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corners of england. temperatures of 5-10d but corners of england. temperatures of 5—10d but factoring in those strong winds, better in north—eastern areas. through the rest of the week, areas. through the rest of the week, a week of roller—coaster temperatures. mild south—westerly winds interspersed by cold spells of westerly winds. whence change on a day by day basis. south—westerly winds winning the battle, outbreaks of rain, heavy pushing eastwards gci’oss of rain, heavy pushing eastwards across the country. accompanied by schooling gusts of wind. temperatures of 10—12d. on wednesday, a change in the wind direction. cold and north—westerly winds, a day of sunshine and squally showers. wintry over higher ground, in the far north of england. some thunder. and a much cooler day. temperatures between six and 9 degrees. that's the latest weather.
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hello, this is bbc news with martine croxall. the headlines: as the final few days of campaigning get underway, the conservatives promise to introduce an australian—style points—based immigration system to control unskilled migration. meanwhile labour has set out their plans for social care if they win the election, offering more funding and free personal care
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for older people in england. police in india have arrested the owner of a delhi factory where a fire killed more than a0 people overnight. a murder investigation has been launched in northamptonshire after a 25—year—old woman died in rushden. a 13—year—old boy and a 27—year—old man have been arrested on suspicion of murder. now, the best of the week's interviews and reports from the victoria derbyshire show. hello and welcome to the programme. two state funded orthodox jewish schools in london have been accused of pressurising parents into withdrawing their children from new sex education lessons which have become mandatory in secondary schools in england next year. this programme has seen e—mails and heard
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recordings of school staff telling parents how to take their kids out of the lessons. the liberal democrat spokesperson for education says the findings are shocking and calls on the department for education to investigate. we have this exclusive report. this house isn't for people with red hair. from next september, it will be mandatory to teach relationships education in primary schools in england and relationships and sex education — rse — in secondary schools. it's ok to be different. some schools like this primary are already teaching it. they chant. since january, there have been high—profile protests and leafleting campaigns at school gates, particularly against teaching about lg bt relationships. most of the protests so far have been from parents, with teachers supporting the lessons. this investigation has uncovered something different. parents who feel that some orthodox jewish schools
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are pressuring them to remove children from classes. this mother received an e—mail from her children's orthodoxjewish school in stamford hill in north london. it's a state—funded school. "the problem is the government is making this subject mandatory in september 2020. however, parents have the right to opt out. i have attached the policy the school has in dealing with this subject. hence, i do see you as parents have the right to withdraw your daughters from the subject on religious grounds." the e—mail goes on. "the subject is not currently taught in school. please exercise your right to prevent it being taught by responding to this e—mail saying that you do not want your daughters to receive lessons in rse." and this bits in bold. how did you feel when you got the e—mail? i was quite...disgusted, for want of a better word. because i think, i thought that my kids' school was pretty open, as orthodox schools go.
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when sex and relationships education lessons become mandatory in 2020, parents will have the right to withdraw their children from the sex education element. that decision is meant to be up to parents, though, and not be influenced by pressure from a school. i think that e—mail was designed to put a stop to rse being taught in the school. it was a really strong—worded e—mail saying, please, sign it so we don't have to teach it. why is it, do you think that the school doesn't want to teach rse? i think the fact that people with different sexualities existing in the world is something that they don't want to expose their children to. i don't think they want to expose them to the concept of... ..of sex. the school that sent that e—mail is called lu bavitch senior girls' school. it told us that if the parent concerned lodges her complaint according to the complaints policy,
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that it will be fully investigated and responded to appropriately. the mum, though, says she feels too scared to complain. i've also been sent this recording. now, this mum was called by staff at her children'sjewish school in north london. she was so shocked by what was said that she called the school back, recorded that conversation and shared it with us. we've disguised the voice of the mother and an actor has voiced over the staff member to protect identities. hello. you just called me before. yes. yeah, sorry, i put down the phone and i had so many questions i thought i'd call you back. 0k, go on. firstly, what exactly should i be writing in the letter? what is it about exactly? right, basically, we need parents to formally say, "i do not want you to teach my child about single—gender relationships or sex education within the school," unless you do, as a parent, want that. do you want...?
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i mean, i assume as a parent you don't want us to teach your children this. no, i wouldn't. but you're asking all the mothers to do this? yep. every parent in the school. 0k. and i should write it to mrs...? to mrs neuberger, yes. ok, ijust wanted to... 0k? yep. thank you so much. the school that made the calls is called yesodey hatorah. it's also state funded and in stamford hill in north london. it does not deny making those calls. the mother in the recording was too nervous to be on camera, so her words are read by an actor. after i received that call, i decided to write the letter to the school, saying i didn't want the teaching, even though i thought it was imperative for my children to be given sex education. i felt i had to write it because i didn't want the school to think i don't agree with them on this. i'd be too scared to express my real views with anyone in the orthodoxjewish community as i know i'd be thought of as not jewish or completely weird, and i know i'd be alienated or ostracized.
