hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. no one is above the law, said the us attorney general, that includes a former president. but the fbi's search of maralago has deepened the political divide in washington. neither the fbi nor the department ofjustice have commented — the white house says it found about the search from media reports. senior republicans have rallied behind the former president — and eric trump backs his father to run again. i hope, and i'm saying this for the first time, i hope he goes out and beats these guys again. because honestly, this country can't survive this nonsense. over the next half hour — we'll analyse how we got to this

point and what it tells us about the investigations, ongoing into the former president. tonight with the context — the former democrat senator and us district attorney doug jones — katy balls — the deputy political editor of the spectator — and the republican strategist doug heye. hello welcome to the programme. it is unprecedented. never before, at least in the modern age, have federal agents searched the home of a former president. the warrant that was executed on mar—a—lago yesterday, while donald trump was in new york, would have required close collaboration between the fbi and the secret service guarding him, and no doubt it was signed off by the attorney general, merrick garland. but what were the agents looking for? and why the sudden urgency? what we do know, is that when donald trump left the white house last year, there were thousands of documents still in his possession, some of them classified.

the washington post reported, that injanuary, 15 of those boxes were retrieved. injune the doj visited mar—a—lago to speak with the former presidents lawyers about other boxes that were stored on site. last night eric trump told fox news the search was related to the handling of those presidential documents. banana republic antics. having the home of the 45th president of the united states rated by fbi agents, sais broken open. they know he's poised to win. and guess what? that threatens them, that threatens who they are and they will do anything they can to take him out. trump was quick to politicise what had taken place. his "beautiful home" was he said "under siege, raided and occupied" by a justice system "weaponized by radical left democrats". "what is the difference between this and watergate", he asked. well, a few things. watergate was a third rate burglary, by men connected to nixon's campaign.

this was a search warrant, signed by two seperate branches of government. and there are important things the doj would need to have established with their affidavit. first that there was probable cause a specific crime was committed. that the evidence of that crime was likely to be found at the location and third, they would need to show enough probable cause to convince a federal judge this was the only option. and for a former president that is a very high bar. doug jones, let me start with you. can we speculate how these documents came to be at mara lago? i am presuming he did not walk out of the white house with boxes and boxes of documents. this presumably is the stuff that was left over at mar—a—lago after months of him working there. we've got a picture which i'm going to put up on screen it of him at a press conference the day the general of iran was

assassinated. these are documents you would presume that are of extreme state secrets of extreme importance to the state.— extreme state secrets of extreme importance to the state.- importance to the state. yes. it's hard to judge _ importance to the state. yes. it's hard to judge how— importance to the state. yes. it's hard to judge how come - importance to the state. yes. it's hard to judge how come he - importance to the state. yes. it's hard to judge how come he spentj importance to the state. yes. it's i hard to judge how come he spent so much time at morrow lago after criticising president obama for not being at the white house, he smelled more time —— mar—a—lago he spent more time —— mar—a—lago he spent more time —— mar—a—lago he spent more time on his golf classes then mar—a—lago that anyplace else. i'm sure documents were kept here at the time i think they also took documents as they left the white house we have seen so much evidence of documents being destroyed, burned at the white house, text messages deleted. i think a good number of these were taken to the white house. remember, our united states archives went down there and retrieve some of these boxes and literally had to tape some of the documents together because they had been torn. i think until we know more we can speculate a lot but what we do know is they

see some document —— seized. i do believe that classified documents in effect national security. potentially the uk and all our allies around the world not only the united states was up there are people in trump world that say this was a fishing exercise with up i can't imagine that merit garland would sign off on something so politically explosive if you thought there was a crime nor indeed would he be following orders. this there was a crime nor indeed would he be following orders.— he be following orders. this is what the white house _ he be following orders. this is what the white house had _ he be following orders. this is what the white house had to _ he be following orders. this is what the white house had to say - he be following orders. this is what the white house had to say a - the white house had to say a few minutes ago. the the white house had to say a few minutes age-— the white house had to say a few minutes auo. , , ., minutes ago. the president and the white house _ minutes ago. the president and the white house learned _ minutes ago. the president and the white house learned about - minutes ago. the president and the white house learned about this - minutes ago. the president and the white house learned about this fbi | white house learned about this fbi search_ white house learned about this fbi search from public reports. we learn 'ust just like the american public did yesterday and we did not have advanced _ yesterday and we did not have advanced notice of this activity president biden has been very clear from before he was elected president and throughout his time in office at the justice — and throughout his time in office at the justice department conducts its investigations independently. the jones, as investigations independently. tue: jones, as attorney investigations independently. tte: jones, as attorney general investigations independently. tt2 jones, as attorney general you could talk to this without merit garland

has been very clear throughout that he wouldn't have taken thatjob if he wouldn't have taken thatjob if he was working to the presidents office. , . �* , he was working to the presidents office. , ., �*, , . office. yes, that's exactly correct. and the president _ office. yes, that's exactly correct. and the president would - office. yes, that's exactly correct. and the president would not - office. yes, that's exactly correct. i and the president would not appoint anyone to that office unless that person was going to be truly independent for that the president said that at the time of the appointment and i think we take all of them at their word. that has been merrick garland's history. he has been a federaljudge, he's been independent we not see it leaks or things happening. i can assure you compared to third world countries are banana republics isjust absurd. it really is an indication that somebody doesn't know the constitution. this was something that was known by the executive branch but it had to be approved. the authorisation did not come from the department ofjustice. it came and a pointy, federaljudge, a third branch of government and that is the huge difference and that is the checks and balances that we have in the united states constitution that is so important. can

the united states constitution that is so important-— is so important. can you be clear, it is related _ is so important. can you be clear, it is related to _ is so important. can you be clear, it is related to the _ is so important. can you be clear, it is related to the removal - is so important. can you be clear, it is related to the removal of - it is related to the removal of classified documents rather than presidential records, this would be a federal crime pretty she did not punishable by five years. we can put on screen what the law actually says with up here it is... would this be disqualifying to him running again if they were in indictment? hat disqualifying to him running again if they were in indictment?- if they were in indictment? not in indictment. _ if they were in indictment? not in indictment, there _ if they were in indictment? not in indictment, there has _ if they were in indictment? not in indictment, there has to - if they were in indictment? not in indictment, there has to be - if they were in indictment? not in indictment, there has to be a - indictment, there has to be a conviction or some kind of finding. they would have to be a conviction. it's more than just destroying documents, it's concealing, mutilating, hiding documents, those kind of things could result in a conviction that at the present time as well as a disqualification from holding federal office.— holding federal office. doug, we said it was _ holding federal office. doug, we said it was unprecedented, - holding federal office. doug, we said it was unprecedented, not l holding federal office. doug, we - said it was unprecedented, not even in nixon's time did they go down and search his house in san clemente.

this is a first and it is a respectful to our you surprised given how politically explosive this was good to be that they kept it so quiet? t’m was good to be that they kept it so cuiet? �* ., was good to be that they kept it so cuiet?�* ., , , , ., was good to be that they kept it so cuiet? .,, ,, ., , ., quiet? i'm not surprised of before doinu so. quiet? i'm not surprised of before doing so- the _ quiet? i'm not surprised of before doing so. the tires _ quiet? i'm not surprised of before doing so. the tires was _ quiet? i'm not surprised of before doing so. the tires was to - quiet? i'm not surprised of beforel doing so. the tires was to operate. what _ doing so. the tires was to operate. what surprises me is that we haven't heard _ what surprises me is that we haven't heard anything from either the fbi or the _ heard anything from either the fbi or the attorney general today to explain — or the attorney general today to explain what they were looking for, see some _ explain what they were looking for, see some of the documentation for the donald trump has that documentation to if you want to show that. documentation to if you want to show that the _ documentation to if you want to show that. the fbi and doj have obviously been suffering from a gap in public credibility— been suffering from a gap in public credibility lately for them and that's not because of merrick garland — that's not because of merrick garland a _ that's not because of merrick garland a christopher rate but that is what _ garland a christopher rate but that is what they are dealing with from what's _ is what they are dealing with from what's left behind from james comey, bill what's left behind from james comey, biii barr— what's left behind from james comey, biii barr in— what's left behind from james comey, bill barr in transparency would be very important for both of them to instiii— very important for both of them to instill some trust because republicans are at least a lot of them _ republicans are at least a lot of them don't want to instill trust in them don't want to instill trust in the doj _ them don't want to instill trust in the doj or— them don't want to instill trust in the doj or rpi, they really want to erode them from the road political purposes —

