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hello this is bbc news with shaun ley. the headlines... fighting back. former prime minister david cameron accuses boris johnson of acting ‘appallingly‘ during the 2016 eu referendum campaign. african leaders pay their respects at the funeral of the former zimbabwean president, robert mugabe — who ruled over the country for four decades.
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the liberal democrats conference kicks off in bournemouth — with the party set to decide whether its policy should now be to ‘scrap‘ brexit — without holding another referendum. houthi rebels in yemen say they fired drones which caused a major fire to break out at two government—owned oil facilities in saudi arabia. at least five people have died, and thousands of properties are evacuated after flash flooding hits spain's east coast. now on the bbc news channel. joanna gosling looks back at this week's top stories on the victoria derbyshire programme on victoria derbyshire: week in review. hello and welcome to our programme. for the next half an hour, we'll bring you some of the exclusive and original journalism we've broadcast over the last week. first, in exclusive interviews
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with this programme, two former chelsea youth footballers called for personal apologies from the club after they claim that they were subjected to racist abuse there in the 90s. one has told us how, as a 12—year—old schoolboy, he was the victim of such abuse by the former chelsea assistant manager gwyn williams. the ex—players are speaking for the first time since the club published a barnardo‘s report into racism at the club during the 80s and 90s back in august. the two players did not contribute to the report because they say, as it was paid for by chelsea, they had worries about its independence. talking anonymously to our reporter jim reed, they say the club did not go far enough in reacting to the report and they want a face—to—face apology. and, to let you know, jim's film has some strong and offensive racist language from the start. we have included it because we think it is important to accurately reflect the language these players say they were subjected to. the former players are portrayed by actors in this film.
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football was just natural to me, so for me to come to a football club and to do something that i love and experience racism was mad. it was feral. the club was feral. no other club was like it. an investigation called it a dog eat dog world where bullying was widespread. former academy director gwyn williams was described, last month, as the instigator of racial abuse at chelsea. a report for the club by the charity barnardo‘s found young black players were subjected to abhorrent abuse on a regular basis in the 1980s and 90s. that investigation was triggered after former youth team players launched legal claims against the club in 2017. two of those players have now given interviews for the first time. they want to remain anonymous, so the words are being read by young actors. a warning: some of the language you're about to hear is racist
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and incredibly offensive. i remember the first time i met him. he said, "here's your £3, you little coon." he said how big my lips were, how big my nose was. that was my first encounter. i was 12. i was shocked and i was like... i didn't know how to react. i mean, who would at that age? for me it was "coon", "nig—nog", "black bastard". i didn't even know all those words. and for the people running the club to be instigating racism like it was cool to say those sorts of things, that was... yeah, that was crazy to me. the chelsea sides of the 1980s and 1990s featured talented black players. at senior level, there is no suggestion of abuse, but young players say their experience was a very different one. the youngest trained here in battersea park in south london on a thursday evening. i was coming in scared to make a mistake.
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even on the pitch, it affected me because i couldn't relax. i was thinking if i had a bad game i would come in and everybody would be walking around saying "you black this" or "you black that". i didn't enjoy my football. i was in fear of everything. itjust escalated and got worse. it was like, "have you been robbing old grannies?" "did you go to school today?" yeah, idid. "oh, that's a rarity." it was just a barrage of racism, you know? gwyn williamsjoined chelsea in 1979 as a youth of officer and rose up development officer and rose up to assistant manager before leaving the club in 2006. his lawyer wrote to chelsea denying any and all allegations of racism. he claimed the extracts of the report shown to him were biased, untrue, unfair and artificial. but the investigation team heard substantial evidence of a toxic, racist environment that had a long—lasting effect on the players involved.
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this was relentless. this was daily. and when it is happening to you every day, it strips you of all your self—worth and confidence. even to the point where i had suicidal thoughts in my teens. i was in a bad way at 17 — going out, trying drink, trying drugs, which i never did before. it got to the point where i did not want to talk about football. ijust did not want to know about football. the report also looks into allegations against another coach at the club — former england international graham rix. it found, while he could be aggressive and bullying, the authors did not see evidence of racism. the two players we've spoken to decided not to take part in the review as it was paid for by chelsea and they had worries about its independence. but as teenagers, they are both sure they saw graham rix use racist language. he came out with his coffee and he said, "did go out this weekend?" i said, "yeah, i did."
