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are "extremely worried" about the omicron variant. it's expected the hospitality sector will shut down and schools will close till mid—january. a woman arrested on suspicion of child neglect, as part of an investigation into the death of four children in a fire, has been hailed. firefighters had rescued two sets of twin boys from the house in sutton on thursday, but they all later died in hospital. the metropolitan police say the 27—year—old woman has been asked to return to a police station next month. england's cricketers are in danger of falling to another heavy defeat in the ashes. australia are in a strong position at the end of day three of the second test in adelaide, leading by 282 runs after another england batting collapse. the tourists started well, before stumbling to 236 all out. patrick gearey reports. don't look down. the view ahead of day three was that england were on a precipice, the match — perhaps
the series — n the edge. joe root came out dancing. these were conditions ideal for batting. root and david malan seemed capable of doing lots of it. 50 four david malan. no wickets in the first session, englishmen in adelaide out of hiding. butjust as those woke up and checked their phones... gone! ..joe root left the conversation. that touch moved the match. australia had dismissed officially the best batter in the world. the rest wouldn't be a problem. that was dawid malan, gone to starc for 80. and this was ollie pope, prodding at nathan lyon on 5. that time! whenjos buttler met his own starc end, england had lost four wickets for 19 runs, and we were watching another repeat. when it ended, england were still 237 runs behind. australia's attack was supposed to be weakened. the aussies didn't have to bat
again, but chose to, sensing it probably wasn't as difficult as it had just been made to look. they finished 45—1, a long way ahead. pretty frustrating and disappointing. it's very easy to keep saying we're unlucky and we nicked a few and this and that and we played some bad shots, but we actually need to find a way of putting some runs on the board as a collective. those who followed england sang on regardless, but this might have been the day the music stopped. patrick gearey, bbc news. now, the wait is nearly over for tonight's strictly final. vying for the glitterball are eastenders star rose ayling—ellis, the show�*s first ever deaf contestant, and british bake off championjohn whaite, who is one half of strictly�*s first same—sex male couple. finalist aj odudu will, sadly, not be taking part due to a torn ligament. that's it for now. we're back with the late news just after 10.00. now on bbc one, it's time for the news where you are.
has danced and sang on tv and even got it's not all been a hard news. he has danced and sang on tv and even got stoned it's not all been a hard news. he has danced and sang on tv and even got stoned on it's not all been a hard news. he has danced and sang on tv and even got stoned on camera, it's not all been a hard news. he has danced and sang on tv and even got stoned on camera, but he's it's not all been a hard news. he has danced and sang on tv and even got stoned on camera, but he's also been accused of being too partisan, having political views too obvious. so at a time when the future of channel 4 is up for grabs, his words have come under unprecedented scrutiny. jon snow, welcome to the media show. the first question, you have a few days left at channel 4 news. l have a few days left at channel 4 news. ., , have a few days left at channel 4 news. . , ., , ., news. i have every hope that phone call will come. _ news. i have every hope that phone call will come. then _ news. i have every hope that phone call will come. then i _ news. i have every hope that phone call will come. then i will be - news. i have every hope that phone call will come. then i will be able i call will come. then i will be able to sa i call will come. then i will be able to say i have _ call will come. then i will be able to say i have interviewed every i to say i have interviewed every prime minister. i want to get one thing clear, which is how you see yourself. we know how we see you, but do you see yourself as a news reader first and foremost, are you a reporter digging for original journalism whojust reporter digging for original journalism who just happens to read the news? i journalism who 'ust happens to read the news? , , , ., , journalism who 'ust happens to read the news? , , .,, my journalism who 'ust happens to read the news? , ,, .,, ., the news? i see myself as lucky, and on to of