erode them from the road political --uroses. , .,, erode them from the road political --uroses. , ., . purposes. this has electrified their ri . ht. purposes. this has electrified their right- there _ purposes. this has electrified their right- there is— purposes. this has electrified their right. there is a _ purposes. this has electrified their right. there is a feeling _ purposes. this has electrified their right. there is a feeling that - purposes. this has electrified their right. there is a feeling that some | right. there is a feeling that some in trump world were either waiting for this was at the here's some of the messaging we have in the last 2a hours. marjorie greene who tweeted about an upside down american flag along with calls for the fbi to be defended. we will perhaps talk about that for the former president mike pence tweeted... from the highest minority leader kevin mccarthy... good moment to reiterate that if republicans do overtake the elves investigations will be at the heart are of the majority vote of everything of everyone including the attorney general will be in the cross hairs. trio attorney general will be in the cross hairs-— attorney general will be in the cross hairs. ., ., , ., cross hairs. no doubt about that. i would say everything _ cross hairs. no doubt about that. i would say everything that - cross hairs. no doubt about that. i would say everything that kevin i would say everything that kevin mccarthy said in that statement was

true especially those last three words — true especially those last three words. preserve your documents. if donald _ words. preserve your documents. if donald trump at preservative documents, if hillary did click it had reserves are documents we wouldn't — had reserves are documents we wouldn't have this constant politicalisation of ourjustice system _ politicalisation of ourjustice system when it comes to evil running or have _ system when it comes to evil running or have run _ system when it comes to evil running or have run or— system when it comes to evil running or have run or served president. if we didn't— or have run or served president. if we didn't see picturesjustice which would _ we didn't see picturesjustice which would maybe the abdomen documents ripped _ would maybe the abdomen documents ripped up— would maybe the abdomen documents ripped up documents by the president that is— ripped up documents by the president that is most be preserved thrown in a toilet we — that is most be preserved thrown in a toilet we would be in a situation. that's_ a toilet we would be in a situation. that's ultimately why i think merrick— that's ultimately why i think merrick garland was responding to. there _ merrick garland was responding to. there will— merrick garland was responding to. there will be oversight because it should _ there will be oversight because it should he — there will be oversight because it should be more transparency. once decisions _ should be more transparency. once decisions like these have been made and those _ decisions like these have been made and those orders carried out.- and those orders carried out. donald trump knows — and those orders carried out. donald trump knows classified _ and those orders carried out. donald trump knows classified documents l and those orders carried out. donald l trump knows classified documents are important because this is what he said in 2016. in my administration, i am going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. no one will be above the law.

it was important then it's not so important now. what surprises a lot of people is republicans have been so quick to react in supporting the president. unfortunately, i've been telling republicans for five years, every time _ republicans for five years, every time you — republicans for five years, every time you read a book or see a movie where _ time you read a book or see a movie where somebody makes the deal with the devil— where somebody makes the deal with the devil they ultimately regretted it because it comes with the price. they— it because it comes with the price. they are _ it because it comes with the price. they are still paying the price right— they are still paying the price right now. they had rather put donald trump behind them but the political— donald trump behind them but the political realities they feel that they can't. the concern here isn't what _ they can't. the concern here isn't what kevin mccarthy might've said or even mike _ what kevin mccarthy might've said or even mike pence it's really the marjorie — even mike pence it's really the marjorie taylor greens, the more extreme — marjorie taylor greens, the more extreme the public and members who have taken— extreme the public and members who have taken politically the messaging from democratic of data from the police, _ from democratic of data from the police, use — from democratic of data from the police, use it for their own purposes— police, use it for their own purposes and really threatened what could he _ purposes and really threatened what could he a _ purposes and really threatened what could be a very big election night for republicans. it will be their fault _ for republicans. it will be their fault and — for republicans. it will be their fault and not necessarily donald trumo — fault and not necessarily donald trum -. �* , . , fault and not necessarily donald trum. y~ trump. it's a very american story, the i like trump. it's a very american story, the i like to — trump. it's a very american story, the i like to get _ trump. it's a very american story, the i like to get a _ trump. it's a very american story, the i like to get a british - the i like to get a british respective on it. i'm trying to imagine what would happen in this country if you had a prime minister

who was taking sensitive, classified documents off to his country residence for the methods, sources, people involved in state activity, what would be the reaction in the uk parliament? t what would be the reaction in the uk arliament? ~ what would be the reaction in the uk parliament?— parliament? i think it would be neuative. parliament? i think it would be negative- we _ parliament? i think it would be negative. we have _ parliament? i think it would be negative. we have a _ parliament? i think it would be negative. we have a situation l parliament? i think it would be l negative. we have a situation or we've _ negative. we have a situation or we've had — negative. we have a situation or we've had warm _ negative. we have a situation or we've had warm when _ negative. we have a situation or we've had warm when it - negative. we have a situation or we've had warm when it comesl negative. we have a situation or. we've had warm when it comes to boris _ we've had warm when it comes to borisjohnson, _ we've had warm when it comes to borisjohnson, there _ we've had warm when it comes to boris johnson, there were - we've had warm when it comes toj borisjohnson, there were reports about— borisjohnson, there were reports about sensitive _ borisjohnson, there were reports about sensitive documents - about sensitive documents unconfirmed _ about sensitive documents unconfirmed being - about sensitive documents unconfirmed being in- about sensitive documents unconfirmed being in the l about sensitive documents - unconfirmed being in the downing street— unconfirmed being in the downing street flat, — unconfirmed being in the downing street flat, some _ unconfirmed being in the downing street flat, some accusations - unconfirmed being in the downing. street flat, some accusations flying around _ street flat, some accusations flying around and — street flat, some accusations flying around and that _ street flat, some accusations flying around and that lead _ street flat, some accusations flying around and that lead to _ street flat, some accusations flying around and that lead to security- around and that lead to security concerns — around and that lead to security concerns we _ around and that lead to security concerns. we are ready - around and that lead to security concerns. we are ready have i around and that lead to security concerns. we are ready have iti around and that lead to security. concerns. we are ready have it on government— concerns. we are ready have it on government what's— concerns. we are ready have it on government what's up an - concerns. we are ready have it on government what's up an idea i concerns. we are ready have it oni government what's up an idea that you cannot — government what's up an idea that you cannot get _ government what's up an idea that you cannot get access _ government what's up an idea that you cannot get access to. - government what's up an idea that you cannot get access to. i- government what's up an idea that you cannot get access to. i think i government what's up an idea thatl you cannot get access to. i think we have comparisons _ you cannot get access to. i think we have comparisons in _ you cannot get access to. i think we have comparisons in terms - you cannot get access to. i think we have comparisons in terms of - you cannot get access to. i think we l have comparisons in terms of people uncomfortable — have comparisons in terms of people uncomfortable about _ have comparisons in terms of people uncomfortable about where - uncomfortable about where information _ uncomfortable about where information goes, - uncomfortable about where information goes, how i uncomfortable about where information goes, how you i uncomfortable about where - information goes, how you access it and it— information goes, how you access it and it disappearing. _ information goes, how you access it and it disappearing. you _ information goes, how you access it and it disappearing. you would i and it disappearing. you would expected — and it disappearing. you would expected to _ and it disappearing. you would expected to involve _ and it disappearing. you would i expected to involve investigations. we currently have _ expected to involve investigations. we currently have a _ expected to involve investigations. we currently have a prime - expected to involve investigations. j we currently have a prime minister who is— we currently have a prime minister who is facing — we currently have a prime minister who is facing a _ we currently have a prime minister who is facing a privileges _ we currently have a prime minister. who is facing a privileges committee investigation — who is facing a privileges committee investigation about— who is facing a privileges committee investigation about their _ who is facing a privileges committee investigation about their own - investigation about their own conduct _ investigation about their own conduct i_ investigation about their own conduct. i don't—

investigation about their own conduct. i don't think - investigation about their own conduct. idon't think it's- conduct. idon't think it's completely— conduct. idon't think it's completely far— conduct. idon't think it's completely far off- conduct. idon't think it's completely far off of- conduct. i don't think it'si completely far off of what conduct. i don't think it's- completely far off of what we see here to _ completely far off of what we see here to a — completely far off of what we see here to a degree. _ completely far off of what we see here to a degree. i— completely far off of what we see here to a degree.— completely far off of what we see here to a degree. i suppose the more serious aspect. _ here to a degree. i suppose the more serious aspect, there's _ here to a degree. i suppose the more serious aspect, there's already i here to a degree. i suppose the more serious aspect, there's already been l serious aspect, there's already been reporting about loose tongues of the white house with up if you have a man who is so careless with estate documents with classified information, not only does that affect the question about whether allies like the uk would share secret information with the united states it also begs the question about whether federal agencies would share information with the white house. , ~ share information with the white house. , ,, ., share information with the white house. , ~ ., , ., house. yes. i think that will be a concern when _ house. yes. i think that will be a concern when you _ house. yes. i think that will be a concern when you are _ house. yes. i think that will be a concern when you are looking i house. yes. i think that will be a concern when you are looking at| house. yes. i think that will be a i concern when you are looking at what we call _ concern when you are looking at what we call the _ concern when you are looking at what we call the special— concern when you are looking at what we call the special relationship - concern when you are looking at what we call the special relationship and i we call the special relationship and the fact— we call the special relationship and the fact that — we call the special relationship and the fact that that _ we call the special relationship and the fact that that relationship i we call the special relationship and the fact that that relationship to i the fact that that relationship to the fact that that relationship to the uk — the fact that that relationship to the uk and _ the fact that that relationship to the uk and us— the fact that that relationship to the uk and us is— the fact that that relationship to the uk and us is not— the fact that that relationship to the uk and us is not really- the fact that that relationship to the uk and us is not really onel the fact that that relationship to i the uk and us is not really one of personalities _ the uk and us is not really one of personalities. yes, _ the uk and us is not really one of personalities. yes, personalities. personalities. yes, personalities can improve _ personalities. yes, personalities can improve but _ personalities. yes, personalities can improve but effectively i personalities. yes, personalities can improve but effectively it i personalities. yes, personalities can improve but effectively it is. personalities. yes, personalitiesl can improve but effectively it is a security— can improve but effectively it is a security and _ can improve but effectively it is a security and intelligence - security and intelligence relationship _ security and intelligence relationship that- security and intelligence relationship that stood i security and intelligence i relationship that stood the security and intelligence - relationship that stood the test of time _ relationship that stood the test of time anything _ relationship that stood the test of time. anything that— relationship that stood the test of time. anything that comes - relationship that stood the test of time. anything that comes in i relationship that stood the test of time. anything that comes in the | relationship that stood the test of. time. anything that comes in the mix when _ time. anything that comes in the mix when to— time. anything that comes in the mix when to share — time. anything that comes in the mix when to share their— time. anything that comes in the mix when to share their secrets _ time. anything that comes in the mix when to share their secrets because. when to share their secrets because obviously— when to share their secrets because obviously put — when to share their secrets because obviously put a _ when to share their secrets because obviously put a strain _ when to share their secrets because obviously put a strain and _ when to share their secrets because obviously put a strain and can - obviously put a strain and can change — obviously put a strain and can change how— obviously put a strain and can change how allies _ obviously put a strain and can change how allies work - obviously put a strain and can i change how allies work together.

