tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News February 10, 2020 10:00am-11:01am GMT
hello, it's monday, it's10am, i'm victoria derbyshire, and we're live from new broadcasting house. should this dad, who was born injamaica, came to the uk as 15—year—old boy, who's been here for 17 years, has five children a has just come out ofjail for possession with intent to supply drugs, be sent "back" to jamaica 7 here's our reporter shamaan freeman powell. howard ormsby is due to be deported to jamaica tomorrow as a foreign—born criminal on a special government flight. a judicial review could still stop the flight taking off. we'll talk to howard ormsby's partner sobrena miller. four more people have been diagnosed coronavirus in the uk, bringing the total to eight. this morning the virus has been declared a "serious and imminent
threat to public health", we'll talk to matt wraw, who's spent the last nine days in quarantine on the wirral. in an exclusive joint interview, we talk to the three black mps who were mis—captioned by three media organisations last week. it is really disappointing and quite upsetting, because obviously i'm a woman in my own right. i just felt as though, you know, as an individual, i'm visible, i'm here and i almost felt as though labelling me as my colleague and friend dawn, just felt as though they've categorised us all is just one grouping. and... parasite! cheering and applause. parasite has made oscars history, by becoming the first non—english language fim to win best picture. when i was young and studying cinema, there was a saying that i carved deep into my heart,
which is, "the most personal is the most creative". and that quote was from our great martin scorsese, so... hi, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. do get in touch regarding the stories we are talking about today. use the hashtag victorialive. email email@example.com. text 61124 — it'll cost the standard network rate. first, carrie has the news. four more patients in england have tested positive for coronavirus, bringing the total number of cases in the uk to eight. the announcement made in the last hour by england's chief medical officer follows a government statement this morning that the coronavirus outbreak poses "a serious and imminent threat to public health". people with the virus can now be forcibly quarantined, and two sites that are being used
to monitor british nationals flown back from china's wuhan province have been officially designated as isolation units. thousands of homes have been without power throughout the night, as storm ciara continues to cause disruption to rail and air travel. yesterday, ciara brought winds of more than 90 miles an hour and some areas had six weeks' worth of rain injust21i hours. today, more than 200 flood warnings remain in place, 150 of them in england. yellow weather warnings for snow, ice and wind are also in force for large parts of the uk. up to 50 uk residents are due to be deported tomorrow morning on a flight to jamaica. the deportation flight is for foreign—born offenders, but campaigners argue that most of the people due to be on board have been uk residents for decades and many are not serious criminals.
this morning, laywers represently a number of those affected have initiated proceedings for a judicial review. the home office says everyone on the flight has been guilty of a serious offence. a second day of counting is set to get under way ireland following what has been a historic general election result for sinn fein. the nationalist party secured more first—choice votes than either fine gael or fianna fail, which have led irish governments for decades. the prime minister, leo varadkar, said that once the final result was clear it could take months to negotiate a coalition. sinn fein described the result as as a "big statement of change". a new space probe has lifted off on its quest to study the sun from close quarters. the spacecraft — called solar orbiter — is a joint european space agency and nasa mission. it was assembled in the uk and is being described as, "the most significant uk investment in a space science mission
for a generation". the probe, protected with special heat shields, will study the inner workings of the sun to help us better understand it's affects here on earth. for the first time in the 92—year history of the oscars, a foreign—language film has won the best picture award. parasite! cheering and applause south korean film parasite beat the likes of british world war one epic 1917 and the joker. it also took best director for bong joon ho. renee zellwegger and joaquin phoenix received the main acting awards, while brad pitt was named best supporting actor. you are right up to date with the top stories. back to victoria for the rest of the programme. thank you. good morning, welcome to oui’ programme. should this dad who was born injamaica, came to the uk as 15—year—old boy, who's been here for 17 years, has five children aged three to 1a and has just come out ofjail for possession with intent
to supply class a drugs, be sent "back" to jamaica? that's what's due to happen to 32—year—old howard ormsby tomorrow morning on one of the government's deportation flights for foreign—born offenders. mr ormsby is one of upto 50 jamaican nationals being flown back — all of whom have criminal convictions. however, campaigners say most of the people on the flight have been uk residents for decades, and that many of them are not serious criminals and should be allowed to stay. lawyers for some of them have told us that today they're launching a judicial review, to try to stop that flight taking off. the home office says.. our reporter shamaan freeman—powell is here. so, tell us more about this
particular deportation flight. lawyers say between 28 and 50 people could potentially be on this flight tomorrow. as you said in your introduction, the government says these include people that have been convicted of manslaughter, rape and dealing class a drugs and have served more than a year in prison, so served more than a year in prison, so it means they reach the threshold for deportation. but this morning, duncan lewis, lawyers who represent a large number of the passengers, told me they are launching judicial review proceedings this morning, on the basis that some of the people on the basis that some of the people on the flight, potential victims of trafficking in people who have been groomed as children by gangs, particularly gangs operating county line networks across country. they said they informed the home office on friday about a person at risk of self—harm and that person had since been taken does patel after an attempt to take their life. there basically echoes what family members have told me at a protest on
thursday, where scores of people had shut down the road outside downing street. it was very clear that member of the jamaican community in particular feel targeted. they say that especially after windrush scandal, that it is yet another example of the government's hostile environment policies. they argue some of the passengers are not guilty of violent crimes and have beenin guilty of violent crimes and have been in the uk since children, so deporting them would be separating them from their loved ones and family members and lives they have built here. they also claim this is disproportionate for the crimes they have already served time for. you mentioned the windrush scandal. how is this linked to that, potentially? the windrush is a phrase we used to describe roughly 5000 people that came from caribbean countries to the uk between the years of 1948—1971. they were granted indefinite leave to remain that changes to immigration laws in 2012 meant that those who arrived as children,
