candidates out there. but my question is, can any leader of the tory party take us out without a deal? dominic raab said he did not rule out going over parliament but we have 11 candidates at the moment and we will try to get it down to two byjune and we will try to get it down to two by june the and we will try to get it down to two byjune the 20th if not before and the important thing for david and the important thing for david andi and the important thing for david and i is that whoever the last two are that the one who is coming second does not drop out. have the opportunity to look at all of them and perform at the hustings, radio debates, tv debates and then give the membership the opportunity to choose who they want because they will have to speak with authority and parliament and theresa may was
crowned when andrea leadsom dropped out so she never really had the opportunity to speak with the authority of the conservative party membership and that has got to change this time. they have to go to the membership. just back to you, david, on that point of corroding parliament. one of the candidates that said it, dominic raab, there has been a lot of criticism about whether that is democratic or not when there are many people who say that they want a second referendum and they are told that is not democratic. do you think it would be democratic. do you think it would be democratic for parliament to be pushed out of the way in order to facilitate no deal? it is a possibility. i don't agree with dominic raab. all of the candidates can be prime minister but we need to wa ke can be prime minister but we need to wake up to the fact that the party, members of parliament, only one candidate can win a general election and that is borisjohnson.“ candidate can win a general election and that is boris johnson. if there isa and that is boris johnson. if there is a general election, what the results of these very selections we are seeing indicate is that the country at large, in the same way is
split three ways, and in that way, what would be the outcome most likely have a general election is a hung parliament. i don't think so. we will win it with boris. we have to back the person who is best supported by our conservative members, the best known in the country and has the best track re cord country and has the best track record and was a very good mayor of london who won a second term and delivered the olympics and i think that we just need to accept that he is the man and he nearly had it last time and at a time when we have these larger—than—life personalities like donald trump on the scene we need someone who is a personality and somebody who knows the americans well and who has negotiated with europe and was a journalist in europe and was a journalist in europe for many years and who can communicate well. there are other candidates standing, quite a lot. communicate well. there are other candidates standing, quite a lotm we don't leave the european union we
will get hammered at the next election, simple as that, so whoever we choose, we have to get out of the european union. so labour won the seat last night — but only just. here in the studio is owenjones, a supporter ofjeremy corbyn and columnist for the guardian newspaper. in brighton is lloyd russell moyle, labour mp for kemptown and peacehaven. he's part of the so—called people's vote campaign for a second referendum. and in his bassetlaw constituency is john mann. i wasn't sure if he was joining us or not. he was one ofjust three labour mps who supported theresa may's brexit deal in parliament. despite differing opinions across our city, the fact that the brexit party have been rejected here in peterborough shows that the politics... shows that the politics of division will not win. let's go
tojohn of division will not win. let's go to john mann who of division will not win. let's go tojohn mann who isjoining us from worksop. welcome, thank you. it was a victory, but incredibly tight, just 683 votes ahead of a party that was only formed eight weeks ago. what do you read into the result?m was predictable. the reason it's predictable is that the brexit party is going to have quite an influence until we actually get out of the european union but i didn't think, andi european union but i didn't think, and i don't think it will be a party thatis and i don't think it will be a party that is going to make a substantial inroad into parliament. there is a possibility that they will win some seats if we don't get out and they could have won this one. it was close and it was the kind of seat they could win and there are a number of seats like that across country. but the problem for labour is, if we don't learn the lesson
that our problem in winning the election is the votes we are losing on brexit rather than the liberal democrats, then we will lose the next election and lose it conclusively. the liberal democrat vote in this by—election was only half what they got in 2010 in peterborough. and that demonstrates how our problem across the country, ourfundamental how our problem across the country, our fundamental problem is how our problem across the country, ourfundamental problem is if we lose votes, either people abstaining and the turnout was down in peterborough, or people voting not conservative, but labour voters going to the brexit party. you won't win many seats on the back of that, but they can get enough votes to lose seats and keep us out of power and therefore the lesson is, get on with our manifesto promise and get the uk out of the european union as