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he said, "oh, did you shag any of our white girls?" and ijust thought, i have had enough of this. so i said, "yeah, i did." and he went quiet. and i could see his face go a little red. and he said, "if that was my daughter, i'd lynch you." and i said, "well, maybe one day it might be." but i wanted to kill him. graham rix‘s lawyer gave a statement to the review denying he was bullying, aggressive or racist. he pointed out that many parties who gave evidence did not recall him saying anything which was racially abusive. both former players we've spoken to said they felt it was impossible to report the abuse at the time. the club had no safeguarding policy in place. there was no other official to turn to. i didn't say nothing to my parents because i didn't want to stop my football dream. i knew the minute i said anything, my dad would go down and it would be
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a problem sort of thing. yeah, so it was hard. i mean, who were you going to talk to? there was nothing. nothing in place. the investigation last month concluded there was substantial evidence of racist abuse by williams. the two players we've spoken to talk about how their lives were deeply affected and how their careers could have been very different at another club. it took me to some dark places. i have to take medication at times. i have been depressed, withdrawn. i could not come to terms with what had happened. to be honest, i still feel angry. i still feel huge amounts of anger. they said all these pretty little things to our parents and as soon as we got into it, it was just like living in a nightmare. well, it's as simple as that, as far as i'm concerned, because they have changed is as young adults growing up. us as young adults growing up. in 2006, gwyn williams left chelsea and joined leeds. he was sacked after sending explicit
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photos to the club receptionist. graham rix was jailed in 1999 for having sex with a 15—year—old girl. he was reinstated by chelsea after his release from prison and was the first team coach when the team won the fa cup that year. he went on to manage a number of clubs, including portsmouth and hearts. chelsea has now apologised to those who suffered what it describes as the deeply shocking behaviour by gwyn williams found by the investigation. the men we've spoken to said the club needs to go much further. they are accusing it of trying to cover up the scandal by publishing the findings on the same day as a second report into sexual abuse by another individual at the club decades earlier. they now want a full face—to—face apology from chelsea and they want people higher up at the club at the time to admit they let young players down. both mr williams and mr rix maintain their denials of any wrongdoing.
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mr rix‘s lawyer points out that both the fa and the disclosure and barring service have looked into the allegations and there are no restrictions in place on his client. chelsea reassured the statement that they chelsea reissued the statement that they released at the time of the barnardo's report on racism at the club last month. as a club, we want to apologise, they say, to all players who experienced this deeply shocking behaviour. we are doing, and will continue to do, everything we can to ensure that those boys, girls, men and women who play for this club and, indeed, anyone who works for a wealthy club will never have to endure the terrible experiences which these young players suffered. in a busy political week, we spoke to the former conservative minister margojames. she was one of 21 mps who voted against the government by backing a plan to delay brexit beyond the 31st of october and was chucked out of the conservative party as a result. here's what she had to say... why are you sure that you are right and borisjohnson‘s strategy
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of wanting to leave no deal on the table, while trying to get a deal, is wrong? i think if he was serious about... i mean, ifeel that his negotiating position of being so hard—line about a, october 31st and b, get rid of the backstop — i feel that that is a hopeless position to take and that if he was serious about negotiations, he would be asking for more. that is his prerogative. but he would be asking for things that were negotiable. so, that's my... like what? well, like, perhaps, a time limit on the backstop. he might be. he just might not have told us. well, you are touching on another point which is that they are keeping their hand very close... their cards very close to their chest. and you can argue that that makes it easier to negotiate, but when all our contacts in europe and elsewhere are telling us that there are no real negotiations in progress, then that it does make us think even more carefully.