doug _ change how allies work together. doug jones, _ change how allies work together. dougjones, i— change how allies work together. doug jones, i like _ change how allies work together. doug jones, i like to— change how allies work together. doug jones, i like to dig - change how allies work together. doug jones, i like to dig a - change how allies work together. doug jones, i like to dig a little l doug jones, i like to dig a little deeper into how this was executed. i don't think we can overstate the complexity and planning of conducting a search like this, can we? ., ., , . ., we? know. for this particular mahn in general has _ we? know. for this particular mahn in general has gone _ we? know. for this particular mahn in general has gone to _ we? know. for this particular mahn in general has gone to the - we? know. for this particular mahn in general has gone to the highest. in general has gone to the highest levels with up you can count on the fact that this was a very high bar in order to get the internal generals approval. you start out with an investigation and have a lot of facts —— attorney general. all of the facts that would lead to this would be put into an affidavit and carefully draughted by fbi by review by prosecuting attorneys and then once that affidavit is going to go up once that affidavit is going to go up the chain of command and the directors going to view it, the attorney general is going to view it, everything is going to be reviewed by them, their staff, going to be flashback beyond belief. i cannot imagine at this point. i've been through as a prosecutor a number of incidents of some very

high—profile executions of search warrants but nothing like this. and the demands that were placed on everyone to make sure they got it right. that has to literally be walked over to the federal courthouse, someone sits in front of a federaljudge, raises their hand and is placed under oath, swears that the affidavit is true, answers questions that the court may have and a judicial branch of government then signs off on the execution of then signs off on the execution of the ward. then you've got to execute that warrant. and you've got to execute it in a way that is not involving transparency. you can get down there. as we've heard is that the fbi gave appropriately the secret service a heads up. they will let them know they were coming. i think they executed this warrant constantly, when donald trump was in new york so they wouldn't be any more circus —like atmosphere than it already was around this. it was

incredible planning. the one thing i like to say, a little bit in response, i don't think we need transparencyjust response, i don't think we need transparency just yet on the circumstances surrounding this. this is incredibly consequential investigation and any public statements right now about the who, the wide, the aware of what they were looking for, i believe is a former prosecutor would jeopardise that investigation. i think this evidence will come out. i think there will be transparency at some time but not right now, not as they are piecing all these pieces of the puzzle together. t’m are piecing all these pieces of the puzzle together.— are piecing all these pieces of the puzzle together. i'm thinking back to the time _ puzzle together. i'm thinking back to the time in _ puzzle together. i'm thinking back to the time in 2016 _ puzzle together. i'm thinking back to the time in 2016 when - puzzle together. i'm thinking back to the time in 2016 when james i to the time in 2016 whenjames called me came out, do then head of the fbi and explained what he was doing, investigating hillary clinton six weeks before investigation and all hell broke loose because of that. in no way you're damned if you do damned if you don't. the problem is, the narrative is being set by the trump family. i wonder how long you can let that permeate, that idea

that the deep state is digging around in the affairs of the former president. around in the affairs of the former resident. . �* , around in the affairs of the former resident. ., �* , ., , president. that's part of my concerns — president. that's part of my concerns are _ president. that's part of my concerns are tough - president. that's part of my i concerns are tough especially president. that's part of my - concerns are tough especially given the erosion in confidence that americans have in any institution certainly— americans have in any institution certainly but the particularly the department ofjustice and the fbi of the past _ department ofjustice and the fbi of the past five or six years. with the investigation into hillary clinton, everything that went on under donald trumps— everything that went on under donald trumps tenure and the divisions we have in— trumps tenure and the divisions we have in america right now. this is notjust_ have in america right now. this is notjust throwing up pedicle factions _ notjust throwing up pedicle factions. last night once it was announced, if you look at the charge civil war— announced, if you look at the charge civil war being used on twitter it spiked it — civil war being used on twitter it spiked it away we've never seen before — spiked it away we've never seen before. these circumstances and the stakes _ before. these circumstances and the stakes here — before. these circumstances and the stakes here are a bit higher than they are — stakes here are a bit higher than they are in — stakes here are a bit higher than they are in most investigations, obviously— they are in most investigations, obviously but also what that means for the _ obviously but also what that means for the country moving forward. if for the country moving forward. [t you for the country moving forward. you exercise for the country moving forward. tt you exercise a federal warrant in this way, doug jones, and you are looking for evidence of crime eeh and then you uncover evidence relating to crime b, can it be used in that respect and doesn't

therefore have a bearing on the federal grand jury investigation into january six was back you certainly can use it.— into january six was back you certainly can use it. once a warrant is authorised _ certainly can use it. once a warrant is authorised and _ certainly can use it. once a warrant is authorised and executed - certainly can use it. once a warrant is authorised and executed it i certainly can use it. once a warrant is authorised and executed it you i is authorised and executed it you can seize evidence of a crime even its not necessarily visibly it's not necessarily visibly described in the warrant. yes, it can be used. it may be used at another count of indictment, and other indictment, it could be used against other individuals. once you get that probable cause to enter, agents can't simply ignore evidence of crime and not seize that evidence. i think as we've heard, this was about one but we all... is not rocket science, it's a thing that this investigation goes much beyond the classified documents that may have been secreted down and possibly even destroyed or mutilated down at mar—a—lago. this is a very broad investigation and if there was evidence of crime down there and the

agents sorry that they could absolutely seize it and ultimately use that evidence down the road if they indict a case. eric use that evidence down the road if they indict a case.— they indict a case. eric trump settin: they indict a case. eric trump setting outs. _ they indict a case. eric trump setting outs, lots _ they indict a case. eric trump setting outs, lots of - they indict a case. eric trump setting outs, lots of people i they indict a case. eric trump i setting outs, lots of people who think this will bring forward his announcement that he is going on in 2024. what will the allies i think of that? qt 2024. what will the allies i think of that? . ., , ., 2024. what will the allies i think ofthat? , ., ., ., of that? of course we are having a chance of that? of course we are having a change of government _ of that? of course we are having a change of government here. i i of that? of course we are having a| change of government here. i think we saw— change of government here. i think we saw boris — change of government here. i think we saw boris johnson _ change of government here. i think we saw boris johnson when - change of government here. i think we saw boris johnson when he i change of government here. i think we saw borisjohnson when he was| we saw boris johnson when he was still technically— we saw boris johnson when he was still technically prime _ we saw boris johnson when he was still technically prime minister- we saw boris johnson when he was still technically prime minister but| still technically prime minister but soon not _ still technically prime minister but soon not to— still technically prime minister but soon not to be _ still technically prime minister but soon not to be during _ still technically prime minister but soon not to be during his- still technically prime minister but soon not to be during his primary. soon not to be during his primary ship initially— soon not to be during his primary ship initially tried _ soon not to be during his primary ship initially tried things - soon not to be during his primary ship initially tried things in- ship initially tried things in common— ship initially tried things in common with _ ship initially tried things in common with donald i ship initially tried things in. common with donald trump ship initially tried things in- common with donald trump and ship initially tried things in— common with donald trump and then quite quickly— common with donald trump and then quite quickly pivoted _ common with donald trump and then quite quickly pivoted once _ common with donald trump and then quite quickly pivoted once joe - common with donald trump and then quite quickly pivoted once joe biden. quite quickly pivoted once joe biden was in _ quite quickly pivoted once joe biden was in in _ quite quickly pivoted once joe biden was in in a _ quite quickly pivoted once joe biden was in in a way— quite quickly pivoted once joe biden was in in a way that— quite quickly pivoted once joe biden was in in a way that i— quite quickly pivoted once joe biden was in in a way that i think- quite quickly pivoted once joe biden was in in a way that i think that- was in in a way that i think that some trump— was in in a way that i think that some trump supporters, - was in in a way that i think that some trump supporters, allies| was in in a way that i think that. some trump supporters, allies of donald _ some trump supporters, allies of donald trump _ some trump supporters, allies of donald trump less _ some trump supporters, allies of donald trump less than - some trump supporters, allies of donald trump less than happy. i i donald trump less than happy. i think— donald trump less than happy. i think where _ donald trump less than happy. i think where it _ donald trump less than happy. i think where it is _ donald trump less than happy. i think where it is liz— donald trump less than happy. i think where it is liz truss - donald trump less than happy. i think where it is liz truss rishi i think where it is liz truss rishi sunak. — think where it is liz truss rishi sunak. i— think where it is liz truss rishi sunak, i think— think where it is liz truss rishi sunak, i think ultimately i think where it is liz truss rishi sunak, i think ultimately the i think where it is liz truss rishi i sunak, i think ultimately the sense of the _ sunak, i think ultimately the sense of the tory— sunak, i think ultimately the sense of the tory government _ sunak, i think ultimately the sense of the tory government when i sunak, i think ultimately the sense i of the tory government when donald was president. — of the tory government when donald was president, he _ of the tory government when donald was president, he was—