agreed by the referendum. on the liberal democrats and i don't want to get in the stats, they were up nine points on their share in the previous election so it is a mixed picture for the different parties, so let's bring in lloyd russell moyle. what is your reading of what labour needs to do now. obviously it isa win, labour needs to do now. obviously it is a win, but against a backdrop of a governing party incomplete disarray and we have been hearing that the leadership contest is under way in the party that came in second only just way in the party that came in second onlyjust 700 way in the party that came in second only just 700 votes way in the party that came in second onlyjust 700 votes behind it was onlyjust 700 votes behind it was only therefore eight weeks. first of all this is not a party of its only been there for eight weeks. this is the continuity ukip party and it's led by the same people and it has broadly the same voter base and we saw it at the european election
where the combined right—wing parties were reduced by about 10% and the combined left—wing and liberal parties increased their vote, and a similar look can be seen in this result. lisa has done a very good campaign and what i think it shows is that when we talk about national issues, positively, people will stay with us. this was a marginal seat before and it is a marginal seat before and it is a marginal seat before and it is a marginal seat now. what we must make sure we don't do in the labour party is split the left and liberal vote because even in northern seats and southern seats across the whole country, if we lose and split the centre—left, country, if we lose and split the ce ntre—left, we will country, if we lose and split the centre—left, we will fail. there have always been working—class people who voted for right—wing parties, the ragged trousers philanthropist is a good example if anybody has read that book, but we know that labour only wins when we unite the liberal left, the young and old, working class vote and that
is why sitting on the fence does not work. we need to be clear to people that we don't want a no—deal brexit because that means nojobs, no steel, no manufacturing in this country. is it time for an end to sitting on the fence, owenjones? it's been a question asked for some time but the position remains fundamentally the same for labour.” think it is. i am a brexit pragmatist, not many of us left, and there lies the problem. since the general election there has been a polarisation in terms of remain vote rs polarisation in terms of remain voters increasingly getting angry about brexit while for many leave vote rs about brexit while for many leave voters the only genuine brexit has become a no—deal brexit and i think it is sad that there is no middle ground and it has collapsed because the labour policy was that they lost the labour policy was that they lost the referendum, so come up with a compromise deal to bring the country together but the problem is the appetite for that compromise has simply gone. the labour position is to support a referendum in all
circumstances but the labour co nfe re nce circumstances but the labour conference will decide that policy unequivocally later in the year and ina general unequivocally later in the year and in a general election, the so—called clause five process will decide on that policy. if labour had come out and been explicit on that prior to the by—election, might labour have lost? the problem is they basically did after the european elections. jeremy corbyn said there would be a second referendum in all circumstances and i am someone who's got problems with it and i understand the drawbacks but given that labour shifted towards that position, if you want laboratory conditions for the best possible conditions for the best possible conditions for the brexit party, this was it. this was not a natural labour seat, it was held by the conservatives with a big majority through the thatcher and major period and it was lost under tony blair in 2005 to a man who might as well be on ukip. he said he was at one with ukip at some point. labour only scraped in 2017 to a candidate
who got convicted for perverting the course ofjustice who got convicted for perverting the course of justice and who got convicted for perverting the course ofjustice and then compared herself tojesus christ course ofjustice and then compared herself to jesus christ and i spoke to labour officials and they thought it had gone at that time. then the brexit party had all the big momentum and in the european elections they romped home. the story on the ground in peterborough is the ground war work. labours advantage with the mass membership and momentum did carpools, they motorised people and that is what should scare the other parties because what they did in that campaign was focused on issues away from brexit. do you remember for the referendum when we weren't divided by our relationship with the european union questioned those boring issues like child poverty in housing and public services. everything has been pushed aside. housing and public services. everything has been pushed asidem shows we need to pivot back as a country to those issues. in peterborough i think the labour campaign try to focus on the issues but the sad reality is that we
