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i met borisjohnson once. i met boris johnson once. the doubters, and doomsayers and groomers. they're going to get it wrong again. remainers and the voters, that's going to end well. it's described as a dogs brexit. chris at westminster. laura at tonight at ten, borisjohnson westminster. adam at westminster not tries to cool tempers in the commons over brexit brussels,. kotze yet at after last night's angry scenes inside the chamber. he says he totally deplores any threats to anybody, particularly female mps, i've replaced them with a cap. about but refuses to apologise for his own language. i do think it's important that last night, what was it like? you in the house of commons i should be able to talk about the surrender we re last night, what was it like? you were editing a piece of the ten bill and the surrender o'clock news rate in the middle of act in the way that i did. it all. i was in the press gallery
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in the commons chamber for the the atmosphere in the commons beginning of the statement because i was noticeably calmer today, wanted to see it because given but some wonder for how long. everything that has happened boris also tonight: johnson having to be summoned back a whistle—blower accuses and forced to cut short his journey to new york where he had been speaking at the un and humiliated donald trump and the white house into being and coming back to parliament to face the wrath of mps of a cover up, over damning details of phone calls with after the supreme court found the the president of ukraine. government broke the law, so not a standard appearance. for the not to vent to be sitting at all until they say you suspended parliament unlawfully. which already seems 100 years ago. tuesday. so he got to his feet and the mood was already sick with pent up frustration. and from the moment it began usually obvious it was going to be a very, very bruising section. in as soon as he began at labour mps were shouting, you should be injail, you are a liar, you misled the queen. tory mps going back. by the end of the planned statements, boris johnson
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had conservative mps right behind him and coated them and whipped them up, but then this happened to... we stand here, mr speicher, underthe shield of our departed friend to come up with many of us in this place subject to death threats and abuse every single day, and let me tell the prime minister, that i often tell the prime minister, that i ofte n q u ote tell the prime minister, that i often quote his words, surrender act, betrayal, trader and ifor often quote his words, surrender act, betrayal, traderand iforiam sick of it. we must to moderate our language and it has to come from the prime ministerfirst. language and it has to come from the prime minister first. i have to say mr speaker, i've never heard such humbug at all my life. the reality is...i humbug at all my life. the reality is... i bumped into her today in a lift. the mp speaking there. and she still boiling with anger and people coming up and patting her on the shoulder checking she was all right. and that sense today, i spent all day over there today with that anger still being there in the elements
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come it was interesting because there was a meeting of the 1922 committees so conservatives all going into a room to meet the prime minister we did that because he reported think of standing outside. holding a glass up to the wall. there were cheers as he went in but speaking to mps afterwards quite a lot of the cheers came from the european research group of brexiteers and other mps in the room who were not sharing and were asking very probing questions not least about this whole business of if the prime minister can come back with the deal he is going to need help getting it through. he's going to have to reach out and where does this behaviour like last night giving the response it would provoke ? giving the response it would provoke? is the problem the word humbug? i think that change the mood. it's on top of a persona as when borisjohnson mood. it's on top of a persona as when boris johnson enjoys mood. it's on top of a persona as when borisjohnson enjoys provoking and goading and the controversy. 0f
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the political controversy with the talking about which is about saying brexiteers on one side can everyone else on the other and actually, you know, that old—fashioned thing of divide and conquer. now come in the moment when he said humbug as appearing to dismiss the very real concerns for a particularly female mp but theirown concerns for a particularly female mp but their own safety, that absolutely was jaw—dropping. to a lot of people in the comments and also some people in the government are very upset about this, but numberten is are very upset about this, but number ten is absolutely not intending in any way to pull back from their tough approach, and there's a sense that there is a pent up there's a sense that there is a pent up conflict. theresa may try to keep it on up conflict. theresa may try to keep itona up conflict. theresa may try to keep it on a level and her own party together and what they did was created a pressure cooker and now he's the one taking the lid off it and this conflict has to sort of play out in order to move on. but... cani play out in order to move on. but... can ijust asked, how much of it is a natural pressure cooker because as
