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, to say goodbye to retiring minority leader harry reid. ms. clinton: this is not exactly the speech at the capitol i hoped to be giving after the election, but after a few weeks of taking selfies in the woods, i thought it would be a good idea to come out. courtney: senator reid also took the senate floor to deliver his farewell address. he served in congress for 30 years and as his attorney's leader in the senate for 12. to pick amp plans fast food executive as labor secretary, i now spoken critic of the obama administration's labor policies. an outspoken critic of the obama administration's labor policies. remit has been a fierce critic of how the agency he plans to lead is suing over regulations. and new jersey governor chris christie will not be named to lead the republican national committee. the role and have allowed
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christie to remain governor while keeping a hand in national politics. ad the house has passed stopgap spending bill, but health benefits could force a week in session. current stopgap funding ends tomorrow. i'm courtney con. ♪ emily: coming up, the ecb doubles down on stimulus to the tune of $2.4 trillion, but can europe's tech sector capitalized? impact onalyze the the fund landscape. plus, nintendo and is the year with another gamble on an old favorite. and groupon cofounder andrew mason joins us for an extended
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interview, partnering with airbnb in his latest venture. first, to our lead. the european central bank its bond buying program. mario draghi morning that the latest stimulus push may not be the last if it does not reach its inflation goal. citedd if -- he government reforms as expanding to $2.3 trillion. what are the implications for the texting and funding landscape in europe, and how did tech stocks react? joining me is caroline hyde. extending the stimulus, but at a lower volume areas what does it mean? reporter: that was the conclusion to begin with. of go on the bullish side things? it has been slightly longer than expected all the way up to 2017. they will be injecting money. that makes it easier to buy bonds. on the flipside, a little bit of caution that they are only
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buying 60 billion euros worth per month. eventually, the market got its volatility out of the system and decided that this was a risk on picture. emily: so how did tech stocks react today? >> not as positively as banks area -- as banks. that in europe ramped up. we saw the best day for tech stocks going back weeks. single tech stock was hired. only six fell on the stoxx 600 area -- on the stoxx 600. it is interesting what we will be seeing in terms of d.c. action, because does this really change the overall tune of what has been happening? most in the market thought and mario draghi would ride to the rescue. most thought the stimulus would remain. therefore, the picture has not really changed. if you dig into what is going on , many feel,t
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despite the risks out there -- you've got brexit, the italian referendum, elections coming in germany, netherlands, france -- you've still got this appetite to see europe flourish. money keeps on coming in. emily: so how can we view this in the context of the uncertainty around a trump election and his policies, the uncertainty following exit, the potential for tax cuts, deregulation? itat the moment, we view that the central bank has got your back. they are factoring in these risks. the money is still going to be cheap, but the punch bowl is still there, and therefore you are still looking to divest, you are still looking for yield, you are still looking for areas to get into. being raised in europe, we have never seen such big funds. one in berlin just raised a bigger fund. of this means the funding rounds are getting bigger in
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europe, and there is more appetite. despite all this global uncertainty, it is a political uncertainty, and the money remains cheap. the vc future remains bright when it comes to europe. caroline, i want to talk to you about another story we are following. spotify, the music streaming service based in sweden, has given up on efforts to buy soundcloud, according to techcrunch. spotify is said to have walked away over fears that acquisition could negatively impact its ipo reparation. spotify is an eagerly anticipated tech ipo for 2017. , lucas us from l.a. shaw, who covers entertainment and music streaming. you understands it, why did this deal fell apart? lucas: soundcloud has been the year.ale most of it has a huge user base, one of the biggest music services in the world, but it struggles to make much money. spotify seemed like a possible
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acquirer, but people close to spotify always said that muchcloud wanted to do money. we ran a story over the summer that said that soundcloud spires -- soundcloud's founders were looking for as much as a billion dollars. caroline, that's interesting, because you recently interviewed the ceo of soundcloud, and he had something different to say about whether he wanted to stay independent. it's noticeable, isn't it, how they keep coming back to spotify? soundcloud,own with i asked, do you want to remain independent? here's what he said. >> ultimately, as a founder that's where you want to go. you want something completely sustainable and well functioning, and obviously that's what we are focused on doing. he wase: he told me focused on expanding into new countries, expanding the way in which they ramped up their
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streaming, because they were only just starting to monetize. talking to people familiar with the situation, they told me that the price point is just teed up different from what -- is just too different from what spotify was willing to pay. with a bigve spotify convertible debt load that gets ever more arduous, the longer they wait for ipo, 2017 just has to be when they push it, and maybe soundcloud was too long a stretch. is tieducas, maybe it to funding incentives. what do we know about if spotify is really on track for an ipo in 2017? publicly said has very little. those familiar say it is on track for next year. the challenge is convincing everyone that they do have a reliable business. every music streaming service struggles to be profitable and show real model, because they have to pay so much out to the people to make the music.