the news? i see myself as lucky, and on tap of that. _ the news? i see myself as lucky, and on top of that, i'm _ the news? i see myself as lucky, and on top of that, i'm a _ the news? i see myself as lucky, and on top of that, i'm a reporter. - the news? i see myself as lucky, and on top of that, i'm a reporter. i - on top of that, i'm a reporter. i have no other responsibility than to tell stories, to tell the truth and to interrogate.— tell stories, to tell the truth and to interrogate. because you love beinu to interrogate. because you love bein: on to interrogate. because you love being on the _ to interrogate. because you love being on the road. _ to interrogate. because you love being on the road. i _ to interrogate. because you love being on the road. i love - to interrogate. because you love being on the road. i love being l to interrogate. because you love | being on the road. i love being on the road, that _ being on the road. i love being on the road, that is _ being on the road. i love being on the road, that is the _ being on the road. i love being on the road, that is the real- being on the road. i love being on the road, that is the real arena i being on the road. i love being on the road, that is the real arena of| the road, that is the real arena of retrieving information and ideas and stories that may be no one else has got to. stories that may be no one else has not to. ., ., ,, ., ., ., stories that may be no one else has iotto. ., ., ,, ., ., ., got to. you have spent a lot of your career doing _ got to. you have spent a lot of your career doing that _ got to. you have spent a lot of your career doing that as _ got to. you have spent a lot of your career doing that as a _ career doing that as a newsreader, you were in haiti after the hurricane, new orleans after the flooding, on the ground outside grenfell tower. we work together at channel 4 news and we went to india together over a decade ago. what do you get from being on location that you get from being on location that you wouldn't get otherwise? i think ou aet you wouldn't get otherwise? i think you get totally _ you wouldn't get otherwise? i think you get totally plugged _ you wouldn't get otherwise? i think you get totally plugged into - you get totally plugged into reality, the thing between you and what you are looking at, and it's up to you to make something of it and interrogate anybody who is there,
and indeed... inaudible. let's go back to where it all began, you went to university to study law but you were thrown out for taking part in an anti—apartheid protest, did you grow up in a political household?— did you grow up in a political household? ., , ., ~y household? good heavens, no. my arents household? good heavens, no. my parents were _ household? good heavens, no. my parents were what _ household? good heavens, no. my parents were what you _ household? good heavens, no. my parents were what you would - household? good heavens, no. my parents were what you would call | parents were what you would call automatic tories, i don't think they ever thought of any actual choice, there was no choice. additionally, extraordinarily, my father was the headmaster of a school in sussex. it was there i encountered my first politician. was there i encountered my first olitician. ~ ., ., , was there i encountered my first olitician. ~ ., was there i encountered my first olitician. ., politician. who was it? i was in the cha el politician. who was it? i was in the chapel and — politician. who was it? i was in the chapel and i _ politician. who was it? i was in the chapel and i said _ politician. who was it? i was in the chapel and i said my _ politician. who was it? i was in the chapel and i said my mother, - politician. who was it? i was in the chapel and i said my mother, whol politician. who was it? i was in the l chapel and i said my mother, who is that unhappy —looking man down there at the end? she said, i will get yourfather at the end? she said, i will get your father to at the end? she said, i will get yourfather to tell you. at the end? she said, i will get your father to tell you. and at the end? she said, i will get yourfather to tell you. and he said, jonathan, because that is what they called me, this is mr harold macmillan, the prime minister. do
you know what a prime minister is, young man? isaid, no, sir. he said, well, iam young man? isaid, no, sir. he said, well, i am a conservative politician and i run the country. so well, i am a conservative politician and i run the country.— and i run the country. so you met harold macmillan _ and i run the country. so you met harold macmillan and _ and i run the country. so you met harold macmillan and i _ and i run the country. so you met harold macmillan and i take - and i run the country. so you met harold macmillan and i take it - harold macmillan and i take it didn't make you think you wanted to be a politician, but there must be some sort of media genes in the is no family, because your cousin peter and now his son dan are also tv presenters, so did you know you always wanted to be a journalist? no. i really wanted to be a troublemaker.— no. i really wanted to be a troublemaker. ,, ., ., , troublemaker. -- the snow family. after i was — troublemaker. -- the snow family. after i was sent _ troublemaker. -- the snow family. after i was sent away _ troublemaker. -- the snow family. after i was sent away from - after i was sent away from university, i have to find something to do. i was sent to a day centre for homeless and vulnerable teenagers. i stayed for three years and it taught me everything i hadn't learned at that point. so and it taught me everything i hadn't
