hello and welcome your watching bbc news. laterwestminster hello and welcome your watching bbc news. later westminster in central london after another tumultuous day in british politics. the interior minister has resigned from the government on wednesday, the second cabinet minister that the prime minister liz truss to leave in less than a week. she admits making a mistake with communications but also attacked the direction of government policy. is attacked the direction of government oli . , , ., attacked the direction of government policy. is this a correlation of chaos? grant _ policy. is this a correlation of chaos? grant has _ policy. is this a correlation of chaos? grant has been - policy. is this a correlation of i chaos? grant has been recalled policy. is this a correlation of - chaos? grant has been recalled from the cabinet and _ chaos? grant has been recalled from the cabinet and replaces _ chaos? grant has been recalled from the cabinet and replaces proper - chaos? grant has been recalled from the cabinet and replaces proper men as the new home secretary. the government chief whip responsible

for party discipline and the deputy are no longer in post at least that is the view of conservative mps. it will make is this your last pmq? is a time to resign? liz truss was at a traumatic five weeks has been fighting off for the demands for her to resign after the collapse of the mini budget and her economic strategy. mini budget and her economic strate: . ., . mini budget and her economic strateu. ., u , , strategy. economic credibility. gone. strategy. economic credibility. gone- and _ strategy. economic credibility. gone. and the _ strategy. economic credibility. gone. and the chancellor, - strategy. economic credibility. gone. and the chancellor, he | strategy. economic credibility. l gone. and the chancellor, he is strategy. economic credibility. - gone. and the chancellor, he is gone as welt _ gone. and the chancellor, he is gone as welt they— gone. and the chancellor, he is gone as well. they are all gone. so, why is she _ as well. they are all gone. so, why is she still— as well. they are all gone. so, why is she still here? | as well. they are all gone. so, why is she still here?— is she still here? i am a fighter and not a _ is she still here? i am a fighter and not a quitter! _ hello, i'm shaun ley — welcome to our continued coverage live from westminister where it's been another tumultuous day

in british politics. in the past few hours, the bbc has learned that both the chief whip wendy morton, and deputy chief whip, are no longer in post. it comes after tory mps were told that they could lose the tory whip if they did not support the government's fracking plans in a vote this evening. the government won that vote a short while ago. that came hours after suella braverman quit as home secretary —

the second cabinet minister to go in less than a week. last week, the prime ministerforced out the chancellor of the exchequer and in suella braverman�*s place and you can see her arriving in downing street with happier days and her five—week career in the job. replacing her in the job is former transport secretary grant shapps. remember that grant did not support micro and becoming prime minister, he was one of many mps who had thrown their support behind rishi sunak, the former chancellor went gone on during the leadership

contest that liz truss policies would cause a crisis and potentially a run on the pound. it turns out that he was right. nonetheless, liz truss remains prime minister and in her resignation letters suella braverman said she was resigning because she had inadvertently sent the document from her personal e—mail and the technical interference of the rules and will be conducted from secure service. she went on to at that i have concerns about the direction of this government we have broken pledges that were promised and hoping that things will magically come around is not serious politics and i have made a mistake and i accept responsibility and i resigned. and perhaps the prime minister should perhaps the prime minister should perhaps do the same. we are those extraordinary reports from opposition mps claiming the conservative mps are being manhandled and pressured to go into

no lobby to vote against labour plans to effectively stop fracking and prevent the government from going ahead with the change in policy. since the labour mp. tori is on open warfare.

political correspondent damian grammaticas is at westminster for us. first of all, it is not unusual, difficult times but tensions are high in temperatures take tempers are up and threatening language in the little bit of somebody�*s faith right up to your saying you horrible little person, filled with the government or your career is over and some people it's a politics are for grown—ups and have to take the roof of the smooth. for grown-ups and have to take the roof of the smooth.— roof of the smooth. there is certainly _ roof of the smooth. there is certainly widespread - roof of the smooth. there is - certainly widespread understanding that the party managers, they will pressure mp and vote with their side they don't want lost votes, they want to see, what has been happening is the claim it was much more than that. it was confusion in the lobby

and one mp being picked up and manhandled through the lobby. that mp has come out a short time ago in the last hour or so and said, no, no, this is not the case, there is a robust exchange of views that his position was well—known but he was not manhandled in the way. and as opposition mp recount this said, he said, mps should ultimately be free to vote the way they want to and they should be treated seriously. viewers can find them on the bbc life page and a robust conversation on lobbies and confirm the opposition fracking with members of the government and nothing more weakerfunny in my the government and nothing more weaker funny in my position and we also have the deputy prime minister denying that they had manhandled anybody and force them to support the government. the deputy prime

minister has told the press association that tori mps abstain in labour fracking association that tori mps abstain in labourfracking measures association that tori mps abstain in labour fracking measures and a0 out had this been a straight vote, it would've been very, very close. interestingly those who did not vote for the prime minister liz truss. i think that is because summative encourage eulogy because this was a matter of life or death and mps at the vote to back the government and essentially there and you the vote to back the government and essentially there and— essentially there and you are tellin: essentially there and you are telling me. _ essentially there and you are telling me, telling _ essentially there and you are telling me, telling us- essentially there and you are telling me, telling us that i essentially there and you are telling me, telling us that it| essentially there and you are i telling me, telling us that it was essentially there and you are - telling me, telling us that it was a vote of confidence and they would lose the conservative whip and not be able to do this the next election and to support the government. and

from the dispatch box, nonetheless, the prime minister herself was unable to get to lobbies and vote. she is not on the list and didn't vote because those for all sorts of reasons, the country and ministers away on business and that sort of thing but yes, one of the patients believes they could've been caught up believes they could've been caught up with this issue around the chief whip and the deputy chief whip and their positions, it's all confused of what is gone there this evening but what we do know is absolutely that it has left tori mps even more upset this evening than they were this day when they were concerned about the management of their party and many absolutely furious. your

