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a news conference today, telling reporters that nobody he knew on his campaign staff contacted russian officials. and in the meantime, the original choice to run the labor department will return to his job at the hardee's chain. he had dropped his bid on wednesday and admitted to employing undocumented immigrant as a housekeeper. and running the white house budget office, democrats opposing the nomination for curbing the growth of medicare and social security. the oklahoma attorney general is one step closer to a leading the epa, pruitt one support -- won support on a procedural tally, but is opposed by governmental and environmental activists, as well as almost every democrat. alisa: the senate judiciary panel beginning hearings on neil gorsuch on march 20, selected by donald trump to fill the vacancy
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created after the death of antonin scalia a. global news 24 hours a day powered by more than 2600 journalists and analysts in more than 120 countries. i am alisa parenti. this is bloomberg. ♪ caroline: this is "bloomberg technology." , one mant samsung behind bars as bribery investigations unfold. and investors, looking at the offeringn of snapchat, $3.2 billion in nonvoting shares. and elon musk's new company. the tunnel vision that could change your morning commute.
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we will explain. in theanother twist legal drama unfolding of the top of south korea's company, samsung. the de facto leader arrested for allegations of bribery, perjury and in bozeman. a request of -- was denied last month. investigators looking at whether lee was involved in providing millions of dollars to benefit a close friend of the south korean president. and in exchange for government -- the succession plan. simpson denies allegations -- samsung denies allegations. jeffrey caine is joining us and working on an upcoming book from -- on samsung. and straight to jeffrey in seoul, can you put this into context? it looks like the trial could take 18 months. rest,he warns and the
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will he remain behind bars? >> it is not clear if he will remain behind bars throughout that time. it depends on what the south korean legal system decide, but what is unusual is a that lee had an arrest warrant issued against him and his father was involved in a similar scandal 10 years ago. and he never had an arrest warrant issued, so that says the government is down to business, this -- they are really going after one of the most powerful companies anyway that we have not seen. caroline: it is interesting, david, the share price does not seem to be affected by this scandal. it is incredible how the mighty fall, how much do you think this will affect business? it pours,n it rains, they are still recovering, not fully recovered at all from the exploding phone problem they had. it is a company
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that has been in a lot of sort of, in suspension with his father, who is really the ceo, so ill, nobody knows who is in charge. lee now under arrest, because his father, they cannot get rid of, he has been so ill. it is not a good situation at a time when they are facing a massive challenge that they had faced with these phones. it is a daunting development. and it goes to show how negative sentiment is becoming globally against the powerful, i think it dovetails with other developments. what is happening with the impeachment in korea, it is a difficult time. caroline: yes, if you could paint what is going on in south korea in general and this is the second time they have try to get this arrest warrant. why was it successful the second time?
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>> this judge had more of a reputation for not being pro-business. the previous judge that rejected the warrant, we do not know what happened in court, there is no transcript published. we know the previous judge did have a stronger pro-business reak, and that could have explained why the warmth was not issued. it is common for prosecutors ivee and others, to wa criminal charges against leaders. it has happened to others. it is the korean discount, shares undervalued because there is not much confidence in these business leaders. it is common for them to face corruption scandals and to be accused of influence peddling. it is not surprising to south korea. caroline: and again, does samsung become in disarray
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because the de facto leader is in jail? this is not first time the leader of the business has been painted with scandal and it seems like the business is directed by that very for -- very person. >> i have been in contact with them and they have consistently said that when the chairman is gone, business activities are not affected. despite what is happening and the poor governance, they have a lot of the world most talented designers and engineers and they make good hardware and i've never heard of the actual business being interrupted. and that is something that samsung must deal with, something to grapple with, because they built the empire over the past years that spans across so many affiliates. chips,ake ships, smartphones, all of the parts, and a single leader could be intelligent or a great diplomat