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much as when i was watching it i felt like i was being dragged on a wave of emotion from both sides of the house of commons, at the same time the way that the prime minister ke pt time the way that the prime minister kept relentlessly goading and goading and also whipping his own site into a frenzy, there was, it felt to me that there was an artificiality about it to a certain extent. wasn't this just also as well as the dividing rule that you mentioned that we are familiar with, wasn't there also an attempt to say, look, it's humiliating to have to come back to this parliament that i basically shutdown, and iam not going to allow myself to be on the back foot, i will go on the offensive. and he absolutely did. it's the attacking best form of defence. it's also the case that westminster is also very brutal. until that humbug moment of welcome while, this is a punchy session end but it was really after that that one minister said to me today, actually feels like people have lost
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their mind. and people have been broken by this issue. so on the tory side of things there is also a lot ofangerand side of things there is also a lot of anger and suggestion that actually is real double standards here and one mp said to me today that everyone is to have a crip because the same mps are attacking and accusing boris johnson because the same mps are attacking and accusing borisjohnson of because the same mps are attacking and accusing boris johnson of all sorts of things and being a tyrant, of being a dictator and being a liar, and been doing that for a long time. so, you know, it's not straightforward, but i think for a lot of people even some people in the own government borisjohnson did cross the line last night. let's see what he had to say about it today. cross the line last night. let's see what he had to say about it todaylj totally what he had to say about it today.” totally deplore any threats to anybody, particularly female mps and anybody, particularly female mps and a lot of work has been done to stop that and to give people the security that and to give people the security that they need. but i do think it's important that in the house of commons i should be able to talk
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about the surrender bill and surrender act in the way that i did. but a question that language too. do you really? that's an important point. what that act would do is ta ke point. what that act would do is take away the power of the government and power of this country to decide how long we would remain in the eu. and give that power to the eu. that's really quite an extraordinary thing. they're really digging in on this surrender bill stuff, that language they used it to describe and prevent a new deal brexit. why do they call it that? they argue that it surrenders the capacity to negotiate, is the gist of it. because of there's delayed there's no incentive for the eu to budge and also the other thing is about this when it was in charge in downing street, lots of people on vote leave and for them we have to say, it's controversial and people hate this idea before them when people are saying isn't it terrible that he surrender bill? isn't it awful? people say what is the
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surrender bill, welcome to bill the mps imposed on the government and they think this means cut through. it's like a 350 million claim, people said it was misleading with statistics, but it got people talking. and that cuts through the noise. and picking up on the point you're making about the mood here, the language from around downing street today after the meeting portionsjohnson had street today after the meeting portions johnson had with street today after the meeting portionsjohnson had with mps that a crunch point is been reached, yes there are tensions but they view the previous government put those tensions off. a quote here from a senior government tensions off. a quote here from a senior government source, tensions off. a quote here from a senior government source, this building, talking about parliaments, taking a wrecking ball to politics is very big potatoes and a lot of people here don't want to face the fundamentals of their environment and the less government encouraged people to avoid facing reality but in the end reality cannot be fooled. trying to get the country out of the hold after the less government drove us hold after the less government drove us into a cul—de—sac. it's obvious what they're trying to say that this
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moment had to come at some stage. so many things being picked up from those more watching from the outside and one thing that's been noted and here in brussels isjust the fact that it's being touted by the government a surrender bill is reminiscent of words from the brexit party, nigel farage saying owning a country that had been vanquished or beaten in war when he something like that. which makes the eu think about upcoming general election and boris johnson possibly working with the brexit party, and a lot of calculations going on behind—the—scenes here. calculations going on behind-the-scenes here. boris johnson has picks this strategy and there's no sign he will pull back from it. this is like a fight that has to play out in order to be able to move on. i also think i don't know how many mps really see how much when people watch and hear this stuff come theyjust think what are you doing? and how much of a
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division between the parties. this problem is exhausted and broken and there is a political dispute of two we nt there is a political dispute of two went to have an election but this problem is not working. they cannot do anything. we've got amazing insight of what it's like in his quarters that i don't roam any more thanks to somebody‘s camera phone. we are about to listen to carl turner who is a labour mp for whole. whole east, i think. carl turner confronting dominic cummings. and dominic is at least essential. chief of staff to factor for the prime minister who is someone whose name is spelled out by his tractors and revered by brexiteers and that this summary revered by brexiteers and that this summary of everywhere he has prayed graphically.