'udument, and many absolutely furious. your judgment. how— and many absolutely furious. your judgment, how fragile _ and many absolutely furious. your judgment, how fragile is the prime minister's position at the moment? to give you an example, one mp, i know he spoke to my colleague, he is been talking again this evening on the radio and she assess, expect the prime minister to resign very soon because she's not up to the job and i will shed no tears either for her orfor the home secretary i will shed no tears either for her or for the home secretary who resigned earlier today that she was not up to the job either it was asked and this is the bbc radio interview and said, hopefully by tomorrow, the prime minister would go. that is extraordinary. extraordinary backbencher mp was been around for years and seems to been around for years and seems to be at the end of the study. extremely upset by this. talking about talentless _ extremely upset by this. talking about talentless people, - extremely upset by this. talking about talentless people, the - about talentless people, the implication being that people gonna die positions because this at the rate things are popular with the

and were figs;— , — to deliver those things, it's very criticism �*the minister. not for job leader that is not fit for the job and the depths of the satisfaction within the party since the issue around the budget that was produced in the markets and we see the chaos from that and that continues to flourish in a very brittle situation. i flourish in a very brittle situation.— flourish in a very brittle situation. ., , , situation. i cannot say because we don't know — situation. i cannot say because we don't know when _ situation. i cannot say because we don't know when they _ situation. i cannot say because we don't know when they will - situation. i cannot say because we don't know when they will need i situation. i cannot say because we don't know when they will need to i don't know when they will need to rush back with another political development it's that kind of evening in westminster and premises are not voting and when tony blair was prime minister. the government had out the majority and thought it was dry in the chief whip sent him

home for the night. it's all right, you can have an early night but the government lost the vote in the loss by one vote and armstrong was embarrassed about it, she had in her resignation was politely turned down ijy resignation was politely turned down by the prime minister although he was a little embarrassed that the numbers are not added up. helen spoke to the very same backbencher that they're talking about. charles walker and his already become one of six mps to call for liz truss to quit. six mps to call for liz truss to auit. . , ., , six mps to call for liz truss to i uit. ., y., , ., , ~' quit. have you seen anything like this? we've _ quit. have you seen anything like this? we've had _ quit. have you seen anything like this? we've had some _ quit. have you seen anything like this? we've had some pretty - quit. have you seen anything like i this? we've had some pretty tense moments, especially around brexit but i have never seen anything like this and if you voted against your government, you would lose the whip because you have no confidence in the government and the dispatch box

and they said it was not a confidence vote which created chaos in the division lobbies those of the 20 minute delay between the vote happening and being announced and it was even close, the government wanted by nearly a hundred votes. and i think the whole thing is extraordinary and i think the vote being caught and the chief whip resigned. being caught and the chief whip resiuned. . . . being caught and the chief whip resi. ned. ., ., ., . ., resigned. have a gut that confirmed what shall i — resigned. have a gut that confirmed what shall i haven't _ resigned. have a gut that confirmed what shall i haven't another - what shall i haven't another confirmed but it now seems like the room seems to be growing and they been dismissed by government. chaser been dismissed by government. over that due to the _ been dismissed by government. or that due to the whips office? been dismissed by government. over that due to the whips office? that - that due to the whips office? that the 've that due to the whips office? that they've been _ that due to the whips office? that they've been telling _ that due to the whips office? that they've been telling people in effect today that if you vote against this, you'll be putting to bring down the government and you will lose the membership of the party. will lose the membership of the .a . , will lose the membership of the .a _ , ., will lose the membership of the party. this whole offence is inexcusable _ party. this whole offence is inexcusable and _ party. this whole offence is inexcusable and it - party. this whole offence is inexcusable and it is - party. this whole offence is inexcusable and it isjust i party. this whole offence is - inexcusable and it isjust pitiful inexcusable and it is just pitiful reflection of the conservative parliamentary party at every level.

and it reflexively badly on the government of the day. do and it reflexively badly on the government of the day. do you think there's any coming _ government of the day. do you think there's any coming back _ government of the day. do you think there's any coming back from - government of the day. do you think there's any coming back from this? i there's any coming back from this? i don't think so. but i've been of that view since two weeks ago and this is an absolute disgrace. as a tory mp is 17 years was never been a minister, was caught on with that loyalty most of the time, i think it is a shambles and the disgrace. i think it is utterly appalling. you seem quietly... _ think it is utterly appalling. you seem quietly... i'm _ think it is utterly appalling. you seem quietly... i'm livid. - think it is utterly appalling. you seem quietly... i'm livid. and l think it is utterly appalling. you seem quietly... i'm livid. and i | seem quietly... i'm livid. and i ho -e all seem quietly... i'm livid. and i hope all those _ seem quietly... i'm livid. and i hope all those people - seem quietly... i'm livid. and i hope all those people who - seem quietly... i'm livid. and i hope all those people who put| seem quietly... i'm livid. and i i hope all those people who put liz truss in number ten, i hope it was worth it. i hope it was withered for the ministerial red box and elbows with her to sit around the cabin a table because the damage they have done to our party is extraordinary. is very difficult to convey, you will just furious about this. i is very difficult to convey, you willjust furious about this. i am will 'ust furious about this. i am and willjust furious about this. i am and i had enough _ willjust furious about this. i am and i had enough of _ willjust furious about this. i:n and i had enough of talentless

people putting their tic in the right box, not because it's in the national interest, but because it's in their personal interest to achieve ministerial position and i know i speak for hundreds of backbenchers who right now are warring for the constituents all the time but not worrying about their own personal circumstances because there is nothing as ex as an x and p. and many of my constituents are wondering how they're going to pay their mortgages of this doesn't come to an end soon. i'm leaving parliament at the next general election and i'm leaving voluntarily. unless we get our act together and behave like grown—ups, i'm afraid many hundreds of my colleagues, perhaps 200 will be leaving at the behest of their electorate. that's really all it got to say. patients reached the limit. quite extraordinary to hear is