usually without their own documents, find themselves unable to prove their status. so some of them are then held in detention centres and remove despite having lived in the ukfor remove despite having lived in the uk for decades. the home office then commissioned a review into the scandal lastjune, which is yet to be published, but lea ked which is yet to be published, but leaked copies of the report shows that it says the government should consider ending all deportations of oui’ consider ending all deportations of our national criminals where they arrived in the uk as children, under the age of 13 or so. so campaigners argue the government is going against recommendations of this review and until the government publish it they should chart of flights to jamaica. hundred and 70 mps from different parties last night signed a letter to the prime minister also calling for the flight to be stopped until the review is published. the letter asks if the government can guarantee the safety of the individuals who are going to
be deported. it's worth mentioning some of the detainees have also expressed fear for their own lives if they are indeed deported. they say that due to the high crime rates injamaica at say that due to the high crime rates in jamaica at the say that due to the high crime rates injamaica at the moment and the lack of support when they get out there, it could seriously be bad for them. lazio, the guardian reported five people had been killed in jamaica after being deported from the uk. what else has the home office said? the government told us it's acting in accordance with the law and its priority is to keep the british public say. it says that thatis british public say. it says that that is why foreign nationals who abuse our hospitality by committing crimes should be no doubt of our determination to deport them. it added that more than 51,000 of what they term foreign national offenders have been removed from the uk since 2010. it says no one on this flight is british or was born in the uk are there legal representations made by them are carefully considered. but asi them are carefully considered. but as i said earlier, duncan lewis, the
law firm representing some of these individuals, said in a statement today without a proper review of all those who face being deported on tuesday, we simply do not know how many of those on board have argued book claims to remain in the uk. thank you. we can now talk to someone in detention and is due to be on that ﬂight detention and is due to be on that flight tomorrow, howard ormsby. can you hear me ok? yes, i can hear you. thank you for talking to us. i want to ask you first of all, what do you think about the fact that you are due to be on this flight to be deported to jamaica at 6:30 tomorrow? i think it's harsh, deported to jamaica at 6:30 tomorrow? ithink it's harsh, isn't it? i came here at the age of 15 with my sister, my older sister. i've been here basically 18 years of my life. i don't knowjamaica. they
are trying to make it seem like i do. you will know that the home office says the reason you are being sent back to jamaica, where you were born is because you, quote, have abused british hospitality. you have committed a crime they deem so serious that you have to be sent away from britain. yeah, i've never tried to deny the fact that i made a mistake but everyone has the right to right their wrongs. everyone should get a second chance. i have all my family here, no family in jamaica. my mum, my sister, my brothers are here. everyone i know is here. everyone who is not here is in america. it seems weird you are trying to set me back to a country i do not know. i have spent most of my life here. came here from 15 and now iam 32. i
life here. came here from 15 and now i am 32. i don't really... it's not like i've come here for manslaughter 01’ like i've come here for manslaughter or anything like that. yes, i tried to do some things that i'm not very proud of and i've learned my lesson andi proud of and i've learned my lesson and i am trying to right my wrongs. since i came out on the 23rd of december, i've been trying to be better, not just for me december, i've been trying to be better, notjust for me but for my kids and fiance as well. it's just weird that a lot of people are here with kids and they are trying to send them back to a place they don't know. a lot of us here, me in particular, i can't go back to jamaica because of gang violence and stuff. as a youngster, they were trying to recruit me into a gang and so trying to recruit me into a gang and so far. i know for a fact if i went to jamaica, so far. i know for a fact if i went tojamaica, i so far. i know for a fact if i went to jamaica, i wouldn't live to see another day. you are saying if you are sent to jamaica you will be killed? yes, very much so. you were jailed for 18 months after being
convicted for possession with intent to supply class a drugs. i don't know if that was heroin, cocaine, crack cocaine. yes. why did you do that? i guess it wasjust crack cocaine. yes. why did you do that? i guess it was just trying to... trying to provide for my habits. at the time, i was smoking as well. it wasn'tjust habits. at the time, i was smoking as well. it wasn't just to habits. at the time, i was smoking as well. it wasn'tjust to have money, it was to support my habit as well. sorry... i was money, it was to support my habit as well. sorry... iwas using money, it was to support my habit as well. sorry... i was using at the time, as well. what were you using if you don't mind me asking? crack. 0k. if you don't mind me asking? crack. ok. but since i've been in prison, i have tried to change and tried to turn over a new leaf but it seems like i'm not getting the chance to do that. you understand? the government say look, you have to be on that flight because they need to keep the british public say from
people like yourself. what do you say? people like yourself. what do you 7 i people like yourself. what do you say? i don't i've done anything that people need to be scared of me about. i admit the fact i've done something wrong. i wouldn't turn to anyone and said no, i haven't done this. i admit i have, anyone and said no, i haven't done this. iadmit i have, i've anyone and said no, i haven't done this. i admit i have, i've done something wrong. but i've served my time, i've paid my debt to society so time, i've paid my debt to society soi time, i've paid my debt to society so i should have the opportunity to try to be better, in the country i consider home. i've been here from 15 and i've spent 18 years here in this country. i came here from 2002. i don't even know what side of the road cars drive on injamaica. i don't even know what side of the road cars drive on in jamaica. you have five children, how they cope? they are aged between three and 1a, how they cope without you? they are aged between three and 1a, how they cope without you ?|j they are aged between three and 1a, how they cope without you? i have no clue. even in the home office, they are saying i can go back to jamaica,
my family are saying i can go back to jamaica, myfamily can are saying i can go back to jamaica, my family can come there with me, like relocated. if i cannot guarantee my own safety, how can i guarantee my own safety, how can i guarantee my own safety, how can i guarantee my kids' safety and my fiance's safety? it doesn't make sense. you are basically forcing people to go back, you understand? i really can't wrap my head around it. i shouldn't even be in a detention centre. my sentence finished in december 17th, came out six days after. then you take me away from my kids. what kind of mental strain does that due to two young boys? it's like you are playing with their emotions by letting me out, be with them for a whole month, then i went to the police station and then... i'm going to bring in your partner.
