tv Political Capital With Al Hunt Bloomberg February 2, 2014 9:30am-10:01am EST
>> this week on "political capital," the former republican chair on the state of the union and american politics. nfl film's premier super bowl analyst predicts the big ame. we began the program with counselor to president obama and former bill clinton chief of staff, john podesta. thank you for being here.
state of the union, scaled-back ambitions, given the reality of today, criticized by republicans. and he change anything? >> i think he laid out for the american people a real work plan for the next year. concrete proposals to increase growth, to strengthen the middle class, to build new ladders and the middle class. some of that was a legislative agenda where we should see bipartisan support. i'm hoping a comprehensive immigration reform can move forwards. >> do you think we'll have an immigration bill this year? >> i think there is a good chance. >> even though they say there is night path to citizenship? >> i think we will have to wait to see what emerges from the house of representatives. the leadership has changed the rhetoric on that so there is no special pathway to citizenship. they recognize they need to give a pathway to citizenship to young people. think we have to wait and see
what emerges. i think it was a step forward that speaker boehner put forward a plan to move forward. we will have to work and see and try to work as hard as we can to get a comprehensive bill through. >> you have long favored executive actions. how many jobs can you create with executive action? >> i think that you don't want to put a miracle number on that. it is hard to do it with legislation. i think with the president is doing is trying to reach out to people across the country to encourage -- for example, last week he went to north carolina and started a new manufacturing link from universities to high-tech manufacturers. e pledged more in the state of the union.
he has asked for congress to create four more after that. he is called on businesses meet country to change their practices so they can put long-term unemployed people to ook them back to work. those changes in practices will result in dealing with one of our biggest economic and social problems with this long overhang from the great recession of the long-term unemployed. >> will people go back to work as a result? >> yes, they will. if you asked me to put a number on that, i think today it would take the commitment of the ceo's to fulfill their promises. i think it will be forthcoming. he will require federal contractors to pay a wage of
10.10. the order you're talking about, we're looking at that. >> what do you think he is likely to do? >> i'm not going to pre-guess him. in putting forward the effort to try to get a comprehensive bill through the congress, we will see if that is possible. >> the sochi olympics start soon. would you invite americans who consider going to russia to go? to you think it is too dangerous?
>> no, i think at this stage the state department has not issued an advisory not to go. the president spoke to this this week. we have given full cooperation to russian authorities. they have massive efforts going to try to secure, particularly the inner rings of the olympics. there's a spike of threat warnings right now but that happens in front of all big vents. eople ought to consult the state department but i think of their plate to go right now, there is no reason not to. >> you have criticized afghan president karzai as a radical. is there a fear that as good as it is to bring most of our forces home, there is a chance that the taliban and al qaeda
will experience a resurgence their? >> that is why the u.s. egotiated a bilateral security arrangement with the afghan government. with the expectation that president karzai would sign that, which would have left a number of u.s. forces remaining in afghanistan with two missions. ne, to continue to train the afghan security forces which now are operating in the field. u.s. forces are no longer in the league of offensive perations. secondly, to carry on counterterrorism operations, particularly against what remnants remain about qaeda in
the region. the afghan government of president karzai agreed to that. now president karzai has refused to sign that. you know to my past comments before i reentered government about what i thought about that and the erratic way in which he has operated. what is clear that there would be no u.s. or partner forces, nato forces, in afghanistan if the afghan government does not ign. >> so it is up to him? >> it is up to the afghan government. there is an election coming up and there will be a transition of power. right now the clock is ticking because we have to plan for what the new state will be. i think there is reason to maintain a partnership with afghanistan for u.s. security reasons. that arrangement has to be inalized and we have to plan
for that small mission. combat operations will come to one and at the end of 2014. >> final question. this is not your area, i know, but you know a lot about politics. a story came out on friday that chris christie had appointed to head the government -- knew about the lane closings one that happened. if that story is true, do you think that probably ends his -- >> i think that is a killer. in part because of what he originally said. that long press conference of absolute denial and throwing the people under the bus the way he did, how her he was but a paired if that is true, i don't think there is any coming back. >> when we return, more on the president's state of the union.
