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hello it's thursday, it's ten o'clock, i'm chloe tilley. borisjohnson's new cabinet is already getting down to work. they met this morning at downing street. it comes after over half the old cabinet resigned or were sacked. a "political massacre", a "bloodbath", the "night of the blonde knives" — that's how some newspapers described it. it is wonderful to see this new team assembled here, representing, i think, the depth and breadth of talent in our extraordinary party, and, as you all know, we have a momentous task ahead of us. borisjohnson has brought committed brexiteers into his cabinet — have they been put on a general election footing? it has been dubbed the do or die
cabinet, with every minister committed to quitting the eu by october 31st. but is there trouble ahead on the tory backbenches? but is there trouble ahead on the tory backbenches? what do voters want from the new government? we've brought mps, commentators and voters together and we'll ask — is a no—deal brexit more likely than ever? what about a general election? and what should the new pm's priorities be? and could this be the hottest day ever recorded in the uk? temperatures could reach 39 degrees celsius in southern and eastern england today. we'll have you a full forecast just before 11. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning.
what do you want from let us know — use the hashtag victoria live. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. (vm borisjohnson has chaired his first cabinet meeting, after a massive clear—out of theresa may's senior team. the new prime minister moved quickly to install brexiteers in key posts to help carry out his pledge to take the uk out of the eu by the end of october, with or without a deal. borisjohnson said they had a momentous task ahead. meanwhile, scotland's first minister, nicola sturgeon, has urged borisjohnson to rule out the possibility of a no—deal brexit because of the damage it would do to the scottish economy. in a letter to the prime minister, nicolas sturgeon said analysis by the holyrood government shows that a no—deal departure would result in the loss of a 100,000 jobs in scotland. she also insisted that scotland must be allowed to hold a second
referendum on independence. temperatures could soar to an unprecedented high of 39—degrees celsius this afternoon, on what's forecast to be the uk's hottest day on record. meteorologists say the heatwave is likely to peak in the london area — but the extreme weather will extend across much of the country, with highs of 30 celsius in parts of wales and scotland. rail passengers in southern england have been advised to consider changing their travel plans, after network rail said it would implement speed restrictions to prevent tracks buckling in the heat. the japanese car giant nissan has announced it is cutting 12,500 jobs globally over the next three years. in its quarterly earnings, nissan said net profits plunged 94.5%. the car—maker has faced a series of challenges this year, including falling sales in the us and europe and the aftermath of the arrest of former boss carlos ghosn. nissan will reduce its production capacity by 10% by the end of 2022, but it hasn't said where the cuts will fall.
north korea has fired two short—range missiles into the sea, according to officals in south korea. there's been no official comment from the united states, which has agreed to resume talks with the north on plans for the demilitarisation of the korean peninsular. pyongyang has recently suggested that military exercises between washington and seoul could jeopardise those negotiations. good morning everyone. borisjohnson has taken an axe to theresa may's cabinet. the new men and women in the cabinet met this morning — these are the latest pictures of them. they are going to be running policy in all the areas that matter to you — from housing, to transport, the nhs, social security. and, of course, brexit. so who's in and who's out? this is what he had to say. good
morning everybody and it is wonderful to see this new team assembled here, representing here i think the depth and breadth of talent in our extraordinary party, and as you all know we have a momentous task ahead of us, at a pivotal moment in our country's history we are now committed, all of us, to leaving the european union, on 31st octoberfor or us, to leaving the european union, on 31st october for or indeed earlier, no ifs no buts but we are not going to wait until 31st october to to get on with a fantastic new are you still a defence minister we don't know, wait to see what the outcome is, but i'd like to see all members of parliament, conservative members of parliament, conservative members of parliament supporting the
prime minister in what you have described as the most testing 100 days any incoming prime minister could be facing, we need to secure a brexit deal and honour that result. when it is so testing it is right that boris johnson when it is so testing it is right that borisjohnson has the make up ofa that borisjohnson has the make up of a cabinet of so many brexiteers, he has wiped out any non—brexiteersers is that is way he is going to unify a country. there has been a tilt more to the brexit side but it is curious how the media don't play this polarisation remainest game. i voted to leave the eu three times in parliament, i voted remain, we have seen amber rudd, nicky morgan, ben wallace, we see sajid javid, these are all remainers, great to see sajid javid in the post. these are people who are committed to securing a decent deal so there is representation, if you want to look at it from that perspective. they have all signed up to leaving on 31st october, with
no—deal, because surely that is is a prerequisite of being in boris johnson's cabinet. prerequisite of being in boris johnson's cabinet. i am not privvy to that, what unites us all, i hope, andindeed to that, what unites us all, i hope, and indeed wider across partment is the consequence of a no—deal, it would be devastating to britain, and the union e we would have to result for northern ireland, there would be no financial services relationship, there would be no citizens' rights, all these are part of a deal, so it would also push, i think our party into opposition for about ten years, what we want to focus on is getting a deal, and that is the first priority of this prime minister. he has made that very clear. so is that cabinet that can govern for the whole country? absolutely, i think thatis whole country? absolutely, i think that is correct. i am pleased to sigh when you take the brexit issue away, you heard... to be, forgive me forjumping in, away, you heard... to be, forgive me for jumping in, because away, you heard... to be, forgive me forjumping in, because people may be watching this at home and saying if they have voted remain, say, how on earth can this cabinet speak for