wouldn't want a second referendum if we can get away with it but i don't think that in peterborough that showed that. i want to bring back the mps in for their reaction. you've got a new labour mp, one who has been caught up in considerable controversy around anti—semitism. john manley, is that helpful right now? —— john mann. john manley, is that helpful right now? -- john mann. the comments weren't helpful and what it demonstrates, and i don't think it was a particular vote loser in peterborough. not in terms of if it isa peterborough. not in terms of if it is a vote loser or winner or whether it is right for the labour party to have a new mp who has been on social media liking anti—semitic articles. on one issue she has apologised but there are various other things like signing the letter calling on the labour party not to adopt the international wording on anti—semitism. that is an ongoing issue for labour so is it helpful to
have a new mp that has been caught up have a new mp that has been caught up in that? as a labour mp she will have to change her attitude and approach and be educated on these matters. how would she be educated? we have adopted the international definition and therefore she has had to adopt that and what it shows is that the problem of anti—semitism is very deep rooted in parts of the left and if the labour party doesn't get on top of it it is an impediment that in my view will cost over —— then the next election and i have been saying this for a long time that they need to get on top of this issue with real leadership and it hasn't happened yet. yet again we have seen it has been a problem. when you say she should be educated on the issues around anti—semitism, what would you propose should happen? i think it would be very
sensible if she was to go and visit the community security trust and see what the realities are forjewish people in this country and to ask if she can go to a jewish school and see what goes on there in terms of security. i think any new mp would be shocked to find out the realities forjewish people living in this country and i think that, where other people have done it, it has been a real eye—opener and it has meant that they have been really engaged in seeing why there are these problems and that gets people to reassess their ignorant, casual statements, and social media activity, and that is helpful for any mp and it would certainly be helpful for this new mp, any mp and it would certainly be helpfulfor this new mp, lisa. thank you all very much. we'll have more
on new research suggesting domestic abuse victims in the uk are three three times more likely to develop severe mental illness and i'll bejoined by the environmentalist ben fogle who's calling for us all to give up single use plastics. yesterday, we brought you the news that the adolescent services part of st andrew's healthcare unit in northamptonshire has been put into special measures following a damning report by the care quality commission, which says aspects of the care there are uncaring and unsafe. last month, we reported from the unit, where some patients are held in seclusion. and we've also brought you the case of ayla haines, who is being cared for in a different part of st andrew's healthcare, and swallowed a toothbrush a year ago which is still inside her. here's a clip from our first report on ayla, which we broadcast in april. she is my only child. she is everything to me. she is my life. it
is just unbelievable. i am living a nightmare. at age 19, ayla was admitted to an assessment and treatment unit after struggling with anorexia and other mental health illnesses. her life consists of spending her days from half past seven in the morning to half past nine at night in one room. she hasn't been out of that ward for the past year, apart from once, and apart from hospital visits. we have not been able to see her for the past year. we were only allowed 310 minute phone calls per week. —— three ten minute phone calls. ayla has spent the last seven years in psychiatric hospitals and is currently at a medium secure unit, 200 miles away from her home on the outskirts of cardiff. her mum says her prolonged stay has had a detrimental effect on her health.
she has a huge bald patch on her head wear her hair will never grow, just from the head—banging she has done. that is irreversible. the doctor said possibly she has caused more brain damage through the head—banging. i don't know. i don't see a happy ending, really. she loved dressing up, in the village carnival, she was dressed up as a dalmatian. are you worried that you might never see her again? very much so. might never see her again? very much so. i might never see her again? very much so. lam nearly might never see her again? very much so. i am nearly 80 years of age and i have a heart condition and it's distressing, not only for me, but having to watch ayla suffer and watch my daughter suffer. and then i'm powerless to do anything about it. i have tried for seven years, and asked so many people for help. and it'sjust not there.