serving conservative mp, albeit one was retiring at the next election giving such a damning assessment, not only of the politics right now but if the people of the very top of the party and the people who made liz truss leader and the people who he clearly things are not fit to be cabinet ministers. he did not name names but there's a pretty savage denunciation of those that he believes, this personal opinion, those people have done to the conservative party. if you're watching internationally, the conservative party is probably electorally, the most successful political party anywhere in europe. and it has has that success for the best part of 200 years, really since it was formed by a split in the old tory party over what was called the subsidised make more expensive

imported call. there is a political debate from the ashes of that party which form the modern conservative party and it has been in office, not all the time, but pretty much it has been the dominant political force and i'll give you one statistic, of all the people elected leader of conservative party in the 20th century, part two, all of them became prime minister. 0nly century, part two, all of them became prime minister. only two never mated number 10 downing street. you cannot say that about the opposition. labour party. 0r street. you cannot say that about the opposition. labour party. or the martin successors, the lib democrats. let's talk up with what is happening tojonathan riley with the editor. he spoke to us a little earlier and it's good to see you envision submit to listen to your voice and listen to the pictures from the house of commons. can you give us an idea of what is going on behind the scenes? take for example, that uncertainty over whether or not the chief whip and the deputy chief

whip are still members of the what is your understanding?— whip are still members of the what is your understanding? these kind of discussions have _ is your understanding? these kind of discussions have been _ is your understanding? these kind of discussions have been quite - is your understanding? these kind of discussions have been quite frankly l discussions have been quite frankly often behind the scenes. the difference tonight is that they exploded out in the voting lobbies, in front of plenty of backbench mps and plenty of opposition backbench mps. that kind of frank rao that is been rippling through westminster is normally kept shut behind closed doors. we still have not got confirmation as to whether the chief whip and the deputy chief whip have resigned, their murmurings or letters are being drawn up and that would make it official. but from an outsider perspective, speaking to the observer, it was a fractious engagement over an issue than the

conservative party on fracking and to take advantage and seemingly had some success with if not in the vote but behind the scenes and i think wendy morton, the chief whip immediately declared her resignation in front of the prime minister was in front of the prime minister was in any way plan. it feels very much because a very spontaneous decision. what about the division list is published that liz truss herself failed to vote in this division. there two versions of events during the rounds on this. the first is that wendy morton's resignation and the fury that has been around alex stafford who was having frank discussions over the issues with the

ministers and liz truss was distracted and was not able to vote and the other side of the votes that she was going to the voting lobby but the mps type of card when they go to those voting lobbies and for whatever reason, that card did not register her vote. and get the full explanation tomorrow with downing street and give us our lobby briefing, we will see but itjust goes to the chaos and confusion we've got drunk prime minister hours before her deputy chief whip said this is a confidence motion and this was a vote that you think the prime minister should basically stay in position and herjob and i was later, she is so distracted by the infighting, literal infighting reports of manhandling and others are saying that it wasn't quite what happened but she wasn't able to vote

properly. it is extraordinary. it's really extraordinary. aha, properly. it is extraordinary. it's really extraordinary.— really extraordinary. a bit of a uuru really extraordinary. a bit of a auru of really extraordinary. a bit of a guru of parliamentary - really extraordinary. a bit of a guru of parliamentary history, i really extraordinary. a bit of a i guru of parliamentary history, and tell us a little earlier my apartment to the bbc officer of westminster, today was the 100th anniversary of backbench conservative mps bringing down the prime minister and the coalition government david george of conservative government and he is happy for the historical precedent to remind us that in the income of the prime minister only continues to serve, whether or not they have the of members of their party outside of the country and the only continue to serve for the time that they have the support of the parliamentary colleagues and once they lose that support, it is impossible for them to remain. how peerless do you think liz truss position is tonight as compared to lunchtime when she had a

relatively successful prime minister's questions? she relatively successful prime minister's questions? she is in erilous minister's questions? she is in perilous mortal— minister's questions? she is in perilous mortal danger, - minister's questions? she is in perilous mortal danger, quite i perilous mortal danger, quite frankly. but, and there is a large part, there is only a handful of mps that are calling for her to go. and it will take a couple of tanks to track read number ten. she is in there and she is not going to go anywhere. the idea that you might suddenly turn around and go, you know what, it's not for many more and resign, frankly, colleagues think that's for the birds. she is going to face some difficult and troubling times in the next two hours, let alone days, she's probably wind up some more for senior kaepernick colleagues that probably won't speak to her about of the next week shapes up, but having said that, she has two very good

communicators injeremy hunt and grant and her cabinet, communicators injeremy hunt and grantand her cabinet, i communicators injeremy hunt and grant and her cabinet, i don't think he would've taken the job if he felt that the government was impending was going to face total collapse within hours, the idea that, they should be able to communicate on her behalf what they want to do, little of what she wants to do and which direction it goes from here, who knows, really. buti direction it goes from here, who knows, really. but i don't think we're going to see anything overnight, but it certainly is going to be difficult for her going into the next few days and can she even make it through to halloween, october 31 for there is that event for the new chancellor to deliver and we will wait and see and this morning it was a dead set and now, not so sure. hat morning it was a dead set and now, not so sure-— not so sure. not preparing to shed because you _ not so sure. not preparing to shed because you might _ not so sure. not preparing to shed because you might be _ not so sure. not preparing to shed because you might be wasting i not so sure. not preparing to shed because you might be wasting a i not so sure. not preparing to shed| because you might be wasting a lot of ink. jonathan, thank you very