thank you for speaking to us live from the detention centre as you await that ﬂight detention centre as you await that flight there is a judicial review which has been launched. lawyers and campaigners hope to halt the take—off of that flight tomorrow morning at 6:30. sobrena miller is howard's partner. they've been together for ten years, they have two children, and live in peterborough, and karen doyle is from campaign group movement forjustice and is supporting families of those who are being deported. sobrena how would you cope without your partner and the father of your two young boys? i don't think about that because thinking about how i'm going to cope will be impossible. i have... inaudible has autism. he has learning difficulties hearing problems. inaudible expect me to look after two children on my own with no dad? inaudible
do you know what, i'm going to pause and we will try to redial you because the facetime or skype is cutting out. i definitely want to hear from you. let me cutting out. i definitely want to hearfrom you. let me bring in karen doyle from the movement forjustice. convicted criminals, not born in britain, not british, why should they be allowed to stay here? britain, not british, why should they be allowed to stay here ?|j think if the notion ofjustice means anything, they have all been given a sentence can is meant to write with their crime. they have said that sentence, most of them have served an additional sentence in immigration detention. many came as children and if you have a piece of paper that says you are a british citizen, you get a second chance in life that these detainees are not getting a second chance. i think thatis getting a second chance. i think that is a problem. it's a triple punishment. do you want the rapists and murderers to stay as well?|j think and murderers to stay as well?” think every case has to be considered individually. what you
think about people who are rapists or murderers and due to be on this right? i think a justice system should providejustice. ithink every case should be considered individually in each one of those headline convictions contains an individual‘s story. for example, the young man who came here at two years old, never been back to jamaica, spent most of his childhood in the british care system in british care homes. they never sorted out his british citizenship. a troubled young man who went on to commit serious crimes. those were british crimes, not jamaican crimes. serious crimes. those were british crimes, notjamaican crimes. why should he be sent back to a country that he has never known? sobrena i think is back with us. can you hear me ok? yes, i can, can you hear me? ican, thank me ok? yes, i can, can you hear me? i can, thank you. you are telling us how you and your children would cope if your partner is on this flight which is due to take off tomorrow morning. i don't want to start getting emotional. my kids, they've
known their dad since they've been born. howard has always been... inaudible can you hear me? yes, it does keep cutting out but you persist, sobrena. know their dad. howard has beena sobrena. know their dad. howard has been a great dad. he is there for them with everything. inaudible doesn't know and i will be left as a single parent. how is that fair? inaudible the technicals are still poor but to absolutely hear your message. how is itfairto your absolutely hear your message. how is it fair to your boys and yourself being left? i'm going to pause there. i am so sorry about the technical problems, apologies to our audience. karen, howard ormsby is one of those you think should be able to stay in britain? he is. i think we need to remember there are over a0 of the people we are in touch with, we are in touch with 20,
there are over british children who could wake up on wednesday without their father, never seeing their father again. that is a huge problem and something we should be concerned about. also the nature of these charter flights. we are certain to deny charter flights. we are certain to d e ny a ccess charter flights. we are certain to deny access to justice because people are given five days' notice ofa people are given five days' notice of a flight and they are detained without access to a working phone network so that they can contact solicitors. i spoke to someone yesterday who is due on the flight who hasn't been able to contact a solicitor, that isn't represented. how is this fair on just every case should be considered individually and the chartered flights and of themselves are unjust. of those people who are to be deported were on the status of short leave to remain, where they have to reapply every three years. they must know that if they break the law, that will be injeopardy? this that if they break the law, that will be in jeopardy? this is one of the problems. there are hundreds and
thousands of families across this country who every three years shell out 3— country who every three years shell out 3- £a000 to country who every three years shell out 3— £a000 to solicitors to renew the status of them and their family. these are families who are working here, living here, contributing to their society, who every three years have to go through this hell. i can't save up for holidays or do the things most people can do. even more reason not to commit a crime, then. life is difficult and people have all sorts of... the criminaljustice system, the lambie review, talked about the disparity in sentencing with black offenders, they stop and search. the poverty and access to mental health services for young people is being crushed in this country. so these are british problems and the people who have been here since they were children and the people... the next generation of children are potentially left without fathers. that needs to be considered. all of these people have served their time.