of the tory government when donald was president, he was actually- of the tory government when donald was president, he was actually a - was president, he was actually a very difficult _ was president, he was actually a very difficult president, - was president, he was actually a very difficult president, even - very difficult president, even though— very difficult president, even though he _ very difficult president, even though he was— very difficult president, even though he was someone - very difficult president, eveni though he was someone who very difficult president, even - though he was someone who said he loved _ though he was someone who said he loved great — though he was someone who said he loved great britain _ though he was someone who said he loved great britain and _ though he was someone who said he loved great britain and so _ though he was someone who said he loved great britain and so forth - though he was someone who said he loved great britain and so forth he . loved great britain and so forth he was so _ loved great britain and so forth he was so unpredictable _ loved great britain and so forth he was so unpredictable it _ loved great britain and so forth he i was so unpredictable it made things very difficult — was so unpredictable it made things very difficult to _ was so unpredictable it made things very difficult to do _ was so unpredictable it made things very difficult to do just _ was so unpredictable it made things very difficult to do just the - was so unpredictable it made things very difficult to do just the teresa . very difficult to do just the teresa mae affair— very difficult to do just the teresa mae affair when— very difficult to do just the teresa mae affair when she _ very difficult to do just the teresa mae affair when she was - very difficult to do just the teresa mae affair when she was prime i mae affair when she was prime minister — mae affair when she was prime minister 0"— mae affair when she was prime minister. ,, h, mae affair when she was prime minister. ., ,., g , minister. on that point. just with all the controversy _ minister. on that point. just with all the controversy and _ minister. on that point. just with all the controversy and the - minister. on that point. just with all the controversy and the new | all the controversy and the new psychosis or i am tim. i'm wondering, we've got to start contemplating this, —— news cycles. this is a nothing burger. again i hand the nomination to them. maybe even the presidency. allies will be starting to think about it. ijust wondering whether a prime minister could ever walk hand—in—hand on the steps of the oval office on the basis of everything that's gone before. i think it's even trickier now. if donald trump turns to the white house is even more complicated. mi white house is even more complicated.— white house is even more complicated. white house is even more comlicated. �* . . complicated. all the things we 'ust discussed about i complicated. all the things we 'ust discussed about how i complicated. all the things we justl discussed about how unpredictable, all the _ discussed about how unpredictable, all the baggage _ discussed about how unpredictable, all the baggage he _ discussed about how unpredictable, all the baggage he comes _ discussed about how unpredictable, all the baggage he comes with. - discussed about how unpredictable, all the baggage he comes with. i. all the baggage he comes with. i think— all the baggage he comes with. i think there — all the baggage he comes with. i think there is _ all the baggage he comes with. i think there is an _ all the baggage he comes with. i think there is an even _ all the baggage he comes with. i think there is an even greater. think there is an even greater challenge, _ think there is an even greater challenge, but— think there is an even greater challenge, but he _ think there is an even greater challenge, but he already - challenge, but he already had protesters _ challenge, but he already had protesters when _ challenge, but he already had protesters when he _ challenge, but he already had protesters when he was - challenge, but he already had - protesters when he was president the first time _

protesters when he was president the first time around. _ protesters when he was president the first time around. i _ protesters when he was president the first time around. ithink— protesters when he was president the first time around. i think it _ protesters when he was president the first time around. i think it will- first time around. i think it will be a _ first time around. i think it will be a diplomatic— first time around. i think it will be a diplomatic type _ first time around. i think it will be a diplomatic type rope if- first time around. i think it will- be a diplomatic type rope if donald trump _ be a diplomatic type rope if donald trump is _ be a diplomatic type rope if donald trump is to— be a diplomatic type rope if donald trump is to enter— be a diplomatic type rope if donald trump is to enter the _ be a diplomatic type rope if donald trump is to enter the white - be a diplomatic type rope if donald trump is to enter the white house | trump is to enter the white house was up _ trump is to enter the white house was up at — trump is to enter the white house was up at the _ trump is to enter the white house was up at the same _ trump is to enter the white house was up at the same time, - trump is to enter the white house was up at the same time, that- trump is to enter the white house was up at the same time, that you as, uk_ was up at the same time, that you as, uk relationship— was up at the same time, that you as, uk relationship is— was up at the same time, that you as, uk relationship is so— was up at the same time, that you j as, uk relationship is so important to the _ as, uk relationship is so important to the uk— as, uk relationship is so important to the uk government _ as, uk relationship is so important to the uk government they- as, uk relationship is so important to the uk government they will- as, uk relationship is so important. to the uk government they will have to the uk government they will have to find _ to the uk government they will have to find a _ to the uk government they will have to find a way— to the uk government they will have to find a way to _ to the uk government they will have to find a way to make _ to the uk government they will have to find a way to make it _ to the uk government they will have to find a way to make it work. - to find a way to make it work. there's — to find a way to make it work. there's tots _ to find a way to make it work. there's lots of— to find a way to make it work. there's lots of leaders - to find a way to make it work. there's lots of leaders that i there's lots of leaders that ultimately _ there's lots of leaders that ultimately prime _ there's lots of leaders that ultimately prime ministers| there's lots of leaders that - ultimately prime ministers have to be carefui— ultimately prime ministers have to be careful but— ultimately prime ministers have to be careful but i— ultimately prime ministers have to be careful but i think— ultimately prime ministers have to be careful but i think it— ultimately prime ministers have to be careful but i think it would - ultimately prime ministers have to be careful but i think it would be . be careful but i think it would be even _ be careful but i think it would be even more — be careful but i think it would be even more of— be careful but i think it would be even more of a _ be careful but i think it would be even more of a test _ be careful but i think it would be even more of a test in _ be careful but i think it would be even more of a test in terms - be careful but i think it would be even more of a test in terms ofi be careful but i think it would be . even more of a test in terms of how far you _ even more of a test in terms of how far you go _ even more of a test in terms of how far you go to— even more of a test in terms of how faryou go to keep— even more of a test in terms of how far you go to keep relations- even more of a test in terms of how far you go to keep relations in- even more of a test in terms of how far you go to keep relations in a - far you go to keep relations in a good _ far you go to keep relations in a good place _ far you go to keep relations in a good place without _ far you go to keep relations in a| good place without overstepping far you go to keep relations in a i good place without overstepping it and going — good place without overstepping it and going so — good place without overstepping it and going so far— good place without overstepping it and going so far is _ good place without overstepping it and going so far is a _ good place without overstepping it and going so far is a domestic- and going so far is a domestic backiash— and going so far is a domestic backlash with _ and going so far is a domestic backlash with up _ and going so far is a domestic backlash with up as _ and going so far is a domestic- backlash with up as well concerns about— backlash with up as well concerns about internationally _ backlash with up as well concerns about internationally if— backlash with up as well concerns about internationally if you - backlash with up as well concerns about internationally if you don'ti about internationally if you don't know _ about internationally if you don't know what — about internationally if you don't know what that _ about internationally if you don't know what that person _ about internationally if you don't know what that person is - about internationally if you don't know what that person is going i about internationally if you don'ti know what that person is going to do. ~ . know what that person is going to do. . . . , ., know what that person is going to do. . . . ., know what that person is going to do. what about the timing of this? surel in do. what about the timing of this? surely in merrick— do. what about the timing of this? surely in merrick garland's - do. what about the timing of this? surely in merrick garland's in - do. what about the timing of this? surely in merrick garland's in mind the midterms are front and centre. there is a 90 day buffer that they tend to observe. do you think that's why we had to search this week? ihlat why we had to search this week? iirrt necessarily. donald trump is not on the ballot. . , .., the ballot. certainly he could influence _ the ballot. certainly he could influence things _ the ballot. certainly he could influence things by _ the ballot. certainly he could influence things by declaring | the ballot. certainly he could - influence things by declaring that he is _ influence things by declaring that he is running but if he did so would be declaring that is running for something two years from now, not