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the truth is, our children need sex education more than any other child in the country because our community is so insular. there is no other way in which a child in this community could learn about healthy sex and relationships, as the internet and all forms of national media is banned. in a statement, a spokesperson for yesodey hatorah school responded by saying... "the vast majority of our families expect sex education to be given privately, within the family, at home. they do not expect their children to be given sex education in a school classroom. it is therefore very important that we let parents know that their child will be given sex education at school unless they opt out. the school conducted both an oral and a written consultation about sex education in spring 2018. following this, parents made their choice. every parent in our school opted out. the school will provide sex education for any child who has not opted out. accusations of coercion against our school are entirely false. not one parent has complained
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to the school about the issue. the school acts in keeping with the law and with parental choice." what do you want to do when you grow up? yehudis fletcher is the founder of nahamu, a think tank addressing extremism in thejewish community. she lives in manchester with her three children, who attend jewish orthodox schools. she says these e—mails and calls put huge pressure on parents to do as the school wants rather than what they think is right for their children. it's very frightening. nobody wants to be that one person because if there's, you know, 99% of the parents are going to send back that letter saying we want to withdraw our children for sre, that one or sort of of parents who are, you know, maybe brave enough not to send it back are then going to be targets. yehudis says without sex education, many young orthodox jews don't find out what sex is until they're expected to have it on their wedding night. and that's what happened to jamie, whose name we've changed
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because she's worried about a backlash for speaking out. she's an artist who's now left the orthodox jewish community, but grew up in a strict religious family in stamford hill. she went to yesodey hatorah school, the one recorded in that phone message. what was your education like? i took gcses. and our school became state—aided, so i had to, but our gcses were censored. so science, we didn't learn about evolution. we didn't learn about reproduction. we didn't learn anything regarding sex ed at all. nothing? nothing. not even the word period — nothing. yeah, i just remember reading our science textbook and then there's all these blacked—out words in it. redacted stuff. and i remember trying to read it — like put it up to the light
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and trying to read it, but i couldn't. she says the first time she was told about sex was just weeks before her wedding, at 19, by a woman sent to give her bridal lessons. so she said that we would go to our flat and i would have to ask him to unzip my dress and then i'd, you know, get undressed. he would leave the room, i'd get undressed, be completely naked under the covers, and then i would turn off the light. he would come in and then he would say a blessing and then do the deed. and he would... i asked her, what do you mean, do the deed? so she said, he's gonna lie on top of you. and ijust, ifreaked out, i couldn't take it. it was too traumatising.
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jamie was even more petrified because she'd been sneaking crime novels out of the library for some time. what she'd read about sex in them was rape. she fled before the marriage and eventually left the community completely. we need parents to formally say, i do not want you to teach my child about single—gender relationships or sex education within the school. we showed our investigation to layla moran, the liberal democrat spokesperson for education. i do think now, off the back of this investigation, the department for education needs to have its own investigation into these schools. because if they are in effect coercing parents to stop them from wanting to have sex and relationships education in that school, i mean, that e—mail that we saw was unequivocal. that phone call, i don't think, could have been much clearer. they clearly don't want to teach these subjects. that is counter to the guidelines, but it is also counter to the spirit of the equality act, which is the very same act that
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protects religious freedoms. i do think now it's time for the department for education to act. next, it's back by popular demand. oh, yes it is. our election blind date series, where we send two people with opposing political views on a blind date. it is genuinely blind, neither knows who they are about to meet. so, will these two hit it off or will things fall apart when they start to talk about brexit? oh, that's better. so i can now see myself. my name is alastair campbell. i think people will know me as having worked for tony blair. i'm kenneth clarke, a health secretary, home secretary and chancellor of the exchequer, lord chancellor and justice secretary. right... corbyn orjohnson? such a joyless election. it's different. so, yeah, i've always been labour. i'm left of centre.
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bit of a spectrum, left of centre. record skips. i've always described myself as right of centre. i'm a discontented conservative. i'm about to have a meal, lunch. in the main, i refuse to have lunch. oh, my god! ah! i was taking your name in vain in a conversation earlier on. were you? good to see you. what were you saying? forgive me for not leaping to my feet — i'm rather lame nowadays. what were you saying? i thought, who had moved away from parliamentary politics towards public relations politics started... 0h! ..when tony brought you. so you're blaming me? you got rid of all the civil service press officers... oh, rubbish! ..and it all became more media based. i don't think that's true. i'm sure you would defend your media—based. .. what are you going to vote? well, i've voted every election in my life.
