tv The Papers BBC News October 17, 2019 10:40pm-11:01pm BST
there's been more british success at the european track championships in apeldoorn, the netherlands. with the women claiming the gold medal in the team pursuit. the team of laura kenny, katie archibald, neah evans and eleanor dickinson beat germany in the final by almost three seconds. the men's pursuit team took bronze in their event. that's all from sportsday. coming up in a moment, the papers. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are stephen bush, political editor at the new statesman and olivia utley,
deputy editor of the article. many of tomorrow's front pages are already in. the telegraph reports that borisjohnson will give mps a ‘my deal or no deal‘ ultimatium tomorrow after the eu suggested there would be no further brexit extension. the i also goes with the pm's new deal with the eu, with the paper looking ahead to saturday's crunch commons vote. there's a very happy borisjohnson on the metro's front page, shaking hands with jean claude juncker, the president of the european commission. the pair are also on the ft‘s front page, with the paper detailing how the dup's opposition to the deal spells trouble for the pm's hopes of it passing it in the commons. ‘it‘s a numbers game‘ —— that's how the guardian describes the upcoming commons vote. the paper claims the the arithmetic looks ‘daunting' for mrjohnson. the daily mail reports on what it calls the pm's ‘remarkable turnaround‘ in securing an ‘extraordinary last minute deal‘.
we will talk about turkey and a little while but let‘s start with the metro. seal our deal, now we have boris johnson shaking the metro. seal our deal, now we have borisjohnson shaking hands with an open mouthjean—claude. we‘ll see what happens in the commons in a while but first of all, this deal a lot of people told boris johnson that he cannot be done. this deal a lot of people told boris johnson that he cannot be donem is sort of incredible when you think about it but just is sort of incredible when you think about it butjust that is sort of incredible when you think about it but just that this is sort of incredible when you think about it butjust that this has happened. there is a brilliant clip of rory stewart saying that he get down on bended knee and apologist of borisjohnson if down on bended knee and apologist of boris johnson if he down on bended knee and apologist of borisjohnson if he can get a deal because rory was so absolutely utterly convinced that it was a fa ntasy utterly convinced that it was a fantasy and he has done it. so whatever happens now is a pretty impressive feat for him and even if he does not manage to get it through parliament, it does feel as though todayis parliament, it does feel as though today is felt like the conservative party has come together again.
nicholas for example on one side who is no longer even officially a conservative mp piecing hats off to borisjohnson, we conservative mp piecing hats off to boris johnson, we thought conservative mp piecing hats off to borisjohnson, we thought it was impossible and we have peter bohn saying that he might support it. so whatever happens now, boris has his party together, i think. talk to us about this deal and how much better oi’ about this deal and how much better or different is it from theresa may‘s withdrawal agreement. people say hers was not ideal for a lot of people, but in many peoples estimations, it was better than this. to make the difference between the deals are very small and very large. there are two options available which have been clear to everyone looking at the policy which is you either have your regulatory border that allows you to maintain the open border on the island of ireland with northern ireland diverging on customs to a greater or lesser extent from the united kingdom. 0r lesser extent from the united kingdom. or you do a theresa may envisioned which was staff the whole
of the united kingdom and the regulatory and customs union. it is quite small because all boris johnson is done is say, i prefer option and they accept the important thing about option a that allows you much greater degree of freedom to diverge from eu rules after you leave if you are in england, scotland and wales. so the consequence of that is england scotland and wales will be able to treat less free with europe but they will be able to tree more freely with the us, china, mexico, india, etc. so the choice that theresa may made was between the union and access with the eu market and regulatory freedom and shows access to that market and boris johnson preferred regulatory freedom. so it is not a big diplomatic coup. if you have the metre the fish and you fail to agree on the meat in the uc you agree on the fish it is not that big
ofa agree on the fish it is not that big of a difference, but the difference between meat and fish is substantial. boris johnson gets is eu deal but has he have the numbers on saturday with this unusual common sitting? this is what everyone is talking about. there‘s so many mock—ups about how it might go and most of the estimations predict that boris will lose it by two votes. so it is that tight and now we have the lib dems, s&p were never going to vote for it but most of the conservatives from both sides of the party are going to come together and vote for it and so it all depends on labour you have jeremy vote for it and so it all depends on labour you havejeremy corbyn sing absolutely no. but then you have these 20 or so labour mps who have been saying for months and months and months that they were just begging for a deal that they can vote for. they are not being a bit more cautious about it and saying we are not quite sure about the environmental standards, we have to look at very closely. but it will come down to whether or not they can
vote for. and interestingly, they will not lose the whip if they vote for it but for a lot of them, that is what might‘ve prevented them. so ido is what might‘ve prevented them. so i do think there is a chance, but it is very tight. the regulations that people talk about, you talked about the environmental protections which have always been a part of our eu membership, the other concern is the employment protection which is a lwa ys employment protection which is always gone hand—in—hand with the relationship in the eu. they are very concerned about that. one of the reasons why the labour party we nt the reasons why the labour party went from a mostly anti—eu party in the 705 to more of a pro—european party was they believe that their ability to en5hrine in law above the briti5h parliament worker5' right5 protections wa5 briti5h parliament worker5' right5 protections was a double protection for their political victory. now we are leaving and the big conce55ion