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for the company, but he is not somebody that can run every single business. they rely on their staff of engineers and managers to get things done. caroline: ok. is amazing. geoffrey with that inside. thank you. david will be sticking with us. the maker of snapchat wants to raise $3.2 billion in the ipo, according to the latest. that brings shares to around $14-$16. and it is expected to come to the market close on march 3. it would give snapchat a value of $18.5 billion. and we also learned that the cofounders could take home as much as $256 million. so david kirkpatrick, and cory johnson, it is an interesting one. they look expensive compared to
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peers, compared to when twitter came to the market. is not as muchit as they originally were looking to get. cory: they were around $24 billion and for groupon, that never came to be. what becomes of this, i do not know. it is high. on the positive side, they have big growth numbers. and we know the story of how hard the consumers are two reach and how valuable they are. but this is a high price for any company of any kind with any kind of growth metrics. but for one has negative margins, one with growth as small, where -- there where the questions raised. this will be interesting. there are very strange things in the filing, not the least of which is unsteady growth rate. there was a quarter, the first
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quarter of this year, only 14% growth sequentially and then he turned it around. so what happened? these are things that will come up on the roadshow. caroline: david, what do you think? how much is riding on snap and the founders and how much they take him, but how much is riding on the rest of the tech community? they need to get a price right. david: it is one of the biggest ipos in recent years. i think that the industry is watching this with fascination, because this company does rise above the rest right now in that it is sometimes, more or less legitimately compared to companies like facebook, twitter and google. it is smaller, but it does have the potential to really be a fundamentally new kind of communication, given the passion that young people have developed
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for it. i think it sort of symbolizes what people think are the next phases of technology, driven by video. and on the other hand, from the is symbolizes a kind of distorted financial mindset where they are not giving the shareholders any power whatsoever. and the idea that facebook pioneered, creating two classes of stock has been taken to the extreme and now every tech company thinks the founders should have complete control, which is where they have here. i think that is something the industry is watching with ambivalence. caroline: yes. rights,e lack of voting according to the filing, it is the first u.s. company to really level this, to have no voting rights going into the ipo. do you think they are being more cautious with a price tag? less the company is worth to the shareholders for many
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reasons. it is not growth profit. freehen it is not have cash flow and it is not the voters or the owners of the shares have rights, so there are many things snapchat is doing that will give it a lower valuation. whether it is beyond the pale, it is hard to say. not having voting rights does not bother anybody when the country is run as well as facebook. when you look at companies like groupon, it is not bother hathaway, when you have those lower voting rights. but it would bother them at yahoo!, when they are trying to save the company from itself. so we have seen with these companies when they face plant, others can come in and make the situation better. and they say this will never happen for snapchat. caroline: david, you are a man that knows the inner workings of facebook well. even as we see perhaps snap taking something out of the book
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in terms of control, we also see facebook again trying to copy what snapchat has been doing. can snapchat change the way in which the world works? formal facebook dine out on it? david: i do not think they are copying snapchat, i think there are things they have borrowed. and it has been acknowledged by instagram and others. i think the comparison between the two companies goes only so far. facebook when it went public had the potential to become a world altering service used by almost literally everyone. unless you believe that is true of snapchat, you cannot justify this kind of valuation. i do not think you can justify that kind of talk about snapchat. it does not have, in my opinion it is -- in its current design, the appeal to our parents, children of all ages, ordinary,
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working people. it does not have that capability. it is not a true comparison. cory: when you talk about the voting rights issues, there are issues you see right now in this company where it careful steward of money might say, why are we spending this money on personal security for the ceo? and investors might say, i would like a vote on these things. you are taking it away. caroline: we will see how the roadshow plays out and how they really try to push the fact that those using the app are addicted. great insight from cory johnson and david kirkpatrick. sticking with us. and now the company social finance known as sofi is close to raising half $1 billion, led by silver lake partners. and they said around could come next week. it livable for -- bolster financial services.
