this is bbc news. we will have the headlines and the main news stories for you at the top of the hour, straight after this programme. laura and chris, on the last episode, i managed to combine a news story about when is the ideal bedtime with some free market research from newscasters about when they listen to this podcast! smart. and for a man who gets up very early, it's an important thing for you to tap into. we have had enough of that already this week! what we have done is newscasters e—mailed
in in literally their tens, we have had loads of e—mails about this! and we have been able to do an initial bit of analysis about when people listen to the podcast and how it fits around their bedtime ortheirwaking up. shall we see what the analysis says? i would love to see it. can we be clear we are using that term loosely? incredibly loosely! let's see. yes, this isjust a sort of sample of the e—mails, it is not scientific analysis! and also, we have a cheap and cheerful bar chart for tv viewers to understand. people listening to the podcast, you willjust have to write it down on a piece of paper! early morning, 50%. before bed, 26%. what else? while walking the dog, 10%. i knew that would be a big scorer. yes. others, including sleepless nights, commuting, exercising and getting a covid test, 14%!
gosh, the poor nurse or whoever else is doing the covid test and you don't even take your headphones out! yeah, or on a speaker, that's even worse! having adam blathering on! and also gagging or your eyes watering as a result of listening to us! which may happen even for those not getting a covid test! and it's notjust a quantative, quantitative, i can't even say it, exercise, this analysis commissioned by professor fleming. we have also had some e—mails from newscasters. jessica says, about 10:10, that is her time to listen. probably when you are just finishing on the news. it is just after the lead sequence on the ten o'clock news, excellent, iapprove. good timing, jessica. that is when she goes to bed. "the trouble is, i go to sleep almost at once." that's the effect you have, adam! "so i have to start again when i wake during the night. sometimes it takes all night to hear the whole thing." this is a cracker from liz in wiltshire. she says, "i'm head gardener on a private estate
and when i'm out in the garden, i plug into newscast to catch up with the important issues of the day, although i have to admit that the local lions and tigers roaring..." lion roaring. sealion noises. that additional sound there, as i turn into david attenborough, we are reporting from cop, aren't we, are sea lions as well which are also a feature. this is quite the private estate that you work on, liz! what kind of a estate does she work on? "they do sometimes win out over newscast some days." so occasionally, you are beaten, adam, or we are collectively beaten by the biggest beasts of the jungle and the safari. somewhere in wiltshire. mind where you go in wiltshire — you never know what is round the next corner! hello, it's chris in the studio at westminster. and laura in the studio at westminster and there are no lions or sea lions with us this evening.
and it's adam, still at cop26 in glasgow which means i get to see the lovely twinkling lights of the conference venue on the beautiful calm river clyde. are there any sea lions in the clyde? no, but i did see a police scotland jet ski or at least hear one. yeah, i saw some of them last week, they were quite cool. anyway, other people have been in other parts of different climes away from the clyde, haven't they, chris? they have, yes, flight that have headed south as well as north. gibraltar. i don't think gibraltar, i was going to say gibraltar hasn't featured as much in the news for a long time but because we did talk about it for a while... what talking about? gibraltar! exactly, where is katya when you need her? talking about gibraltar. it's a sound effect all of its own. it really is, it really is, even more exotic and the beast of wiltshire. than the beast of wiltshire. we have been talking about gibraltar at westminster and this whole business of this jaunt that 15 mps went on out to gibraltar to see how the armed forces work. fairly standard thing for mps
to do these kinds of things, to work out how different sectors work. it seems it got a bit lively with a trio of them and you have been reporting that there was a couple military chaperones on this plane. that's right, this thing called the armed forces parliamentary scheme, it's been running for years and a dozen or so mps every year take part in different bits and they go off and watch things happening. and this group were accompanied by these two military chaperones on the plane and on arrival in gibraltar, the military chaperones were so worried about the behaviour and drinking of three of the mps on board that they let their bosses know back in london. we have talked to witnesses who were there, who have told us there was a lot of drinking. one witness told me they were extremely drunk and there was a whole sort of kerfuffle at the airport in gibraltar upon arrival. and this doesn't seem like, from this account of events, that it was people having a couple of beers on a flight, this seems like something that was much more serious than that. but it has prompted some pretty angry denials on the other side.