just a couple of messages for now. thank you, karen. dave said, the british government have always seen as black generations as criminals and drug pushers. otherforeign nationalities do these crimes and stay in the uk. martin says, if you commita stay in the uk. martin says, if you commit a crime in britain and you are not from britain, deportation should be immediate. repercussions if they are sent back... don't break our laws. if they have been here so long, they know they are breaking our laws. it makes no difference at all if they have children, that is justice. it is tough. get in touch this morning. you can message us on twitter or e—mail us. thank you for coming on the programme, we appreciate it. we talked to three mps who were mis—labelled by three media organisations last week. one of them says it is racial bias. and history is made as a subtitled film wins best oscar for the first time ever.
we will talk about the highlights of the show and who we re were the best and worst dressed. the uk government has this morning said the new coronavirus is a "serious and imminent threat to public health", meaning they'll have the legal powers to forcibly quarantine people in order to try to stop it spreading. there are now eight people with the virus here in the uk. outside the country, seven brits have been confirmed to have the virus — five in france, one injapan and one in spain. yesterday, the final evacuation flight from wuhan arrived in the uk, carrying 200 british and foreign nationals. they'll now be in quarantine at a conference centre in milton keynes for two weeks. matt raw was on the previous flight back from wuhan and has been in quarantine at wirral‘s arrowe park hospital for the last nine days. muhammad abu bakar is a student at a university in hubei in central china — about 125 miles from the centre of the outbreak in wuhan — and is also currently in quarantine.
and dr philippe klein, a french doctor who has been working in wuhan. if we can start with you, doctor. tell our british audience how hard you are working to stop the spread of the virus. hello from wuhan. the wuhan authorities and the chinese authorities are trying to contain the epidemic and the measures have been greatly increased since yesterday at 5pm. we had the vice prime minister of china now in wuhan. since 5pm, all of the suspected patients have to be characterised as positive or negative. so if you are positive and
if you have mild symptoms, then you have to be retained in a stadium. if you are positive and you have to go to hospital, and you are having contact with positive patients can be have to be retained in a hotel. and what about the conditions you and your colleagues are working on, how difficult are they? the conditions are, of course, really difficult for the medical team. you understand that now we had three crazy weeks. now all the medical teams are retained in the hospital. they are living in the hospital because they are contact people, giving care to positive patients. they live in the hospital. for example, in my hospital, it is a 16
level hospital, so there are 11 floors dedicated to hospitalisation of the patients and five floors as a hotel for the medical team. of the patients and five floors as a hotelfor the medicalteam. matt, we saw this final evacuation flight coming yesterday from wuhan. those british nationals are in quarantine in milton keynes, you have been the nine days on the wirral, what can they expect? hopefully, if milton keynes is or anything like it is to come yesterday we were given a lovely sunday roast dinner and we have been given all the essentials we need to look after our mental well—being. we need to look after our mental well— being. there are we need to look after our mental well—being. there are all sorts of games available. we have tvs, we have access to the internet, netflix. all these different things that are actually available to us do help to make this feel not like we
are stuck in quarantine but very much that we are almost on holiday, if you like. so it's very important to take care of our mental health. thank you. mohammed, you have been in quarantine in your room at university, miles away from wuhan, why are you in quarantine? firstly, thank you for inviting me to your programme. just 200 kilometres from wuhan and we have been quarantined from the 1st of february. it is ten days past that we have been here. and are you, how worried are you feeling? obviously it is the worst pa rt feeling? obviously it is the worst part in our lives because we have a shortage of food and water and we have become panicked of this
horrible disease, the worst experience of our life. do you have any idea how long you will be stuck in your room on the university campus? no. we don't have any idea about this because theyjust told us that they have separated us from other people. we don't have any contact with them. maybe make us infection of some disease like this. we don't have any idea when we will leave these quarantine conditions.” am really sorry to hear that. thank you so much for talking to our british audience. thank you all for joining us, we appreciate your time. our health reporter michelle roberts is here, what is the latest in this country? we are hearing out of the 800 or so tests that have been done on uk nationals, eight are now positive. so there is additional
four we are hearing about, they caught the virus, it appears, in france. they seem to be linked to a previous known case. the businessman who came back from singapore? presumably. patient confidentiality means we cannot talk about who exactly the individuals are. it's reported it was that guy who came back and went to the alps. and we know it's not it is a contact within the uk that the infection has happened. it is still important to self isolate if you do think you may have been in contact with somebody who could have this virus, if you have recent travel history. don't walk into a&e, don't visit your gp, call the nhs111, ask walk into a&e, don't visit your gp, call the nhs 111, ask for walk into a&e, don't visit your gp, call the nhs111, ask for advice walk into a&e, don't visit your gp, call the nhs 111, ask for advice and get tested. thank you, michelle. michelle roberts, our health reporter. this is the labour mp from brent
central, don butler, shadow minister for women and equalities. this is labourmpfor for women and equalities. this is labour mp for streatham. shadow immigration minister. last week three emmy —— organisations mislabelled each of them on bbc parliament, marcia was called don butler. i just parliament, marcia was called don butler. ijust want parliament, marcia was called don butler. i just want to take her back again, the builder is any guarantees to protect us against undermining food standards here. so the builders, sorry, the secretary of state ‘s manifesto may have said this but the bill does not so will she give us some cast—iron guarantees that the bill will include these standards? then, in an article about the bbc ‘s mistake the evening standard online edition published a picture of a third black female labour mp, mistakenly claiming it was to accord over. they blamed a wrongly captioned photo
provided by getty images, the main supplier of editorial images to british news outlets. all three organisations have apologised. it stuck to the mp5. this is a joint exclusive interview. thanks very much for coming on the programme, you are smiling now but i wonder, marcia, when you first realised you had been mislabelled on bbc parliament how did it make you feel? i certainly wasn't smiling, for me, it was really disappointing and quite upsetting. because obviously i ama quite upsetting. because obviously i am a woman in my own right. ifelt as though there is an individual i am visible, here, and it felt as though labelling me as my colleague and friend dawn just felt as though they had categorised us all as one grouping, a black female mp and they chose to use a caption for her and not me. it was disappointing and i felt quite upset by the whole thing.