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spotify has been working to convince people that their model will work because they have more people paying for music than anywhere in the world. they are trying to build up their advertising business, which might have been one of the reasons they are interested in soundcloud, because you have 140 million people you can sell ads too. emily: there are reports that apple and spotify are january -- are generating $17 billion a year. is that realistic? lucas: that's the story. more than 40 million paying customers, apple music has 20 million. you multiply that by $9.99 a month and you get close to $7 billion. we reported earlier this year that the music business is on track to grow this year, and grow more than it has in a long time, and almost all of that is due to growth and newspaper services. story we will continue to follow. lucas shaw and l.a., caroline
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hyde in the studio. thank you so much. coming up, andrew mason earned his fame as groupon's founder. now he is founder of the tour. up.interview coming and by reminder, all episodes of bloomberg technology are now streaming on twitter. this is bloomberg. ♪
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emily: airbnb is turning down the volume around the world. earlier this week, the company released a report agreeing to enforce limits on rentals in london and amsterdam. it also brought a lawsuit against new york city and praised new rules in new orleans as a potential nationwide model. shift ines mark a
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airbnb's priorities. the company needs to start getting along with regulators in order to prepare for an eventual ipo. airbnb has also taken a big step towards becoming a full service travel company, rather than just a home rental site. the new platform called airbnb trips will give travelers tools to plan their entire vacation. has partnered with experienced companies including d tour, the bay area-based mobile lab for audio tours. it is founded by the leader of groupon. andrew mason led groupon when it was one of the biggest companies on wall street, when it prepared to go public for $25 million. shares are up 30% so far this year. mason joins me in the school -- in the studio to talk about his latest act. how does this partnership with airbnb work? andrew: at detour, what we make are these location-based audio walks through cities. we have been doing it in san
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francisco for a couple years and have recently started doing it at other major travel destinations, new york, chicago, l.a., and a lot more cities coming soon. -- i have known the folks at airbnb for a while, and they were gearing up to be a more end to end travel service and thought it would be a great match. what we are doing is producing a number of walks exclusively for the airbnb community. you can get them for the airbnb app. airbnb has their immersive experiences where you actually hang out with a local, sometimes for multiple days, and then they have things like list in the app of what they call insider guides, that are, by some kind of authoritative -- that are by some kind of authoritative, authentic local. we are kind of in the middle. if you are looking for something to do spontaneously that feels immersive and experiential, that's what we are trying to do. listening to a tour of
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san francisco, it is very personalized. there is a narrator who grew up there, recounting the grateful dead. talk to me about why this is wanted -- this is what you wanted to do after groupon. the narrator is named peter coyote, he was an actor, but before that he was part of a group called the diggers and was really part of the community in the 1960's. we are trying to give you access to somebody that you would otherwise never spend time with, and they are showing you the neighborhood through their eyes. it is closer to walking and another person's shoes that you can experience any other way. for me, part of what got me going about groupon was the idea the 50% offcounts, discounts that we were giving to these local services, whether it a sensoryion in deprivation tank or a bus tour from gary, indiana to chicago, things that you may be otherwise