it has. the three mps, we've got charlotte nicholls who is a labour mp, who had been drinking, wasn't in gibraltar for very long, she has got some mental health concerns, she's got post—traumatic stress disorder, she had a mental health episode, as it has been described to me, not long after she got there, and came back. and that's that, and there has been no official response from labour. but the two snp mps, drew hendry and david linden, there is a bit of a to do now. because they went on twitter straightaway and said this is all politics. didn't say they hadn't been drinking. but they did deny being drunk which is the central allegation. that's right and they have stayed on the trip and i think we can have a look at the picture of the armed forces parliamentary group out there on their trip to gibraltar. they get to put on combat fatigues which, i knew about these things but i didn't realise they got to kind of dress up and i don't say that in a dismissive sense but they are not members
of the armed forces and itjust seemed a bit weird. it is a slightly unusual thing, but it is a serious scheme and from talking to people about this trip, there was a real sense that, among others, real outrage because it is a serious thing. this is an important trip, on the time around armistice day, so for this kind of palaver to go on has really got some people's necks up. but as you said, surprise surprise, it has turned into a bit of a political row and even the first minister, nicola sturgeon, today went on the record denying that her mps had got up to no good. they have made clear- the allegations that have been made against them are utterly false, i i think are a prettyl disgraceful attempt by conservatives to divert i attention from other things over the past couple of days. i know david and drew extremely well and i have confidence - in them and in the account they have given. _ so the first minister is insistent that her colleagues were not in this state at all but the ministry of defence, and ben wallace,
the defence secretary, must be very confident about the facts of this story because he hasn'tjust written to the snp and to labour, he has written letters to all sorts of people in the political system about this. that's right, he has written to the commons speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, he's also written to james gray, who is the mp who runs this armed forces parliamentary scheme. and, as i understand it, ben wallace is not asking for any kind of sanction but the mod i think is deadly serious about this, they were trying to make it clear to the party leaders that this kind of behaviour, as alleged, is completely unacceptable. and what is striking that, yes, the context of this story is one where lots of parties are perhaps scratching around, seeing what other parties might have done after a week of headlines that have focused on the conservatives, but crucially, two, and they are not the only two, but two of the witnesses here were not party political, they were civil servants, or representatives of the ministry of defence accompanying these mps out there. we are getting into a bit of an arms race between all the partiesjust trying
to find examples left, right and centre people not behaving themselves super well, right and centre of people not behaving themselves super well, but perhaps not doing stuff that is the end of the world? well, there was some chatter at westminster this morning about whether or not mps actually really wanted to open up a pandora's box about mps' behaviour on foreign trips. because from time to time you do here quite sort of hair raising stories about the things that people have got up to, thinking they might be on an 18 to 30 trip rather than off on some professional fact finding mission. 60 to 70! exactly! for some. but i did hear somebody who was familiar with some of these trips talking about how sometimes mps werejust a bit high and mighty, they hadn't always been as polite as they always should be. but i was also told today that one particular mp had gone on some trips around the world and always insisted that the itinerary included a visit to the local zoo! which i just thought
it was a really strange thing. anyway, if you are listening to newscast, you probably know who you are. but anyway... that's for you, liz! listener liz! it has kind of been mps behaving badly week in a way but the issues around claims of corruption, second jobs, people breaking really strict standards rules, that is something really serious and we ended up with the sight of the prime minister standing on stage yesterday, telling the world, look, i genuinely believe the uk is not corrupt and people in cop cannot possibly have conceived of hearing that when all those months ago there were thinking, oh, what kind of image and look do we want to give to the rest of the world? and whatever anyone's view on what has happened in the last week or so in terms of the revelation, a british prime minister volunteering that sentence out loud is extraordinary. because that word, corrupt, is a colossal one. it is. and i know it was thrown around by sir keir starmer, the labour leader, over the last weeks, and there was something there, if you like, for the prime minister to respond to.