i have been talking to ayla's mother and grandmother and they told us that she visited yesterday and how can tereus —— condition had deteriorated. awful. worse than we have ever seen her really. in what way? when we walked in she has a huge dressing on her head from where she has been head—banging and she has burns over her face and on she has been head—banging and she has burns over herface and on her eyes and ears where she threw boiling water over her. she has a plaster cast on her arm because she had chewed a hole in her arm which she had to have an operation for a couple of weeks ago and they put a plaster cast on so she cannot tamper with the wound. but that was smelling, so we think that was infected because apparently she had put water on the plaster cast. with the aim of getting an infection so she can die. she did go to the general hospital yesterday to have that looked at. she has an infected ingrowing toenail, which apparently she hasn't had attention for because you have to pay £50 to see the podiatrist,
which was news to me. she isjust medicated up. awful. we saw her on wednesday. that was a relatively good visit, but yesterday we only saw herfor 20 minutes and she had to leave the visit. she was struggling to much. it must be incredibly distressing for you both to have to keep going through this. it is horrendous. you will be aware that there was a report yesterday that was looking into the adolescent services provided by st andrew's health care in northamptonshire. it has gone into special measures as a result of that. the most recent care quality commission report into the area where your daughter is being looked after, the women's services, rated the women's services as good, and noted that they do provide comprehensive care plans. we understand that they dispute some of what is being reported
about what is happening with ayla, but they say they can't comment because of confidentiality issues. clearly, they are looking after people who are in a very vulnerable situation and who are unable to look after themselves. yes. so they are doing a difficultjob. they are doing a difficultjob. to me, one of the reasons why she went to st andrew's that is well documented. that never happened. they said it would be dangerous for someone with her condition. when she went into hospital, she was on very little medication, just one antidepressant, and then on a therapeutic dose. they claim she is making progress, she hasn't left the ward for a year. she has had a phenomenal amount of self injuries. i can't see where the progress is coming from. the staff are also a huge problem. not the quality of staff. a lot of the staff are phenomenal, but there are often staff shortages. and the fact that ayla is also so far away from home, she has been on this ward for two years. she has only recently started seeing a psychologist.
the environment is just not conducive to getting well. can you envisage her ever being well enough to get out? not at the moment, and not with this current regime. the chief executive of st andrew's healthare, katie fisher, told us last month that there are several patients in their care who shouldn't be there, but they can't be moved because of a lack of places in the community. how frustrating do you find that? it is really frustrating. i'm also aware that they are worried that if they take her and something happens, they are then liable for her. the safety side of it is a big issue. so when patients go into that sort of care, it is supposed to be for a nine to 18 month period and the average is five years. ayla has been there for seven years. she has been at st andrew's for three years. she was in our local hospital for nine months. then she went to the priory in roehampton for a few months. then a low—secure in
cardiff for three years. and she has been here for three years. she is a 26—year—old girl. there's no quality of life at all. she has been punished, basically, for being ill. but ultimately, you have to put your trust in the medical profession, i presume. we have no choice. once you agree to that section, that's it, you lose any say in anything. and the tribunal system is farcical. thank you both very much for coming in. that was jane and judy haines, talking about ayla. single—use plastics like plastic bags, straws, drinks bottles and most food packaging — are having a devastating impact on ocean pollution. so what can really be done? ben fogle is going single—use plastic free and is encouraging the rest of us to give up one item
of single—use plastic tomorrow and continue this for a month to try and get us to change our habits. we've got ben with us now and also on the line is flossie donnolly, who started cleaning beaches every week after she noticed rubbish floating in the sea. welcome, flossie. we will be with you ina welcome, flossie. we will be with you in a moment. ijust want to hear from and first about what the challenge is. you want everyone to give up one item of single—use plastic for a month. makes me so happy seeing flossie there. that is where i should be! we know there is a crisis with plastics. in 2016, is a crisis with plastics. in 2016, is a global population we produced 320 million tonnes of plastic, 269,000 tonnes estimated to be in the oceans. you and i are consuming up to 100,000 particles every year. we know there is a problem. i would argue that we need to turn off the plastic tap for good. there's enough plastic tap for good. there's enough plastic on the planet. let's start trying to reuse all of that. but i also want to empower people to make