even though it was very swiftly corrected. it was, but you know, it should not have happened in the first place, should it? that is the thing, it should not have happened in the first place. also, because m ista kes in the first place. also, because mistakes like this have happened at the bbc previously, so they've got a bit of form on it that's what makes it more worrying and concerning. that's when you start to think about whether or not this organisation really ta kes whether or not this organisation really takes diversity seriously. don, how did it make you feel? i feel a sense of responsibility, i came into parliament in 2005 and people can tell myself apart from diane abbott. —— dawn. ithought over a decade later, when black women like marcia or bell, african caribbean women, they have to work ha rd caribbean women, they have to work hard and they deserve to be recognised for who they are. marcia gave a speech in parliament that she had written, to be labelled as me, it happens quite regularly,
sometimes we laugh about it but i say, it's not about making a mistake, it's about making the effort, if you haven't got anybody in your newsroom who can tell us apart and know that we are different, you need to have someone in your newsroom who can. everybody has a bias, maybe some people cannot tell us apart, we are wearing the same colour! many cannot tell us apart but some people can so have someone apart but some people can so have someone in the room who can tell us apart, this happens way too often. it's not the first time we've been mixed up and when we were launching the general election campaign in november last year, a presenter mistakenly described me as dawn butler and if he'd done research himself, he would have understood who i was. marcia, the evening standard when writing up the story about the bbc error showed a picture of jam—packed too. in about the bbc error showed a picture ofjam—packed too. in the morning you are dawn, in the afternoon you we re you are dawn, in the afternoon you were belle how do you react?
it's quite disrespectful, i am a new mp, if no one knows who i am that's 0k mp, if no one knows who i am that's ok but dawn and marcia have been mps for some time and they've had portfolios, lots of very important things to say and i would expect people to know exactly who they are. there are a number of white male mps in parliament, some of them have the same name or similar sounding names, it's very rare for them to get mixed up. although that has happened, a couple of sm p politicians, surname thomson were mixed up. as dawn said, it happens to us lots more. and it happens in situations that won't really make sense. we don't have the same surname. really make sense. we don't have the same surname. we've got mps called thomson, did you say? got the same surname, thomson, did you say? got the same surname, that is easier to mix up, situation there are loads of white men, you might mix them up, there are less of us, you would expect us to be more distinctive but
apparently, we are not. let me give you another example, involving white female mps, two of your colleagues in fact. holly lynch and kat smith. i think we can show you this. we can show you this what do you think of that?” what do you think of that? i think it's unacceptable that anybody gets mixed up, they were pregnant at almost the same time. they thought it was quite comical. but the thing is, the bbc has to do better. it's our public service broadcaster, needs to do better, there was a time we used to go to the bbc for news, now we are fact checking with the bbc says and i think the bbc has to doa bbc says and i think the bbc has to do a lot better. you know, victoria, your show, they are scrubbing your show and i think actually, you've done a lot of good work, exposing lots of the stories that we've
spoken about. really important for the country and fires the bbc is grabbing your show? personally i think they should scrap question time but we are not here to talk about that. there's lots of things the bbc need to do better and i think diversity is key and i don't think diversity is key and i don't think they had the diversity they need to. the bbc say you can see an economic decision in terms of the plan to close our programme. people who look like us on the show, and as farasi who look like us on the show, and as far as i know, less likely to confuse us! can i ask, given the example there kat smith and holly lynch, is what is happening to you racism? if you cannot distinguish between people because they are of the same race, i think that has to question how you view our speakers definitely, it happens to asian women mps frequently. could it be human error, production staff under a lot of pressure? there could be an element of that, but again, the bbc
have had form on this and you think about one of the greatest basketball players to ever live who passed away on the 26th ofjanuary. kobe bryant. the bbc made the error in using a photo of another famous basketball player, what do you call that, this is one of the most men to ever have played basketball, lebron james, can't even get that right. what do you call that? there is a racial bias there, it's really important, la st bias there, it's really important, last week, when it happened to me, obviously it was really disappointing and upsetting for me. when the bbc contacted me to apologise, rightly so, apology accepted. but then it was also using the same thing to complain about the attacks on social media. actually, that's not my problem, that's a problem that the bbc need to address for themselves. what do you mean, sorry? what do you mean? based on the reaction to both myself and dawn