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does make us think even more carefully. do you understand why some voters hold people like yourself and other colleagues who voted to delay brexit in contempt? because they want to leave and are, frankly, outraged that we are still in the eu three years after the vote. i do understand that because i do have constituents who have that view of what i have done and i don't... the ones i speak to are... they backtrack. at least, they understand my position and they do not think i am treating them with contempt. i appreciate... you voted for article 50. idid. why did you do that if you did not want to risk no deal? well, because, at the time, the government was going all out for a deal. all out for a deal. we then fought in a general election a few months later, in which we said in our manifesto that we would leave with a deal and on good terms and in an orderly manner. what we're facing at the moment is the exact opposite of that platform on which i stood at the last election. now, you can say, well, the prime minister of the time
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said no deal is better than a bad deal. i never agreed with that, by the way, but it was her prerogative to say it. but it wasn't a bad deal that she brought back. it was positioned as such by some of the brexiteers, but it was not a bad deal. it was a good compromise. 0k. i want to play this clip from you in the house of commons last week. 0h. just have a look. advisers advise, ministers decide. can i ask the prime minister to bear that statement closely in mind in relation to his own chief adviser, dominic cummings? here, here! dominic cummings is, as you said there, boris johnson's chief adviser. you spat out his name. why? well, i regret actually showing my feelings to that extent, but i do feel that he is a deeply malevolent force. i think that his track record, both running the leave campaign, where he fell out with everybody,
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even the hardline brexiteers in my own party and in parliament, he is somebody who wants to crash everything to get what he wants. and i also look back to his time... he was the adviser to michael gove, when michael was education secretary. i thought the reforms that michael brought in were very good, but the way that he was advised by cummings, led him to fall out with all the teachers, not just the unions, but, you know, the rank and file teachers. his philosophy is break everything and emerge the winner and i do not like that style of doing politics. but ultimately it is the prime minister who makes the decision. yes, that's true. do you want to be brought back into the conservative party, to have the whip restored, as it is known. not under the current brexit policy, i have made that decision. i did not make that decision before i did what i did last week, but i have realised, that i could never have stood.
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if there had been an election before brexit on this deal or no deal, do or die position, i could never have stood anyway, so until the policy is changed, which i don't think likely which i don't think is likely in the present circumstances, then, no, iwouldn‘t accept the whip back, no. could you defect to the lib dems? i haven't honestly decided, victoria, what my future is... but you could, though? i have to decide whether to stand and whether i can stand as a conservative candidate. i obviously can't stand as an official candidate, that has been made clear, but even as an independent conservative, i am not at all sure that i could bring myself to do that under this government. you know, i think that it is causing such division and divide and uncertainty and worry across the country and i really couldn't stand on a platform, you know, at the moment to be re—elected. would you considerjoining the liberal democrats?
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ah, well, you have already asked me that and i haven't ruled it out, to be honest. but i have far from decided to do that. 0k, what would be the clincher, then? i think, first of all, the clincher would be, do i want to stand or not? and i haven't yet decided on that. i have decided that at the moment, if there is a general election in the next couple of months, i will either vote independent conservative, if one stands in my constituency in london, or i will vote for the liberal democrat candidate. so, if you are not... i've got that far. ok, so if you are not standing yourself, then you would expect to cross your own name, you won't be voting conservative? not for the official candidate, under this platform, no. there will be some within the conservative party who say that what you have just said is unacceptable. they might.
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i don't use the word, but you will have seen it online, they might use the word traitor. i mean, it is all sort of going back, isn't it? it is all going back to wartime language. a, i don't think we are at war with anybody, apart from ourselves. sure, but the fact that you clearly don't want the conservatives to have an outright majority at the next election, as a conservative member and ten years as a conservative mp. i'm afraid so, i'm afraid that is the conclusion i have reached. under the current leadership, with the current policy, i think it would be a bad thing for the country, for it to be returned with a majority and, actually, what i could say really is, that if you look back over the last three governments, much as i admired and continue to admire the former prime minister, theresa may, because of the circumstances in which she found herself, it was a very turbulent government. this government, you know,
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which is barely two months old, is even more turbulent, even more chaotic, the only government that i have served under as a conservative member of parliament, that has been progressive, that has tackled the big challenges that britain face, which mostly have nothing to do with our membership of the european union, was the coalition government and i have since reflected and i really do feel that the liberal democrat membership of that coalition government acted as a very necessary break on our party's right—wing and obsession with brexit. next, we spoke to anthony ekundayo lennon his parents are white and so were all four of his grandparents, but all his life people have assumed that anthony is mixed race and treated him as such. last november he was at the centre of a media storm when he was accused of faking being mixed race to get onto a traineeship scheme aimed at getting more black and ethnic minority people into theatre. an actor and director, he says that he identifies as black and he told us, he experiences the racism and struggles that many black, asian and minority ethnic people go
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through, because of his looks. when anybody feels like a lie is being told about them, i think it is a natural human instinct to what to human instinct to want to want to defend yourself and get the truth out. when you are accused of a lie that you know is going to have a radical impact on notjust you and not only your family, but your friends and your colleagues and possibly a whole industry, that you yourself care desperately about and have been involved in since the age of 13, 1a. if it wasn't for drama, i don't think i would be alive. if it wasn't for the arts, i don't think i would be here or i think at least i would have got sidetracked into criminality, because there are some sad opportunities that were offered back in my day. there were not quite a lot of choices for somebody of my upbringing. social class, being a working class family, immigrant family coming over from ireland, just wanting to make a better day, a better life for themselves.