me, when they are all signing up having to sign up to potentially leaving on 31st october, without a deal, some people will be tearing their hair out. you are wanting to big up the idea of no—deal, as if thatis big up the idea of no—deal, as if that is over ta ken big up the idea of no—deal, as if that is over taken our resolves to get a deal. one thing which is focussing minds here is the consequence of no—deal. but, if we don't get what we want from the eu, then that has been the strategy that has been assumed. i am optimistic we have a dup that we have to get back onboard, i think borisjohnson can do that. we have the erg that needs to be convinced. boris can do that as well. we have members of the labour party, 25 members of the labour party, 25 members of the labour party, 25 members of the labour party have declared themselves wants to secure a deal. the numbers are there. —— wanting. we need to be positive about wanting to secure a departure of the eu that will work for everybody. thank you norman smith is at downing street
where the cabinet have been meeting. have you got a sense from anybody going in, coming out of the direction we will hear from boris johnson later on today?” direction we will hear from boris johnson later on today? i think we know the direction we will hear which is we are leaving on 31st october come what may, no if, no buts, that is it. that is why we had this extraordinary clear out of theresa may's cabinet yesterday because boris johnson theresa may's cabinet yesterday because borisjohnson has decided there is no point faffing round, there is no point faffing round, there is no point faffing round, there is no point trying to balance there is no point trying to balance the cabinet, there is not any point in trying to apiece people who will probably never agree with him on brexit, he might as welljust go for it. that is exactly want he is doing, he has three months, just three months to deliver, and he is banking everything on being able to meet that deadline and so he's surrounded himself with people who will sign on the dotted line and are prepared to walk out the door, on sist prepared to walk out the door, on 31st october, if he can't pull it off, because i think frankly he has calculated if he doesn't do it by
sist calculated if he doesn't do it by 31st october, it's good night, goodbye, game over for the 31st october, it's good night, goodbye, game overfor the boris johnson premiership, so he is in effect going for broke. he has decided to ignore the doubter, he is ignoring all those who might think a bit more cautious please, play it careful. he is saying no, we will go for bust, we are going to see almost another referendum campaign, he is going to fight the next three months asa campaign going to fight the next three months as a campaign to leave. day after day, cranking up the pressure. here at home, stepping up the preparations for no—deal, and in europe, steadily piling on the pressure on the eu to give ground and if they don't, then, preparing to ta ke and if they don't, then, preparing to take us out without a deal. norman, thank you very so much. let me read you some of the comments coming, before i introduce you. stepping up the preparations for no—deal, and in europe, steadily piling on the pressure on the eu to give ground and if they don't, then, preparing to take us out without a deal. norman, thank you very so much. let me read you some of the comments
coming, before i introduce you. "i have never voted for conservatives but boris delivers he will have my vote. " but boris delivers he will have my vote." the pressure on the eu to give ground and if they don't, then, preparing to take us out without a deal. norman, thank you very so much. let me read you some of the comments coming, before i introduce you. "i have never voted for conservatives but boris delivers he will have my vote. " but boris delivers he will have my vote." "priti patel scares me the most as a disabled person." jacob rees—mogg commanding the tories agenda makes me hit my head and gavin williamson as education secretary is worse than putting ed balls in charge. you. "i have never voted for conservatives but boris delivers he will have my vote." “priti delivers he will have my vote." "priti patel scares me the most as a disabled person." jacob rees—mogg commanding the tories agenda makes me hit my head and gavin williamson as education secretary is worse than putting ed balls in charge. ruth says "what struck me was the positivity of the new prime minister and the new cabinet, in sharp contrast to the depressing doom laden anti—uk narrative of labour, the liberal democrats, the snp and the greens, disgraceful shadow front bench didn't wish may well. no class. " plenty bench didn't wish may well. no class." plenty more to come throughout the course of the programme. continue to get in touch. we're going to be spending most of the programme today discussing the big issues facing borisjohnson‘s government. with me is the brexit—supporting tory mp nigel evans, labour's treasury spokeswoman
annaliese dodds, the snp's stephen gethins, and christine jardine from the lib dems. also here the journalist and academic maya goodfellow, who writes for the labour supporting website labour list, anand menon who runs the organisation uk in a changing europe and is a brexit expert, and joanne nadler, who's a writer, journalist and former conservative party staffer. we've also brought together voters — some work for pressure groups, some are members of political parties, many of them are part of our "brexit panel" of voters who we've been speaking to lots over the past year. so let's talk first about those cabinet appointments. iam i am interested to get your thoughts on and there was lots of reaction to e—mails i was reading out about what people felt. what do you make of the make up of the cabinet.|j people felt. what do you make of the make up of the cabinet. i am a conservative party voter, and member, and i honestly think it was really good to get rid of a lot of the people in the cabinet. because you do need a cabinet that will support your vision, and at the end of the day by putting collective responsibility on to the table, they know what they are getting into.