much. start to a familiar face of the political research company and i just want to ask you first of all, we had this extraordinary poll suggesting labour at a 30 point lead and individual poles can wildly exaggerate public mood and what is the trend in looking back and i apologise for the noise i think that prison is calling for general election. but over to you. the trend is been a terrible _ election. but over to you. the trend is been a terrible one _ election. but over to you. the trend is been a terrible one for— election. but over to you. the trend is been a terrible one for the - is been a terrible one for the conservative party for the past few weeks and did the last few months, but if you look back on the entire year and public opinion turned to the government, conservative party has not been i had a published opinion poll for the entirety of this year. we need to go back to the start of december last year the last time they were ahead and over the summer, we have some leads for the

labour party run 15 to 20% and since then, and particularly the election of liz truss as conservative leader and prime minister, was seen an acceleration of the trend and have a situation were notjust one but a series of polls showed that the conservatives are some 30 odd points behind labour and some of them 36 and they have and 32 points. it is a huge mountain for the conservatives to climb if there was a general election, the question we would ask is there's not a general election and if there were, it is highly likely that labour would win a majority of over 300 people like liz truss, jeremy hunt and many others would likely be losing their seats. so that really demonstrates the depth of the problem. the question now is well with that trend continue. he felt a lot of events of the day and it is unlikely that any

of those will be viewed favourably in the coming weeks and months, with the conservatives be able to do anything to reduce what is now a historically large gap? if anything to reduce what is now a historically large gap?— anything to reduce what is now a historically large gap? if you want to sum u- historically large gap? if you want to sum up three _ historically large gap? if you want to sum up three or— historically large gap? if you want to sum up three or four _ historically large gap? if you want to sum up three or four things i historically large gap? if you want| to sum up three or four things that people are saying in the polls, what would that be?— would that be? they would say that liz truss is doing _ would that be? they would say that liz truss is doing badly _ would that be? they would say that liz truss is doing badly and - would that be? they would say that liz truss is doing badly and most i liz truss is doing badly and most people think that especially those who considered putting conservative. the labour party is up by far the best choice for dealing with the economy and they think the conservative party is divided and most importantly, they think that labour are the party of government now and the conservatives are in effect, the opposition waiting. thank you very much for being with us on bbc news. those of the latest news. i apologise for the noise, the price of free speech is free

expression. you're watching bbc news. hello again. for many people, it's been a much cloudy day today with fairly gusty winds around. low pressure to our southwest firmly in charge, throw in these bands of cloud across the country, some of us seeing rain as well. it wasn't all doom and gloom, we saw sunshine coming through aross southern london england. temperatures reached 20 degrees across a south. whilst it was mild and sunny across parts of the south, we had this really heavy area of rain that worked into northern ireland. i wouldn't be surprised to hear reports of localised flooding. that was really the clouds gathering the first side of the system working that was really the clouds gathering the first signs of that system working its way in. 0vernight tonight we do have more heavy rain on the way. the rain is going to be heaviest across the western side of the country, particularly

for northern ireland and parts of western southwest scotland. the rain probably not too heavy across eastern areas of england. temperatures overnight in the double figures, so it is another mild night. tomorrow, we do have more wet weather on the way. it's from the same area of low pressure but this time the heaviest rain is going to come from this developing part of the weather system across portugal and spain. with the bulk of rain expected to work across france of the uk some uncertainty with the heaviest rain will be tomorrow. almost certainly, yes, across eastern areas of england. however, the system could be more developed. if that happens we will see the rain notjust affecting eastern england but becoming more widespread across the midlands, northern england and southern scotland. the rain where it does arrive is likely to be heavy, perhaps with a bit of thunder mixed in. the winds a little bit lighter for northern ireland, england and wales but picking up and strengthen scotland. friday, low pressure is still with us, the same one. it can move anywhere

because it's pinned and trapped in this area of high pressure to these. it will continue to throw up heavy showers or bands of rain from the southwest again some of the rain quite heavy with a bit of thunder mixed in. the winds picking up again for northern ireland, england and wales with in lancaster reaching 30, or miles per hour. in brighter moments we could see particularly high temperatures for the time of year with ten 220 in norwich, 5 degrees about the seasonal average. the weekend, i wouldn't guarantee it stays dry anywhere saturday or sunday. there is still going to be plenty of showers around. it will stay quite breezy and pretty mild once again.

i this is bbc news. i'm shaun ley live from westminster. a tumultuous day for british politics. the british home secretary — suella braverman — resigns from government, the second cabinet minister under prime minister liz truss to go in less than a week. she admits making a mistake with official communications but also attacks the direction of the government. is this a coalition of chaos, mr shapps? is this a coalition of chaos, mr shapps? former transport minister grant shapps replaces her as home secretary. according to conservative mps the government's chief whip

responsible for party discipline and her deputy are no longer in post. is this your last prime ministers question? — is this your last prime ministers question? is it time to resign? earlier, the prime minister had been fighting off renewed demands for her to step down after the collapse of the mini budget. economic credibility — gone! and her supposed best friend the formula chancellor, he's gone as well. they are all gone. so why is she still here? mr speaker, i am a fighter and not a quitter! if you've just joined if you've justjoined us on if you'vejustjoined us on bbc if you've justjoined us on bbc news the time is a little after 930 on the time is a little after 930 on the uk. at the end of it evening in which parliamentary business is concluded but the house of commons,

though car doors and the bars of west minister are thronged with activity, gossip, intrigue, arguments. and people are having a very large drink after a very stressful day. it was a day and which began one of the prime ministers key allies, james cleverley unable to confirm whether the government would up rate pensions next year under this triple locked policy, which it was committed to in its last election manifesto. at lunch time the prime minister surprise everybody a prime minister's questions, only a third appearance at the dispatch box. when she announced that of course the government was going to maintain its policy, which really rather cut the smp unaware because he expected her to repeat what the foreign secretary had said just a few hours or earlier. afternoon after a relatively unproblematic prime minister's questions for liz truss, with everybody saying she bought