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envisage thinkable view we would have been in a situation where very senior downing street operative is being yelled at by a labour mp because he had to death threats overnight, and the answer would be, just get brexit done then. we've come a very long way down a very surprising path that's very worrying. but equally was it convenient that the office where there with their camera phones to film and were very happy to make
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available for everyone else to see? so he wanted to make his point not in private but to the whole world. we are in that era now. from outside parliament, the general public, as farasl parliament, the general public, as faras i can parliament, the general public, as far as i can tell from sort of family and friends at home or whatever, people are divided about how they feel about a language that's used for the prime minister, or how opposition mps are behaving. because it's one thing with the all think of each other but how was this playing out in the greater public? could this be affecting the result ofa could this be affecting the result of a general election if it is held? we have just heard from political cabinet this afternoon and briefings that actually they believe that the tory party can win in this way. and have done very well with their fundraising in september, their most
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successful fundraising fundraising in september, their most successfulfundraising month fundraising in september, their most successful fundraising month ever. this is the massive gamble. can you key into what is very real frustration with this whole mess? by just being the person that says i'm going to get it done? i don't care how it plays i'm going to get it done. i don't care what it takes, i willjust get it done. he still, downing street still does want to get a deal. but from some of the conversations i've had and i'm sure we've been having them all week, when they look at this you would not blame them if they thought, oh. might be a bit tricky getting that through. are they better to wait for a general election? should we talk about labour? i know it feels like ancient history when it was two days ago, but there's a party having their disagreements in public. which might occasionally be not great for someone might occasionally be not great for someone looking in but is definitely open as not all party conferences
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are as open as that. the curious thing about it was that you had a roomful of people probably come and i'm guessing, probably 95% of who voted remained in the last referendum and probably a similar proportion if there was another one, but having a really important in front of little disagreement party strategy and what point the party is overtly for remain. which was also very angry and lively, and also in a way that last night did in the comments turned into a loyalty test. leadership is very worried they were going to be forced to remove immediately and packing a campaigning for staying in eu right now. the really did not want to do that the big union backers don't wa nt that the big union backers don't want to well unites does not want to do that but the strategy for stopping that policy was physically to turn into a loyalty test for jeremy corbyn. you could tell that straightaway because even me, as soon as straightaway because even me, as soon as they had... of course i do,
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of course i do. if susie had the people proposing 13 first is the neighbour that he make a name of the motion that was the one about we are go to the next election there should bea go to the next election there should be a referendum and terrifically campaign to but there was a fairly large chair because loads of people there was a fairly large chair because those of people their support remain. a bit of a moment. all those in favour, thank you. and all those against. sorry, all those in favour, thank you. and allthose against. sorry, i all those in favour, thank you. and all those against. sorry, i thought it was one way, jenny said something else. that was lost. it was in my view, it was carried. i know... sorry, sorry, sorry. listen. i'm getting it that it was lost. sorry. of course she is referring to the general secretary of the labour party sat next to her and it appeared to tell her with the result was which was different than the one
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she thought she witnessed with her own eyes. people were saying if we had had that how on earth do you work out how many hands were up and secondly could vote a different way from the peer pressure of thejeremy corbyn loving neighbour if you could cast your vote in private. a year on a set in someone's seat in the did the show of hands i was like, what would happen if i put my hand up? and he is slightly better voting system here and there was a discussion the next day about should we move discussion the next day about should we move to electronic voting and the labour party conference? a lot of angst behind the scene about it being packed and unison delegates not turning up and they said they would back the very controversially because even though it went through it was worth noting that had a row about trying to get rid of tom watson, and a big deal for one of the big unions and one of the biggest right now. to have broken with the leadership on that so
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that's not happy camp either. the tories of cross will have their co nfe re nce tories of cross will have their conference next week and be a bit strange because parliament will still be sitting, but they will also have their own rigmarole and in manchester. what do you think people on the other side of the channel are making of all of this anger? have had about 50 coffees and brussels this morning but does not mean i have information. what you make of it? the feeling here across the capitals is there's no way, like in no way that a deal is going to get done by mid—october. the eu was already thinking about, is upset that time is ticking but if you are looking at the mid—october summit there is not much time left for negotiations because before leaders sit down together there's a whole load of preparatory meetings and lower clinical level before that, and leaders would want to see the