great appointment with sajid javid, priti patel and dominic raab having given top position, so that was great. i have raised eyebrows from two of you. i am a labour member but iama two of you. i am a labour member but i am a women's rights activist and campaigner for human rights i am a women's rights activist and campaignerfor human rights and i am alarmed at the prospect of priti patel as home secretary, she has proven that she has no respect for parliamentary procedures, two years ago she was forced to resign after trying to hold court with the israelis on her own back. this is a woman who makes, and i tweeted this yesterday, she will make theresa may look like mary poppins, there is no way we are going to have an easy ride with somebody as hawkish as priti patel. iam ride with somebody as hawkish as priti patel. i am really concerned, because we have already seen cuts to the legal aid, we have seen disastrous policies for prisons, and for reform and she is going to make
everything a lot worse, so i am alarmed. i am 18. i am everything a lot worse, so i am alarmed. iam18. iam a conservative party member too. i started out supporting borisjohnson but i made the switch tojeremy hunt in the leadership campaign. with regards to the cabinet, there is some good but there is some questionable appointments which i wouldn't have made but what strikes me the most out of the cabinet appointments is that boris has made appointments is that boris has made a lot of enemy, he has sent a lot of people to the backbenches, and with the majority of two, perhaps one next week with the by—election in wales it strikes me as a controversial move to make, to set out and make so many enemies. do you think he is storing up a whole load of trouble? listen, the trouble is there any way, whatever he was going to do. i read one of fox's tweets disappointed that he has lost his job at international trade but he is support porting the government and
boris, you have heard tobias ellwood. he has his own reservation about the policy of brexit and how it is being played out but he is supporting boris, because the real choice for us now is not boris versus jeremy hunt, it choice for us now is not boris versusjeremy hunt, it is boris versusjeremy hunt, it is boris versus jeremy corbyn. versusjeremy hunt, it is boris versusjeremy corbyn. and that should fill anybody in this studio with dread, so, what i do believe is that people, you read one of the quotes about the can do, the positivity, that is something we never had under teresa, she never believed in the mission. i received an e—mail from boris believed in the mission. i received an e—mailfrom boris last night and he used these words, i guarantee you that we will leave the european union by 31st october. hallelujah, bring it on. ultimately to coin a phrase nothing really has changed and we are in the same position. loads has changed. the majority in parliament... can i say i reject first of all nigel, this whole it is boris orjeremy corbyn, frankly i
don't want either of them. absolutely. jo swinson is an alternative with the opinion polls tell us they want. we have had 6,000 new members since money, part is because people don't want boris johnson orjeremy corbyn. the country is in a mess and they want a change. i think that is what we will get. on that point about the labour front bench not standing to wish theresa may well. i agree that was wrong, we all stood. we all stood because you know, the prime minister is not, it is a wonderfuljob and it is not, it is a wonderfuljob and it isa is not, it is a wonderfuljob and it is a wonderful honour but it's a very difficultjob. is a wonderful honour but it's a very difficult job. if you believe boris johnson's very difficult job. if you believe borisjohnson‘s conversation with the queen why would anybody the job? you wanted to come in. the queen why would anybody the job? you wanted to come inlj the queen why would anybody the job? you wanted to come in. i am pastor lorraine. it is what it is with borisjohnson being lorraine. it is what it is with boris johnson being prime lorraine. it is what it is with borisjohnson being prime minister, iam happy borisjohnson being prime minister, i am happy that we have a prime
minister, because with us having a prime minister thejobs minister, because with us having a prime minister the jobs that need to be done need to be done, it is not all about brexit. i voted to eremain, we have a critical, critical critical crisis of young people, families that are suffering, low income families, children that are hungry, living in poverty, youth violent, when is this going to stop? the police need help, there has been a lot that has been said by the government, the government for decades, we need action, whoever is in power. boris johnson says there will be 20,000 more police officers. a lot is being said be what you is being implemented. theresa may last week said one billion will be odded to the police. that money has been said, nothing is in the bank. this is really important for and the point made earlier about what the cabinet looks like, we have someone as home secretary who has voted against banning pregnant women being
put in detention. we have someone wanting stricter immigration law, with the chancellor stripped away the right of shamima bug gum. things are ina the right of shamima bug gum. things are in a mess, schools are falling apart, our teachers are underfunded. children are going to school hungry and they say we have been dealing with brexit. they have been in government for the past nine year, what we are seeing with this new prime minister is not only people who have supported austerity which was a political choice but people who will move the conversation further to the right, borisjohnson isa man further to the right, borisjohnson is a man who because it is convenient for him to do to has called muslim women wearing the niqab comparing them to letter boxes, the problem was not we were in charge, the problem is we are no longer in charge, these are people who have no solutions to the big problems in this country because they have created these problems. joanne, do you want to come in? what the pastor has said is critical, and
i think it is very important that the conservative party does readd ress the conservative party does rea d dress i the conservative party does readdress i think, in cities probably the number one issue now, which is law and order and it is absolutely terrifying what is happening in london, and i commend yourcampaign. happening in london, and i commend your campaign. now, when boris johnson was mayor he claims that he made a big difference toe the spike in knife crime that happened while he was mayor. believe there has been some contention to the extent which he was able to help but unquestionably it was the case during his period as mayor, knife crime in london did come down. i think he is taking the seam team with him, the same intent into government and i think that you know, one of the reasons it is so important to get brexit out of the way is there are pressing social problems like this which need to be addressed and it is right that the conservative party, which has been in government as you say for nine yea rs, in government as you say for nine years, should be held to account over this. i am surprised there hasn't been more of an outrage about the knife crime situation.