herself a little time, perhaps the ability to stagger on until the mini budget is delivered on day of days, hollow lien of all days to choose. the bombshell resignation from the home secretary suella braverman, resigning over a technical breach of the ministerial code and using her letter as an opportunity to attack the direction of the government and by implication the prime minister. 0ur political correspondent ione wells is here to give us an update on what is happening. that is a very quick sum of how we got to this evening. then things got even more dramatic during the course of the evening. even more dramatic during the course of the evening-— of the evening. that's right. i'm literally glued _ of the evening. that's right. i'm literally glued as _ of the evening. that's right. i'm literally glued as we _ of the evening. that's right. i'm literally glued as we all - of the evening. that's right. i'm literally glued as we all are i of the evening. that's right. i'm literally glued as we all are to i of the evening. that's right. i'm. literally glued as we all are to my film this evening waiting for answers on some of the key questions that still remain —— phone. as you say, this afternoon kicked off with that resignation of suella braverman as home secretary. replaced by grant shapops who was only sacked by liz

truss about six weeks ago. suella braverman's resignation letter did speu braverman's resignation letter did spell out that she had made a mistake and made certain security breaches but heavily implied in that letter was a suggestion that liz truss should also consider resigning as she wrote in her letter to the prime minister, she had made a mistake on what was taking responsibility for them and resigning. that was the first trauma of the day. then there was this chaos in the house of parliament this evening as labour had tabled a vote on whether or not mps should get to vote on the government planned to bring back fracking. tory mps have been told earlier in the day that if they didn't vote with the government and there interposed opposed labours motioned they would risk losing the conservative whip and having to sit as an independent mp because his vote was being treated as a de facto vote of confidence in the government and liz truss. a lot of mps and privately express their discomfort with the

governments plans on fracking. some tory mps said publicly they were willing to sacrifice conservative whip for the sake of voting against the government. after vote took place, west minister blew up a different allegation at what had really been going on behind the scenes. labour mp chris bryant accused some government ministers of manhandling certain tory mps to make them vote with the government in that lobby where they all cue to vote. then we also are hearing for a number of tory mps, has a big kid spurned by the government that the chief weapon deputy chief weapon in charge of party discipline had said they were resigning as well, party whip. that hasn't been confirmed, there are some suggestions that may not necessarily be the gate. but even ministers like jacob rees—mogg are going on not able to say whether some of their own are still imposed or not so it shows just how chaotic

this afternoon has been. ba; or not so it showsjust how chaotic this afternoon has been. by looking at the bbc lives _ this afternoon has been. by looking at the bbc lives page _ this afternoon has been. by looking at the bbc lives page on _ this afternoon has been. by looking at the bbc lives page on the - this afternoon has been. by looking at the bbc lives page on the bbc. at the bbc lives page on the bbc website, which people can access at any time. you've just posted on website, which people can access at any time. you'vejust posted on bare about your frustration trying to get answers by ringing the whips office and nobody is picking up the phone. that's right. no one is picking up the phone. we have tried all channels a government and webb's office and to get clarity on whether these tory mps are right to say that the chief and deputy whips have resigned. what sounds like from some tory mps that i spoke to today is that essentially some people overheard the chief weapon wendy morton saying something along the lines of him not the chief anymore. what's not clear is whether that was official or a turn of phrase or perhaps something she is considering. so many rumours and speculation swirling this evening. no one is picking up the phone to confirm either way. we did manage to

bump into the deputy prime minister on her way to the private members club where some tory mps are gathering tonight. she stopped by one of my colleagues and i did say that the chief had done a greatjob today. which is implying that perhaps she is saying opposed after all. we're waiting for the confirmation crucially to see if that person in charge of party discipline is staying in that role going forward. share discipline is staying in that role going forward-— discipline is staying in that role going forward. are you the late correspondent _ going forward. are you the late correspondent july? _ going forward. are you the late correspondent july? are - going forward. are you the late correspondent july? are you i going forward. are you the late i correspondent july? are you expected correspondentjuly? are you expected to burn the midnight oil? i am. correspondent july? are you expected to burn the midnight oil?— to burn the midnight oil? i am. i think you will — to burn the midnight oil? i am. i think you will be _ to burn the midnight oil? i am. i think you will be quite _ to burn the midnight oil? i am. i think you will be quite a - to burn the midnight oil? i am. i think you will be quite a late i to burn the midnight oil? i am. i. think you will be quite a late once tonight. so much movement going on, tory mps tonight. so much movement going on, tory mstust this tonight. so much movement going on, tory mps just this evening going as far to say they want liz truss out by tomorrow. i think things are moving very quickly and i'm sure will have lots of updates as the evening goes on.— will have lots of updates as the evening goes on. will have lots of updates as the evenin: aoes on. _, ., y., ., .., evening goes on. good. if you do can i lead evening goes on. good. if you do can i plead with — evening goes on. good. if you do can i plead with you. _ evening goes on. good. if you do can i plead with you. i— evening goes on. good. if you do can i plead with you, i will— evening goes on. good. if you do can i plead with you, i will be _ evening goes on. good. if you do can i plead with you, i will be standing i i plead with you, i will be standing here untiljust before midnight. if you have any news, runout, or say that nice warm studio but let me