the selection. it certainly changes the selection. it certainly changes the compensation politically a little — the compensation politically a little bit but it doesn't directly affect — little bit but it doesn't directly affect donald trump going for reelection. let me say to your previous— reelection. let me say to your previous question, if he were to run and win— previous question, if he were to run and win again, kim derek was a good friend— and win again, kim derek was a good friend of— and win again, kim derek was a good friend of mine and he was a fantastic— friend of mine and he was a fantastic ambassador for the united kingdom _ fantastic ambassador for the united kingdom here in washington and we saw it— kingdom here in washington and we saw it happen with him. he lost his 'ob saw it happen with him. he lost his job despite — saw it happen with him. he lost his job despite or because he did such a -ood job despite or because he did such a good iob~ _ job despite or because he did such a good job. and while karen pierce is a great _ good job. and while karen pierce is a great ambassador for the uk as well we _ a great ambassador for the uk as well we know that whether it's her who comes next if donald trump comes back and _ who comes next if donald trump comes back and it _ who comes next if donald trump comes back and it oval office although same _ back and it oval office although same problems come all over again. indeed _ same problems come all over again. indeed so~ _ same problems come all over again. indeed so. can we talk about whether you think it brings forward him announcing that he'll run again? i want to talk to you as a former chair of the gop i understand it would be very costly for him to do that because the gop at the moment are paying his legal bills, which could be quite expensive in of what is happening. could be quite expensive in of what is happening-— is happening. what's interesting is the republican _

is happening. what's interesting is the republican national— is happening. what's interesting is| the republican national committee has very— the republican national committee has very specific rules are what they can — has very specific rules are what they can and can't do. if he decides to run— they can and can't do. if he decides to run the _ they can and can't do. if he decides to run the rnc by their own rules have _ to run the rnc by their own rules have to remain completely neutral. that starts — have to remain completely neutral. that starts with not pay any legal bills _ that starts with not pay any legal bills it _ that starts with not pay any legal bills. it also means they can't endorse — bills. it also means they can't endorse him in any way unless individual— endorse him in any way unless individual states to clear him the official— individual states to clear him the official candidate. if kevin mccarthy running for reelection right— mccarthy running for reelection right now— mccarthy running for reelection right now does not have the state of california _ right now does not have the state of california declaring him the republican party of california, declaring him their candidate and that congressional district that most — that congressional district that most of— that congressional district that most of the charges doesn't they don't _ most of the charges doesn't they don't support kevin mccarthy for reelection. and until he gets to the primary _ reelection. and until he gets to the primary so — reelection. and until he gets to the primary. so donald trump will have some _ primary. so donald trump will have some hurdles and there will be other people _ some hurdles and there will be other people looking for any opportunity they can _ people looking for any opportunity they can to take him out. not just members — they can to take him out. not just members of congress who are tired of playing _ members of congress who are tired of playing drums game and backing them up playing drums game and backing them up all the _ playing drums game and backing them up all the time but also those republicans who are looking to run and see _ republicans who are looking to run and see this as their last chance to do so _ and see this as their last chance to do so. g. , and see this as their last chance to doso. , .,~ and see this as their last chance to doso. , ., do so. doug jones, can we talk about the 3596 of republicans _ do so. doug jones, can we talk about the 3596 of republicans that - do so. doug jones, can we talk about the 3596 of republicans that is -

do so. doug jones, can we talk about the 3596 of republicans that is the . the 35% of republicans that is the hard bassford donald trump? in a state like yours for instance where there are some hard—core trump supporters. how are they can react to this? we've seen some fairly alarming things on social media in the last 2a hours. people talk about civil war, you got marjorie taylor greene turning the flag upside down. does that are you? absolutely, there's no question about it. even what concerns me as much is nas that we have folks like that on the right who literally believe, for whatever reason and most of the reasons are not accurate, not factual but that democracy is being stolen from them. we have folks in the democratic party believing democracy is being stolen from them. both sides truly believe that. that's why you see so many rise the term the civil war after what happened. yes, we saw in the united what happened onjanuary six, we've now seen evidence of how that was stoped by a former

president and a number of groups that supported him. so it is not beyond the imagination at all to see that there could be violence out of this. what terry said, i lived in that time in alabama what we had dog whistle politics where somebody say the words the words themselves were a lot of hard rhetoric that they are dog whistles for people to go out and commit violence. that's what i think people don't fully appreciate. the kind of garbage that's coming out of marjorie taylor green smoke right now that there are people out there that are hearing something very and they are willing to take up arms and do things that harm people. that's a very frightening place for this country to be in. i that's a very frightening place for this country to be in.— that's a very frightening place for this country to be in. i know you've better leave _ this country to be in. i know you've better leave us _ this country to be in. i know you've better leave us at _ this country to be in. i know you've better leave us at the _ this country to be in. i know you've better leave us at the break - this country to be in. i know you've better leave us at the break but. this country to be in. i know you've better leave us at the break but i l better leave us at the break but i want to give you the last word. this idea that if this was nothing, if this was just archiving, what sort of damage is not going to do to the

democrats into the attorney generals office? that has to be more to it than that, doesn't it?— than that, doesn't it? yes. i think there will be _ than that, doesn't it? yes. i think there will be more _ than that, doesn't it? yes. i think there will be more to _ than that, doesn't it? yes. i think there will be more to this, - than that, doesn't it? yes. i think there will be more to this, if- than that, doesn't it? yes. i think| there will be more to this, if there was not anything other than this, i don't think the attorney general of the united states would have done this. they would've tried to get these documents another way. this is very significant, it's very consequential. i don't think you're going to see these so—called nothing burger. that doesn't mean that there may be indictments out of this but there are going to be consequences out of this for a number of people. and itjust remains to be seen how high up it goes. regardless, you will never satisfied that extremist baysin will never satisfied that extremist bays in the republican party right now that believes that they are just out to get them. it's unfortunate that the republican party that i grew up with, even though i wasn't a republican is no longer the

law—abiding. republican is no longer the law-abiding-_ republican is no longer the law-abidinu. �* ., republican is no longer the law-abidinu. ., ., law-abiding. budget have you on the rouramme law-abiding. budget have you on the programme this _ law-abiding. budget have you on the programme this evening. _ law-abiding. budget have you on the programme this evening. we - law-abiding. budget have you on the programme this evening. we will- programme this evening. we will carry on after the break. any energy crisis that's going on in the uk. stay with us. hello. well, the heat wave is upon us, but it'll take a few days before we get those really high temperatures. the high pressure's with us, it's been here for such a long time now. hardly any rainfall, obviously, for many parts of the country — and it'll stay—bone dry at least for the rest of this week, and possibly into the weekend. here's the morning weather — so sunshine and temperatures of around 15 celsius. that's at their lowest there in london, similar values in western scotland. and what can i say? sunshine right from the word go tomorrow, just a bit of cloud in the northwest there in stornoway, 18 celsius, no heatwave — whereas we've got the high—205 in northern england, 30 in the peak district, easily into the 305 across southern england and parts of wales. and then on thursday,

we start to see that hotter stream of air out of the near continent spreading across england into wales and southwestern england, and also ireland, where it'll be very hot, too. so this is when the extreme heat warning comes into force — it's valid from thursday into sunday, and that'll be a sort of extended peak of heat, if you like. so notjust the one hot day, but a few hot days in a row, possibly into the mid—305 quite widely. and you can see on thursday — wylie, 3a—35 celsius across southern and central england, possibly parts of wales, too. 28 for newcastle, around 30 or so likely in yorkshire. by friday, 31 in liverpool — and you can see 35 there in london, but much fresher in northern parts of scotland. how hot? well, not the dizzy heights of a0 celsius we saw last time. i suspect around 36 or so, give or take a degree, by the time we get to friday and possibly into saturday, as well. and there's that extended period of heat lasting a few days.

by the time we get to sunday, just hint of maybe a couple of degrees lower. and then, when we get into monday, that's when we start to see fresher air arriving. so, yes, there will be an end to the heatwave, obviously, and a breakdown on the way — and more importantly, we are forecasting some rainfall. so the thinking is that, come sunday, we'll see thunderstorms across france, some of them may drift into southern parts of the uk sunday night into monday. but i think by the time we get to monday, we've got that fresher atlantic air and scattered, only scattered showers. bye— bye.

hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. it is getting hotter. another heat wave is descedning on europe, atjust the wrong time. the continent is ravaged by drought. northern italy hasn't had rain for 200 days. here in the uk, some 15 million people in southern england will soon be under water restrictions as the reservoirs dry up. and the heat compounds an energy crisis, as the latest forecast on household bills, predicts yet another rise here in the uk of 81%. we'll get our panel's reaction tonight to the death of olivia newton—john — with lots of people talking about the impact she had both on and off screen. still with us here on the context — katy balls, deputy political editor of the spectator, and the republican

strategist doug heye. welcome back. europe is living through one of its driest, hottest summers in living memory. the drought alerts are in place for much of the continent. in northern italy, home to a third of the country's population and one of europe's main agricultural regions, there has been little or no rain for more than 200 days. this is the loire river, in france. 50 low that in some places that it can now be crossed on foot. the french prime minister says it's the worst drought ever recorded in france. and this is what much of europe looks like. these are the parks here in london usually vibrant and green — now parched yellow. and across the continent there are severe restrictions to water use. hosepipe bans set to be expanded to a further 15 million people here in the uk. the experts said today the drought conditions are likely

to extend until october. i'm joned by niko wanders, assistant professor of hydrological extremes at utrecht university in the netherlands. ifi if i can put my teeth back in. welcome to the programme, thank you for being with us. spell it out for us, how bad do you think this drought is in historical proportions? if drought is in historical proportions?— drought is in historical proportions? drought is in historical --roortions? ., , proportions? if you look at the size and magnitude _ proportions? if you look at the size and magnitude of _ proportions? if you look at the size and magnitude of the _ proportions? if you look at the size and magnitude of the current - and magnitude of the current situation, we can say this is really one of the most severe, or maybe the most severe drought ever seen in europe. most severe drought ever seen in euro e. �* ., most severe drought ever seen in euroe. �* ., ., most severe drought ever seen in euroe. . ., ., , most severe drought ever seen in euroe. �* ., ., europe. and one of the impacts of that, that people _ europe. and one of the impacts of that, that people might _ europe. and one of the impacts of that, that people might not - europe. and one of the impacts of that, that people might not see? l europe. and one of the impacts of. that, that people might not see? -- what that, that people might not see? » what are the impacts? that, that people might not see? -- what are the impacts? we _ that, that people might not see? -- what are the impacts? we need, - that, that people might not see? -- what are the impacts? we need, for examle, what are the impacts? we need, for example. water— what are the impacts? we need, for example, water to _ what are the impacts? we need, for example, water to cool _ what are the impacts? we need, for example, water to cool the - example, water to cool the electricity production, but also we have hydra powered that gives us electricity. it's something we have here in our country were basically

saltwater is threatening the drinking water supply, or land subsidence is also a thing where slowly the soil is actually collapsing because it loses its water and basically never comes back up water and basically never comes back up again. 50 water and basically never comes back u.a.ain. , ., water and basically never comes back u- aaain. , ., ., up again. so these are long-term effects of a _ up again. so these are long-term effects of a drought _ up again. so these are long-term effects of a drought that - up again. so these are long-term effects of a drought that we - up again. so these are long-term effects of a drought that we are l effects of a drought that we are experiencing now?— experiencing now? yes, it's something _ experiencing now? yes, it's something you _ experiencing now? yes, it's something you can - experiencing now? yes, it's something you can see - experiencing now? yes, it's. something you can see that's experiencing now? yes, it's- something you can see that's built up something you can see that's built up over weeks or months, something we are seeing now. up over weeks or months, something we are seeing now— we are seeing now. looking at these reservoirs all— we are seeing now. looking at these reservoirs all over _ we are seeing now. looking at these reservoirs all over europe _ we are seeing now. looking at these reservoirs all over europe in - we are seeing now. looking at these reservoirs all over europe in the - reservoirs all over europe in the united states, to the hosepipes make a difference?— a difference? domestic water use by households is _ a difference? domestic water use by households is quite _ a difference? domestic water use by households is quite a _ a difference? domestic water use by households is quite a big _ a difference? domestic water use by households is quite a big proportion| households is quite a big proportion of the water use that we have. the high quality of water is difficult to make under these conditions, you can see the water quality deteriorating across europe because it gets warmer, as well, and that makes it more difficult to give that same drinking water supply, we see

problems already in france and italy, by limiting our uptake of drinking water, we can last longer but the resources we currently have. what is the water management like on the european continent? i'll talk to katie shortly about the route here, about how we manage water, the leaks and whether we invest enough. does it make a difference to have public ownership, state ownership of the water companies? taste ownership, state ownership of the water companies?— ownership, state ownership of the water companies? we do see that it makes it a bit _ water companies? we do see that it makes it a bit easier— water companies? we do see that it makes it a bit easier to _ water companies? we do see that it makes it a bit easier to really - makes it a bit easier to really invest long term and some of the company strategies, to have alternative water sources during drought periods, for example. and also there is a bigger national wide strategy —— nation wide strategy to make drinking water available in the future. i’iiii

make drinking water available in the future. �* . ~ make drinking water available in the future. �* ., ~ ., ., future. i'll talk to doug, a republican _ future. i'll talk to doug, a republican about - future. i'll talk to doug, a republican about climate | future. i'll talk to doug, a - republican about climate change future. i'll talk to doug, a _ republican about climate change and whether his party will change its views. tell him how closely this matches the prediction models. taste matches the prediction models. we ran matches the prediction models. , ran these prediction models for the last 120 years, we basically do at historic assimilation and see whether or not these trends we observe in the records — what we see is frighteningly accurate, we see that we can reproduce those trends that we can reproduce those trends that we've seen, it rivers in europe, it also gives us confidence when we look to the future, in a warmerfuture, that when we look to the future, in a warmer future, that we can also predict those trends into the future. the picture isn't pretty, with more droughts, more floods — so both work streams due to the warmer weather. the public support for the water companies at the moment is about as low as the water table. when you look back at what they've invested over the years, yes, it doubled

during the 19905, but it's flatlined since then. and we knew it was a problem by the amount of sewage the pump and our season reservoirs —— into our seas and reservoirs. is there a case growing in the uk for there a case growing in the uk for the nationalisation of water? talking of nationalisation, there's lots of point —— to point to in terms of where it's gone wrong, and it's a good example of where privatisation, there hasn't met enough checks, and we are now seeing the consequences of this. everyone points to the drought, saying this is why, but even when you take the immediate weather aside, there has to be behavioural change in terms of how much water reuse, and that might be necessary regardless, but should have plans in place to prepare the country better for this. so have plans in place to prepare the country betterfor this. so i think there's an argument towards nationalisation. however, ithink there's an argument towards nationalisation. however, i think in a way it almost... nationalising in

the sense of what appears to have failed here is companies not doing what they really need to be doing, and perhaps more checks, more incentives or demands on these companies, you'd have a situation where you'd go in the states. it's not beyond repair, but they put themselves in a difficult place. we talk about nationalisation but at the moment, the consumer cannot choose which water comes out of their tap. so it's a situation where this is one of the tricky parts of the situation is.— this is one of the tricky parts of the situation is. doug, what's the situation in _ the situation is. doug, what's the situation in the _ the situation is. doug, what's the situation in the us _ the situation is. doug, what's the situation in the us with _ the situation is. doug, what's the situation in the us with water - situation in the us with water ownership? i'm looking at a0 states in the us currently experiencing drought, 11 of them facing severe drought, 11 of them facing severe drought, states like texas, california and arizona. we were talking to amanda last week about

the spot prices in california, the highest on record — how is water managed in the united states, and is it now managed as a precious resource?— it now managed as a precious resource? , ., ., , , ., resource? yes and no, it depends on where ou resource? yes and no, it depends on where you are- _ resource? yes and no, it depends on where you are. we _ resource? yes and no, it depends on where you are. we have _ resource? yes and no, it depends on where you are. we have regional- where you are. we have regional monopolies that work with public partnerships, in some cases county governments will run things. and this all— governments will run things. and this all goes back to the water wars, — this all goes back to the water wars, which is what they are called out west. — wars, which is what they are called out west, starting in california where, — out west, starting in california where, as— out west, starting in california where, as california really started to develop and install battles between cities needing drinking water— between cities needing drinking water and other uses of water, versus— water and other uses of water, versus farmlands that need water to .row versus farmlands that need water to grow crops — versus farmlands that need water to grow crops - — versus farmlands that need water to grow crops — those battles are still happening — grow crops — those battles are still happening today. the movie chinatown was based _ happening today. the movie chinatown was based on that in the 1930s, we are still— was based on that in the 1930s, we are still seeing that today but with much _ are still seeing that today but with much more drought notjust in california, _ much more drought notjust in california, but in arizona and nevada, _ california, but in arizona and nevada, the colorado river, for instance. — nevada, the colorado river, for instance, where we see instances like take — instance, where we see instances like lake mead where the water has fallen— like lake mead where the water has fallen so— like lake mead where the water has fallen so far we are now founding