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would not do if it were not for this deal that came along. we are forced against all the forces that are pulling you deeper into the screen. this is kind of a continuation of that for me. i love the idea of building things that make the real world entertaining, that get people a reason to get out of the house before oculus and its friends pull us in. we just fully enter the matrix. emily: how big of a business do you think this can be, and how big of a -- how do you think the partnership of airbnb will supercharge it? andrew to know.t's hard i remember doing early day projections in chicago about what ripon was going to be -- what groupon was going to be, and i used is a comparable. i thought maybe we would be a $3 billion or $4 billion business if we were lucky. but we combined existing markets and created a bit of a bit of anyone, and that's what we are
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.rying to do with detour we are trying to create something that is an essential part of experiencing cities when you go there. it is something everybody wants to use. the nice thing about the partnership with airbnb is that it gives us hopefully a level of exposure that is difficult to do. the hard part of this business is that you think of walking tours and are kind of like, no thank you. your relationship with those concepts is maybe going on a mediocre museum audio tour or something like that. it's not something you would go out and do for its own sake. story of groupon is legendary for the highs and lows. i am curious of your reflections on that, what you are doing similarly and differently now that you are on your next act. andrew: cymer lori and anderently -- similarly differently, there are a lot of experiences that will make you smarter, and dumber, by the way. the way that groupon happened, i was working on another startup
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that was a collective action platform for crowdfunding a group action that we then pivoted into groupon. knowing what i know now, somebody should've been my office and said, here is my deck for the original idea, i would have said that's never going to work, that's a fundamentally terrible idea. but it was through that rubble that groupon was formed. i try not to learn too much. i tried to stay stupid, and yet my team thinks i am doing a good job. emily: that's interesting. have you been following groupon? they've got up 30%, a new commercial campaign. i think it is actually pretty .ood there were some not so great commercials in the earlier days. andrew: i was thinking about that. remember when we did the super bowl commercial? people did not love that. throughook, you've been
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the trenches. what does that kind of detour?nce bring to th teach your employees about expectations, so to speak? andrew: i think we have a real space at the company and sticking it out for believing in the fundamental idea of what we are doing, the value of what we are doing, and letting that play out. we are working with no less of a sense of urgency, but there is a certain patience and acceptance about what it is that we are , and seeing that it is a valuable product that i guess comes from having similar experiences before. emily: we are talking about the rise of the experience economy, and airbnb is part of that. there is a lot of uncertainty around trump. markets have actually responded well. how do you think tourism will be affected in 2017, given
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what is going on with brexit and trump, and this sort of weight-and-c -- wait and see that everyone seems to be feeling? small: we are still enough that those kind of macro shifts, we probably will not feel that much as a startup. we are still a small company. i think for me, if there is one take away personally from what happened, it is just understanding the degree to which there is no substitute for truly empathetic experiences, and i think airbnb is a great example of a company -- there are few companies doing more to help facilitate those and make them easier to have, where you time andlly spend experience what it is like to be with another person that maybe so different from you. outre trying to take that of the home and into the streets, so you can go on a walking tour in brooklyn with a hasidic jew and
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experience a day in their life like you really could not in any other way. that is what we are trying to do. emily: andrew mason, cofounder of detour. great to have you. coming up, as u.s. stock benchmarks hit record highs, tech companies are split on the rally. we will talk about what could be holding back the stocks, next. this is bloomberg. ♪
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emily: as the u.s. stock benchmarks -- byde, and -- by, andrew -- facebook and google are underperforming since president robert mugabe be as big three lap. cory johnson joins us with the takeaways in the tech sector.