know. caroline was a civil servant at number ten. during that time she served as part two secretary to margaret thatcher and john major, to prime minister who faced their own difficult times at west minister. thank you forjoining us on bbc news. with that level of experience, with the passage of time to put those events into context, can i ask you to give me your impressions of how this government looks to you tonight? in how this government looks to you toniaht? ., ., ., tonight? in a word, terminal. certainly _ tonight? in a word, terminal. certainly liz _ tonight? in a word, terminal. certainly liz truss _ tonight? in a word, terminal. certainly liz truss days i tonight? in a word, terminal. certainly liz truss days are i certainly liz truss days are numbered. it's a bit like watching a sped up version of margaret badgers career without the substance of the achievements. 11 and a half years in her case —— margaret thatcher. she just seems to be heading towards

catastrophe. and the worst thing of all is that she is bringing the rest of the with �* in of the country down with her in of the country down with her in of the country down with her in of the economy. and now it terms of the economy. and now it looks like she is doing the same for her own party. it'sjust an untenable position to cause that much damage to the economy through her many budget. and now to have left her party fighting with each other almost literally, by the sounds of it as they go to vote. and sounds of it as they go to vote. and it is in pieces- _ sounds of it as they go to vote. and it is in pieces. i— sounds of it as they go to vote. and it is in pieces. i was struck by an historical analogy that someone was making to me, not current circumstances but a while ago now, we were talking about resignation. we've seen a resignation today and we were discussing previous resignation. there's been a period in recent years where ministers have tended not to resign. the home secretary, over the bowling allegations, although the independent adviser thought she had broken the ministerial goal, the prime minister ruled that she had beenin prime minister ruled that she had been in there for the adviser reside

in the matter stayed in place. it's been quite unusual to have resignations recently. under margaret thatcher there weren't many but there were significant resignations and people seemed to take the rap for when they got things wrong. 160 lord carrington when he resigned over the falklands invasion even though margaret thatcher didn't want him to. margaret thatcher do you think there's been a loss of their personal moral responsibility? is something that suella braverman refers to in her letter. i something that suella braverman refers to in her letter.— refers to in her letter. i really do think that- _ refers to in her letter. i really do think that. it's _ refers to in her letter. i really do think that. it's a _ refers to in her letter. i really do think that. it's a mark— refers to in her letter. i really do think that. it's a mark of- refers to in her letter. i really do | think that. it's a mark of integrity and politics that you take responsibility for your own mistakes. i think it's a shocking lack of integrity that liz truss hasn't resigned. margaret thatcher resigned because of disputes of a policy and disputes in her party over europe. the beginning of what turned out to be a very long set of dispute in the party about europe.

but she didn't actually create the kind of catastrophe that has left to ordinary peoples lives the higher mortgage rates and now more intense spending cuts. these are really catastrophic. she said sorry but really, in these circumstances sorry is not good enough. it's a loss of integrity. it's very damaging to politics. we have already had significant damage to politics through borisjohnson and party gate. at a feeling that politicians tell lies and won't tell parliament the truth and can't be held accountable. and now here, it is obvious to anyone that she should resign at this point. and she's just refusing to do it. she just seems to be charging on. she was called the human hand grenade and she adopted that title herself with pride at the beginning of her leadership campaign. it's like she's putting a

grenade first to the economy and now to her own party. she really should go before anything else happens. i'm astonished she still in power. as i was actually there in the events, the day and the nights before margaret thatcher resigned, where in the afternoon she said i fight on, i fight to win rather like liz truss said today, i'm a fighter, not a quitter. within a few hours she was talking to her cabinet colleagues with telling her she shouldn't go on, she couldn't go on, she would lose. i think and i on, she couldn't go on, she would lose. ithink and i hope on, she couldn't go on, she would lose. i think and i hope that is what will happen tonight to liz truss. caroline slocock in london. thank you for reminding us of that extraordinary time when margaret thatcher resigned. i was here at

west minister as a trainee back in those days was up i remember the extraordinary atmosphere, nobody could quite believe it. caroline has said it happen hours after she insisted she was saying. who knows as those questions or discussions are happening right this minute behind the scenes? who noses in downing street as everyone present who knows who is on the phone with the prime minister if anyone? every year will bring it to you on bbc news. allegations of bullying in webs and claiming some mps have been physically manhandled into another lobby and being bullied. earlier at my colleague asked what had been seen? 50 earlier at my colleague asked what had been seen?— earlier at my colleague asked what had been seen? so where we enter into one of — had been seen? so where we enter into one of the _ had been seen? so where we enter into one of the lobbies _ had been seen? so where we enter into one of the lobbies and - had been seen? so where we enter into one of the lobbies and this i had been seen? so where we enter| into one of the lobbies and this was at the main entrance into the noes lobby which is where the conservators wanted all their members to go. there was a group of tory mps were very uncertain about

what the situation was because they had been told all day that it was a motion of no confidence was up so if they voted against the government they voted against the government they would lose the web. and then in the debate in the last few minutes the debate in the last few minutes the minister said that it wasn't a motion of confidence and when asked by one of the members who i saw standing there, whether it was or wasn't a vote of confidence he said that's above my pay grade. then were beginning to hear that the deputy and chief whip were already gone. is there government at all? there was quite a lot of anxiety amongst. and there was a large group and people were shouting, very aggressively. they were pointing at them, they were very closely surrounded and there were ministers and government webs all around them. and to all intents and purposes one of them to my mind anyway, that's what it would lead to be was basically pushed or pulled through into the division lobby. have you ever seen anything like that? i have never seen that.