hasn't been more of an outrage about the knife crime situationlj hasn't been more of an outrage about the knife crime situation. i am simon, ias the knife crime situation. i am simon, i as a member of the the knife crime situation. i am simon, ias a member of the labour party and think boris johnson would bea party and think boris johnson would be a fantastic prime minister. i believe that if politicians don't achieve brexit by 31st october democracy will be finished and no—one will vote for any of you again. what is the appeal for boris johnson as a labour supporter?” again. what is the appeal for boris johnson as a labour supporter? i am not old enough to remember mr churchill but he has that look about him. someone said they voted labour all her life, good on borisjohnson. i have to say, with all due respect to you, and i am pleased you are a lib member. when i am talking to people what they say to me about borisjohnson, they people what they say to me about boris johnson, they are concerned about him. because he is not serious. he is not serious about changing thing, i don't know if people had the chance to look a his first speech, i read it, and who was the plan for anything? it is not
even a plan. all he said is he said he wants to leave. there is no plan, how is he going to pay for this.” wa nt to how is he going to pay for this.” want to ask, how worrying is it? nigel is saying that a labour party taxi driver now likes boris, simon says he likes boris. this has to be, borisjohnson, this says he likes boris. this has to be, boris johnson, this has says he likes boris. this has to be, borisjohnson, this has to be a huge concern, for labour. i have to say, with all due respect to them and thatis with all due respect to them and that is not my experience talking to people across the country, many more people across the country, many more people are very worried about what he will do. the fact he is surrounding his with people who are ideological the same as him. that is the sign of weakness. no he had two yea rs the sign of weakness. no he had two years as foreign secretary and he achieved nothing. we are in this mess, when you talk about and you are right to talk about the domestic problems affecting, we had three year, i sit at westminster and it is ground to a halt. you see what is going on elsewhere and i am not
saying things are perfect in the scottish parliament but the legislation that is passed, there are things we can do better but it is getting on with the dayjob as well. you can do both and boris has done neither. the other thing is what he did do as foreign secretary was make things worse for nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe. to not be able to do hisjob zaghari—ratcliffe. to not be able to do his job and zaghari—ratcliffe. to not be able to do hisjob and not zaghari—ratcliffe. to not be able to do his job and not take these things seriously, has real life consequences. i seriously, has real life consequences. | was 011 seriously, has real life consequences. i was on the committee when that happened and let me, sorry, hold on, he was foreign secretary, can i say something. i was on the committee, so i was on the committee when he made that mistake and we asked him to correct it, this woman went to jail for a horrible regime, and do you know... cani horrible regime, and do you know... can i explain, they may not know what happened, nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe was being held in iran, she maintains she was there on holiday, boris johnson iran, she maintains she was there on holiday, borisjohnson appeared before a committee and he said when he was foreign secretary she was training journalist, he was pulled
before the iranian authorities and told that her jail before the iranian authorities and told that herjail sentence co—operative bank doubled. told that herjail sentence co-operative bank doubled. he corrected the record about how much british fizzy wine was consumed but not about that. i tell you what i am not about that. i tell you what i am not getting messages about how much people like boris. i am from the testimony cray fibbing people doesn't like. —— i am from the demographic people don't like. i voted for boris, but to me he is a man of many face, and that scares me to death. the face of london boris in 20002012 we thought he was great. he brought the city to the world stage, the face of boris in 2019 is dramatically different to what we knew back then, and what i am scared about is how many faces will he show news the next three to six months as preponderance. i just don't understand who he is. he has been prime ministerfor less
than 2a hours, give him a chance! he has been prime ministerfor less than 24 hours, give him a chance!” was down at college green and so many times people were saying there is nowhere to hide in downing street. we are going to find out which borisjohnson we have as prime minister. which one do you think we are getting? i think you will get the boris that will deliver brexit and move on to the domestic agenda. in the 1922 committee boris talked about one nation toryism. he believe there's is... can ijust say... the lady here. i have had my reservation about boris all though i am a conservative supporter, he does have strength bus one thing is he proposed while he was london mayor and amnesty for illegal immigrants, he has done that again, now that, thatis he has done that again, now that, that is not the sort of thing you hear from somebody who is characterised as a kind of little englander, he is at heart i think an
international list and that is the side of him that i want to hear more of. we are going to hear a statement on the right to the eu citizens which should have come at the beginning of theresa may's term in office. let us move forward. hang on. we will move forward and talk about brexit. this rolls into one. that is the point i was going to make. let us for a moment pause and we will come back to you i promise. it is the biggest thing in his intray. the biggest thing in borisjohnson's in—tray is, of course, brexit. his supporters say we've so far failed to leave the eu because theresa may was in charge — who of course supported remain. with a true brexiteer in charge — they argue — the job will now get done. but is it as simple as that? mrjohnson promised during the race to become prime minister that we'll leave by 31st october come what may. i want to bring in anna. what are the chances of borisjohnson being able to renegotiate a deal by 31st
october? well, he might be able to renegotiate a deal. i am suspicious he won't get the deal he says he wanted. there is no sign they will scrap the backstop. if wasn't to leave the european union with a deal, parliament has to pass this hobble bit of legislation called the withdrawal agreement bill. it's a piece of constitutional law. there is not enough time for parliament, now, given the fact they are all going off, there is not enough time for them to pass that law by 31st october, even if he gets a deal. so my fear is he might negotiate a deal, although it is unlikely, even if he does something has to give, because he is not going to make that sist because he is not going to make that 31st october deadline because the house of commons and the house of lords wouldn't pass this in time. so it has to be no—deal in that case or he says i have a deal, we will extend it by a few weeks. that is the big question, the other question is if he looks like he is heading to no—deal, the interesting thing about your interview with tobias ellwood. he said no—deal will be damaging and