also want to empower people to make a difference themselves. we were chatting just before and you were saying it is impossible when you go into a supermarket, it is almost impossible to do your shopping without consuming plastic. i agree and that is what i'm calling for supermarkets to try and implement plastic free aisles. a plastic tax worked with the plastic bag. but we as consumers can make a difference. i hear people saying they feel and empowered because there is too much plastic around. but i have teamed up and we want everyone to give up one piece of single—use plastic for a month. that will save 300 million pieces of plastic, just to see how it goes. that could be abstaining from that bottle of water, making sure you leave the water with your recycla ble sure you leave the water with your recyclable bottle. we have heard this mantra many times and i don't wa nt to this mantra many times and i don't want to sound like i am hectoring people, but it's just about changing our mindset. humans are habitual creatures. we have just become accustomed to the fact that you run out of the house and you get your coffee on the go and you get your bottle of water on the go. it
doesn't have to be like that. you can consume the coffee before you leave the house, or take a good old—fashioned mug. i know it's a hassle and it can break and it's not perfect and sometimes you are caught out. but i would prefer that 100% of the nation makes a 10% change to their consumer habits, rather than insisting that 10% of the nation makes a 100% change. i am the first to hold up my hands. that is a good point, because there does tend to be a sense of how you have to be holier than thou or do everything right, or what's the point? a bit like politics now, the environmental message has become polarised. you're either in or you're out. if you're not green with capital letters, that it's easy to pick holes at you. but iam farfrom it's easy to pick holes at you. but i am far from perfect it's easy to pick holes at you. but i am farfrom perfect in it's easy to pick holes at you. but i am far from perfect in terms of my green credentials. i put my hands up there. but this is my point. i want to encourage people to make even the smallest difference. that statistic that if all of us gave up one piece
of single—use plastic, that would save 300 million pieces of plastic potentially ending up in our oceans. people like flossie won't have to pick it allup!! people like flossie won't have to pick it all up!! let's see what flossie has been picking up. it is great to see you. your 12. tell us how long you have been doing this on the beach. i have been cleaning beaches now for two years, starting when i was nine. i do it because i ca re when i was nine. i do it because i care about marine life and the sea. and i don't want it today. it's not for knowing that a whale or a sea lion could suffer because of what we have caused. do you find much when you are out? what sort of things do you are out? what sort of things do you pick up? it depends on the day and the weather. if it is sunny, we find quite a lot. if it is rainy, we don't find as much because people are not on the beach as much. 0r don't find as much because people are not on the beach as much. or if there is a very bad storm and the ship might have crashed, then we find lots! we find loads of
different things on the beach, like small pieces of plastic, microplastic, bottles, cans, half eaten pairs of men's pants. half eaten pairs of men's pants. half eaten pairs of men's pants. half eaten pairs of men's pants? oh, yeah! it is not a beach clean if you don't find one. and i am assuming also like a lot of kids who are engaged with this, that you are talking to everyone around you to say this is an issue that you need to bea say this is an issue that you need to be a cross. are you doing that?” tell adults that i don't want my generation to suffer from what their generation to suffer from what their generation cause. but i don't like to dictate to adults because that would be a bit rude, in a way. let me bring in comments from people at home, flossie. there are no mail says plastic should be treated as a controlled substance and should only be allowed to be used for essential
purposes where other materials are unsuitable, like the use of medical equipment. we need to develop new biodegradable materials or revert to old materials like wood, metal or rubber. anything less will lead to us rubber. anything less will lead to us banning feather in our own detritus. lyon says the government and councils should cover the cost of cleaning up plastic. why did they ever change from glass bottles? garrett says i can see no way to prevent businesses using the convenience of plastic. we should ban the use of single—use plastic to eliminate the convenience. as mrs say the consumer demands it single that rubbish. the consumer chooses from what there is. business has the motive of profit and it is not honourable, or else we would not be using single—use plastic spheres. profit is no reason to damage the planet. and another viewer says, i'm runa planet. and another viewer says, i'm run a business making organic chocolate. i use packaging which looks like plastic but is made from cornstarch and is comfortable. if i can do it, there is no excuse for the big companies not to switch to compostable materials. he says he is
doing that voluntarily. what about there being more of an onus on companies to do something or face penalties. could they government be doing more? ithink penalties. could they government be doing more? i think big penalties. could they government be doing more? ithink big businesses have a responsibility. businesses across the board, whether they be in banking, insurance, investment or producing goods, they have to change their whole mindset on what is profit. profit has traditionally a lwa ys profit. profit has traditionally always been dictated as pure financial returns, but profit is more complex than that and it should include the environment and social impact, the happiness index. new zealand have just announced that wealth will have a much broader interpretation. that is what we need to do here. we can minimise our impact. and the fact that flossie is out cleaning those beaches, she shouldn't have to be there. we shouldn't have to be there. we should nip it in the bud and turn off that tab in the first place.