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so far, i've voted conservative, but i'm a discontented conservative. i know a lot of people in the major government not quite sure who they're going to vote for. there is a spectrum, ok? corbyn is there and farage is there, and johnson's just inside farage. so where are you? i'm centre right, about there... right, ok. so... and where are the lib dems? the lib dems? well, they're a protest, they‘ re a vehicle for protest votes. so are you going to protest against that lot? well, that's what a protest vote is. right. i am a conservative. your party has become the brexit party. well, we always had a right—wing fringe. now they've taken over. yeah. and, well, i've got to make my mind up. you haven't decided yet? no. i'm having a ham, egg and chips, i think. oh, are you? cheese omelette. chips? no, no chips. i'm an athlete. i'm going to tell you something that i've told very, very few people. did you know there is a medical condition...? you were the health secretary once — you should know this. there's a medical condition
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called saltomophobia. ah... bowled middle stump. i don't know many people with that. it's an irrational fear of ketchup. it's true. so is there a miracle cure? there isn't. the only cure is you have to... would you mind...? do you mind? do you want ketchup? no, thank you. no, no. good man! not because i have an irrational fear of ketchup — i don't like the taste of it. how are you voting? i've basically decided i'm going to back the people who have been early supporters of a people's vote. and in terms of my own vote, i'm going to vote for keir starmer. so you are campaigning for the labour party? iam. er. . . no. yes. and... you know what, the trouble is... and i'm going to go and help dominic grieve, if i can. and david gauke, i think. i've endorsed people like david gauke and dominic grieve and anna soubry. you and i, for the first time
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in our lives — although we get on perfectly well personally. but you're definitely a labour man and i'm definitely a conservative. both of us, in our ways, actively supporting the same candidates in particular seats. parties are polarised. labour's gone left, tories have gone right. in both cases, the left and the right have not purged the parliamentary party as they wanted to. i was booted out for voting lib dem, yeah. didn't you know that? i had no idea. ages ago. i knew when i lost the whip ijoined distinguished company. cos i thought that was... i didn't know you'd been kicked out. i got an expulsion e—mail 2a hours after saying on television i'd voted lib dem in the europeans. well, well, the trouble is, you see, we're busily reinforcing each other‘s moderate views, we think. have a chip. yeah, there we are.
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i don't thinkjeremy can win a majority. jeremy could never become prime minister in a thousand years. he was close last time, though, wasn't he? close—ish. he's a bogey man. he's been successfully portrayed as a bogey man. boris' best argument for voting for him is to say, you've got to vote for me because otherwise you'll getjeremy corbyn. i know. i think what boris does, he does blurt it out. i mean, he uses these boris phrases, these rather schoolboy phrases and he larks about. i remember you said, when is he going to realise he's actually, for the first time in his life, got a seriousjob? can he start taking it seriously? stop treating it all as a game, yeah. yeah, well, and that's... he still hasn't taken it seriously — he still does treat it as a game, i think. jeremy is genuinely left wing. i likejeremy‘s naive sincerity, he believes it all. boris isn't really a right—wing brexiteer. he became a brexiteer by accident. he's an opportunist. it's notjohn major against tony blair, is it?
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brexit is doing so much damage to the country, so much damage to our politics. i genuinely worry that ifjohnson gets a big majority, we are doing ourselves enormous damage. and i think the only way to keep the idea of a second referendum even remotely alive is for nobody to get a decent—sized majority. i know you've not been in favour of a second referendum... yeah, i get quite rude about referendums. i know you do — and i understand that. if it was the only way of stopping leaving with no deal, i would... yeah. it's a hugely complex, technical subject. i think to subject that to a yes—no opinion poll doesn't tell you... i agree. i don't know a labour mp i think of who i think is genuinely anti—semitic. anti—semitism, we know what it is and it is very nasty, and there is anti—semitism in the country, unfortunately, still.
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they are so fanatically against the government of israel and they spill over. yeah. it encourages more anti—semitism in those sections of the public who might previously have been a bit embarrassed and not lose. i think corbyn's problem with anti—semitism is he's more... it's almost like a capacity and competence question, that he didn't see that this was developing as the kind of issue that it has now become because he's got these fellow travellers that... similarly islamophobia. yeah. there isn't a conservative mp who's islamophobic. it's interesting you say you don't think there is a single tory mp who's islamophobic. i couldn't point you to anybody, but i kind of fear there might be. there is a certain tendency to going for dog whistle racism in the brexit campaigning. johnson is a journalist — that's what he did. yeah, i thinkjohnson's not too bad on race and immigration, really. one or two of his allies, the reason they went on about turks,
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which was a plain lie... and effective. the referendum... quite effective. because they didn't think people were worried enough about white immigrants. yeah. so if you started conjuring up millions of turks — "wink, wink, they are brown and muslim, you know? "we've got a lot of those already." boris stuck to all this stuff about millions a week for the nhs. he didn't campaign on the turks — that was gove. so whenjohnson was taken to task, you know, the stuff about burqas and letterboxes and all that sort of stuff, if you are a senior level politician, you can argue that you're not an islamophobe, but you know that your words are being welcomed by people who are. and you also know that's going to have an effect on people who are sitting on the top of a bus wearing a burqa. i think he's either conscious of the power of his words and doesn't care about the impact, or he's actually not conscious of the power of his words.