put us in opposition, that is when the problems will start on the backbenches. christine? the lady made a point about the social problems we have at the moment. one of the biggest things about brexit which we get tied up, are we going to get a deal, are we not? we have ahead of us regardless if we leave the eu of a decade of negotiations orbing problems and we will push this country further to austerity, thatis this country further to austerity, that is the big problem, we need to address these social issues but we can't say 31st october we will be out of europe, everything will be sweetness and light. no it won't, thatis sweetness and light. no it won't, that is when the problems start. i think that we have to focus on those problems, and how we avoid that, and the way to avoid it is stop, go back to people and say do you want to do this. you know that christine doesn't support brexit and jo swinson, i couldn't believe when askedif swinson, i couldn't believe when asked if there was a second referendum, and people voted to leave again would you accept that, she said i am not changing my
principle, for goodness' sake, she wouldn't accept a second. nigel... if the british people voted to remaini if the british people voted to remain i would have accepted that and we would have moved on. we had 40 years of campaigning and there was an amount. don't argue among yourselves. i am a conservative party member, i am 17, you say you wa nt to party member, i am 17, you say you want to fix social problem, you say we need to move on, if you have a second referendum you are going to continue it on and we will have a referendum, doesn't a second referendum, doesn't a second referendum, that is not going to sort... i wouldn't leave the european union in an ideal world of. now, i don't accept nigel‘s argument because nigel farage argued for 40 yea rs because nigel farage argued for 40 years and he said he would stick by his principles and if he voted to stay he would keep arguing to leave. the problem is leaving the eu will create massive problems for economy which will have massive social implication, we have to try and
avoid that, because that would be horrendous, for the people in this country. who need economic stability, we all do. christine.” am christine. i am newly retired so have plenty of time to follow politics these days. you lucky lady. iam politics these days. you lucky lady. i am interested in all politics, i ama i am interested in all politics, i am a conservative. what really concerns me is this break down of democracy, i have watched so many debates, in the house of commons, i have watched tory mps try to bring down theresa may. and it is still going on, and this week, before borisjohnson going on, and this week, before boris johnson received going on, and this week, before borisjohnson received that going on, and this week, before boris johnson received that vote going on, and this week, before borisjohnson received that vote of confidence, and became prime minister, sir alan duncan resigned and tried to bring him down, he wa nted and tried to bring him down, he wanted to get a no confidence vote. don't we want principled politicians? haven't we been moaning they don't have any? they are the
principles of democracy, we have a first past the post system, don't we. i am emily, a single mother, i have bipolar disorder and i have to cope with universal credit. brexit is, you know, the big boiling pus spot in this country. but underneath that are fundamentally so many pressing issues. my issue is that boris isn't a leader, he is a skulk, he is a racist, misogynist, he makes gaffes. quoting kipling in a colonialist manner. we need a reform of welfare, of equality, of gender issues and pay issues. now, his voting record, which is murky to say the best of
it, because there is quite a lot of absences on the record, does not suggest to me for one minute that this is a man who has any intention of supporting somebody in my position. so he is not supporting my child, and my child, like any child in this country, is the future of this country. he has put amber right into that position. reviewing universal credit. amber rudd, what has she done with universal credit? absolutely nothing whatsoever. her implementation and things like making sure that the private landlords could get those direct re ntal landlords could get those direct rental payments, which was the last timel rental payments, which was the last time i was on here, that was... it just shows exactly where her priorities are and it is with the people at the top of the scale, not the people at the bottom of the scale. very briefly, there is a
massive gulf with the community and the politicians. dynamics originally, i took it over as a boxing club i know we have children as young as five years old, going right up to 26, coming in with issues around mental ill health, emotional disorders, personality disorders, eating disorders, poverty, child hunger. social housing which is derelict that they are living in, damp. all of these issues need to be dealt with and the community is the majority. we vote you in to make the best decisions and implement where our money is being spent and i am sorry but the community is not being heard and i am being a voice for them. brexit, no brexit, we need are so many more issues to be dealt with now because iam issues to be dealt with now because i am telling you, they said england is lawless, it is going to get worse. a quick response, nigel. i agree and that is why we need to ensure that boris has this hard core
of brexit ministers who are concentrated and focusing on that, but there are so many more other people... and a bridge that gap. we are 1000% on your side. let'sjust are 100096 on your side. let'sjust ta ke are 100096 on your side. let'sjust take a pause for a moment. we will speak to a brexit party mep but we have some pictures, the chance to see the new leader of the house of commons jacob rees—mogg. the leader of the house is speaking, he is making his debut essentially before mps in the commons. i think we have missed the moment when he spoke, but he will appear again missed the moment when he spoke, but he willappearagain in missed the moment when he spoke, but he will appear again in a moment.” think it is business questions, so he will be responding to valerie in a second. so that is jacob rees—mogg's the first move as... he isa rees—mogg's the first move as... he is a minister who is going to attend cabinet, jacob rees—mogg as leader of the commons, i am sure we will
dip back in a while. let's speak now to the brexit party mep, matthew patten. are you feeling pretty miserable today that boris johnson has are you feeling pretty miserable today that borisjohnson has come out and stolen your thunder and kind of made the brexit party a bit irrelevant? i am feeling, actually, really happy because boris johnson has come out and said very clearly that we need to leave the eu. he has made it a matter of life or death that it happens by the 31st of october and from the brexit party point of view are my personal point of view, that is a really fantastic thing but we need to make sure he absolutely does that and delivers it. do you trust him to deliver it? funnily enough, i used to work with borrowers in city hall, i ran the mayor's fund for london and working with him, i found mayor's fund for london and working with him, ifound him incredibly trustworthy so i believe he believes in it and is compiling a team that wants to deliver it. the only question i have is how hard and
difficult challenges going to be for him. i'm talking to you from brussels, there have been a lot of conversations on the back room is about not making any changes to the withdrawal deal, there are big issues with the irish border and things like that and we know that boris himself on the third occasion voted with theresa may's deal, so from a brexit party point of view, we will be holding his feet to the fire but i would like to be confident and believe that he and his team are really very serious about doing what they say. would you do an electoral pact with boris johnson and the conservative party? i think we would absolutely work with anybody who delivers a brexit deal by the 31st of october. but i think we just need to be a little cautious and wait and see what happens. right now, there is a lot of sound and fury. he has onlyjust arrived, we have had all the drama of the cabinet reshuffle and in your studio, there is a lot of conversation about it and i think we need to let the dust settle, see what it looks like in a week or two. august is going to be a very