bodies _ fallen so far we are now founding bodies that were thrown into the lake outside las vegas but to —— potentially — lake outside las vegas but to —— potentially because of mob hits. these _ potentially because of mob hits. these stories might comical but there _ these stories might comical but there are — these stories might comical but there are real consequences to grapple — there are real consequences to grapple with. there are real consequences to grapple with-— there are real consequences to uraule with. ., ,, , , grapple with. you think the publican -a grapple with. you think the publican party starting _ grapple with. you think the publican party starting to _ grapple with. you think the publican party starting to shift? _ grapple with. you think the publican party starting to shift? some - grapple with. you think the publican j party starting to shift? some people argue this is cyclical, but you just heard the science would appear to be indisputable. it’s heard the science would appear to be indisputable-— indisputable. it's cyclical, it's geographical. _ indisputable. it's cyclical, it's geographical, it's _ indisputable. it's cyclical, it's geographical, it's partisan, i indisputable. it's cyclical, it'sl geographical, it's partisan, it's allthe — geographical, it's partisan, it's all the above. part of their publican— all the above. part of their publican party are very interested in green — publican party are very interested in green technology and what we can do to— in green technology and what we can do to battle — in green technology and what we can do to battle climate change for various — do to battle climate change for various reasons. in some cases, it's because _ various reasons. in some cases, it's because they — various reasons. in some cases, it's because they have solar or wind in their— because they have solar or wind in their districts. if you're a republican member of congress from iowa republican member of congress from iowa or— republican member of congress from iowa or a _ republican member of congress from iowa or a senator, you love wind in a way— iowa or a senator, you love wind in a way you — iowa or a senator, you love wind in a way you wouldn't if you are from north— a way you wouldn't if you are from north carolina. so all these play different— north carolina. so all these play different roles, but there's obviously, in this ties into donald trump _ obviously, in this ties into donald trump quite a bit, a big part of the party— trump quite a bit, a big part of the party where — trump quite a bit, a big part of the party where the more trump loving you are. _ party where the more trump loving you are. the —

party where the more trump loving you are, the more you scoff at climate — you are, the more you scoff at climate change or you use as a crutch — climate change or you use as a crutch. ~ . ~ ., ::'j~ , ., crutch. we talked about 2018 being a one in 500 year _ crutch. we talked about 2018 being a one in 500 year drought, _ crutch. we talked about 2018 being a one in 500 year drought, yet - crutch. we talked about 2018 being a one in 500 year drought, yet here i one in 500 year drought, yet here we are again — do wejust have one in 500 year drought, yet here we are again — do we just have to accept that the records we set will be broken on a more regular basis? i'm afraid that's what we will see. there's— i'm afraid that's what we will see. there's still some _ i'm afraid that's what we will see. there's still some coincidence, i i'm afraid that's what we will see. i there's still some coincidence, you can have _ there's still some coincidence, you can have extreme _ there's still some coincidence, you can have extreme events _ there's still some coincidence, you can have extreme events and - can have extreme events and sometimes _ can have extreme events and sometimes two _ can have extreme events and sometimes two years - can have extreme events and sometimes two years in - can have extreme events and sometimes two years in a - can have extreme events and. sometimes two years in a row, can have extreme events and - sometimes two years in a row, but we do see _ sometimes two years in a row, but we do see it _ sometimes two years in a row, but we do see it now— sometimes two years in a row, but we do see it now happening _ sometimes two years in a row, but we do see it now happening frequently. do see it now happening frequently that we _ do see it now happening frequently that we are — do see it now happening frequently that we are breaking _ do see it now happening frequently that we are breaking more - do see it now happening frequently that we are breaking more recordsi that we are breaking more records across— that we are breaking more records across the — that we are breaking more records across the globe, _ that we are breaking more records across the globe, seeing - that we are breaking more records across the globe, seeing more - that we are breaking more records. across the globe, seeing more record droughts _ across the globe, seeing more record droughts in _ across the globe, seeing more record droughts in the — across the globe, seeing more record droughts in the us, _ across the globe, seeing more record droughts in the us, but— across the globe, seeing more record droughts in the us, but also - across the globe, seeing more record droughts in the us, but also in- droughts in the us, but also in africa. — droughts in the us, but also in africa, chile, _ droughts in the us, but also in africa, chile, europe— droughts in the us, but also in africa, chile, europe — - droughts in the us, but also in africa, chile, europe — the - droughts in the us, but also in- africa, chile, europe — the evidence basically— africa, chile, europe — the evidence basically builds— africa, chile, europe — the evidence basically builds up _ africa, chile, europe — the evidence basically builds up on _ africa, chile, europe — the evidence basically builds up on that. - africa, chile, europe — the evidence basically builds up on that. we - africa, chile, europe - the evidence basically builds up on that.- basically builds up on that. we will think about — basically builds up on that. we will think about that _ basically builds up on that. we will think about that through _ basically builds up on that. we will think about that through the - basically builds up on that. we will think about that through the next | think about that through the next week. thank you very much. just when you thought it could not get any worse, along comes another forecast on uk energy bills that suggests it can get a whole lot worse. the latest update from the consultancy cornwall insight suggests bills could hit £a,266

by next january — which would mean the average household would be paying £355 a month, instead of £16a a month currently. the government are providing around £a00 a year help in discount — but campaigners say the governmnent needs to put something in place well before 5 september, when the new prime minister takes over — still four weeks away. threatening for winter if more support is not put in place. where potentially millions of people won't be able to afford their energy bills and it almost doesn't bear thinking about. the government's going to have to come back to the table and put more support in place. borisjohnson says he is "absolutely certain" his successor will do more to help people with rising fuel bills — but the two candidates disagree on how to do that. we are conservatives, we believe in low taxes. and what i'm not going to do is announce the next budget

in advance, of course, we'll need to deal with the circumstances as they arise. but my fundamental principle is that people should keep more of their own money. we need to get real about the situation. it's simply wrong to rule out - further direct support at this time as liz truss has done. and once more, her tax proposals are not going to help very- significantly people like pensioners or those on lower incomes - who are exactly the kind of families that are going to need help. - can we be absolutely certain that, were liz truss the prime minister in september, the treasury would intervene to provide the sort of support the chancellor rishi sunak gave us earlier in the year? in gave us earlier in the year? in terms of that type of support, we can't be certain because liz truss has repeatedly refused to get into the details. we know there would be relief in the form of some immediate tax cuts. in terms of helping the

average individual on the street, there is a national insurance like that would be reversed depending on how much could be fairly limited. and liz truss is saying she'll keep things under watch, we know she would have an emergency budget — but as to what would be in that, it's just too hard to predict because whilst supporters of liz truss have tried to say she said no hand outs but that's not really what she means, it was interesting that despite efforts recently to do that, in the clip today that we just saw a part of, repeatedly she would not say if she would have something similar to what rishi sunak did as chancellor. and that suggests in essence, the ftc interview which set the row this week says no hand—outs, no tax cuts —— ft interview. it

doesn't rule out some relief, but effectively the view of liz truss and those around her as it's much better to reduce the tax burden than tech people and give some money back. and i think that's what you have to bear in mind.— have to bear in mind. there's a sort of cross over _ have to bear in mind. there's a sort of cross over to _ have to bear in mind. there's a sort of cross over to what _ have to bear in mind. there's a sort of cross over to what we've - of cross over to what we've just been talking about with water and energy. the treasury is talking to micro pumping in billions to help these countries, than its spending billions trying to help the consumers pay the prices because it can interfere with the prices, otherwise it would bankrupt the shareholders. 50 what something that might seem ideological, but in the current crisis that we face, and the move towards green technologies, may be actually there needs to be greater state control in these utilities? i greater state control in these utilities? ~ . greater state control in these utilities? ~' , . ., , utilities? i think there is clearly an argument — utilities? i think there is clearly an argument towards _ utilities? i think there is clearly an argument towards this, - utilities? i think there is clearly - an argument towards this, especially when you look at various businesses. it's quite hard to defend some of

the profit margins we are seeing with lots of people are struggling, and there's also businesses doing stuff —— not doing so if you hope they do in a responsible way, especially after a pandemic and so forth. but because we are currently in a tory leadership contest, that's not something you'll really hear much of in these various debates. if anything, we are hearing more about conservative principles. i think the tory leadership, particularly liz truss, is focusing on the current tory number that there could well be a pivot and some of these general conversations once you hit that goal. but it does mean that at a time when there's lots of nerves and worry from the general public, it does feel as though there is a vacuum at the centre of government about immediate relief, but also those questions you alluded to. i sound like i'm on a nationalisation

bent tonight, but looking at today what emmanuel macron spent nationalising the french water provider, 10 billion euros, the trades union contest says it costs £2.8 billion to buy the five big energy retailers — or that's what it would cost, which would considerably change the market here in the uk. and that strangely is about the same sort of price they spent to bail out bulb. so it's not an enormous investment, and i wonder as we go through this crisis, whether over in the us it'll be a much greater debate about how much state intervention there is an pricing? in pricing, not so much. we are starting _ pricing, not so much. we are starting to see gas prices fortunately come down, we some debts we've seen— fortunately come down, we some debts we've seen them come down as cents. it's we've seen them come down as cents. it's still— we've seen them come down as cents. it's still a _ we've seen them come down as cents. it's still a political liability for joe biden. you'll see democrats talking — joe biden. you'll see democrats talking about price gouging at the -as talking about price gouging at the

gas pump, and that's where gas prices are — gas pump, and that's where gas prices are at this time of year, we talk about— prices are at this time of year, we talk about home heating as we get into november through december. but what we're _ into november through december. but what we're doing here is we need to see in— what we're doing here is we need to see in europe — more of a diverse series— see in europe — more of a diverse series of— see in europe — more of a diverse series of means for production. germany— series of means for production. germany has officially been a big impediment to that, as they've really— impediment to that, as they've really drawn back on that, and your drought— really drawn back on that, and your drought segment earlier speaks to this as _ drought segment earlier speaks to this as well because if you are dependent on hydropower and your water— dependent on hydropower and your water levels are down, you've got a real problem. water levels are down, you've got a real problem-— real problem. indeed so. on the leadership _ real problem. indeed so. on the leadership race _ real problem. indeed so. on the leadership race tonight, - real problem. indeed so. on the leadership race tonight, there'sl leadership race tonight, there's been another hustings. it's interesting that rishi sunak, whose obvious and providing more support, or talking about providing more support to the consumers, the actually he's slipped behind liz truss in the national polling, and the liz truss campaign is pointing to that. . .