i think it speaks volumes when the speech was designed to end on its very highest note, which was recognizing this young american hero who was wounded overseas. most state of the union addresses don't and on a crescendo. they have some big idea or something that comes at the president's mouth instead of, here is this -- congress is right, by the way, but here is this young man that was all torn up. >> let me ask you about the republican strategy. some say, let us play rope a dope this year. the middle-class is not happy. avoid mistakes and don't do anything controversial, that will be a winning formula. >> when i was chairman of the party in 1994 we did something unusual. we did contract with america. we did it because some of us thought that it is easier for people to vote for you if you give them something to vote for. a lot of people that voted republican were voting against
the clinton tax increase, hillary care, the crime ill. i think it's easier to win people on your side if you give them themself -->> to flush out stuff on health care and income inequality -- >> the health care gets no credit from the public. i thought senator hapsburg and coburn did the right thing when hey laid out a series of reforms in health care that are very positive. >> let me ask you about immigration. you are an immigration reform advocate. if a compromise were to emerge, where there would be legal status granted to all undocumenteds, a pathway to citizenship for the dreamers and for some of the adults, would that be the sort of thing republicans should embrace? >> the american people -- we owe the american people to have border security that works.
not that we're going to spend umpteen million dollars on it, but we need something that works. i'm comfortable with a pathway to citizenship said you have stringent, rigorous requirements. i don't think that is the end-all, be-all. >> do you think you could get a majority of republicans to vote for what you're describing right now? >> i don't and i don't think that is necessary. you and i are both old enough to remember the 1986 bill. it really was it really was amnesty and not what the house is considering now. they have penalty and it is all sorts of stuff that are not amnesty at all. after the bill, only 40% of people who are eligible for citizenship applied. i think that what most people who are here as illegal immigrants, what they want is to get out of the shadows.
they want to feel that they are safe. i don't think that there will be a bill -- >> a bill where they can get together with senate and have a final resolution? >> i don't think there will be a bill. i think there will be a series of bills. obamacare was a lesson-learner for a lot of people. >> i guess my question, is will we have immigration reform in 2014? > if nancy pelosi and dick durbin, the the democrats, if they are right, they will not accept anything other than a path to citizenship, i don't think the path will pass. i don't think the house will pass that. i think what most immigrants want is to come out of the shadows, raise their families and go on. >> you don't sound optimistic that there will be an overall bill passed at the summit this year. >> if anything, i think that the house will demand to series of bills. if that series of bills has to
have a special path to citizenship, i think you will see in the house bill probably -- and i can't predict that. my impression is that people who are involved with so-called dreamers, i think they probably will get a special path to citizenship, and that's awfully good policy. >> you have been a supporter of governor chris christie. you criticized some of his critics, if you will. apart from the particulars here, this is not going to end soon. it seems that is clear. whether it should or should not, we are not commenting on it. is this debilitating to his residential prospects? >> well, depends on how it turns out. look, the news media is chasing this around like it's the lincoln assassination. if there's anybody that makes any kind of peep that has any credibility or not gets air time. he did what he was supposed to do. his administration screwed up,
and he did what harry truman said. the buck stops here. >> you would acknowledge he's been, at least his presidential prospects have been hurt temporarily. >> he's certainly been knocked back in the polls. maybe the lesson is, don't be ahead of hillary in the polls before christmas of 2013. >> do you think jeb bush will run? >> i don't know. i think jeb bush's last name was brown, he would be the favorite for the nomination. he was an extremely good governor. chris christie's been an extremely good governor. i don't know what jim will do. >> ted cruz should say debt ceiling bill should only pass if it is accompanied by cuts in spending and fiscal reform. do you agree? >> i would be in favor of entitlement reform and spending reductions, but i would very much support that. if it comes down to closing down the government and hurting the credit rating of the united
states, we have already been to that movie. it has a bad outcome. elected terry mcauliffe the governor of virginia. you take that 2 1/2 weeks away when ted cruz's team should the government down, and let that go back to virginia, in terms of obamacare, that race went from 10 points to two points. >> you are a terrific guest. thank you for being with us. nfl's premier super bowl analyst.