received on social media last week. you know, ithink received on social media last week. you know, i think there received on social media last week. you know, ithink there has received on social media last week. you know, i think there has to be a level of responsibility that the organisation here at the bbc and other media outlets must take responsibility for, in ensuring that their newsrooms and also behind the camera is so much more represented of communities and society and i think we all know at the moment it's not the case. the thing is this, if it happens more than once and you know there is an issue, the question is what are you doing to correct that issue? stakes happen, if the same mistake happens over and over again, whatare same mistake happens over and over again, what are you doing to correct that mistake? in between that mistake, what are the other checks and effort you are making, it's not about the mistake, what is the effort you are making and there is bias, there is a bias all through the media. system when it comes to people of colour, especially african caribbean people. marcia, you use the phrase racial bias, i wanted to ask you where this kind of
mislabelling to describe it as wanting a racial bias, to describe it as another, where it comes in terms of the racism that you have faced in your lives, where would you say? i suppose for me, i always say this, because i am visually impaired and i've had to overcome significant barriers with my disability and that's always been my biggest challenge in life, to be fair, and i continue to face all of those barriers and challenges now, so racism has always been there but i've always had to be fighting for disability rights, more so than for more, better recognition? recognition around the colour of my skin, it's my disability that's held me back more six to hold me back more because of the institutional problems that disabled people face. sure. well, you said you recently elected mp, in terms of being a
black female mp, what's it like? it's as if it were just one homogenous group! these ladies are great. i have to have almost an extra responsibility, ifi great. i have to have almost an extra responsibility, if i mess up, i... myaunt extra responsibility, if i mess up, i... my aunt had extra responsibility, if i mess up, i... myaunt hada extra responsibility, if i mess up, i... my aunt had a really real situation, someone came up to her at work and was literally giving her a telling off for something that another black woman did. it's that type of thing. if we are seen as just one homogenous group, its added pressure, we can't make mistakes, it affects everybody. let me ask you more about the deportation flights, i know dawn and marcia, some of your constituents are due to leave this ﬂight constituents are due to leave this flight leaving at 630 tomorrow, the government says it's a flight deporting foreign criminals including the home offices, people have been convicted of rape, manslaughter, possessing class a drugs. you want the flight stopped. why? my constituent is on that
ﬂight. why? my constituent is on that flight. he got done under the joint enterprise which is now unlawful. when he was 19. he has been in the country since he just turned 11 yea rs country since he just turned 11 years old. he came from jamaica to britain at the age of 11? he's got no surviving family injamaica. he has a wife and a six—month—old child here, she's absolutely distraught, he's got a heart condition that's undiagnosed, they had a monitor on that at they have taken the monitor away. he passes out, she doesn't know whether the stress of this is going to basically kill him. and i just think when did we become that country? the lessons learned review has not been published. this is after the windrush scandal, lessons learned review. leaked copy seen by my colleagues on bbc newsnight which recommends that all deportation flights should be halted. particularly when it comes to children who came here under the age
of 13. i agree, i think they should be halted, my constituent came here when he was five. there is nothing to say he didn't do something wrong, i'm not saying he hasn't done anything wrong but i think we've had the windrush scandal, which was a scandal, we can all agree and admit to that, there is this report that was leaked, when is this report going to be published? why are we not halting this flight until all of those recommendations are fully implemented? that to me just seems sensible and a real common—sense approach. the government has to stop this hostile environment in the way they treat people. we need to look at the length of their sentences. the losses if you had a custodial sentence of a certain length of time that's what means you should be deported. —— the lord says. if you are black, you are likely to get a lengthier sentence, someone there who i think was done for £30 worth of class a drugs, possession of.