but it is just such a massive word. it really is and there is always a danger in politics, if you reuse your critic's accusation, you actually give some fuel to it rather than just cracking on, but there is no question here, borisjohnson has been privately slated by a lot of his mps for his handling of all of this and there's been some public criticism as well. also, chris, i thought your use of the word volunteer there to describe what the prime minister did was actually a really accurate reflection of what it was like in that press conference yesterday which he did here in glasgow. he was asked about something along these lines but he wasn't asked, do you think britain is a corrupt country or not? he started answering a much more generic question about the situation and then you could see a light bulb went on in his head and there was something he wanted to say but he hadn't said yet so he then came out with this line and so everybody stops typing their notes on their laptops and looked up to hear him say that. what i think is really interesting is that he hasn't come close to apologising for the government's handling about this, leading back to the owen paterson thing
and the botched vote in the commons, but if you listen to the chancellor, rishi sunak, who was doing interviews this morning about the latest gdp figures, but he was inevitably asked about this, he sounded not necessarily apologetic but a lot more contrite than borisjohnson ever has. i'm not familiar with - the specific details of that case, it would not be - right for me to comment on individuals. reflecting on all of these things over recent days, i what i can say is that. for us as a government, we need to do better. than we did last week, and we know that. that, a reference i think specifically to sir geoffrey cox and his whereabouts over, well, a good chunk of the last few months. still no sign of him, his commons office was all locked up with the lights off when i went and had a peek yesterday. you always think, back in the day, compiling cvs and that little bit about extracurricular activities where you say, i don't know, abseiling! netball! exactly! orienteering. and it's fair to say that that chunk of sir geoffrey's cv is rather extensive and well remunerated!
i'm not sitting here on my own because listening to all of that was the shadow business secretary, and i have to say, a bit of a cop aficionado because he has been here the whole time and been very visible, it is ed miliband. hello. i confess! not that i need to confess because people knew it anyway but... you are loving it, i have seen you walking around like you're on cloud nine the whole time you've been here. cloud cop! there are certain, they are an experience, aren't they? yes, we will talk about cop at length in a minute, not too much length, just the right length, but this whole thing we are calling standards this week, is this now affecting all parties? you would have been loving it a few days ago when it seemed to be a tory issue but it's now the snp and labour being dragged into a behavioural thing as well. i think there are lots of different things going on, i don't know what happened on that flight but people should behave themselves on flights, but i don't know exactly what happened. the fundamental issue here is our mps focused on working for the people who
elect them, their constituents, and are we upholding proper standards of integrity? this all dates back to owen paterson the fact that the prime minister decided to rip up the rules and decided to effectively sack the referee orjust decided he would not accept the referee's verdict. this is where it all began. i think there is going to have to be changed, though it's not just about owen paterson or geoffrey cox, there is going to have to be change. lord evans said this morning that in 2018 they recommended a ban on consultancies for mps. i proposed in 2015, when i was a leader, that they should be a ban on directorships and consultancies, paid directorships and consultancies. i think we need to do that because we want to uphold the idea that mps are working, focus on their constituents, not for outside organisations they might be lobbying on behalf of. and we want to uphold that idea and it's like it needs to be seen that way as well.
what keir starmer did any different to what geoffrey cox has done? the history is this that in 2015! said we should get rid of paid directorships, and in 2019 we stood on a manifesto that said an end to second jobs apart from a few exceptions. i think we don't have to move is a parliament to a stronger position, at least the position i set out in 2015 and i would
venture to suggest a stronger position than that. geoffrey cox earning £6 million, residing in the caribbean, and 10,000 hours caribbean, and10,000 hours over— caribbean, and 10,000 hours over the _ caribbean, and 10,000 hours over the past six years... 100 grand for winding down, ed? i mean that would sound extraordinary for so many people. well, hang on, he got paid because he had been a barrister, he was coming into parliament, he was doing some work as a barrister. look, i know kier was absolutely focused on the job he was doing as an mp and then subsequently shadow brexit secretary and then he's given up his license to practice. right, let's talk about cop before we dive into the latest draft of the cover decision which is what all us nerds are excited about and won't be able to sleep tonight because there is a new version of it coming in the morning. cover decision, is i that the final thing? basically that's kind of like the wraparound agreement that contains a summary of all the stuff that has been decided as part of the cop process. it has lots of complicated technical text below it. ed, did you bring any gossip from the blue zone where the talks are happening?