final question for you by. campaigning, would you want to go into politics? would i want to go into politics? would i want to go into politics? would i want to go into politics? i think it's a tha nkless into politics? i think it's a thankless task. i have thought about it over the years. i have had some experiences that could be quite useful for it. but i don't know if anyone would want me. i am a political refugee right now. i have no idea where i am supposed to go. i am slightly lost. flossie, do you wa nt to am slightly lost. flossie, do you want to be a campaigner when you go up, ora want to be a campaigner when you go up, or a politician? i would prefer to bea up, or a politician? i would prefer to be a marine biologist. being a politician would not really be my dream. iwant politician would not really be my dream. i want governments to listen. you have to do something about the climate emergency. being a politician could work and i could make changes, but on the other hand lam make changes, but on the other hand i am still make changes, but on the other hand lam stilla make changes, but on the other hand i am still a kid and i have make changes, but on the other hand lam stilla kid and i have higher
dreams! you are a kid, enjoy it! being a marine biologist sounds like a brilliant future career. thank you to both of you. if anyone wants to get involved, just go onto twitter, hashtag #protectparadise.” get involved, just go onto twitter, hashtag #protectparadise. i will have to consider which item of plastic to give up. a landmark study looking into the effect of domestic violence on women's mental health has found that victims of abuse are three times more likely than other women to develop mental illnesses — including schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. the study — by experts at the university of birmingham — analysed the medical records of almost 100,000 women over more than 20 years. it's the first time researchers have followed women's experience from the point at which they suffered abuse to the development of a mental illness. the researchers say opportunities to spot the warning signs of abuse are being missed and are calling for improved screening and record—keeping. let's talk now to emma armstrong,
a domestic abuse survivor who's suffered from mental health issues. she now works at reigate and banstead women's aid refuge. we are also joined by drjoht singh chandan, who was the lead author on the study and dr beena rajkumar, co—chair of the women's mental health special interest group at the royal college of psychiatrists. i will come to you first, drjoht singh chandan. tell us more about the research you have done and how clear the link is that you have established a new study between domestic abuse and serious mental illness. good morning to all the listeners and viewers and thank you for inviting me to talk about the study. one of the most important thing is to highlight is that u nfortu nately, thing is to highlight is that unfortunately, domestic abuse is still a huge problem in the uk. estimates from the crime survey last year found that approximately one in four women within the uk may have expense domestic abuse at some
point, which is why we thought this research was important to undertake. as you have mentioned, we conducted a long piece of research where we followed up women at the point of exposure to domestic abuse and followed them to the point of developing a mental illness and compared them to women who did not have the exposure to domestic abuse. the key findings of our study were that women who had experience domestic abuse were three times more likely to develop a mental illness. secondly, the women who have experienced domestic abuse at the point of them being recorded as experiencing domestic abuse were also three times more likely to have had a recorded mental illness diagnosis. thirdly, the greatest problem that we identified is that there was a huge level of under recording of domestic abuse within primary care or within gp records.” was going to ask you about that. when you talk about following people from the start of being in a situation where they are being
subjected to abuse, obviously part of why people tolerate certain things is because they are not necessarily aware what they are being subjected to is unacceptable and is abuse, so they are not necessarily talking to others about it. and if anything, that is one of the key findings of the study. u nfortu nately, we the key findings of the study. unfortunately, we have groups of vulnerable women who are being subjected to abuse. one of the highlights of the study is, are there any opportunities for us to help those vulnerable women before they end up being exposed to domestic abuse? emma, that is a question we can talk about. you have suffered domestic abuse yourself and you had mental health issues and you now work with other women going through the same to help them. what are your thoughts when you hear dr joht singh chandan talking about trying to identify the issues early