it's very rich for us to say he should have done the amount of time he did and then be deported. the government says all those on the ﬂight had government says all those on the flight had passed the threshold in terms of length of jail flight had passed the threshold in terms of length ofjail sentence, that's why. two months. it means they are not being honest. thank you all very much for coming on the programme, we appreciate it, thank you for your time this morning. let's talk about storm ciara and the damage those 97mph winds caused. let's talk tojon and mary duerden in hebden bridge, where their hardware store was flooded out. mark tewkesbury was in command of an rnli lifeboat that almost capsized off the hastings coast. mark, you were on the boat, tell us what it was like. essentially we we re what it was like. essentially we were trying to come ashore. the waves we re
were trying to come ashore. the waves were so rough it was causing lots of white water which means air comes into and makes it difficult to have power. we were losing power and had to abort the landing. make the turn to get us into safe water. as we did that, unfortunately we were caught broadside by quite a hefty wave as everyone has seen. wave as everyone has seen. absolutely. what was that like for you, describe it? most of us have no idea what that feels like. no, to be fair, neither do we. as a group we can talk theory on how to deal with that situation. but the practicality doesn't happen. it's only in that real—life situation, you cannot practice that. it's fair to say we knew what to expect, we knew how the boat was going to react, everybody kept their role and worked very well to get us back out of the situation. well done you, honestly, it looked petrifying. i'm going to bring in john and mary in hebden bridge, a
hardware store was flooded. hello, mary. how are you? ok, thanks. i bet you are not really. we've got pictures of your flooded business. we are not actually in hebden bridge. that is very important. that is very important and i apologise, how bad is it for the business and when can you get back up and running? we are not, this is this is the third time in as many years, i this is the third time in as many years, lam this is the third time in as many years, i am not going through it again. it's notjust a little bit of again. it's notjust a little bit of a mess, it's the building itself needs lot of work on it. we can't do it again. so that's it? no more of your business? no, we've been at it for 31 years. john is in his 70s now, i am in my 60s, we cannot keep doing this. we have put
up cannot keep doing this. we have put up with the vba doing the work for three years, traffic lights, it's been for absolutely nothing. they spent millions. wasted millions. i'd like to know where the environment agency is. we have seen nobody today at all, nobody has been around. the siren did not go off, the flood siren. yes, it's been, it's clearly been a bit of a nightmare for you, i'm sad to hear you are calling it a day but i totally understand why, i totally understand. yes, well done for your 31 years in the business. well done, john. it's sad. thank you mary. thank you for your time. and mark, thank you for your time as well. from the rnli. let's talk about last night's oscars with our corrrespondent sophie long. south korean film parasite made
oscars history by becoming the first non—english language film to take best picture. yes, so what a shock that was. it was all going in quite a predictable way, all those people who had been the favourites to get the big acting awards claimed them and then, right at the end of the night, there was not only the best director award that went to bong joon—ho but also best picture as well. now, it's only the 12th foreign language film ever to be nominated for best picture. none of them have ever won once, so he really made history tonight. a massive night for parasite. joker went into the night favour, with 11 nominations. it took home just two and parasite went home with four oscars this evening. now, the director, bong joon—ho we've seen come in and out of this party tonight. we thought they might be having a separate party elsewhere, but he has been in, along with many of the other oscar winners this evening. they are all at this vanity fair party behind me. the legendary place where people come and celebrate their oscar wins.
you said it was going in predictable fashion and, in fact, the winner of the best actor and best actress categories were the people we expected to take those awards? yeah, that's right, victoria. joaquin phoenix, he took best actor for his intensely physical role in joker. that, of course, was hotly tipped, everyone expected him to do that. there was a real buzz aboutjoker as we came up to the awards season and renee zellweger, really no one's come near her this whole awards season. she has been sitting pretty, really, for her portrayal ofjudy garland. great wins for them. both of them took to the stage and made quite political speeches, actually. joaquin phoenix talked about animal rights and also our relationship with the planet. so, a real political speech from him, as would be expected, that's quite predictable, as well. he has finished other award ceremonies instead of going to parties, he's gone on protests still in his tux. so that is kind of the norm from joaquin. he is also in the party behind. just when we thought things were dying down a little earlier,
rene zellweger turned up and joaquin phoenix, as well. so they are in there, along with lots of other oscar winners, partying the night away and well they should. quite a night for both of those two. i am going to ask you about the clothes because there were some incredible outfits, as there always are. and yours is amongst them, sophie long! sophie chuckles. thank you, that's very sweet! i know, isn't it amazing? oscar season, really the red carpet turns into one of the biggest catwalks in the world. it's hard to run through them now and the other problem from my point of view is lots of people go in one dress to the award ceremony itself and by the time they turn up here at the vanity fair party, they're in a completely different, even more amazing outfit. sandra oh looked amazing tonight. she was wearing a peach or pale colour in the ceremony itself and by the time she came here, she was in silver and black. spike lee we also spoke to this evening. he was wearing a gold and purple jacket tonight, that a tribute to kobe bryant —
those are the la lakers colours. kobe bryant, the basketball player tragically killed just over a week ago here in los angeles. so, a tribute to him. six out of ten people with hiv who are over the age of 50 are being diagnosed late, this programme has learnt meaning it's already started to damage their immune system. even though hiv diagnosis rates are declining overall, they're increasing faster in older people than any other age group. rachel stonehouse made this film for us, and inside out west. the majority of us all believe we are invincible and that it will never happen to us. i saw the doctor and he said, "you will have to tell me about hiv, because i don't know anything about it". if you are late diagnosed and over 50, it will take a lot longer to recover.