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i regularly quote it to people what you think your biggest mistake was. speed humps. the only one i ever admit to. road humps! every time i'm going over a road hump with a taxi driver and my back goes, and i will say, "that is ken clarke's bloody fault..." quite right. the biggest mistake a politician could make is to own up and admit to a mistake because you will never forget it for the rest of your career. so that's not the real mistake? i will carry my mistakes to the grave. i do think the really important big mistake in the blair government was the invasion of iraq, which even i never thought its consequences were so tragic and long lasting. so, certainly the government with which you are most associated, i'm sure, with hindsight, you agree that was a terrible mistake? i'm sure, with hindsight, i agree with your assessment that you should never necessarily... i might pick you up at health of having been a bit slow on the uptake
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about the tobacco lobby. well, i'm a lifelong smoker... and the public health agenda more generally, maybe. i used to have an amusing relationship with the public health lobby. are you still smoking? cigars nowadays. are you still? i gave up cigarettes. but you're quite right, you know... i'm getting old, so i always tell the same stories. but when i returned as secretary of state for health and went into the room, the first question i asked was, "what's happened to the ashtrays?" what are you going to do with the rest of your life? you sound like my children asking those questions! i think in terms of your career as a whole, i bet there isn't a single conservative alive that has more people viewing you as the tory prime minister they could have tolerated. oh, that's a great club to belong to. the best prime minister... the best prime minister we never had. you know, nobody will ever know how bad you would have been if they'd
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ever given you the chance. i can't be accused of not trying. what are we now supposed to be doing? we're two old men that are going to stand up and walk out still talking. right. lovely to see you. see you again. all the best! are they hush puppies? never hush puppies! i don't think hush puppies make any suede shoes. that's it for this week. you can contact us at any time —, or message me on twitter @vicderbyshire. see you live at 10am, monday morning, bbc two and the bbc news channel. hello, there. we have got some very windy weather on the way, all down to the first named storm of the season to approach the british isles, storm atiyah. now, atiyah is this area of cloud you can see here on the satellite picture racing towards the british isles.
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if we look at the pressure pattern, that is the pressure in the isobars that causes the winds to blow in the first place and look how tightly squeezed together the isobars are approaching the south—west of ireland. this is a trough that will bring localised short lived ferocious gusts of wind. now, the irish forecasters out at met eireann have actually got a red weather warning out in force for the south—west of ireland where gusts of wind could reach in excess of 80 mph around exposed coasts and hills whereas here in the uk, the strongest winds come through overnight for wales, south—west of england, very windy for the west midlands for a time too, gusts reaching 65 to 75 mph. winds this strong are capable of bringing down some tree branches so there is a risk of some disruption to transport and perhaps power supplies as we head through sunday night and into monday as well. by monday, the low pressure system works right into the near continent. we get these cold northerly winds diving down across the uk. for most of us, weather—wise, it is dry and sunny
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but there will be some showers feeding in through the north channel, some of those could affect the north of wales and north—west england and there will be lots of showers in northern scotland, coming down the north sea to rub into eastern coastal areas of england, perhaps into norfolk. temperatures five to 10 degrees but factor in those strong northerly winds and it will feel bitter across eastern areas. talking about temperatures, through the rest of the week ahead it will be a week of roller—coaster temperatures, milder south—westerly winds interspersed by colder spells of north—westerly winds. the winds changing on a day by day basis. tuesday sees the south—westerly winds winning the battle, outbreaks of rain, heavy, pushing eastwards across the country are commonly present squally, gusty winds but it will be mild, temperatures are for most, ten to 12 degrees. for wednesday, it is a change in the wind direction and a change in the weather as well. cold north—westerly winds feed in, a day of sunshine and squally showers, the showers could be a bit wintry overly has grown scotland and perhaps the far north of england, with hail and thunder mixed
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in with some of these samples ——downpoors as well and a much cooler day, temperatures foremost between six and 9 degrees. that's your latest weather, bye—bye.
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as the final few days of campaigning get under way — the conservatives promise to introduce an australian—style points—based immigration system to control unskilled migration we want to bear down on migration, particularly on unskilled workers who have no job to come to. meanwhile labour set out their plans for social care if they win the election — offering free personal care for older people in england and an additional ten—billion—pounds offunding. i want social care available for everybody, all across the uk. lib dem leaderjo swinson, and snp leader nicola sturgeon have been out campaigning — as the parties drive home their key messages ahead
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of thursday's general election.


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