i'm not naive, i've been in for 21 years, i know the web sometime can be quite assertive. but it's normally the force of reason not the force of force. —— some whips. it's bullying like i've not seen since i was in school. in the house of parliament present in the house of parliament present in the house of parliament we have a behaviour code we say we do not countenance bullying or harassment. members are parliament are able to vote without fear or favor. parliament are able to vote without fear orfavor. and parliament are able to vote without fear or favor. and that wasn't what we had today. all of this is happening because emotions are very, very heightened because the government is in freefall. and frankly, the country needs leadership. we would get better leadership. we would get better leadership from tofu.— leadership. we would get better leadership from tofu. we're hearing that what we _ leadership from tofu. we're hearing that what we know _ leadership from tofu. we're hearing that what we know now _ leadership from tofu. we're hearing that what we know now is _ leadership from tofu. we're hearing that what we know now is that i leadership from tofu. we're hearing that what we know now is that the l that what we know now is that the chief and deputy whip has now gone as well for so what do you make it back? one of thejunior as well for so what do you make it back? one of the junior webs as well for so what do you make it back? one of thejunior webs it as well for so what do you make it back? one of the junior webs it was a friend of mine, he's a conservative mp but a friend of mine. hejust hugged me and said i

am utterly miserable. i have no idea what's going on. this is going towards a general election. you're convinced of— towards a general election. you're convinced of that? _ towards a general election. you're convinced of that? maybe - towards a general election. you're convinced of that? maybe that's i towards a general election. you're i convinced of that? maybe that's what labour were like. no of course i would. i think it's in the interest of the nation, to be honest. the issue for some really decent tories today was do i vote against what i got elected for on the manifesto in 2019, which is no fracking or do i vote with the government was to vote which is a motion which enables... and fairness could you not say that labour put them in that position? your motion was in a straight up and out about fracking it was about about giving you control a part of the business was that no government mp could vote for that, could vote for that, good day?— for that, good day? several certainly — for that, good day? several certainly abstain. _ for that, good day? several certainly abstain. i- for that, good day? several certainly abstain. i think i for that, good day? several- certainly abstain. i think roughly a2 of them. certainly abstain. i think roughly 42 of them-— certainly abstain. i think roughly 42 of them. they are saying that labour is playing _ 42 of them. they are saying that labour is playing games - 42 of them. they are saying that labour is playing games with i 42 of them. they are saying that labour is playing games with a i labour is playing games with a serious situation. the labour is playing games with a serious situation.— labour is playing games with a serious situation. the bigger point for the individual _ serious situation. the bigger point for the individual mps _ serious situation. the bigger point for the individual mps is, - serious situation. the bigger point for the individual mps is, it - for the individual mps is, it certainly will look to most voters as if they were saving the

governments bacon over fracking. as if they were saving the governments bacon overfracking. and i don't know why the government is even bothering with this game. is there a single constituency, community begging for fracking in their local community? i don't think so. this is absolutely preposterous. the bigger point, that government doesn't have a mandate for any of this. it doesn't have a mandate for what they were doing, i can't remember what they are all doing anymore. my point is, i think the country is crying out for leadership and the best way to put these things to the test is in the general election. we're a democracy after all. election. we're a democracy after all, .., , ., election. we're a democracy after all. , ., ~ , ., election. we're a democracy after all. ., ~ , ., ., all. some conservative mps had to come out and _ all. some conservative mps had to come out and deny _ all. some conservative mps had to come out and deny those - all. some conservative mps had to i come out and deny those allegations of people being manhandled in the lobbies and the deputy prime minister have denied that she manhandled anybody. she's also just been quoted as saying that the chief whip did a brilliantjob tonight. she didn't answer the question of whether the chief whip is still the chief whip.

i am joined by kitty donaldson in london. she is the uk political editor for bloomberg news. i should imagine you've been updating feverishly during the course of the evening. are you able to get any clarity about what is going on inside downing street and i? i going on inside downing street and i? , . ., ., ., , i? i wish i could, that would be amazing- _ i? i wish i could, that would be amazing- i— i? i wish i could, that would be amazing. i know— i? i wish i could, that would be amazing. i know i _ i? i wish i could, that would be amazing. i knowl saw- i? i wish i could, that would be amazing. i knowl saw in i i? i wish i could, that would be amazing. i know i saw in the i i? i wish i could, that would be i amazing. i knowl saw in the house amazing. i know i saw in the house of comment and i know it mps are same but i don't know what's going on on downing street right now. lots of rumours around. perhaps a delegation of the cabinet might go and tell her times up. or maybe the many grey suits, you're talking about ms. thatcher earlier, they later remarked they were the men that came to get them. these days the men in great suits would be the 1922 committee, backbenchers and the tory party. so if you see very tall walking down whitehall to number ten that's time to meet that it's all

over. , , , ., over. or indeed slipping through the cabinet office _ over. or indeed slipping through the cabinet office door, _ over. or indeed slipping through the cabinet office door, which _ over. or indeed slipping through the cabinet office door, which allows i cabinet office door, which allows you to your connecting door to get it to downing street. i suspect sometimes we miss people because they go in that way to deliver really bad news and come out through the back door. the extraordinary thing is that less than ten hours ago now the prime minister stood up, did a prime minister's questions at are right, the bar wasn't set very high but allowing for that, a pretty decent performance. she did drop the ball. she surprised people a bit with that commitment to the triple lock. but otherwise, she had a pretty decent run as prime minister questions. mps more vocal behind her than they had been last week. now just a few hours later she looks like she is really on the skids once again. like she is really on the skids once aaain. , like she is really on the skids once atain_ , , again. yes, absolutely. her performance _ again. yes, absolutely. her performance at _ again. yes, absolutely. her performance at p. - again. yes, absolutely. her performance at p. m. i again. yes, absolutely. her performance at p. m. cues| again. yes, absolutely. her- performance at p. m. cues were pretty good. before she only been

sitting at her feet at the end of it and that's a whip, basically. she did better than expected. it slightly started to unravel, the resignation of suella braverman put to the side for now, it's him he said she said about whether it was a proper security breach or whether it was a remark about migration that prompted her downfall. let's put that to one side for a moment. the fracking though, that seems to be what upset most tory mps. it goes to leadership management, right? they were told this morning, a message sent out from the key whip saying we're regarding this is a competence issue. that means effectively if you vote against or we resign is a government for the we can't exist as a government anymore. later in the day one of the junior ministers came to the dispatch box and said it's