interesting month, parliament is not sitting, so let's wait and see what happens. thank you for your time this morning. matthew patton. i want to bring you in, because you haven't spoken yet and i want you to respond to what you heard it on the conversation so far. thank you. i am not a labour or conservative supporter, i am not a labour or conservative supporter, iam remaineran not a labour or conservative supporter, i am remainer an anti islamophobia campaign. i am deeply, deeply concerned about borisjohnson being elected as the leader of the conservative party, not only because of the brexit delivery deal, but also because of his racist, islamophobia homophobic remarks that he made against women like me, calling us letterboxes and bank robbers and africans, calling them watermelon smiles and picking he didn't apologise for the letterbox comments and he apologised for the watermelon smiles six years afterwards because he was running
the mayoral elections. boris johnson said he was using humour and it was misguided but it was humour he was using. but at what expense? to the minority is' safety and security. it is quite dangerous and i'm really disappointed about this one direction cabinet and it is very dangerous do not engage with those who disagree with you in delivery and that is the core... he is shaking his head. one more thing, i am actually optimistic that boris johnson and his leadership. why because you might because he will agitate the good people to participate in politics and public life. it is because of trump we have alexandria cardio life. it is because of trump we have alexandria ca rdio cortez life. it is because of trump we have alexandria cardio cortez and ilhan omar, and because of that, i am hoping we will have a general election coming —— i cardio ocazio
cortez. but the opposition here has the same problem as the state, it is divided and fractured and there is not a single leader standing. in the re ce nt not a single leader standing. in the recent polling, jeremy corbyn against borisjohnson as recent polling, jeremy corbyn against boris johnson as who will be the best prime minister, "don't know" is still winning. jo swinson came out best. and nicola sturgeon. and young people in particular, who will be the future of this country, jeremy corbyn is doing very well. very strongly supported and increasing numbers of young people are coming towards labour and i think a large part of that reason is because we are talking about those big issues that are not being debated in parliament. because it is fixated on brexit. there are splits within the conservative party, many people watching this will have said, this is your moment and if you couldn't be the conservative party when they were absolutely split down the middle on their knees, when on
earth is labour going to be then? the middle on their knees, when on earth is labour going to be themm course i always want labour to do better. i want is to be in government but we have been trying to do whatever we can to raise the genuine concerns that people have, concerns of nine years of falling living standards. there were lib dem ministers as well as conservatives. we need to do something about it. don't talk over each other. the labour party have some culpability here. i'm sorry, i want to see the labour party do well in england and work together with the liberal democrats, because we have a disastrous tory government and we don't have serious politicians. borisjohnson is don't have serious politicians. boris johnson is not don't have serious politicians. borisjohnson is not a serious politician. he tells us he is a brexit prime minister. last week, he was waving a kipper above his head and saying look at these european regulations, are they outrageous? the company who package that are based in fife, beside my constituency. it is not a european regulation, it is a british regulation, it is a british regulation of his own government. we need to get together and bring this
government down. the lady is right about a general election, this is a dangerous government and we need to get stuck into the social issues that are disastrous. the uk is facing so many crises and it is the most vulnerable who will be most deeply impacted. the liberal democrats have tabled a motion of no confidence in the government and we have asked jeremy corbyn for his support. interestingly, in that poll that you talked about, jo swinson was more popular than eitherjeremy corbyn or borisjohnson. was more popular than eitherjeremy corbyn or boris johnson. if there was more popular than eitherjeremy corbyn or borisjohnson. if there is a general election, will you back us in that? we are getting into procedural issues parliament here. will you back us? the reason the lib dems are saying why aren't you supporting this no—confidence motion, it is not clear that currently we will have sufficient conservative support to win that motion. i want us to win a motion of no confidence, i want is to make sure we win it and want to get this government out which is failing people. so why aren't you taking action? work with us. you mentioned
earlier on about the labour party, the labour party should be well ahead in the polls. can ijust observe amongst the four of you, look at you arguing amongst yourselves. you are not listening to any of us as voters on this site and please stop your infighting and just listen to what your voters are saying. every single one of us has a valid point, a valid perspective on the point of view. are you really listening to us as voters and i challenge that none of you are.” think that is the important point, even talking about boris johnson waving your fish on stage, it is a distraction he wants us to be focused on. just while we are continuing to tour, jacob rees—mogg standing as leader of house of commons —— to talk. so that is jacob rees—mogg. i wanted to talk about the general election because i think it is really important. some people are saying that borisjohnson will
have to call a general election before october the 31st, or after. as voters, we will ignore them for a moment, as voters, a show of hands, the point has just that you have not been listening so let's listen right now, a show of hands, who would like to see a general election in the coming months? before christmas, even? wow, virtually all of you. why would you like to see a general election? because the parliamentary arithmetic isn't adding up, it is physically impossible. no deal is not going to get through a deal is not going to get through a deal is not going to get through a deal is not going to get through, you have to be realistic, it is a better option than a second referendum and with boris, the polls are showing we have the chance to increase our majority and be able to get a deal through or get no deal through. as a conservative, this really annoys me because boris johnson conservative, this really annoys me because borisjohnson said we won't have a general election and this is what annoyed me the most about boris, he promised we were lead by october the 31st but gave us
absolutely no plan as to how we do so and! absolutely no plan as to how we do so and i think the discussion that christine and nigel had earlier reflected the impact we are in at the moment. we have two extremes on both sides, hardcore second referendum, the members of the arg who want to leave at all costs, no ifs and no buts and that reflects the situation we are in —— erg. i can painfully, no one campaigned as much as i did but i came to the conclusion that, looking at the fa cts , conclusion that, looking at the facts, the brexit i want, i have to be realistic and there are some members of the erg and lib dems on both sides who ultimately, that negativity that we saw earlier will mean nothing gets done and i think we will look back on theresa may and kind perhaps wish she were still here, really. it is interesting what you say about boris johnson here, really. it is interesting what you say about borisjohnson because he wrote when gordon brown became prime minister that he had no mandate and it was cowardly not to have a general election. what you don't understand is no one has any confidence in any of you. we had...