look, here is my gossip, which is that for two years, this is slightly trivial, for two years i have been saying to alok sharma that he should change his twitter bio to no drama sharma. and today he said some people call me no drama sharma. so at least he's finally taken my advice on that score. but i think he needs to be high drama sharma in the next couple of days. 0k, smooth. your advice was duff all along. not that smooth. because, you know, we are not where we need to be in the summit. just to be super nerdy for a minute, we know what the task was, which is to halve global emissions by 2030. that is a reduction, you need a bar chart for this, that is a reduction of 28 billion tonnes of emissions
and we know what the authoritative un estimate is, that we are at 4.8 billion tonnes, so we are less than a fifth of the weight where we need to be. so what does this mean for what we need in these final hours of co p26? at the very least we need a mandate to come back in a year's time to close that gap. at the moment we've got quite a weak text on what exactly negotiators are supposed to do. people know this may be, but the paris agreement in 2015 set aim for well below two degrees of warming and efforts to 1.5 and there is a real ambiguity in the text about this, so that is one thing that has got to be delivered. we've got to finally deliver for developing countries this $100 billion that was promised at copenhagen when i was a climate change secretary and gordon brown was the prime minister, still not delivered. still not delivered in the final days of this cop, and there are other things that are important as well. so i fear, i don't want to be the sort of gloom merchant here, but we are not where we need to be. i just don't get that if we had
a labour government and this cop was being held under a labour government and you were the cop secretary, or maybe you would be the cop president, no drama miliband. it doesn't have quite the same ring. we would come up with a different one obviously in this parallel universe, but how would you have got china to reduce its emissions by more and also get america to stump up tens of millions of more dollars? you are completely right about this, but here is what has not happened at this cop. two years ago it should have been realised when nerds like me were talking about this massive gap in emissions that what we needed to do was what was done in paris, which is to have the alliance of developing and vulnerable countries on the one hand and ambitious, developed countries like ours on the other, to put pressure, to form a pincer movement, to put pressure on the big emitters like china and indeed the united states. now, because this 100 billion has not been delivered, because we have not succeeded in vaccinating the developing world, in fact the vaccination rates are shamefully low in the developed world has not delivered, the argument even
at the end of this cop is not mainly about this ambition question, it is mainly about this finance question. i was talking to laurence tubiana, the architect of the architect of paris, the paris agreement earlier on today, and the genius of what happened in paris was that there was this alliance and we didn't build an alliance and i don't think early enough. i am actually praising of alok sharma on the job ed, you've talked about being on cloud cop notjust- at glasgow but plenty- of previous cops, i don't know how many cops you have been to, but is it too late...? _ four i think. you talk about being gloomy, we are recording this - on thursday night, so oftenl with these things at all sorts of international summits, . the big breakthrough comes in the final hours or even i into extra time, injury time, added on time, call it- what you like, could something still come that makes i you rather less gloomy? look, my prediction is we will get an agreement, we will hopefully get an agreement to return next year, we will hopefully protect the language that says we need to phase out fossil fuel
subsidies, and i hope we will deliver for the developing world in a way that we haven't done so far at this cop. but if i was to pretend to you that we were suddenly going to go from being a way off having emissions and suddenly all these countries are going to come forward with new pledges for 2030, that is not in the realms of what is going to happen. the leaders came, they made their statements, they made their announcements, so we are going to be short on the science, we are going to be very short on the science, and we are going to have to have a herculean effort in the coming year to try and close that ambition gap. we are going to have to get tough with major emitters. we are doing a trade deal with australia at the moment, but we apparently, we haven't seen the final text, we apparently have agreed to take out these commitments on temperatures to 1.5 degrees and so on, we can't carry on doing trade deals where we say climate is an optional extra. don't you think the government is maybe being a bit nifty
here because they have done a of side deals, or allowed lots of side deals will happen and they have been involved in things like deforestation, on methane, the less famous greenhouse gas after carbon dioxide, on cars and there is a whole separate thing about money that mark carney the former governor of the bank of england has been doing, and those are all things that would be very hard to achieve within the cop process because you have got 197 people who are always going to argue going to argue or never agree, but instead they have carved out things where you can get different coalitions of people. isn't that a smart move because that gets progress in areas that wouldn't have progress otherwise? yes and yes, and it is modest progress, but the problem is it is being dressed up as transformation and it isn't transformation. and it has been massively over by the number ten machine, i'm afraid. so the 190 countries on coal turned out to be 13 new countries that actually use coal and two of them, poland and south korea, have said, hang on, we didn't sign up to this, we signed up to something very different.