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text of an agreed new brexit deal between the eu and to the uk but for that that think it then presents to their parliament, many of them and before they would come here to brussels and say to boris johnson yes, here you go, we've actually done it. for so many reasons nobody thinks that's going to happen. people here are talking about extension and what might happen, with borisjohnson will extension and what might happen, with boris johnson will ask for one, if you want to come if they get two different requests one thing i'm not asking for one and once from the courts saying we are demanding that we, it's our law we are asking for and what they might do. that background chatter in the eu is how they we get around that extension quandary. i think what's painting them at the moment is they really wanted to keep outs of the domestic mass. they will find themselves sandwiched between parliament and the prime minister over the subject ofan the prime minister over the subject of an extension at the summit. the uk government, as they clocked those
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down and after the fiasco last night there will aware where the chances are probably going down but they're still this is a very strong belief that it's a political choice now for the eu who has to come they say in elections coming so that's wage, or do they say boris johnson might have a better chance and probably had a theoretically better chance than theresa may of getting a deal through, it's worth having a pop. do they see it like that? i was speaking to someone over my many coffees this morning and they said they're such a hunger to do a deal with there was such a hunger to do a deal that actually may be impossible would have become possible a couple of weeks ago one of the clues about whether that would have happened was these papers the uk is putting on these papers the uk is putting on the table, these very secrets technical talks in brussels over the last few weeks. but the problem is for the eu those papers have not come up to scratch, they think they are frankly quite rubbish. and...
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the technical term. and the uk is pursuing this thing and the eu says this is acceptable and they are not getting closer together. they had been getting closer together and then maybe borisjohnson pulled a rabbit out of a hat after the tory conference that sealed the deal, then maybe we would be looking at a new deal, but the fact that those papers and the technical work the eu has just been finding it very disappointing to impossible happened in parliament as we get people telling them the chance of a deal is now at zero. it's boring to say the homework you can turned up with was not good enough but that's how they feel. that's not going to the technical details any more. we are running out of time and someone told me that in the non—paper papers one of these suggestions is that you would have to change some of their rules for it to work. it's not just we don't like your rules and they would like to have pick and choose style, but it's also that would
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actually require changing the rules, so actually require changing the rules, so it's not looking good. no way, no way is the quote i will remember. one thing for the diary is we are focused on the prime minister's timetable which is, and also now the law which says there has to be a deal by that mid—october eu leaders summits but the eu sees this differently. the timetable is up to the 31st of october because that's the 31st of october because that's the legal date where the uk will be leaving in the eu and thus there is another extension so even if there is drama at the summit, and quite a few people predict the drama of the summit that does not mean it's all over, that means there might still be residual possible maybe, maybe up until the 31st. be residual possible maybe, maybe up untilthe 31st. is be residual possible maybe, maybe up until the 31st. is another thing doing the rounds today in brussels. this idea that this will take a lot longer. they knew the trade talks,
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remember we talked about that? we would and that caused economic ownership. and that i would take a couple of years the people said maybe five or six years. they said ten. people are now looking at how divided parliament is and the tone and said britain is going to be going through this for way, way longer. and actually rather than thinking how do we manage no—deal brexit? more like how do we manage the uk that's going through this for another ten or 15 years as their nearest neighbour. they will have an election quite soon so maybe it won't be all that. never mind that, let's talk about the brexit monster. this is our old friend. the brexit muppet from the netherlands. the prime minister of the netherlands, no. you are watching, listening prime minister of the netherlands we do not think you are a muppet. he
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was talks to the bbc cameras that summit sol was talks to the bbc cameras that summit so i will not have that language. and he did hold the brexitcast award. the dutch have this brexit muppet who is a big furry blue guile was about seven and peat tall. it could be a gal but it's a person in a costume. and he goes because he got a podcast. this was just goes because he got a podcast. this wasjust an goes because he got a podcast. this was just an advertising campaign to get dutch businesses to get ready for brexit but now it's gone out of control. this muppet has published a glossy book which became available today featuring multiple photos of him or her in strange positions like interrupting a fruit picking manufacturing line. brexit muppet kama sutra. not only that but there's a muppet podcast i believe ina there's a muppet podcast i believe in a picture of him with headphones on. does he speak dutch or does he