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i thought it would be useful to go through a couple of the companies and really try to understand some of the fundamentals, things that might change under a trump administration. there is great concern about, as it relates to netflix, how business cost of doing could change with a different fcc. the fcc cannot turn over completely. it has to be no more than three of the five members from any one political party. but jessica rosenberg has been a good friend of bloomberg west. she has to be appointed by commerce to stay on the commission, and that is not a given at all. be a lotre, there will of other fcc choices. the role of the road could change quite a bit. emily: remind us why netflix is so prominent in this debate. isn't it something like 40% of internet traffic at times is netflix? cory: that's exactly it. depends on the measures, the
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numbers are all over the place, but a lot of the traffic on the internet is netflix, and netflix will have to pay a lot more than other carriers. if you took netflix and youtube, those two businesses alone are responsible for a lot the traffic on the internet. amazon prime video is catching up. .ulu has a role as well and some as twitch, another amazon product. but when you look up the costs these companies would have to bear if they had to pay their way to get their service out there, it could be the benefit of some of the carriers like comcast and to the detriment of companies like netflix. said, companies like facebook, google, and apple also have a big dog in this fight on the side of netflix, and interestingly, mark cuban made an argument about the at&t-time warner merger on capitol hill yesterday, that this type of merger is necessary to create a powerhouse that can compete with facebooks, and
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googles of the world. flesh that out for me. cory: the argument is big business and small business. companies like netflix, what is their policy going to be, and what does that mean that might stifle innovation for much smaller companies that come up with innovation? the fcc under tom wheeler has tried to say, we are going to set up policies to allow anyone to access customers and homes regardless of what their business is at the moment. the policy that might be followed by a more conservative fcc would be to say, we are going to make big money pay your way and big money will get you access on this new internet with fewer rules. it could be a dramatic change. if you look at the operating margins for netflix, here's why it matters. this is a company with single-digit operating margins. virtually no free cash flow. if they have to pay a lot more money to deliver their service, they won't be profitable, they can't spend on content, and will have a lot
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of trouble in the future if the rules make it more expensive. emily: netflix has been used to , so we will be watching for that volatility. still to come, nintendo hopes another fateful franchise will hope top the summer success of pokemon go. we will focus on super mario with the nintendo of america president next. you can now listen on the bloomberg radio app,, and on sirius xm. this is bloomberg. ♪
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>> let's begin with a check of your first word news. the u.k. suffering court has wrapped a four-day hearing to power will handle
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britain's exit from the european union, parliament or the government. lawyers are challenging prime minister theresa may, saying she will trump hundreds of years of british law if she begins a brexit vote without the role of parliament. secretary of state john kerry is calling on his counterparts in europe to contain a slide towards authoritarian politics. in what may be a shot to europeans, secretary to carry -- secretary kerry told a conference in germany that freedom itself could be in jeopardy because of populist movements. europe has seen a rise in populist, anti-immigration parties as it prepares for the 2017 electoral year. and russia's foreign minister has agreed to cali meeting to discuss the withdrawal of syrian rebels from aleppo. sergey lavrov said after talks with john kerry in hamburg that they agreed to call a meeting with diplomats in geneva in
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saturday. the syrian army suspended its advanced to allow some 8000 civilians to leave the city. news 24 hours a day, powered by more than 2600 journalists and analysts in more than 120 countries. this is bloomberg. it's just after 5:30 p.m. in hot nine: 30 a.m., friday morning in sydney. i'm joined by paul allen with a look at the markets. paul, good morning. paul: good morning. it looks like we will have a bright end to the region. a fit ofnd trading up u.s.ter 90 minutes as stocks push ever higher at the close. nikkei futures looking good, asx 200's said to rise as high as one third of 1%. we saw base metals decline, including iron ore coming off its highs. iron ore still trading impressively above $80 per come -- per ton.