they are classing themselves as developing countries. exactly. so i absolutely don't deny that there is think up a row, but in the way the government believed its own slogan of cash, cars, trees and coal, that that would sort the emissions gap and there was an authoritative report again today which said it makes a difference but it is a pretty marginal difference to this 2030 question. and this is really hard because you are asking countries to change the way their economies work. there is also another debate about money here that is separate to the 100 billion and they call it loss and damage, but basically it is compensation for countries feeling the effects of climate change now because of the emissions we did back then. should i as a taxpayer in 2021 be paying money that goes to a country that is suffering sea—level rise or coral dying because of emissions emitted by my great, great grandad? the developed world is going to have to... we should pay the loss and damage, which some people
call it reparation? well, it's actually less about... i think the best, fairest way to describe this as we stand tonight is this is modest progress, this summit, but modest progress is not nearly enough given the emergency we face and 1.5 at the end of the summit will be in mortal danger. and it doesn't mean it's dead. if we come back in 2025, we don't come back next year, then it will be very, very serious, very bad. but assuming we come back next year it will be in mortal danger and the world is going to have to act with much greater urgency if we are going to keep it alive. what has happened in the last 2a hours is i have picked up some merch, which ed has done to, everyone gets a cop refillable, reusable water bottle. i had to go and buy a hole punch today because i am
starting to fill up my new cop binder. you haven't been printing things out? hang on a minute! i thought you were not allowed to have paper? what are you doing using up the forest by printing out documents? it's for the good of humanity. as all your reporting is. i've also got some david attenborough themed socks, toes in planet, as they say. aw! i got the water bottle i suppose. and it has started raining, so we are having the proper glasgow experience just as the climate conference draws to a close, the climate has got other ideas. can i give you my best line of the cop so far and it's not mine? please do. it was jim from motherwell. i was in the train station on saturday relatively early in the morning and jim from motherwell said how is the cop going? i said i'm not sure, it's hard to tell at this stage. and he said, "let me tell you, cop26, the clue is in the name,
they've tried 25 times before and they failed." i think that's a bit gloomy a note to end on. all right, mr optimism. they haven't succeeded, he probably said but anyway we'll come back in cop27. good news forjim, they'vejust announced cop27 is going to be in egypt and cop28 is going to be in dubai. but from me and ed it's cop out. bye, everybody. bye — bye. hello. a windy friday will bring some rain at times, heaviest and most persistent in scotland. hello. with low pressure moving right across the uk, the week is coming to a windy end and there's the chance of rain as well. there will be some heavier bursts
of rain, especially in scotland. and around this area of low pressure, plenty of mild air moving in on quite a strong wind, it has to be said, particularly across coastal parts of the north and west. here comes the low pressure, the centre of which will move across scotland as we go on through friday. it's in scotland we're going to see the heaviest rain. now, these are the temperatures to begin the day, so already very mild — 11 degrees in belfast and manchester, for example. the heaviest rain will be in scotland, a couple of pulses of that working on through, but heaviest and most persistent in hills in the west. and very wet for a time across much of northwest england. showery bursts of rain for northern ireland, for wales, across the rest of england. certainly not raining all the time. there will even be a few brighter breaks here and there as well, but it is going to be blustery. these are average wind speeds. around the coasts of northern and western scotland, northern ireland, through the irish sea, may get some gusts around 40—50 mph, so there will be some gales in places here. we know it's a mild start.
temperatures will edge up a little bit further. we're talking highs of around 1a, 15 degrees for many places. it will be turning drier in scotland going into the evening. and overnight, there will be some clear spells and fog patches. wales and england keeping a lot of cloud here and still some showery rain around, mostly across eastern parts of england going into saturday morning. and the winds gradually easing, though staying quite windy along that north sea coast. and it's another mild night and start to saturday. into the weekend, the area of low pressure's moving away, this little ridge of high pressure is moving in, although there are weather fronts in the atlantic not too far away. that said, much of the weekend will be dry. some fog patches in scotland on saturday morning, some sunny spells, though, to follow. plenty of cloud around elsewhere. still a few showers, mainly towards the eastern side of england. still breezy along that north sea coast. may see a bit of patchy rain moving towards northern ireland later in the day. again, it's mild.
temperatures for the most part in double figures. some fog patches around as we go on into sunday, a lot of cloud, a few bright or sunny breaks here and there, the chance for thicker cloud across western areas and some mostly light and patchy rain. some heavier bursts of rain, though, moving towards the northern and western isles, the far northwest of scotland, on what will be another mild day.
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