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is it includes several asian investors, who will take an equity stake. coming up, elon musk looking at the larger than life business ambitions and calling his latest venture boring. we will dig into the cover story, next. this is bloomberg. ♪
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♪ musk taking his talents underground, and advocate for clean energy, he is not trying the boring. at least that is what he is calling this project. the bourne company, the independent company is changing traffic forever by doing none other than digging holes and making tunnels. the company does not have full-time employees, but it is a
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story big enough to be the cover of the latest bloomberg businessweek. and still with us, david kirkpatrick. matt, great story. you spoke with elon musk and you said he was sleep deprived. tell us about the boring company. >> i saw him the same day he met with donald trump as part of the strategy and policy forum that became so controversial, and he seemed relieved to have made it through the week. there was criticism of him and some other ceos. max: his plan is simple, he will start digging holes in the ground and turn them into a vast network of underground tunnels that will change transportation forever. at least, that is the plan. and elon is one of these people that is probably the best at taking these kinds of way out
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their ideas and getting them to a place where people are able to buy into them. caroline: david, do you buy into it? he gets the gold medal for audacity in business. you have to love that he is willing to take a flyer on these big ideas. exactly why he wants to dig the tunnels, i am not sure. is as terrific as you said, but it did not answer the question as to why. so -- peoplemean, he -- as know, he has been talking about this plan to create a high-speed rail system. the open source the plans and has been encouraging other people to create hyperloop pods. my read on it is the tunnel thing is an outgrowth of that. the hyperloop, if it does
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happen, it is a high-speed rail system and would require a lot of tunnels, because once the train is going 500 miles per hour, it cannot make a lot of turns. thereforeunnels and somebody must do those, so why not elon musk? another reason for why is there is an opportunity with respect to just general sort of lack of innovation and construction and tunneling. one of his strengths is taking existing technologies and figuring out how to do them cheaper and more efficiently, with great branding. take a look at the innovation at tesla and spacex, but the core of it was not creating technology, but integrating technology and marketing it in a smart way. david: if i could ask, max, of course there is a lot of reasons why we would want more tunnels.
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we do have an infrastructure boom because of donald trump, maybe. and hyperlinks, fascinating -- hyperloops, fascinating. it has been developed by others. what will you do differently with the tunnels? he is purchasing an old machine. where is the innovation coming? max: i spoke with experts on this and kind of the upshot is, i expected they would laugh and they are not laughing, they are taking it seriously. it could be because he is a billionaire and maybe they sort of, it is to their advantage to take it seriously, but what they said is basically there has been very little innovation here. for instance, in seattle there was a big machine called big bertha that was stuck in the ground for maybe two years. and it broke down and they were not able to repair it. they had to dig it out and lift
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it with cranes and it was a delay. so a telling expert said, you could go faster if you had enough spare parts on hand and you did some things in smart ways. i think you can make a similar critique about aerospace when elon musk got into it. the other thing we cannot ignore inthat we are at a moment the political climate where the infrastructure investment has gotten more palatable. i think he is looking at the opportunity, obviously. caroline: max, great piece. and the lead on the bloomberg businessweek issue this week. david, you are sticking with us. and of course, you can get more on this particular magazine over the weekend on saturday and sunday. coming up, why with a single -- one of the largest funds in europe. we talk to the ceo, next.
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caroline: on the latest tech funding, london's atomico just close the fund to invest in european tech startups. it comes at a time where geological -- where geopolitical headwinds are happening. we asked whether it was difficult to have a eurocentric fund where most of the startups are in the u.s.? >> that is typically the view that people have, silicon valley and china as the giant tech companies, but if you look at opportunities in europe, it has been remarkable where we have gotten to in the last 10 years. there has been $40 billion companies in europe. and with artificial
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intelligence, europe and the u.k. have some of the leading companies. niklas: we believe there are opportunities here and at the same time there is an undercapitalized market, so we think that the data tells us that the valuations in europe are lower than the u.s. and china, so the opportunities are pretty good. caroline: that was niklas zennstrom. and in the united kingdom, microsoft has hiked to the price of products there, because of the decline in the pound. and the company says it is increasing prices on software and laptops. for one laptop is now 12% more expensive. ♪ caroline: in this edition of out of this world, billing and spacex will not be certified to be sending astronauts into space. a report says certification
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could be delayed until 2019, because of safety hazards. since the space shuttle program ended, the american astronauts have relied on the russian space agency for rise to the international space station. spacex willing and be working on space capabilities, the first manned thant is set for no later 2018. apple tv has vowed to revolutionize your television, but has not done that. you look at what they have in store for television operations, that is next. this is bloomberg.