learned at that point.— learned at that point. so how come ou are learned at that point. so how come you are sitting _ learned at that point. so how come you are sitting with _ learned at that point. so how come you are sitting with me _ learned at that point. so how come you are sitting with me now - learned at that point. so how come you are sitting with me now on - learned at that point. so how come you are sitting with me now on the | you are sitting with me now on the media show?— media show? you did become a journalist- _ media show? you did become a journalist. well, _ media show? you did become a journalist. well, i— media show? you did become a journalist. well, i did. - media show? you did become a journalist. well, i did. this - media show? you did become a l journalist. well, i did. this might -ainin to journalist. well, i did. this might pining to work— journalist. well, i did. this might pining to work for _ journalist. well, i did. this might pining to work for the _ journalist. well, i did. this might pining to work for the bbc, - journalist. well, i did. this might pining to work for the bbc, i - journalist. well, i did. this might| pining to work for the bbc, i have never been invited. there is still time! in that time, the invention of commercial radio was hatched. the first station on air was lbc, london broadcasting. i applied for a job there. forsome broadcasting. i applied for a job there. for some reason, broadcasting. i applied for a job there. forsome reason, i broadcasting. i applied for a job there. for some reason, ithink probably, yes, they thought, peter snow, jon snow, he may be all right, and they have their own peter snow, that will make sense... i had three years of amazing journalism, really. sadly the ira went wild, bombing their way across london. the lucky thing was that i rode a bicycle, so i got to the seat of the crime often before anyone else was anywhere
near. all i had to find was somewhere to lock my bike, otherwise i have my tape recorder on my shoulder, and i dived straight in. of course, if you are getting raw, amazing revealing stuff on the ground, it is much more powerful, evenif ground, it is much more powerful, even if it's not as good. it may not be greatjournalism but it was very powerful radio and people felt they were in the heart of it.— were in the heart of it. therefore, ou were were in the heart of it. therefore, you were thought _ were in the heart of it. therefore, you were thought to _ were in the heart of it. therefore, you were thought to be _ were in the heart of it. therefore, you were thought to be a - were in the heart of it. therefore, you were thought to be a very - were in the heart of it. therefore, l you were thought to be a very good reporter, even though i was probably a terrible reporter. you reporter, even though i was probably a terrible reporter.— a terrible reporter. you took over channel 4 — a terrible reporter. you took over channel 4 news _ a terrible reporter. you took over channel 4 news from _ a terrible reporter. you took over channel 4 news from peter - a terrible reporter. you took over l channel 4 news from peter sissons after he absconded to the bbc, was that always your end goal, to read the news? i don't think it really was. and i still don't regard the job i do at channel 4 news as reading the news. why not? it's
interrogating the news. challenge the people involved in those facts. determine whether they really are facts too. let's talk about some of your big scoops as a journalist. there have been a lot. in 1976 you are flying in a fork and executive jet along with its owner, idi amin, the dictator in uganda at that time. how did you come to be on that plane? i how did you come to be on that lane? ., ., ., , plane? i have to give a bit of background. _ plane? i have to give a bit of background. when _ plane? i have to give a bit of background. when i- plane? i have to give a bit of background. when i left - plane? i have to give a bit of. background. when i left schooli background. when i left school i went on voluntary service overseas to uganda, never having been out of england, so it was a big shock but also the most intoxicating and wonderful and amazing way of learning about the world.
it became clear that he had gone to sleep and i was sitting next to him and i thought, i saw this pistol hanging off his belt. i thought, should i shoot him? you really considered it? ithought, me, pistol, him murderous, me, brave and courageous and looking for the truth. it is time i did something about this. jon snow, there's no possibility. and i thought, he may not actually be asleep, he might be pretending to be asleep. and i looked at the holster and the holster was undone and i could've just pulled the gun out but was it loaded? what idiot would let idi amin on board with a loaded pistol? and then i thought, you're not going to survive this if you try that. and so, i did not. do you regret it? no. thank goodness, what a stupid thing to try and do. in 1990, you watched nelson mandela walk to freedom, what was that
like and how do you go about reporting the story of that kind? it was intoxicating. it was absolutely the most glorious, it was liberation. south africa had a terrible record of apartheid and here i was, and there was an almost jesus christ figure who had appeared out of prison, an absolute hero of the time and the amazing responsibility of being allowed to interview him. because he was no problem at all. it's impossible to say but he was as interested in me as he was in him. he kept asking questions. i don't want to disappoint you, but i have to ask you, it is you we want to hear from him, not you asking me. i know nothing and you know everything. can we just do this interview?