not a competence vote after all. i think wendy morton felt adeline by that. we're reporting that she went to the lobbies and also the prime minister grabbed her arm and said please don't resign. ijust had a message through from number ten saying the chief whip remains imposed. so that's a new development in the last couple of minutes. it doesn't look good. h0. in the last couple of minutes. it doesn't look good. no, apparently a deu doesn't look good. no, apparently a deputy prime _ doesn't look good. no, apparently a deputy prime minister— doesn't look good. no, apparently a deputy prime minister still- doesn't look good. no, apparently a deputy prime minister still imposed| deputy prime minister still imposed although he had been emoting very publicly in division as if he is not enough. as you said, extraordinary developments. just one not stop before you go. do you think that the prime minister can last until the chancellor delivers the rest of his economic statement on that rather ill fated date on halloween eve? if

you asked me at lunch time i would've said yes. because that's what people is a net i think things of change. i think it sped up in the last few hours. everything is just sped up by 50%. like running down a hill and it is gaining traction. it's really hard to call these things because of all the courts all the mechanisms are in place to put her mps to put her out. there's still all about to get through. the feeling tonight in parliament was actually, mps standing around saying oh my god, they've got to go. we will be talking again i'm sure tomorrow. that is it from a very fractious, disturbed west minister. perhaps most powerfully a few moments ago, former private

secretary to margaret thatcher, a prime minister and party leader who is deified by conservative party leaders who every subsequent party leaders who every subsequent party leader has tried to claim that they are the descendent, the successor of margaret thatcher. even liz truss in her happier moments would like to think that she could be as extraordinary a prime minister as market thatcher. but caroline's dimming assessment tonight that liz truss his career is like an accelerated fast—forwa rd truss his career is like an accelerated fast—forward version of margaret badgers achievements without the achievements and without the ability. she is warning and others are warning that the prime minister is in a perilous situation this wednesday evening. after a relatively successful prime ministers question she lost her home secretary, there was trauma over a vote, self—inflicted wounds from the government, was it a vote of confidence, was it not a vote of confidence? the deputy chief whip and chief whip for several hours vanishing, apparently having residing only in the last five to

eight few minutes we find they are still imposed. how long will liz truss remain imposed as prime minister of the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland? thank you for your company. you are watching bbc news. for most of us us today's a lot cloudier and windier than the last few days with dust running into 30 mph across and land areas. we have seen sunshine break through the cloud and again across the south of england, became very mild temperatures up to 20 degrees. it was a dry avenue lignite everywhere. we've had this area of heavy rain spreading across parts of northern ireland for that would be surprised to see some reports of localised flooding from that particular heavy rain. as a class gathered you could see things turning rather overcast they are around the belfast area. satellite pictures shows an area of low pressure, stuck with us at the moment. this part of the weather front is actually developing to

bring further heavy rain as we head on into thursday. some uncertainty about where the heaviest rain will be photo across eastern england yes, a good chance of seeing heavy rain but the system could actually develop a little bit more. if that happens the rain wouldn'tjust affect the eastern england, it would actually become quite widespread across the midlands, northern england and parts of scotland. wherever the rain does arrive, it is good to be heavy with rumbles of thunder. western areas most likely to avoid the worst of the rain. will be a bit windier in scotland but the winds like lighter elsewhere across the uk. taking you through thursday night, the band of rain continues itsjourney night, the band of rain continues its journey northward across scotland. what follows later in the night is a clutch of showers from the southwest and some of those could be accompanied by rumbles of thunder. another mild night for most of the temperatures in double figures we end the week with low pressure still to the west of the uk. still throwing bands of rain from the southwest. friday will see the winds pick up again. i can look

at windows from 30 to a8 hours. these bands of rain as they work and will be heavy with rumbles of thunder. not too much of the way of rain across the northeast and a few bright spells very mild, temperatures 20 degrees ignore it, that's about five celsius above the october average. that's about five celsius above the 0ctoberaverage. into that's about five celsius above the october average. into the weekend, 0ctober average. into the weekend, it mightjust see a little bit of high pressure across parts of the uk for a time. but really this low pressure continues to dominate the weather picture. saturday i would not promise being dry it everywhere, could be showers or lengthier spells of rain. but equally probably some bigger gaps between any rain and therefore a little bit more in the way of such iphoto temperatures still well above average. highs 18 to 20 or so across the warmest parts of england. scotland temperatures beginning to rise a little bit as well. for sunday's forecast, again, a case of showers and thunderstorms extending up from the southwest was

a probably northeastern areas and not seeing too much in the way of rain but it could well be rather cloudy here. temperatures not really changing very much day by day. take a look at the jet stream pattern now. see if there are any changes into next week. we've got this very big meandering jet stream patch at the moment with the ridge to the west atlantic. this trough in the central and east atlantic. underneath this trough that's where low pressures form. if that pattern sounds familiar it's because pretty much what we've got at the moment. there are no great changes in the weather forecast as we look at things well into next week. it's a case of showers or longer spells of rain but the weather continuing to be very mild this time of year with temperatures in london after around 18 or 19 degrees with no change in the weather story. expect further bouts of rain.

tonight at ten, chaos on all fronts for liz truss — the home secretary and the chief whip resign, and party discipline breaks down in the commons. suella braverman admitted breaking the rules on official communications, but she also criticised liz truss for breaking promises to voters. in her resignation letter, she accuses the government of not being serious by pretending it hasn't made mistakes. house of commons tonight, chaos and confusion in a vote on fracking, revealing the depth of anger amongst i hope all those people that put liz truss in number ten, i hope it was worth it, i hope it was worth