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♪ you are watching bloomberg technology. alisa: we have a check of first word news. vladimir putin calling for a dialogue with u.s. intelligence services and other nato members. speaking to officials of the russian fsb, he said it was in
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the general interest to reopen communications, adding cooperation will bring stronger results in the fight against terror. the secretary of state met with his russian counterpart today in germany, and the highest level face-to-face contact between the u.s. and russia since donald trump took office. they are there for a group of 20 conference. and hamas reacting to the announcement that donald have is not committed to a solution. palestinianhe authorities should give up the illusion of cooperation. he says it marks the end of the peace process. iraq says the dental from a car bomb in baghdad is up to 47, nearly 50 other people are wounded. officials say the bomb was targeting car dealerships and the islamic state has claimed responsibility. malaysia arresting two more people linked to the death of the half-brother of north
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korea's leader. they arrested a native said to be the boyfriend of the second suspect. police say he provided information leading to the rest of a female has four older. global news 24 hours a day powered by more than 2600 journalists and analysts in more than 120 countries. i am alisa parenti. it is just after 5:30 p.m. in your, 6:30 a.m. thursday in hong kong, i have a look the markets from stephen engle. stocks facing down arrows early on after wall street's mixed session. looking at the main index for new zealand, down by 2/10 of a percent. and sydney futures are down, fairly flat, trading lower after yesterday. this was after a seesaw day that saw those health shares fell the most in six years. futures down in the
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early going. the big story is a developing one, a south korean court approving the special requests for the everest warrant of samsung's lee, who has been taken to prison and is awaiting formal charges and a trial that could be as long as 18 months away. executors say he was involved in bribery, and embezzlement, as he sought to take over south korea's most powerful conglomerate from his father. i'm stephen engle in hong kong. more coming up right now. ♪ ♪ this is "bloomberg technology." i'm caroline hyde. back to snapchat, setting out on their roadshow and they will be pitching to investors a more
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expensive valuation than any other media company we have seen before. alex reports. >> when deciding whether or not to put money into snapchat, investors will compare it to peers, twitter and facebook. so what is snapchat hoping you will equip them to? my sources say that they want you to think of them as amazon. there is a method to the madness, because it is a secretive company, investors must decide whether they trust the management to build a business on the back of highly engaged users. for now, it is unclear what it will look like outside of the app. while the company grows and expands, the management has told bankers that the financial performance could be "clunky." and the revenue model is only a couple years old and right now
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the losses are more than sales. sound familiar? these are amazon trademarks. the ceo of amazon has alarmed investors with massive spending to get into the new markets, but they have been successful, like the e-commerce platform and cloud service. some have been duds. about one from amazon investors have had to be patient. in the long run, it has paid off. the stock is up 43,000% since they went public. in the past 10 years, it is up 2100%. >> amazon is a once in a decade company and snapchat is a much younger and riskier investment. for now, the ceo will be left asking those shareholders to trust him. let'sne: that was -- begin with david kirkpatrick. you are negative when we started talking about -- you were
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negative when we started talking about snap. i will take the other side. this is a new way to communicate. understand millennial's -- it understands millennials like no other. could it be one of the best investments of the year? david: i do not think it will be a fantastic bet if you think it will perform up 43,000% interview like amazon. the ambition of amazon was much broader than any ambition that snapchat has articulated. i think they have figured out the millennial mindset in a way that no other company has, and they get credit for that. and there is clearly money in it. exactly how they extract the money is what is unclear. caroline: we will see how the business model progresses and the roadshow, it will progress as they go forward. david kirkpatrick talking about changing companies now.