and we had a beautiful interview and he was the most lovely and gracious and amazing guy, who had been through so much and yet was still the most vivid and affectionate and loving human being. and he said led let bygones be bygones. that was more important to him, peace rather than taking it on the people who took it out on him. the pressure that everyone has exerted and also the fact that apartheid committed so many crimes, or so many crimes were committed in the name of apartheid, what should happen to people who committed those crimes? i have been saying throughout, let bygones be bygones. nelson mandela is not the only world leader you have interviewed and you've also grilled almost every prime minister since
margaret thatcher. do you think politicians are harder to pin down now than when you first started? it is interesting — i think as the technology has developed, so has the capacity for the leader or politician to evade scrutiny. i think that is a fact. and it is much more difficult. there is no question that the interrogation in the commons is good stuff and democracy still functions, but the beauty of the press was that it was able to cut through a lot of stuff and just get to a leader and test, and that is much more difficult today than it was. difficult in part because they've got people who spend their full—time lives preventing you from getting anywhere near doing anything. the spin doctors? yes. and someone like margaret thatcher, she didn't actually need massive defenders.
she was happy to be quizzed on the doorstep of number ten, as anyone. and it has become much, much tighter and much more difficult and in a funny sort of way, it has almost left leading politicians looking smaller than their forbears used to be able to give amazing accounts. you could say what's going on and you would get an answer. now, it is much harder. they think we're the enemy. it's got to a very soft and sad space. are you the enemy? of course not. i want truth, i want to know what's going on. i want to know about on behalf of the viewer and the listener, what is happening? what is your purpose? what is the purpose of this law? what is the purpose of what you are doing? but it can be very difficult. you can get a background briefing,
but there are no pictures. you have nothing to prove you ever spoke to anyone because it is off—camera. your fellow big—name interviewers have a particular approach. paxman would attack. andrew neil would adopt a tone of incredulity, how would you describe your interview style? i am much thicker than they are. they are accomplished people with university degrees and i am not and therefore i have to be much more animal and i try to ask the questions that the viewer might really want answered. i try to follow up with an intelligent question, but the idea that i know any more than the average citizen, perhaps that is the joy of this. the average citizen wants you to ask questions on their behalf. they don't want you to pull out your phd and check subsection five and see whether the minister is telling the truth or not.
they want you to ask straight on, what is going on here? as you wander around the party here, there is one thing that strikes you in that extraordinary number of people in your own party hate you. why do they hate you? i don't find that, actually. i find travelling around this conservative conference — i've spoken to every area of reception, travelling around the country, supporting conservative campaigns and colleagues. they find you aloof — that you're not one of them. ijust do not accept that. i really don't i don't accept that for a minute. you have been stoned on tv, you have danced, you have sung on camera. i know you are a former chorister, even so, is that something there a case or not a case for saying the news reader shouldn't be a part of the story, that audiences want a more bland figure? i don't think the presenter of news has a responsibility to evade the truth that he or she is
a human being. and i think the attraction in many ways of what we have, let's say, more opportunity to question people and be more discursive, is that we remain human beings. we did not become automatons or trapped persons who were doing other people's bidding. the danger is that they will bring their weapons out onto the street and that there will be bloodshed again. moments later, guns actually did appear and order was eventually restored by tho a mullah who expressed no sympathy for the women's position. your accent has definitely changed over the years. were you ever told you sounded too posh? often. i am a posh boy. did you change it on purpose? no! i speak as i ever did. your voice is definitely less posh?