when you think of sexually transmitted infections, you probably think of young people and not the over—505. but figures show stis are increasing in older people, with hiv rates rising faster in the over—50s than any other age group, sometimes with long—lasting consequences. in the heat of the moment, you don't think logically. all the chance of safe sex goes out the window. ashley was diagnosed with hiv a couple of years ago after having unprotected sex in their 50s. ashley had been feeling unwell for some time and had no idea what was causing it. so, i went to the doctor and he had done all the blood tests. "there is nothing wrong with you". then i got the shingles, and that went on for 18 months or so. so i went to the doctor's again and she said, "you've got appendicitis, have some co—codamol". two or three days later, i went to the doctor again, and my appendix had gone from that
to that, and that was the result of the hiv. that's how bad, like, diagnosis is for you, it's pretty much touch and go. so, you're lucky you are alive? lucky to get through that, yeah. did you ever consider that you might have hiv? no, no. they did a lot more blood tests and still nothing came up. they said, "there's nothing wrong with you, you've had a virus", not knowing that i'd still got the biggest virus you could possibly get. health professionals that you were dealing with didn't consider that you might have hiv either? no, they didn't, no. i saw the doctor and he said, "you will have to tell me about hiv, because i don't know anything about it". over—50s, people who have come out of divorce or marriage, who think they are safe, but they are not safe. you know, they are coming out and they are mucking about, finding new partners, and because nobody can get pregnant any more, there is no danger.
you know? because those illnesses are for young people, but they are not, they're for everybody. online dating for the over—50s is a booming market, making it easier than ever to meet a new partner later in life. but it can also mean people end up with more than they bargained for. public health england figures show that stis in older people have increased by around a third in the last five years. so, why is this happening specifically in this age group? one of the reasons is that they don't perceive themselves at risk, rachel, and they think that they are ok, that they haven't got an infection, or the other person that they are having a sexual relationship with looks nice, or looks clean, looks tidy, and they don't perceive a risk in themselves, and therefore they think they are safe and that they do not need to use a condom. when it comes to hiv, what are the statistics showing with people over a certain age? older people, for example, are at higher risk of getting hiv
at a late diagnosis stage, and it is really important that we get people tested as quickly as possible, because the earlier they start treatment, the better the outcomes for them. and getting hiv at a late stage does increase your chances of complications. we need to make sure that health care professionals are aware of the indicators for hiv and we can make sure that people are getting tested. many people remember the aids campaigns from the 1980s, when the message was incredibly stark. since then, treatment for people with hiv and aids has vastly improved, but six out of ten over—50s with hiv have a late diagnosis, meaning the virus has already started to damage the immune system by the time it is detected. the charity, age uk, is running a campaign to raise awareness and break down the stigma. we were made aware by our colleagues in public health that every other age group, the rates of diagnosis are going down, but with over—505,
it is actually increasing. i didn't think hiv was a risk! because you are in a new relationship, i would suggest blood tests for both hiv and syphilis infection. hiv never occurred to me in my age group, so... i mean, i'm in my 50s, but it never occurred to me. yeah. so, i was shocked to hear these facts. i never thought about hiv and the elderly at all, actually. so it is a bit of an eye—opener today. cos it's a bit of a stigma, particularly because of what we were told in the '80s. it was so, sort of like a death sentence, and people are frightened to talk about it. so i think it is healthy to get it out there and have big groups like this... as a mother, i was too busy concentrating on making sure my children were safe, so all my focus went onto them. but it never occurred to me to think the same. i have great days and a few now and again not so great. but i can live with that.
karen norton is 63 and contracted hiv in africa a number of years ago. but it took her a long time to open up about her diagnosis. when you first learn about this illness, you feel as if you are carrying a dirty secret that you have to hide. you can't talk about it, you can't tell anyone, because you will be judged. and if you have unprotected sex, then it can happen to you, you know? and i am a living example. do you think that health professionals, even, don't always understand hiv and how it affects people? professionals, they sort of assume that an over 50—year—old wouldn't have this illness. it is an assumption that i think is generally something we all make about over 50—year—olds. you don't really like to think
of your mother or father, even, having this, but it is so possible and it needs to be detected and treated as quickly as possible. if it is not detected quickly, the effects of late diagnosis can be devastating, and in the worst cases, shorten life expectancy. it is something ashley has struggled to deal with. well, i didn't mind being hiv positive, and i don't mind it at all, but it was just... like i say, it wasjust that delay that they didn't find it, and it was so long that i got... and the damage done to my body, i do feel a little bit bitter about. earthly ending that report from rachel. on the deportation flight on texture says the government is right to deport these criminals, do the
crime, do the time. lee says they've already been three races, justice system and even now it won't leave them alone. thank you for your time tomorrow. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. good morning. storm ciara moving away from our shores, flooding still valid around the uk, colder, brisk north—westerly wind, blowing some showers are way, some of the shower is falling as snow, especially over the higher ground of scotland, northern ireland and north west england. some strong gusts of wind, towards the south coast, gusting here 60—70 miles an hour, some of the rain showers merging together to form longer spells of rain, feeling colder, lot of added winchell. perhaps a scattering of snow across northern england, scotland, perhaps down into the midlands as we head through tuesday. for most of the southern half of the uk, it will be dry, some sunshine around, we keep
strong, blustery winds, the risk of drifting snow and some blizzards in the north. you're watching bbc newsroom live. it's11am, and these are the main stories this morning: the number of people infected by the coronavirus in the uk doubles to eight — as the government announces new powers to keep people in quarantine. dozens of flood warnings remain in place — after storm ciara batters britain. strong winds and further heavy rain are forecast. this year's oscars sees the south korean film parasite become the first non—english language film ever to snatch the best picture title. after sinn fein's election surge — irish prime minister leo varadkar says coalition talks will be complicated. a european spacecraft blasts off from florida — on a mission to take the closest—ever photos of the sun.