we got told it was our one chance to vote leave or stay in. that is the job we told you to do. forget about policies and everything, this country told the politicians to leave and you haven't done it yet and unless you do it,... we had a general election following that and by the labour party and the tories stood on a manifesto of delivering it and the labour party had tried to trip the government up time and time again. as a labour member, i totally agree with you. ifjeremy corbyn says we want a second referendum, in the northern heartlands of the labour party, they will be finished. they will be totally finished and wiped out. and we will have a prime minister called nigel farage who will storm in and what the lot of you had. you specifically mention labour, actually what labour tried to do after that referendum was to somehow get a consensus and we tried and tried to negotiate with government, initially tightly rebuffed. eventually they talk to us but they wouldn't change anything, so that compromise, the attempt at compromise, has not worked and
because of that, that is why we need to have another vote because if we leave without a deal, we will have year upon year of extra wrangling about this. i don't think that is what people want. i don't think people do want more wrangling.” represent a northern seat. every seat in lancashire voted leave, all the labour seats in lancashire voted leave and they will be annihilated. i represent a further north seat and they voted remain. lorraine wants to speak. i am a labour member and i campaigned in the local elections and european elections a few months ago. we had a lot of people, labour voters, who were frustrated and were angry and had nowhere to turn. they we re angry and had nowhere to turn. they were really annoyed because they have not had consistent leadership and have not had a consistent message on brexit and lots of other issues. what i would like to see is a general election but i am alarmed and, please don't mind this, but the
opposition is in complete disarray, fighting between us and not agreeing to work together. we are taking chunks out of each other when what we should be doing is uniting and taking the tories out. if we don't ta ke taking the tories out. if we don't take the tories out, we will not implement social policies and social justice that we need on the ground and we are not going to... in fairness to the lib dems, i will say something nice about another party, they have done a pact with the welsh nationalists and pride come reet to get the tories out and that is what we need to do —— and plaid. we have these calamitous social issues facing us. i think we would be better off if labour had been an effective opposition but clearly they have not been and they have got deep—rooted problems with anti—semitism, so not only have you got problems with your labour heartlands in the north, who voted brexit, and could possibly move to the brexit party, but you have got these anti—semitic problems that
have not been resolved and, i mean, thatis have not been resolved and, i mean, that is quite shocking. you have had your own mps who have lived and resigned because they feel they have been bullied and you have got very vociferous spokespeople in your party that make, like margaret hodge, who make views known and they are very high—profile labour politicians and they are very unhappy. so i don't know... it would be better to have an election if boris does a drum up more support now, butjeremy boris does a drum up more support now, but jeremy corbyn looks like a defeated leader already. let's bring it back to the general election.” do think they should be one and i feel the conservatives would come out stronger because, at the end of the day, you need to listen to what has been democratically voted for and if people have voted for leave and if people have voted for leave and the lib dems and labour keep saying we want a second referendum, they are just not listening. people have changed their minds. lots of people have changed their minds and we should allow people to have a
say. we do that every general election and say let's do it again. every four to five years. it is really frustrating for people time to listen to this. meyer, i know you wa nted to listen to this. meyer, i know you wanted to talk the danger is that if borisjohnson has wanted to talk the danger is that if boris johnson has an wanted to talk the danger is that if borisjohnson has an election before october the 31st, then the conservative vote effectively splits and lots of it goes to the brexit party so i am guessing it is more beneficial... it depends if there is some kind of pact between the conservatives and the brexit party about certain seats where brexit candidates would stand and where they wouldn't, what that would mean for the conservative majority but i think what we have seen from the discussion from the politicians, what the opposition needs to do in its entirety, as well as talking about brexit and having a clear message on brexit, which is incredibly difficult given the division in the country, they do need to be talking about domestic problems we have and what we have heard from our audience as well as discussions about brexit, we have heard about the problems people are
having in a country the conservatives have run for nine yea rs conservatives have run for nine years and we have heard nigel saying we are on your site. whose side are they on when they have given tax cuts to the rich and more people using food banks, homelessness doubled, children are going to school hungry and an average class of 30, nine of them will be in poverty. amnesty for undocumented immigrants, fine, but we need to judge the record of these politicians. boris johnson judge the record of these politicians. borisjohnson and his cabinet supported the 2014 and 2016 immigration bills that brought in a hostile environment that meant black britons were deported from the country and people are denied access to health care, so we need to focus on those issues as well as the discussion about brexit. when you think there would be a general election? i have no idea! if you are looking at how brexit pans out, i am thinking from borisjohnson's perspective, when would be the best time to call it? if you do before october the 31st, what you achieve?
if it is after... if you think about it, the gentleman over there said, there is a parliament with no majority for a deal, no majority for no deal and no majority for remain, which is a problem, but equally you have polling at the moment that is very, very volatile. what we have seenin very, very volatile. what we have seen in the last week as the conservatives have picked up votes from the brexit party, partly because of the line that boris johnson has taken but they have started to lose more votes to the lib dems as a result. that is a very delicate balancing act borisjohnson is going to have to carry out and at the moment, you have a weird situation with four party is basically polling neck and neck and no one knows what would happen in the event of a general election, which makes mps very reluctant to go for that. what do you think i would you want to see a general election? of course i want to see a general election, just to see a majority to pass on the deals, so i agree with the gentleman here but at the same time, we have to do actually address the root causes of the lack of majority that a lot of our politicians across the political
spectrum have been using, a divisive language, talking about the discourse of us and them constantly instead of the discourse of "weak". the politics of fear that we have created has divided the nation —— we. until we replace it with the politics of hope, nothing will change. that brings us on beautifully, i want to go around the room and see from each of you briefly what the policy priority should be for borisjohnson going forward. would you like to start?” think we should focus on health and lam in think we should focus on health and i am in agreement with so much of what the panel has said. and i think i'm very firmly in favour of a second general election. obviously getting along with brexit but after thatis getting along with brexit but after that is done, i feel we need to tackle the social problems and you have to start evolving certain areas of government to local areas, because these local areas know how to sort the problem is better than westminster. crime clearly should
be, knife crime, should be at the top of the list, shouldn't it? but until brexit is a result, ijust think it is going to deflect all of the argument away from any other needy cause. what i want to see is that the conservative party take islamophobia seriously within the party and lodge an investigation around islamophobia. we have seen it happening in labour against anti—semitism, rightly so and we need to tackle it but we haven't seen it in the conservative party yet. brexit, brexit, brexit. this is boris's top priority, and a general election the next day.” boris's top priority, and a general election the next day. i would like to see boris bring in the key leaders of the public health approach, like myself. we have got tea m approach, like myself. we have got team lambeth, the mayo micro sadiq khan, people that have done so much and he needs to bring those positive people —— but the mayo macro. so we can continue to advance the progression of this society.”