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of fortescue metals as it may take corridor equity money to diversify into other projects to ensure the company's battle sheet is "never threatened." take a look at crowne resorts as well. it is possible that may follow other gaming stocks lower. this is after china halted the atm withdrawal limit in macau. data coming out of china today, we have cpi expected to nudge up to 2.2% on year end november. i'm paul allen in sydney. more from "linear technology" technology"omberg next. ♪ emily: turning to the videogame world, 2016 has been a year of transformation for nintendo. the company made its jump into
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mobile gaming with the launch of komo app, and later the phenomenon that was pokemon go. in september, nintendo stole the spotlight with an apple product event this cash from an apple product event with this announcement from tim cook. eventm an apple product with this announcement from tim cook. >> please welcome sugar of miyamoto. that: nintendo announced super mario run will be launched exclusively on ios. 20 million people have already been signed up to be notified as soon as it is available next thursday. the nintendo of america president joined us earlier from new york to talk about the upcoming launch. >> we are working very hard with the folks at apple to make sure that from a server capacity standpoint we are prepared, but the numbers are going to be more
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significant than just the 20 million plus that have done the notify me. emily: there are three versions of the game, all free to play, $9.99 to unlock, that is a risky strategy. you think ofle do the 20 million will actually pay for that? just to be clear, there are three different modes within the game itself. there is over 24 different levels. from our standpoint, we believe that i high percent of people who begin to play super mario run will go on and purchase the full application. i say this just because of the experience i have had as i have shut off the game. supereople start to play mario run, they really are hoped. from my perspective, we believe the percent that will upgrade to the $9.99 is very high. to theit is exclusive
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apple platform for now. what is the timeline to get it to android? it is foryou said, now. to develop the game and make it special, we had to focus on one platform, and we decided to . in the future, it is coming to android, and that is something that will happen in 2017. emily: do you have any concerns about alienating that market? so,t: we don't think because our focus will be to bring it on to well those devices as quickly as possible. for us, it is about making sure the experience is great, that from a consumer standpoint they have access to this game. we see the market as 2 million -- 2more devices out there billion plus more devices out there, so surely it will be coming to the android platform as soon as they can area emily: -- as soon as it can. nintendo was part of the
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pokemon go phenomenon earlier this year. how would you describe momentum of pokemon go at this point? guest: whenever we have done special events, we did a special event at thanksgiving, there was about to be a new one, we see that engagement spiked backup, so we know that as we continue to provide new experiences to that pokemon go consumer that they are going to jump back in and continue capturing their pokemon. for us, it is continuing to make ongoing improvements, to make ongoing special events happen out there in the marketplace, but again, to step back, half a billion downloads is a huge base of consumers to continue activating. sony, one of your rivals, is hot on your heels with new mobile games as well. how do you see the balance playing out between the console and consul games, mobile games, etc.? back, from ap nintendo's perspective, our mission is clear. want as many consumers as
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possible engaging with our intellectual property, and having fun and engagement in doing that. for us, we are going to do that not only with smart devices and are dedicated console business, but we are going to do it with licensed merchandise. we did something with fans, for example, that was tremendously successful. we are also going to be in other forms of entertainment best exemplified by our relationship with universal studios. with that range, we believe that gives nintendo a tremendous advantage because of our stable of intellectual property. emily: how do you see the shakeup between pc and console and mobile? obviously you want the game to be successful on all these platforms, but where do you see the most engagement this year into next year? for us, we want to see consumers engage with super mario, for example, we want to see them do that on our home council business. we want to see them do that on
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our three ds business. we want to see them do that on mobile. they areective, if interacting with our ip and we enjoy it, we are winning in the long term. we are not placing bets on one area or the other. we will be in all these different areas, and with our content, with our developers, with the gameplay we deliver across these different platforms, we are going to win in the long term. emily: reggie and i have talked about -- reggie, you and i have talked about vr in the past, and i remember you sit 2016 would be the year that vr went mainstream. is that premature? guest: the marketplace data suggests that it is. suggestions of vr have continued to come down. it is about providing consumers that compelling experience that brings a particular form of technology to life, and i don't leave we have seen that yet the