i5 are leaving and the big conce55ion is to put those protections in the treaty again, they chose to reject that not every deal that, if it pa55e5, will allow any government to unpick those labour market regulations. this is how i'm mean thati5 regulations. this is how i'm mean that is a small change but it's a really big policy difference. and it means that a lot of labour mp5 are quite nervou5 means that a lot of labour mp5 are quite nervous about setting fire to the double protection. they want to wina the double protection. they want to win a general election though and then enshrine workers‘ rights as much as they like. but the dup, they changed their minds throughout the day. this lying down the irish sea where there will be some kind of checks or somehow between goods from northern ireland, that is been there forever. lots of people are talking about how they cannot 5crap forever. lots of people are talking
about how they cannot scrap the back5top and he has. he described it by making up the front 5top back5top and he has. he described it by making up the front stop for the united kingdom. and the reason why thati5 united kingdom. and the reason why that is so important is not because they won't tolerate differences, they're happy for differences in air pa55enger difference and abortion, but they want deci5ion5 pa55enger difference and abortion, but they want decisions for northern ireland to be made in either london or we5tmin5ter or by the dup and the devolved a55embly or we5tmin5ter or by the dup and the devolved assembly and what this deal doe5 devolved assembly and what this deal does is it takes power5 devolved assembly and what this deal does is it takes powers that are currently residing in brussels for everybody, give5 currently residing in brussels for everybody, gives them back to london for scotland england and wales and keep5 for scotland england and wales and keeps them there where the dup cannot influence it. which is why they're 5et cannot influence it. which is why they're set against it. my deal or no deal. i feel like we have for that quite a bit and notjust from borisjohnson but that quite a bit and notjust from boris johnson but also from theresa may before. so if it is a no on saturday in the commons... although the eu want this resolved, they have tried to help bori5
the eu want this resolved, they have tried to help borisjohnson out by 5aying tried to help borisjohnson out by saying we do not see any need for a extension. but only one eu nation ha5 extension. but only one eu nation has to say actually, we do not want it to make an extension. guy's, plea5e let'5 it to make an extension. guy's, plea5e let's not have a no deal. everyone will think, if portugal ha5 a large dia5pora 5aying let'5 everyone will think, if portugal ha5 a large dia5pora 5aying let's not go for no deal, there is a feeling that if your friends he preferred to be over, whether you want their support oi'i over, whether you want their support on the banking union, there would be pretty angry. so in practice, if it i5 pretty angry. so in practice, if it is voted down, you did an extension but the question that people in the eu are saying what is this extension for and what i think it's fairly plausible i5 for and what i think it's fairly plausible is if you have a situation where it is voted down, we ask for an extension, the eu goe5 what is it for? parliament cannot agree you say 0k, for? parliament cannot agree you say ok, you do not get one, you doe5 vote for the deal and you're out and perhap5 vote for the deal and you're out and perhaps the deal pa55e5 vote for the deal and you're out and perhaps the deal passes the second time. there are voices that want to
hear a confirmatory vote of the deal and that would be, how does he get from where we are now to that? and that would be, how does he get from where we are now to that7m feels like it is quite a torturous route now from here to remain. you would have to have a general election and then labour wins the general election and then they said ofa general election and then they said of a second vote on the referendum of a second vote on the referendum of the deal and even then, the pulse predict that brexit might win again. so that does seem like a bit of a long—winded route and we have eu nations that may agree to an extension if there is a clear example for like a general election. but if there is not, what is in the for them, they have done everything that they possibly can. you have luxembourg sings evening that it is this deal or no deal and jean—claude can‘t decide but they could use the veto and it is possible that they will. message to dithering mps, take
the deal, many people out there who voted against brexit, what will they think? what they want to steal to get through because of this we are not leaving with no deal even though we have the act which would stop no deal and we have still got donald tusk saying that he is really sad today and... i find it difficult to believe, so many polls, the vast majority of the country is looking at in thinking, there might be a way to get around it. a lot of people, whichever way they voted for just thinking, oh come on, something has to be done. i can imagine, i voted remain ina to be done. i can imagine, i voted remain in a quite quickly came around to sing the point of brexit, but a lot of remain friends are not thinking. you see a lot of people on social media saying that remainders now, there‘s still a lot of people
thinking... no, will the social medias of the real world the. thing about the iraq war when that vote passed in parliament, a lot of people are saying that this is the end of the anti—war movement. that's 42,005, the lib dems gained a lot of votes and seats, fast—forward to the present day. the leader of the stop the war movement has transformed the labour party and now leads it. jeremy corbyn. whatever happened with brexit, the idea that is very energised remain movement is not going to have some kind of political repercussions, i think it'sjust wildly optimistic. so the moment we leave, if we do leave, there will be a move to get us back into the eu? this idea that some remainders have that half the country will turn around and say that is all right and the kind of lie that both sides of