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speak, i don't know, this is... what it might dutch context said oh, we've got a computer game for him as well. and i thought well, and that i did the computer game. if it is for check list in dutch from importers and exporters about how to get their goods ready with pictures of this monster like loading boxes, filling inaform monster like loading boxes, filling in a form and i'm sure it's not quite that, i was expecting mario kart, terry donkey kong. sorry netherlands. it's like safety videos and airlines will try to make them fun. not that much fun. does he have a name? i don't think so, there's lots of speculation about who is in the costume. do you speak dutch?” don't but this your area of expertise. thanks everyone, that was a lot to chew over. with that she would over some of the already in
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our emergency podcast that we did throughout the week which you can get on bbc sounds so if you want to get on bbc sounds so if you want to get more of the details behind the stuff you can listen to us talk about it on that forever. yes, many more. we did say it was going to ta ke more. we did say it was going to take 15 years. ijust more. we did say it was going to take 15 years. i just say goodbye to shut you up, really. bye. bye. bye. with the weight of the drive starts in september this week for more rain on the way. as a cloud here is an extent significant rainmaker but even ahead of that more torrential downpour is in the form of showers so downpour is in the form of showers so yes, downpour is in the form of showers so yes, more downpour is in the form of showers so yes, more rain to come. the system over the weekend will bring
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widespread heavy and persistent rain but as well as that gale force winds possibly coinciding with a full moon and high tides it looks wet enough a nyway to and high tides it looks wet enough anyway to friday with torrential showers around. hail and thunder and slow moving in the north because of the alleged winds. for the south more briskly because the wind is still quite blustery. we'll feel cooler on friday for most of us after a cooler start as well in the north and quite notable. that is we say we turn our attention to the weekend at low pressure with its showers moves weekend at low pressure with its showers moves out weekend at low pressure with its showers moves out of the way and this next system moves then with tropical air encased in that low pressure system. ensuring some really quite nasty rainfall amounts to come. potentially with flood issues. and if it will be another day of blustery showers on saturday. ten to ease a little but that rain comes in as we head through the afternoon into wales and the southwest with the winds strengthening all the time. saturday night brings a full moon and high tides so with potential gale force winds and western areas we can well see some winds and western areas we can well
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see some coastal flooding in with friday's rain saturday sundays rain with the as much as hundred and 50 mm of rain in some parts of england and wales in particular takes its time to clear out the way on sunday and then what follows is strong wind. drying up the picture gradually lots of showers were followed behind in the strength of the wind, as i said concerned saturday night and then through sunday afternoon letter part of sunday afternoon letter part of sunday on the north sea coast, we can have severe gales battering the coastline here as well. then we get a brief respite and just a brief one. mostly for the north but will we find is the wind comes down so we will also get a brief cold snap of whether more notable i think for scotla nd whether more notable i think for scotland and northern ireland but accentuated by the strength of the wind initially on monday. a dryer start, misty problems in the morning put in the rain comes in across southern and western areas again on top of already a lot of rain falling through the weekend. still remains
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relatively mild in the south of feeling chilly in the north, both monday and into tuesday. when except the north may escape the worst of the north may escape the worst of the weight weather to start the new week but instead we see that rain strung out across england and wales and gradually reentering out of the way. we see the temperatures dipped by day and the single figures. it does last not long. there's that ridge of high pressure because the time we reach the middle of the week the low pressure in the atlantic becomes the more dominant feature again and again there could be some trouble mixed in with the system and at this stage looks as if the north and west will bear the brunt of the wettest a nd and west will bear the brunt of the wettest and potentially windy weather and the devil is in the details. but it will bring in is the return to much more milder air coming off the atlantic and the jet strea m coming off the atlantic and the jet stream you can coming off the atlantic and the jet stream you can see coming off the atlantic and the jet stream you can see here strung across the uk so driving these systems our way. so after which wendy whether for the weekend some brief and cooler and possibly drier
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weather especially in the north it turns wet and windy once again. there are warnings now and those warnings are on the website, but 00:29:08,849 --> 4294966103:13:29,430 from me, goodbye.
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