and avoid women having to go through it and developing the mental health issues that then seem to come for so many? for me as a survivor, i was in an abusive relationship for six years. when i left, i knew it wasn't right, but i didn't know it was domestic abuse. i didn't know it was sexual abuse. a lot of it was still unknown to me. had somebody said to me at the time, are you safe, do you feel safe with your partner? i would have said no, i don't. that question might have helped me seek help earlier. as a result, i didn't feel like i had enough awareness of domestic abuse at the time. i feel like i stayed in the relationship for a like i stayed in the relationship fora numberof like i stayed in the relationship for a number of reasons, but for me it was the fear of leaving the abusive relationship because my partner used attempted suicides as a way to keep me there. on the last occasion when i did leave him, he successfully committed suicide. so for me, it was mainly the fear of
having his death on my conscience that kept me in there. but if somebody had said to me, do you feel safe?, it would have been an easy question to answer no. at what point do you think mental health issues started to come to the fore for you? you were in a situation that you we re you were in a situation that you were tolerating and you said you weren't looking at yourself as a victim in that context. that came later when you looked back. victim in that context. that came later when you looked backm victim in that context. that came later when you looked back. it was only after leaving him. i knew i didn't have much self—esteem and confidence. but at the time, you are so confidence. but at the time, you are so paralysed when you are in an abusive relationship, it is so powerful that it takes control of every part of you. you can't even think straight. it was after i left the abusive relationship and started work at the refuge that i realised my self—esteem was gone. i had no confidence. i was really struggling with ptsd, so i suffered horrendously with nightmares, flashbacks. sol horrendously with nightmares, flashbacks. so i relied heavily on the gp and said i needed help, but it was only after i left the
relationship that i realised how severely i had been affected. can you see how things could have been different? you are in a situation where you felt trapped and you can understand that looking back, but could someone else had done something earlier? there is definitely room for improvement in terms of educating people around domestic abuse. sadly, too often victims are blamed for staying in an abusive relationship. people say, why didn't you just leave? exactly, people say, i would never let someone do that. to be honest, i would have said that to. so explain to people who do look at it like that and think, i wouldn't tolerate that, how it ends up that you do find yourself trapped in a situation. you lose complete control. everything from the way you think, though you feel, the way you get up in the morning is controlled
that person. for me and other victims, we live in fear. we do everything we can to ensure we don't create the next kick—off because at the time, you are made to believe it is your fault that you are being treated that way. so you do everything you can almost smooth it over and try everything you can almost smooth it overand try and everything you can almost smooth it over and try and keep yourself safe and everyone around you safe as well. dr beena rajkumar, are you surprised at all by anything that this report has shown up? it seems like it would be an obvious link, mental illness arising from being in a challenging domestic situation. not at all. i haven't found the results of the study surprising at all. as a front line psychiatrist working with complex mental health needs, this is something i feel the time, the devastating impact of domestic abuse and mental health. if
you think about it, when somebody is subjected to coercion and compulsive experiences like what emma was talking about, it affects their self—esteem, their confidence, and they become quite isolated because they become quite isolated because they lose the ability to trust people. and that makes them vulnerable to developing mental health problems including complex ptsd. also depression, serious mental illness. so the study itself has not been surprising. what was surprising, however, is the extent to which general practices are missing the opportunity to spot domestic abuse and make an intervention. that is a wake—up call for us. a lot of people don't talk about it because they either don't really understand what is going on, or sometimes people say that by talking about it, it makes it real
and then it is something you have to deal with. so no doubt there are people going to their gp while going through this, and it would be hard for the gp to spot because they are not talking about what is going on in their lives. maybe symptoms are showing in a different way. so what could be done in that context? how cana gp could be done in that context? how can a gp or anyone around that person help? as you said, women don't talk about it, for understandable reasons. that is the nature of domestic abuse. so the onus is on us as professionals to make sure we are asking the questions and not just asking, but we know what to ask. in general practice, people ask about smoking and alcohol consumption because of the impact it has on physical health. similarly, we must ask about domestic abuse as a screening