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yard. i believe there is long-term potential for that platform, but to date, it is not delivered on the numbers that were initially projected. emily: that was nintendo of america president. story we are watching, fake news on social media continues to be in the spotlight. in the most recent voice to weigh in, hillary clinton. take a look at what she had to say on capitol hill. epidemic of the fake news and propaganda that flooded social media over the past year, it is now clear that so-called fake news can have real-world consequences. bipartisan legislation is making its way through congress to boost the government's response to foreign propaganda, and silicon valley is starting to grapple with the challenge and threat of fake news. emily: coming up, we speak to the founder of the design firm behind some of the biggest tech
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products. why he thinks design should be at the heart of any business, next. and some sad news to work, former u.s. astronaut and senator john glenn has died. he had been hospitalized for more than a week. he was the third u.s. astronaut in space and the first to orbit the earth. he spent 24 years in the senate representing ohio. he returned to space in 1998 at the age of 77. glenn was 95 years old. this is bloomberg. ♪
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emily: samsung is planning an all-screen flaunt for its samsung galaxy due out next year. the company needs a hit after
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the debacle of the note 7 form -- phone at bursting into flames. the new galaxy phone is scheduled to be released in march, though samsung may delay that to make sure there aren't any problems. the design firm ammunition knows a thing or two about iconic lands -- iconic brands. the group is behind the modern look of beats by dr. dre, to the revamp of the iconic polaroid camera. i am joined by ammunition founder and apple's former director of industrial design. in fact, he was responsible for hiring johnny isakson. i guess that's going to be on your gravestone. >> on my gravestone, the man who hired johnny ives. of the mostre one iconic designers and silicon valley. i'm curious, there is a debate going on in the design world now about design versus functionality.
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i'm curious, what is your philosophy as a designer? where do you start on what is most important? not debate is that has been a debate for as long as i have been doing this, function versus aesthetic and so forth, and it's all intertwined. iowa's look at what makes a successful product, it has to do with, is it usable, useful, or desirable? se are the things we always look at. but with a tech product, it has to work, it has to work well, and it has to be successful. of the primary failures for a brand, that the products do not do what people believe they will do. emily: at the same time, it has to sell. if you look at something like the iphone, it has been a couple of years since this particular design, and we are expecting a big overhaul next year, whether or not we see that, but how much more candies designs of iphones improves in your opinion -- more
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can the design of the iphone improve, in your opinion? ofst: it comes down to a lot detail and finesse. it is very close-in. what's really interesting is how in june consumers have become to that, how the glass is layered, what the edge is like, how close it is to the edge of the display them all these minute things, but they kind of bad up to what is new and valuable. we all know the design means something very deep to apple, and it is not just service, it is how things work, and they have the resources to continually push on that, so i expect to see something that is really exciting that is fundamental on how it is constructed. time, du the same think it will be big enough to kickstart sales even when the overall market is saturating? cory: i think we -- that: i think we have seen
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consistently. that is the interesting thing about a market that is saturated. design become so important. smartphones have transitioned to a very functional thing, but really into these everyday personal objects that we all carry and are a part of our lives, and we spend an enormous amount of time with him. andy: do you think apple the design culture will survive without the influence of johnny ve? the structure has changed. guest: of course. i don't think johnny has stepped back. emily: he is not as in the weeds. he is focused on the office, the campus. it is a design-driven culture. it will always be about -- everything is about the experience you put out, and we will build everything behind it
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to deliver it. that's what the culture does. emily: you have been working very hard, and i got a chance to look at all these things before we came on, i want to start with ber coffee mugs for em that you designed, that stays at the temperature you set it at. everybody who drinks coffee knows there is a five-minute window where it is too pot or too cold. cold. or too creating like connected things. this thing is very simple and pure. , inas a technology that addition to heat, can't fool. you put your drink in and put it to the temperature you exactly want it to be. on your phone, you can do presets, like you have a temperature for tea and multiple drinks. it works incredibly well. what we found, not surprisingly,