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apple has vowed to recognize -- revolutionize tv, but as they get ready to unveil their fifth-generation of tv, only about 12% of connected customers actually use it. many opting for cheaper devices from amazon and wrote to. -- roku. where did apple go wrong? out on the piece television. you spoke with an insider who said the problem is it is not revolutionary. when can it become revolutionary? mark: i think it comes down to the content deals and the software that is more unique. right now, you connected to your big tv and it looks like a giant iphone. there are icons and it is really not unique, it is bringing what the iphone is to a larger display and that is not what people want. people inside and outside the company wants something more
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ambitious and it comes down to striking those content deals. and people need to say, we do not need amazon anymore, we can use apple hardware and software and bring it together like the pay $40 a mac, and month to get something that no other provider is offering. caroline: david, i have to say i have both, the fire tv and apple tv, and i lean on the second of them more. do you think that the future is bright for apple tv? david: i do not think they had presented a transformative experience for the customer yet and from apple, that is what we expect. i think it is legitimately a disappointment after now up to the fifth-generation, there is not likely to be that yet with a transformative device even close to what they achieved with the iphone. i think they are basically in a
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market with a lot of competitors and i do not think they have distinguished themselves. i am interested in knowing the degree to which the content ambition, some of which may have talked about this week, might really be the key to moving it forward, as mark implied. caroline: -- mark: i think the content ambitions are well beyond what they have come out with to date. they have been releasing new music videos and different content through apple music, no original content otherwise. they are doing a new show later this year in the spring, but nothing like netflix or amazon. when they do stuff like that, that will be a push toward apple tv. caroline: cap about the hiring they did -- talk about the hiring they have done. timothy d. twerdhal, is he in the manner what change this?
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making the content alliances and deals that will bring the new features? mark: hiring this person that built fire tv from amazon, who really embraced it, it could speed up the pace of apple. thathey previously ran apple into the direction of content deals. and one worker from a little who is known for this -- from hulu, who is known for this space. caroline: it is interesting, the price point is much more for this new generation of apple tv, twice as much as its predecessor. our people -- are people going to be ready to pay that price? david: typically apple has more interesting and useful features, which is not the case in this instance. i do not think it is that high
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of a price by the standards of these devices, but i do not think they have the right to price it the way that they are right now. and the bonus is on them to do the real innovating and it may require clever work with the rest of the industry that they have shown in other products, but i have not shown here. failedows how they have on that the spark. caroline: i think we will see if the clever work comes to fruition. mark, technology reporter and breaker of the story on apple tv. david kirkpatrick and the great to have you throughout the show avid, great to have you throughout the show. and the end of an era. 2016, fourth quarter of the king of the smartphone world soul over 200,000 phones. last september, blackberry announced they would no longer make their own phone.
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up, the zuckerberg initiative making his next bet, looking at the early education market. more on this, next. this is bloomberg.
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caroline: the fitbit ceo has shared a letter -- facebook ceo has shared a letter, a manifesto outlining the plan to resist sensationalism and to strengthen globalization my writing that facebook is building a global community. when we began, the idea was not controversial. every year, the globe becomes more connected. tone,riking a political
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giving way to movements. speaking of mark zuckerberg, the chan zuckerberg is diving into the early education market. the project will be investing in bright we'll, -- wheel. $50 billion is spent annually on pre-kindergarten education by parents, which dominates technology throughout the sector. bright wheel wants to create a freeway for those to manage their business, well sending parents update about their children. joining me is the ceo and founder. i am fascinated with this country, it blows my mind that this is only now being done. leave theirwill children at kindergarten and not have a connection. dave: whether it is investors or customers, they all say this should have been done a long
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time ago, but things were not right. and i think that we brought the right product at the right time and now we're looking at the response. caroline: you've got $10 million, and the chan zuckerberg , what do you do with the money? how do you view ball the business model -- we've all the business -- evolve the business model? dave: as we grow and have more greater reach, there is an opportunity to impact the schools and families and the investment is growing the team. we have done a lot with what we have, and now it is doubling down. we will double the team and invest in products and expand on what we offer. customers say they want more. caroline: we were talking about the size of the market, $50 billion parents spend every year other children for prekindergarten, so why is this underserved in the market? dave: this is a global industry. everybodyook at it,