>> welcome back. super bowl weekend. who better to get the most insight in the premier nfl film analyst greg cosell? thank you for being with us. sunday has the potential for a great game. is there one particular matchup that you think and be determined? >> how can you not look at peyton manning and that pass offense? number one rank in so many categories, against the seattle seahawks defense, number one in so many categories. you have the best against the best and that is the most intriguing element of the game. >> peyton manning has gotten great protection this year. someone called his offensive line like the great wall of china. that is a heck of a defense of
line for seattle. who do you give the edge to? >> i would look at that a little differently than most. i think that peyton manning is very responsible for that statistic as well, the fact that he has not been sacked very much. he has probably the best internal clock of any quarterback that has ever played. he gets rid of the ball so quickly. there've been games this year -- we actually charted this -- as to how quickly he got rid of the football and very often the ball was out in two seconds or less. when the ball is out in two seconds or less from snap to delivery, the offensive line could take a vacation in the defense would not get there in time. i think they work together extremely well, peyton's ability to get rid of the ball quickly and the offensive line. >> he is a great quarterback. he is really a different quarterback today 5-7 years ago. >> yes, he is.
i can remember -- and i have been doing this for longer than i like to think -- i cannot remember a quarterback that has reinvented himself. i decided to look back at some of his film from 2005, 2006, 2007 and he would push the ball down the field, intermediate-deep throws with good arm strength. now he has become a short passer in some ways. he still can get it out there every once in a while when a matchup dictates, but for the most part he has reinvented himself the last two years since the surgery. i just don't know if i can think of another quarterback that has done that as high or even a higher level that he played through. >> greg, even before the whistle blows sunday night, how does peyton manning rank in the pantheon of quarterbacks, the greatest? >> he is one of the three greatest. you could make an argument that he is the greatest. i think you could look at peyton manning and see
quarterback that has been at the forefront of the evolution of the nfl game since he came into the league. in many ways he is responsible for the evolution of the game. of course, for people that just look at numbers, meaning super bowl victories, that it is simply a mathematical equation. there is no debate. you just look at the number of super bowl victories. i think it goes far deeper than that. i think the subject is far more nuanced and complex and i think that peyton manning -- if he is not in your top three, and maybe at the top of your list, then you are not really clear as to what you are watching. >> there is an old expression in texas -- it is not bragging if you can do it. let's turn to the seahawks' richard sherman. is he bragging or can he really do it? >> he can -- he is a great press corner. the interesting thing about richard sherman is he's a terrific press corner when he lines up right on the line of scrimmage. teams have had a success against him when, by formation, they have been able to back him
off and make them play out what we call off coverage. it would not surprise me to see the broncos through formations and route concepts that work off of that to get him act off. i don't think that peyton manning will go into this game aying, i will not throw to richard sherman. i don't think the broncos will take that approach at all. >> we talked about the strengths of oath teams. that's both teams. i would not call them weaknesses, but russell wilson, as great as he is as a young player, he is not a terrific passer. the broncos secondary is not one of the better in the weeks. who wins the battle of vulnerability? >> most coaches will take the approach that if a team has a weak link, you attack it. you can make the argument that the broncos secondary is a little bit of a weak link. while seattle is not really a passing team, it would not surprise me to see russell
wilson and then offense take some shots early in the game to test that denver secondary, particularly the safeties. you can do that with how you choose to run your routes. >> greg, you are on a winning streak that would make our old friend steve sabol proud. you predict the last two super bowl winners, both underdogs. you can darn close to getting the score right. when the gun goes off sunday night, what will the score look like? >> i am breaking out into a cold sweat here. you're putting me under a lot of pressure. i am going to pick denver, 27, seattle 24. >> 27-24? with that score, peyton manning is probably going to have a better night. >> my sense is the broncos could not win without the manning being the driving force behind it victory. seattle could win without russell wilson being the driving force because he is essentially not in the way they have reached this point. >> greg cosell, the very
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