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is that people are incredibly passionate about their coffee. they are really into this idea of this mug. we managed to have starbucks pick it up, and they are selling it to their stores and online, and it has gotten an amazing response. it is a very simple thing. also, the revamped polaroid camera. you take off the iconic white border of the polaroid photos. talk to me about why. with: we have been working polaroid for a few years around this idea of sort of not redefining, but bringing out the brand again to a new audience, and sort of the polaroid values of simplicity and immediacy. we did the action camera, and that we have done the snap, a re-imagination of the classic polaroid camera. you take a photo, it gives you a picture to print. that's what snape is, using entirely digital technology to re-create that idea in a very affordable package. , the activitying
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tracker for kids. guest: it was something we got involved with unicef to help them develop this product. it does two things. it promotes exercise for kids and helps deliver nutrition to starving children around the world. the way it works is kids exercise in a game-like fashion. they use coins to essentially buy a meal packet for starving children around the world. it is also kind of a magnet for raising money, and that partners contribute money based on the coins raised by kids. is that itnd motivated kids to exercise more than anything, this idea of helping. it is the number two selling fitness band at target, ahead of apple. it has been real incredible. i see adults wearing them, which is amazing. brenner, founder
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of ammunition design studio. thank you for stopping by. if you need any gift ideas, now you have some. tomorrow, do not miss our exclusive conversation with commerce secretary penny pritzker. she discusses the incoming administration's trade policies on take. this is bloomberg. ♪
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is steppingr's ceo down. the cofounder was pushed out in early 2015 before returning six months later. he will take over as chairman of tinder. he will also run a new investment vehicle inside the match group called swipeventures. google's ceo larry page surprised the world with a letter announcing a radical revamp of the company.
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companyed the new structure under the name alphabet was a master plan of the new cfo. investors have since praised the 145%ts, sending stock up before he took office, but the balance of innovative freedom has come at a cost. ofck out our new edition bloomberg businessweek on shelves. mark joins me in the studio with more. it has been a rocky transition for the off of that family. describe. the summer, we saw this rapid departure of key at the units outside of google proper, the internet company. there are two issues. have more pressure to show profitability, there are budget constraints they never really had before, and it is a really odd corporate structure they are ceo'sat
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reporting up to a ceo. larry page is still very much the ceo of alphabet and the one calling the shots. emily: talk to us about the reception to in investmentd banking. internally, though, she is referred to as ruthless ruth. guest: she has been certainly great for google. alphabet has done phenomenally well. they have beat every single quarter. they have been investing a lot in cloud, and they think there are a lot of people who are with the budgeting. the company has historically been shaky with that. there are people we talked to in our story that think that that is risking killing innovation, and a lot of these research projects that start with these
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budget constraints can't push for the ambitious goals they have. we reported on a number of moonshot executives that have left. where does it leave these various units now? what are they investing in? what are they going back on? reporter: there are a couple of companies that are around biotech and health care. they are pretty stable. really kind of unclear what their business model is, but it is clear that the google , larry and sergey brin, are putting money behind that and are supported. like of hybrid projects, the self driving car, maybe, google fiber, those are projects they have told back from. why?: self driving cars, self driving cars are the future. reporter: there was frustration on this team.
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if they came out, this is kind of an absurd thing, and i will the collar companies, uber is --ng in tesla have gone in all the other car companies, uber is going in, tesla has gone in. they kind of beat them to it. emily: mark bergen, thanks so much. tomorrow, coming up on "bloomberg technology," don't miss our exclusive conversation with penny pritzker. she joins us to discuss the impact of the incoming administration's trade policies .n tech find us on bloombergtechtv on twitter. thanks for watching. ♪
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