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will go through early education. it is the number two things that people are spending on. and a lot of families know that it is the number one thing they are spending on every month. and it has not been served well. so when you look at families that are working, they need that childcare to be able to work on a day-to-day basis and it is one of the biggest things you can do when you look at the group coming in. what do they believe in? it affects long-term development for the kids. really big and important, but completely broken and we are able to fix some of that. caroline: the way in which you fix some of that is connectivity must sign in and out children, send pictures and there are other products coming to it. do you go outside the united states? dave: we do. we are looking across the spectrum. we spent months shadowing those
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on the ground and trying to understand what they are using. we saw a lot of old software, so bringing them together and making it easy to use. the response is global. we have people from brazil and china it using us. it is a universal need, both from the school and from the family. and when those ties are broken and this is a universal solution. caroline: it is a premium model. it has so far been free. and i am sure that has made it easier to get into. like brazil. so how will the company and schools giving money? dave: we are starting that. we have had an amazing response. this is something that is good and as a business owner you will adopt it and as a parent you will trust the. -- it. we are now moving in the direction of advanced solution,
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if you want to add more and manage staff, you are building. you want to manage more components in your school, there will be learning components. what we saw is these are people that want to go in and run schools and run a business at the same time and you get a hodgepodge of tools, different systems, you have excel, accounting software and all these things. we are saying, it should be seamless and easy to use. we have a core product with some indication and record-keeping and we will expand that. caroline: quickly, why are not more businesses investing in this area? dave: it is very fragmented and it is tough to get scale. we are pouring our hearts into this product and building a really good product and with word-of-mouth things spread. caroline: great having you. the bright we'll -- wheel founder and ceo. cory johnson is live from the
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technology summit in new orleans. do not miss his exclusive zelnick. with strauss right now, google is coming up. cutting back on broadband and releasing balloons across the globe. we have details, next. this is bloomberg.
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♪ samsung. an update on the south korean court had issued an arrest for the de facto leader of samsung. he was going into court as you saw in the pictures. samsung says they will try to do their best to reveal the truth in the court trials. and some commenting in email statements. we will bring you more as it comes in. in 2030, google running tests and expandingon
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broadband across the globe. they say it is not necessary anymore. they say they have found ways to run the program with fewer balloons in particular regions. we are joined by tom giles. break it down. it can be slightly more targeted now. tom: they have figured out how to do it much more efficiently, another example of what people have said about ruthless -- they are asking people to scale back the ambitious projects and do things more efficiently, in a way that will help the different moonshots, if you will, achieved profitability more quickly. she has brought more accountability and this is a product where google is scaling back and as you said, do things more efficiently. what google has done is take
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computing prowess and essentially work on navigation systems and work on making these more efficient and need fewer of them. caroline: the scale of the opportunity, the ambition as we understand, is there to provide internet across the world, they feel like a more efficient way of doing it is the technologies they are using anthony c -- and the cfo is forcing this. mr. not happend before. -- mad this did not happen before. tom: this was a company that was trying different things and is set google apart, it did draw people in and it created an atmosphere of being an entrepreneurial place where you could take risk. i think that is still encouraged, but at the same time there is a clock ticking in the background and the realization that you are not going to be able to do this forever.
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you cannot explore these willy-nilly. at some point, we want to see commercialization, pay off, and monetization of these projects. caroline: the car area of the business is standalone and it must feed itself and growth for itself. any idea when there will be commercialization of the balloon project? tom: it remains to be seen. we were not seeing an explosion in money from this. the ambition remains unchanged. they are about organizing the world information and ensuring people have access to wi-fi and ensuring that people have internet access in those remote areas of the world. that is something google believes in deeply. caroline: something facebook has been trying to solve as well. we will see who gets there
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first. tom giles, putting it into perspective. meantime, the revolving door swinging again. the division of alphabet that includes fiber. the former ceo of telecom service aerial communications taking the helm, but with the appointment, things will be slimming down. several hundred employees will be moving. and that does it for this edition of "bloomberg technology." all episodes are live streaming on twitter. check us out weekdays at 5:00 p.m. in new york, 2:00 p.m. in san francisco. this is bloomberg.
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