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and then you start having... well, i shouldn't say you, i started having hundreds of flashbacks and remembering all the terrible bad things that had happened to me in my life so far, within the context of what we call race. the structure of race and hierarchy. a part of me realised... discrimination? yeah. from a child and evenjust through to the other week, you can find yourself in situations where you wonder if race is part of the atmosphere and the vibration. do you understand some of the criticism from one black actor who spoke to the sunday times who was upset that you had been given a place on the scheme? when i discovered his background, i thought it was unfair that a white man had taken a black person's space on a bame scheme. you see that is the thing though, isn't it? white man. i'm not a white man. it's funny.
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most of my life has been spent, while i have been getting on with it and doing myjob, sometimes i would be in a cafe or a train platform or in a hotel and somebody would come up to me and say, excuse me, mate, i hope you don't mind me asking, where do you come from? and i would say, west london born, born in the uk. and then they are like, 0k, where else do you come from? and i know where we are going and it is cool, i am happy to have this dialogue with anybody and everyone and i have never not talked about having white parents, so then i will say, my parents are irish. 0h, right, so they both come from ireland? yeah. is there a large black population in ireland? there is a fairly large substantial black population in ireland, yeah, but not a lot of people know that. but what more do you want to know? i get the feeling that there is something else on your mind. so your parents are irish? yeah. which one is black? which one is mixed? oh, no, both of them are white. they are irish. 0h. so, you're white, then? and then i'll say,. no, i'm mixed heritage. no, no, you're white. how am i white?
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well, you just told me, your mum and dad are white? 0k. a moment ago you came up to me and said, where do you come from, mate? why? because she saw something and you wanted it either to be confirmed or you had a suspicion orjust genuinely openly, you wanted to ask where i came from, because maybe it resonates with you, maybe somebody in your family. i am always open for the dialogue, i have never hidden, i have never lied. i don't find myself walking around during my life saying i am a white man or i am a white actor or i am a white director. i have always said that i have got white parents, but i have always tried to bring to the table another conversation about identity and culture, psychology, spirituality and the reason for the name change, being for example, not just a couple of years ago, by planning to get onto a bame scheme, but to do with my psychological, historical, spiritual transformation. a rise in consciousness, to do with my ancestry, even though i didn't know the raw data, i have always felt and known it. and finally, new statistics released this week show that over the last year,
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almost 23,500 families and individuals in england have been recorded as being either homeless or on the brink of homelessness and as having experienced or been at risk of domestic abuse. we went to meet peta, she has been a domestic abuse victim living in temporary accommodation in london, with her two—year—old son. good boy. eat a banana. this space, it is just difficult to have a normal upbringing for a child in a setting like this. it is just not normal. he has to eat dinner on the bed. he is restricted when it comes to playing. itjust kind of makes it a little bit unfairfor him. peta lives in temporary accommodation in london. sharing a single room with her two—year—old son. it is effectively a double bed and a kitchen. it is not really hygienic to have a potty right next to a stove or a kitchen cupboard, to be fair, or having to run downstairs to put him on the toilet. so, it is just difficult.
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she says she is a victim of domestic abuse and has faced homelessness and long periods of uncertainty about her living situation. she says that she first faced abuse some years ago after she started a relationship with a man who became violent towards her. i remember saying something to him, like that's so stupid or that silly and he just got up and it was so unexpected, he just got up and slapped me across the face. and that was just like, did you seriouslyjust do that? she says that after spending years in the abusive relationship, she was removed from the tenancy that she shared with her abuser and was made homeless. i was staying around, moving around between families and friends houses during that period of time. sometime later, she also became pregnant by another partner and began to experience serious mental health problems. i fell into a deep depression and it was frustrating. i had supported people around me who understood what was going on, but i wasn't always open and honest about what was happening. and there were times.