can continue to advance the progression of this society. i would like the istanbul convention ratified, we signed up to it but we haven't ratified it seven years down the line, and the domestic violence bill to be passed. we have only seen the draft and we need to get a move on, women are dying every single week and it is not acceptable right now. i think we need to focus on education and mental health because it is obviously a huge thing right now, people need to do more and take it more seriously. we need a social policy. we can't wait for brexit to be sold because communities are disintegrating and it is the voting that has been decisions made by people like nigel evans, to remove welfare that is causing this. housing and mental health, urgently. thank you all so much, the hour has whizzed by, thank you for your time today. well, brace yourselves, because the uk could have the hottest ever day today. the met office says there is a 70% chance of beating the current record of 38.5, it is not good, is it! many rail
firms have advised passengers not to travel, with disruption as tracks get it to heart and police have warned of the risk of cooling off in open water. meanwhile, in europe, three countries recorded their highest ever temperatures yesterday, with the met office warning that heatwaves are on the increase as a result of climate change. louise lear is here, and with this link to climate change, it is a real worry. it is too hard, isn't it? with the kids in school, we would all like some sunshine to enjoy the coasts, the beautiful beaches around the country but this is extreme heat and potentially life—threatening because it is not cooling down overnight so it is not cooling down overnight so it really is quite uncomfortable for vulnerable, elderly people and certainly we need to consider that. is it going to last for a long time? good news, it is a short, sharp shock. there is the potential to break the record today but there are
indications that tomorrow will be much more comfortable and, eventually, as we move into the weekend, we will see temperatures back to where they should be and we are even going to see some heavy, persistent rain in the eastern half of the campaign. -- my country. gardeners will be very happy and you will give us a forecast. something for everybody. we can carry on talking, that is good. do you think that we, as a nation, are very good at preparing for this kind of weather? we always seem very shocked when it gets terribly hot and we are going to have to deal, going on and on and on, with it getting hotter. well, i think that is the problem, really, is that we are not used to this kind of weather but the science is now showing us that the planet is warming and that these kinds of events a re warming and that these kinds of events are going to become a little more commonplace. so we are going to have to get used to that and perhaps think about planning ahead and how we are going to live our lives to be able to cope with this kind of extreme heat. you know, these kinds
of temperatures are going to become a little more commonplace. you can give us the weather forecaster, thank you very much. it is going to be an incredibly hot day today for so many others, particularly if you are in the south, if you are in the east, it might even break that record so let's find out more details from louise. thank you. yes, the record we have to beat is 38.5 celsius, set in 2003. if we are going to do it, it looks more likely to be in the south—east corner. somewhere today may equal that record, may even get that little bit higher. we could see 39 celsius. hardly a cloud in the sky, a lot of sunshine to go with it but if you just wanted that little bit fresher, head west. however, that cloud might produce in northern ireland and western fringes of scotla nd ireland and western fringes of scotland the odd spot or two of light rain but elsewhere it is a dry story, a pretty breezy story as well, a south—easterly wind gusting 25-30 well, a south—easterly wind gusting 25—30 mph but it is a warm sauce, so
it is just 25—30 mph but it is a warm sauce, so it isjust going 25—30 mph but it is a warm sauce, so it is just going to, 25—30 mph but it is a warm sauce, so it isjust going to, if 25—30 mph but it is a warm sauce, so it is just going to, if anything, exacerbate that hot and humid deal, so pretty oppressive for most of us and it is widespread heat, stretching up to south—east scotland, 29 or 30 degrees. a little fresher out to the west because the heat and humidity starts to build, as is always the case across the uk, we could see some sharp thundery showers breaking out a little later on today and they will drift their way steadily northwards overnight, sitting perhaps across scotland, just like we had tuesday into wednesday. some of them heavy, some of them widespread, some of you will escape them altogether and again it is going to be another uncomfortable night for trying to get a good night's sleep so worth bearing in mind, thunderstorms are going to be an issue but i do end at this forecast with a glimmer of good news if it is too hot for you at the moment because this weather front sweeping in will bring a change for it. not much in the way of rain on friday, light showery rain but certainly a fresh appeal for all of us. louise, thank you ever so much,
lots of people getting in touch concerned about the weather. stephen isa concerned about the weather. stephen is a bus driver and says i really do feel for the public and bus drivers in london today as well as other major cities. cab and saloon temperatures will reach between 43 and 47 degrees with no air con. good luck with that. thank you to the panel of voters and mps and political commentators for that discussion this week. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. we are back again at the same time tomorrow.
this is bbc news i'm clive myrie live at westminster. the headlines at 11am. borisjohnson's new—look cabinet meets forfirst time, and the prime minister tells them they have a momentous task ahead. we they have a momentous task ahead. are now comn leaving we are now committed all of us to leaving the european union. on october the 31st or earlier. no ifs, no buts. it follows one of the most radical reshuffles of all time, with staunch brexiteers appointed to the biggest offices of state, following several big name departures. in the last few minutes boris johnson has arrived in the houses of parliament.
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