the liz truss campaign is pointing to that. , , �* , the liz truss campaign is pointing tothat. , , �*,, the liz truss campaign is pointing tothat. , , �*, , ., to that. yes, but it's been quite a topsy-turvy _ to that. yes, but it's been quite a topsy-turvy tory _ to that. yes, but it's been quite a topsy-turvy tory leadership - to that. yes, but it's been quite a l topsy-turvy tory leadership contest topsy—turvy tory leadership contest in many respects, in the sense that liz truss is seen as a radical brexiteer and rishi sunak as a cameroon rejig to come up when actually he backed brexiteers and liz truss backed remain. will be interesting these days is looking at the polling, rishi sunak is equated more with saving money and cutting, and liz truss is seen more as someone who would spend more. the fact she's suggesting we take a different route and start to catch up different route and start to catch up her public persona, because i think some of the preconceptions of those candidates tend to not match up those candidates tend to not match up reality in this contest. taste those candidates tend to not match up reality in this contest.— up reality in this contest. we will leave it there _ up reality in this contest. we will leave it there but _ up reality in this contest. we will leave it there but we _ up reality in this contest. we will leave it there but we might - up reality in this contest. we will. leave it there but we might consider continuing on a similar theme in a second. it is time for the panel.

there are couple stories relating to energy which are quite exclusive tonight. one from alex wickham, now working for bloomberg news, who says the uk government is preparing for a winter energy crisis. "regional worst—case scenario they could see..." what are you hearing from government about that? i see. what are you hearing from government about that?— government about that? i think there's lots _ government about that? i think there's lots of _ government about that? i think there's lots of concern - government about that? i think there's lots of concern when . government about that? i think there's lots of concern when it | there's lots of concern when it comes to the winter for many reasons. as you say, we've talked about lots of issues, but there is a risk of blackouts. speaking to anyone in government, they'll play this down, and in his excellent story, he says this is a worst—case scenario. it's not what the government is expecting or hoping for, but it is reasonable enough that it's something to factor in.

there's also a supply problem, and you can see it in the fact that some countries are talking about export controls, so they have enough electricity and energy. as soon as you get to that situation, you don't have think too far back to the vaccine export controls during covid. whether there is a global shortage, lots of contrasts go out the window. this is a crisis that could lead to something where the uk comes up short. could lead to something where the uk comes pp short-— comes up short. there's problems with the maintenance _ comes up short. there's problems with the maintenance of— comes up short. there's problems with the maintenance of nuclear i with the maintenance of nuclear reactors in france, norwegian say they might limit the export of energy. that has a knock on effect, as we've said, into food — which leads me to the second story from politics home, defra asks for a briefing on what food supply chains would look like in the case of a blackout. what do you know about

that? taste blackout. what do you know about that? ~ ., blackout. what do you know about that? . ., ., ,, blackout. what do you know about that? . . ., ,, ., that? we are talking about worst-case _ that? we are talking about worst-case scenario, - that? we are talking aboutl worst-case scenario, again, that? we are talking about - worst-case scenario, again, you worst—case scenario, again, you don't want to unnecessarily panic. but when you speak to figures in government, some of it is gallows humour but there are questions about, if you do have a question where the uk ran short, and we know there was a scare a month or so ago in london in terms of a power shortage, and parts came close, what happens in that instance? i think that's why thinking about precautions, so in that scenario, if they contingency plan is happening, we have a government which isn't able to come up with new policy, but they are able to contingency plan, and this is some of the things they're having to look atjust in case we do end up in a scenario which, again, it's not the most likely scenario but possible enough that ministers are actually talking about the. ., , ., ., about the. tough winters for all governments — about the. tough winters for all governments coming _ about the. tough winters for all governments coming up, - about the. tough winters for all - governments coming up, something to watch. doug, can we talk about olivia newton—john?

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many times. she'll be missed for a lot different reasons.— lot different reasons. i never really had — lot different reasons. i never really had you _ lot different reasons. i never really had you down - lot different reasons. i never really had you down as - lot different reasons. i never really had you down as a - lot different reasons. i never - really had you down as a t-bird, really had you down as a t—bird, doug, i must admit. i can share that childhood infatuation, i can certainly remember that. can we put up certainly remember that. can we put upjohn certainly remember that. can we put up john travolta's certainly remember that. can we put upjohn travolta's reaction? that's the most important one, a tweet from john travolta that came out today... and of course, his life is so interconnected with hers, doug. absolutely, they were in a movie that was— absolutely, they were in a movie that was so iconic — he kept the jacket. — that was so iconic — he kept the jacket. she _ that was so iconic — he kept the jacket, she kept the hot pants, and they would — jacket, she kept the hot pants, and they would pose in them from time to time _ they would pose in them from time to time. just— they would pose in them from time to time. just fantastic. icap they would pose in them from time to time. just fantastic.— time. just fantastic. icap the hot ants and time. just fantastic. icap the hot pants and the jacket. _ time. just fantastic. icap the hot pants and the jacket. -- - time. just fantastic. icap the hot pants and the jacket. -- i've - time. just fantastic. icap the hot| pants and the jacket. -- i've kept pants and the jacket. —— i've kept the hot pants. thank you both indeed for your company this evening. we will be back at same time tomorrow, thank you for your company this evening. see you tomorrow, good night.

hello, thanks forjoining me. well, the outlook is obviously looking very hot indeed and the amber warning of extreme heat from the met office comes into force on thursday and will last through sunday, so it will be quite an extended period of very high temperatures across some parts of southern and central england as well as wales. now, the heat is not only coming in from the south but also the near—continent, so that means that we'll have high temperatures across wales and south—western england as well, and into ireland as that hot air spreads towards the west. so the higher temperatures won't be realised this time across more northern parts of the uk. these are the morning temperatures, obviously, on wednesday, around 17 in the south, a little bit fresher for many of us.

but lots of sunshine right from the word go. apart from weak weather fronts brushing the very far north—west of the uk, it is a scorching sunny day. temperatures of 27 in newcastle, 28 in hull, the peak district around 30 or so, and many areas in excess of 30 celsius. and certainly by the time we get to thursday, that's when that extreme heat warning comes into force, the mid 305 expected, and by the time we get to around thursday, friday, saturday, we'll see very light winds, very stable conditions for those temperatures to continue to build across southern parts of the uk, so that hot wind blowing out of the near—continent, you can see the deep red colours there, indicating that area where we could see those temperatures approaching 35, perhaps even 36 celsius. but notice that throughout northern england, turning pretty hot too, but nowhere near as hot as it was in the previous heatwave. so here's friday, and we think the highest temperature will be somewhere around here —

36 celsius, give or take a degree. and this outlook — pretty rare to see something like this, you know, this extended period of heat with lots of sunshine in cardiff, for example, but look at that. a hint of things to come by the time we get to monday. lower temperatures, and finally some shower cloud symbols on our weather forecast. and yes, next week we've got cooler weather on the way and at least a chance of some showers and maybe some thunderstorms in areas where we really need it. but unfortunately it does look as though it won't be enough, because the showers will be very hit and miss. in fact, if you look at sunday, perhaps some thunderstorms forming across france sunday night, maybe drifting into southern parts of the uk, but i think by the time we get to monday, this is where we'll see more widespread showers. but there will be errors in where the showers occur — it's very difficult to pinpoint exactly where, and in fact, you know, this far in advance, we can't really tell whether thunderstorms will affect the south—west or eastern areas

or perhaps the north, so difficult to say where those downpours will occur. so uncertainty in the rainfall forecast exactly where it'll rain, but we are pretty confident that it will rain. what we are fairly certain is that the pressure pattern will change across the uk and we'll see these fresher atlantic conditions spreading in that air across the uk, which means the temperatures will be back to the seasonal norm. in fact, by the time we get to around tuesday or wednesday, temperatures will be closer to around 20 to 23 celsius across the south of the country and more like 17 in scotland, so the heatwave will eventually, of course, come to an end.

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