come on. i would dispute that. ok, i will play you some tapes later. you have been called a pinko, a lefty, has the question of impartiality ever been raised to you by your bosses? never. no—one has ever sat me down and said you are too right wing or too left wing or everything else. and i don't think i am. i think i go straight down the middle. for example, you take grenfell tower. grenfell tower is an extraordinary event in our time that speaks so loudly of inequality. if i were to take a position that looks at this from the point of view of a victim, someone who is living up the 73rd floor and lost their husband, child and everything else, am i then to say look, i'm sorry. i have to be completely
objective about this, if they worked harder they would not have been on the top floor. no, no. you have to be the right person asking the right question at the right time and you're not going to adjust yourself because you think in some way, you are too left or too right. i don't think of these things. i think the appalling suffering the person on the 12th floor who went through that terrible experience. andrew marr, who was stepping down from the bbc tojoin lbc, he said he wants to get his own voice back. do you feel constrained but what you can say because you work for channel 4? absolutely not. i feel no constraint at all and i have very rarely ever been ticked off over anything like that. channel 4 news have been heavily criticised by the government, some of them see it as having a left—wing political bias, which channel 4 news entirely disputes. channel 4 disputes this, obviously. why do you think they have that
impression about channel 4 news? because the consultation has just closed on channel 4's future. it has the luxury of not being the bbc, which i love and i listen to it and i watch it far more than i watch any other channel. but the fact is, that given the bbc�*s position and given the fact that it is, in a sense, it runs a very fine and objective operation. the glory of channel 4 is that it is not the bbc and that it actually has the opportunity to roam free and make of the world what we can. can you remember a time when journalists came under so much criticism from the public as well as the government? i believe there's been many times where it has been tough, i don't think it has gone on for as long as this. the pandemic is an
exacerbating factor. in mrs thatcher's period there was warfare with the media. it goes in cycles, i remember harold wilson complaining about the media. it's a part of the furniture. frankly, if democracy stops complaining about the media, we have reached a bad situation. does cancel culture exist? not as far as channel 4 is concerned. i am not conscious of it all. everyone is under pressure one way or another, pressure to tell the truth, and that is our responsibility. if we were not telling the truth, then maybe we should be called to attention and not repeat it. but the fact is, that doesn't happen very often. i think people exaggerate the extent to which there is some sort of a battle going on. i don't really think there is.
and i'm really interested in hearing your take on the health of the news industry right now. you work at itn, channel 4 news, channel five news, is there a lot of competition that your colleagues at itv had a scoop last week as we discussed in the media show. allegra stratton footage joking about downing street party. what was your reaction to your colleagues at getting such a big scoop? pleasure. genuine pleasure. because it had come from itv, which did not have a great track record of real scoops like that. and it was a real utterly brilliant scoop and a very meaningful one. and we were envious, but we were thrilled. we didn't celebrate very much because we had access to it, but no, it was pleasure that our building, which houses a lot of tv channels, had done something that the bbc must�*ve been, well, flapping their ears about.
there's been a lot of talk about old guard changing. andrew marr is leaving the bbc, adam boulton leaving sky. andrew neil has had his own well—publicized exit from broadcasting for the moment. what do you make of all these big news beasts going all at once? i think the big thing is to say how old are we? and we look at the age, the ages that we emerged from in many ways, the naive youthful period of the media's development, in which there was, we were all finding our way, and the media today, obviously, is quite different from the very odd and confused and rather posh outfits that used to exist in the 50s and 60s. and all male. and all male, and now it's multicultural and it's men and women, and it's a different world. we've been lucky enough to be
born in the right years, the late 40s and early 50s, and we have come of age as broadcasting and the media have come of age and we have blossomed and enjoyed it and given back. and ifeel very proud to be part of it. how do you feel about leaving channel 4 news after three decades? it's been a long time. it's like leaving a marriage. there are the kids and all the links and the rest of it. you know, we are all interdependent in so many ways in the workplace and you see each other day after day, week after week and month after month and year after year. and it's a big wrench. and your routine is channel 4 news. my routine hasn't changed in 33 years. looking back over your time in the role, a lot of people,
leave journalism because they feel jaded. they say, you know, the same stories keep coming up again, it's depressing, nothing changes. do you feel that your journalism has made a difference? you were talking earlier on about your background and what you wanted to do when you came to journalism. do you think yourjournalism has led to change for the better? because i'm tall and have funny ties, people are terribly nice to me in the street and you get this feedback. and that's wonderful. you do get feedback and you do get a sense of why people watch and why they enjoy it and the rest of it, and we are different from other opportunities, other options. and, obviously, i'm going to miss that. jon snow, thank you so much for coming on the media show today. it is wonderful to hear from you and thank you to our studio engineer. to everyone out there, thank you so much for listening and goodbye.
we have had two types of weather across the uk today — the sunny skies or low cloud with mist and fog. this weather watcher picture has both of these come up with sunshine over the mountain tops but a layer of murk trapped close to the centre of high pressure, but also parts of wales and south of england where the low cloud has been low enough to give those breaks. 0vernight tonight where the cloud stays well broken, we will see some frost, temperatures getting down to about —3 in the coldest areas. further south a lot of cloud still affecting northern ireland.
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