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i actually became suicidal. i actually wanted to terminate my pregnancy because of it. it wasn't easy, being pregnant, struggling and years later and i am still suffering because of it. she applied to the local authority for housing and was offered temporary accommodation, but she said she was later threatened with eviction on the grounds that she had made herself intentionally homeless and was told that she would have to leave the accommodation she had been given. i was first given a property in a mother and baby unit and then even after that, they tried to fight against it and evict me again. she eventually managed to have that decision overturned on appeal but was told she would have to bid for council housing to get a more suitable place to live — a process that can take years. i haven't made myself intentionally homeless, so here is your bidding number. that's it. i was just told, it can take anything from four to five years to get a place and that is the only thing they can give me.
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it is either that or to try to find a private property and everyone knows that a lot of people do not want to rent out private properties. to council tenants. they haven't offered me anything else, they haven't come around to assess the needs. the fact that my son is now turning three and i have still got a bed in a kitchen basically. having already lived in the single room for more than two years, peta says that it is dangerous for her child and that it is having a serious effect on her mental health. i am on antidepressants at the moment, because of the situation. and, antidepressants only solve the situation for a certain period of time, but living in this condition, it is not going to change anything and the ones that are being abused by persons are also being abused by the system. and ijust feel like, itjust makes it bad for all of us. we have no faith in anything.
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hello there. some fine and dry weather across southern parts of the uk today, but cloudy skies further north and it is an unsettled picture here. if we look at some pictures from earlier, blue skies above the beach huts in brighton, head north, cloud in this photograph, this sent in bya cloud in this photograph, this sent in by a weather watcher in stirling earlier. we take a look at the pressure chart, an area of low pressure chart, an area of low pressure towards the north, tightly packed isobars for the northern half of the country, quite windy here and this cold front gradually spreading its way south and that is bringing increasing amounts of cloud and also some outbreaks of rain, heavy and persistent in north—west scotland, gradually working its way south as we go through tonight. it is windy. these are the wind gusts, between a0 and 60 mph. we can see locally a
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touch higher than that as we go through the night with the northern isles, perhaps reaching 70 mph. through tonight, that cloud and outbreaks of rain gradually sink further south, either decided that we will see clear spells, remaining dry with temperatures generally between eight and 13 degrees. moving into the start of next week, sorry, moving into the start of next week, sorry it is sunday tomorrow, we have this weather front sitting in northern ireland and across parts of southern scotland and northern england and it will bring outbreaks of rain gradually eased as we move through the day. northern ireland and the south of scotland, northern england and the far north of wales and the midlands will see outbreaks of rain and behind it sunny spells, one 01’ of rain and behind it sunny spells, one or two of rain and behind it sunny spells, one 01’ two showers of rain and behind it sunny spells, one or two showers and head of that cold front, some dry weather and sunny spells but a real contrast in temperatures, highs of 25 or 26 degrees in the south—east tomorrow.
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low to mid teens in the north and moving into the start of next week, we will see that weather front slip further south, high pressure tending to dominate, so we will see a cooler and fresher air mass dragging in behind that cold front and we will see temperatures dipping down, a fresher feel as we move into the start of next week. there will be plenty of dry weather to come, some good spells of sunshine, chilly nights as well, particularly as we move into the start of next week. the risk of some rain in the far north and the temperatures generally sitting in the mid teens to low 20s. goodbye.
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this is bbc news. i'm shaun ley. the headlines at 5pm. david cameron hits back at criticism of his memoirs — saying it's right for former pms to explain their actions. the liberal democrat conference kicks off in bournemouth — with the party set to decide whether its policy should now be to ‘scrap‘ brexit — without holding another referendum. fears that global oil prices could be affected as two of saudi arabia's biggest oil facilities are attacked by drones. houthi rebels in yemen say they are responsible. at least five people have died, and thousands of properties are evacuated after flash flooding hits spain's east coast. a man's arrested after a one million pound solid gold toilet is stolen from blenheim palace.
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