question because of the impact it has on mental health. it's also about knowing how to ask and what to ask so that we take a trauma informed approach which is moving away from what is wrong with you, which is filled with judgment and blame, instead asking, what happened with you, which is filled with empathy and validation. that is a very powerful position. emma, the gps obviously have a role. family and friends around somebody as well can play a role. he said some people —— you set some people might say, why would you stay and put up with that? what should people around somebody who is going through this be doing? just listen and ask the
question is, are you 0k? do you want to talk? victims will only leave when they are ready to leave. nobody else will have control over that, unfortunately. it's just about else will have control over that, unfortunately. it'sjust about being patient and supporting that person and saying, i am patient and supporting that person and saying, lam here if you want patient and supporting that person and saying, i am here if you want to talk. for me with the gp, i didn't disclose anything to my gp until after he had committed suicide, because i was so afraid that the police would get involved. so i think raising awareness notjust among family and friends, but educating everybody in society that domestic abuse is still affecting one in fourwomen, that domestic abuse is still affecting one in four women, that is a huge statistic and people can say it doesn't happen, but it could happen to anyone. so let's talk about it and have the conversations around domestic abuse. thank you all for joining us, drjoht singh chandan, dr beena rajkumar and emma armstrong. let us know if you have
been affected by the issues we have been affected by the issues we have been discussing. you can go on the bbc news website and there are links to places you can get support. let's show you the latest pictures we are getting of the newest labour mp, the by—election winner in peterborough last night, lisa forbes. these are pictures from a few moments ago. she won that by—election in peterborough yesterday by a narrow margin, winning by 683 votes, just ahead of the candidate for nigel farage's brexit party, mike green. so it was a tough fight and it was suggested yesterday that the brexit party would win, but in the event, the counter overnight saw victory for lisa forbes, a union activist. she said her victory is significant and shows that the people have rejected
the politics of division. she says that one of the reasons she won was because she did not want to talk about the single issue of brexit. she talked about the local issues that the constituents are facing. for its part, the brexit party has said no seat is safe after how it did in peterborough. nigel farage said peterborough was 201st in the brexit party's list of target constituencies. let me bring in some comments from you at home watching on that result. one person says when nigel farage says the brexit party are new kids on the block, it is rubbish. they are ukip mach two and they threw everything at peterborough and still couldn't win. they won't make a breakthrough in the general election. bill says is a brexiteer, we demand a second vote in peterborough. there are 69,000 voters in the constituency. the labour party received 10,484 votes,
which means 58,250 voters rejected their candidate, ie 85% of the peterborough voters did not want labour. the turnout there was about 48%. thank you for your company today. have a good afternoon. before we go, we can check in quickly with jeremy corbyn. he is out and about in peterborough following on from that by—election victory. it was a tight win, so jeremy that by—election victory. it was a tight win, sojeremy corbyn is in peterborough to celebrate labour's newest mp. more coverage on the bbc news channel. see you soon. bye—bye. a spell of wet and windy weather to come over the next 24 hours. on the radar, you can see the rain already moving on from the south. it is gradually pushing north. some heavy and persistent rain, and it is
courtesy of an area of low pressure. you can see it on the pressure chart. it is going to push its way north as we go through today and tonight, bringing some wet and windy weather. we will continue to see rain pushing north into northern england, late arriving into central and southern parts of scotland. for northern scotland and northern ireland, some sunny spells and one or two showers. the rain will be heavy and persistent through wales. we are starting to see something brighterfurther we are starting to see something brighter further south, with sunny spells. also the risk of some showers. here is how it looks through the second half of today. there will be heavy and thundery downpours, the winds picking up as well.
you're watching bbc newsroom live — it's 11:00am and these are the main stories this morning: labour sees off a challenge from the brexit party to win the peterborough by—election with a slim majority. we had a fantastic candidate, a fantastic campaign, and the people of peterborough rejected austerity, and rejected the a no—deal brexit being offered by the brexit party. i am delighted and congratulate lisa forbes this morning. brexit is the defining issue of our age. labour won because they have data. labour have won because they know who their voters are in this constituency, and they managed to turn enough of them out. the conservatives came third — as theresa may formally stands down as party leader — but stays on as pm for now.