selling is if i do might think that it will be over. one thing certainly is the idea that we will be able to stop talking about brexit, 92 we are all collecting our pensions i think. in the stuff the trade deal and if you keep talking about the dealer but we are actually meaning is the withdrawal agreement and the political declaration, that is before we even get started on the trade deal. there is a very long road ahead and i think that there‘s got to be an election sooner or later which is whoever goes into the next phase of these deals is going to have a proper mandate and yeah, it is going to be all to play for when we get to that election that we have all been talking about for so long. meanwhile, on the ft erdogan agrees to a cease—fire after the united states agrees to rein in turkish sanctions. this is mike pence, mike pompeo, saying and coming up with in diplomatic terms,
like a very quick resolution to this and agreement of i20 like a very quick resolution to this and agreement of 120 hour cease—fire. and agreement of 120 hour cease-fire. yes. basically, turkey wa nted cease-fire. yes. basically, turkey wanted to get the kurds out of that pa rt wanted to get the kurds out of that part of syria and try to get them to remain out. and donald trump said you have to stop doing this but the kurds have got to leave this part of syria. so turkey didn‘t get their way ina syria. so turkey didn‘t get their way in a roundabout sort of way. but they really wanted was for the us to stop the sanctions. in many ways, is probably the sanctions followed by turkey and the political fallout for donald trump at home for visibly betraying an ally and murder in the streets also become a problem in washington. if he knows that president trump via his vice
president is prepared to get involved when he has not wanted to in the middle east at all, has he? by in the middle east at all, has he? by think donald trump is such an unpredictable character and you don‘t know what is going to do from one day to the next and he can change his mind about interfering in national affairs over and over again. ido national affairs over and over again. i do not think anyone definitely not, erdogan because donald trump is... but what about the intention to get the troops out of these conflicts zones overseas? ultimately, the lesson that most people in the region will take looking back over the last eight to ten years is ultimately, you make a deal with russia, vladimir putin does not abandon his allies. if you make a deal with the united states, they do. that is a huge lasting impact not only the middle east, but across the world. the russian factor
is interesting here because his involvement and association. of course and donald trump is displaying this the way no us president has before. it is interesting and strange to watch and it definitely isn‘t the end yet. that‘s it for the papers tonight. don‘t forget you can see the front pages of the papers online on the bbc news website. it‘s all there for you seven days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers, and if you miss the programme any evening, you can watch it later on bbc iplayer. the headlines are coming up at 11pm. to stay with us for that. stephen, 0livia, thank you very much. and after all of that uncertainty,
which you really need is a bbc weather forecast to give you something to hold onto. and, yes stop more of the same if you wanted ina stop more of the same if you wanted in a nutshell, there‘s been a lot of thunderstorms and a lot of torrential downpour is today and there is more to come. that is friday morning, still the low pressure bombarding us with the shower if not longer spells of rain over the past few hours, if you start the new day on friday, the northeast of england and you may hang onto the rain, it will clear eventually and may work overnight here and some proceedings and showers there on western parts of england and wales and from the word 90, england and wales and from the word go, making progress for the to the east with time for the afternoon, showers and northern ireland, wanted toa disk showers and northern ireland, wanted to a disk to do so. friday but the same area of low pressure and dominant on friday, still with saturday. northern flank and rain rather than showers, going to the
eastern half of scotland and into the northern half of england and following behind his northerly wind and plenty of it too and plenty of h efty and plenty of it too and plenty of hefty which i was there, further south, there are fewer shares but if you catch one again, they‘re going to be in the sharp side again. and then, a bit of a difference come sunday for signs away from that weather front and something a bit drier breaking out. northerly wind from 40 to 50 mph and northern ireland but the greater part of england and wales, away from that weather front. not england and wales, away from that weatherfront. not faring england and wales, away from that weather front. not faring too well through the course of sunday, temperatures began to fall back because of the northerly wind and into the start of next week and dry weather. yes, he said dry weather. for a while, couple of days where thanks to that ridge of high pressure toppling its way across the british isles and at last the low pressure is british isles and at last the low pressure is over british isles and at last the low pressure is over the intercontinental europe and that allows us to go with some mellow
fruitfulness start to the day but a fog around as well and watch out for that, but it is right for the most pa rt that, but it is right for the most part and once the sun comes on through, it does not do much for the temperature but it probably lift your spirits for we are each about 13 degrees, similar affair into tuesday but you will notice that it is hard to miss it. towards northern and western parts of the uk, both weather fronts will turn much and western parts of the uk, both weatherfronts will turn much more u nsettled weatherfronts will turn much more unsettled is to get to the middle pa rt unsettled is to get to the middle part of next week and make the most of monday and tuesday.
boris johnson shakes hands on what he calls a great deal, but he still needs mps at westminster to approve it. i hope very much now, speaking to elected representatives that my fellow mps in westminster do now come together to get brexit done, to get this excellent deal over the line. he wants to count on the support of northern ireland‘s dup but so far they‘re not in favour, and nor is labour. as it stands, we cannot support this deal and will oppose it in parliament on saturday, and it also is unclear if he has the support of his allies in the dup or indeed many of his allies on his own backbenches.