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emily: i'm emily chang this is bloomberg technology. president trump holds a gathering of conservative social media users. while he says he will be summoning up against a the white house. amazon wants to read train workers. it says it will spend hundreds of millions of dollars to do it. this as the company is under intense public scrutiny under
how it treats its warehouse employees. twitter under the sun. feels about not getting an invite to the presidents meeting. remarks fromng president trump, who is expected his efforts to- add a citizenship question to the senses. administration bills the summit as a gathering to bring together digital leaders for a robust conversation. various conservative lawmakers, organization leaders, and internet personalities were on the list of attendees. many of them echo president trump's complaints that social media silences conservative voices. what do we know about what
happened behind closed doors? >> he did make some comments afterward and said you are journalists, influencers. the gives you a sense of who these people are. of presidentorters trump or who he sees as allies. it is a little bit tough to imagine there was much progress made in fixing social media's biggest problems. i imagine it was a lot of talking about similar complaints that they might all have. the president was on a roll this morning, tweeting about this ahead of the summit. he asked, what i've become president without social media? yes, probably. today will be dishonesty and these companies. we will not let them get away with it much longer. there is this whole
conversation that we have been having for a couple of years. these platforms are biased against conservative viewpoints. we had congressional hearings about that. aboutent trump has talked a lot. he has called out facebook and twitter. definitely the believe going into this. the question is, will anything get accomplished as a result of this? has said that the u.s. government should sue google and facebook for unspecified reasons. don't imagine anything well. it is hard what would come out of it had they even been there. the fact that the companies weren't there, they have been hearing these complaints. they have been on social media for a long time. we keep talking about them. it is not like they are unaware of these ideas. it is hard to imagine anything changing. emily: during this meeting,
twitter went down. the ironing. any idea if it was related? kurt: twitter did not say it was related. they said it was a technical glitch. the ceo tweeted that he is important -- proud of the engineering team. my twitter was down. but it now seems to be working. speak to the cfo. we will talk to him later in the hour. he did not have much detail to at. what is the company said in general about not being invited? kurt: they have not said anything for the record. the idea that they are not invited us a little bit all of the, because complaints are about them. if they are not in the room, it is hard to expect facebook or twitter to do anything differently. i feel these accusations of bias
and conservative bashing, we have yet to really see any hard evidence that that is the case. there are individuals who like to complain about it. fox news has a lot to very popular facebook posts. the word gets out. emily: at this press conference after the summit, the president said he is inviting or summoning the companies to the white house and the next week or two. how thea sense of companies having gauged thus far with this particular administration. jack dorsey recently met with president trump. they have showed up in washington a lot. a lot of tech founders showed up after his election where they did this awkward meeting. as if people are unwilling to have a conversation. the issue is when they show up,
it become some kind of bashing session. lately with facebook, we have seen that to be the case, where they come to these hearings in their routinely accused of conservative bias or being too big. i'm not sure how eager they are to show up if nothing actually happens. there are potential pending ethics investigations against facebook and google. is there some grand plan here? kurt: it is related to facebook's power. about how muchl power they have and the influence they have. does facebook have the power to leave up or take down certain opinions and thoughts? back to thecomes idea that facebook is too big for its own good. we will be watching to see what happens in the next couple weeks.
now to a story we continue to watch. the white house will investigate a french plan to impose taxes on global technology companies. the move is a prelude to what could be new u.s. tariffs under the trump administration. tech giants like amazon and various trade groups are supporting the move. it is fascinating that the president has assailed these fornology companies anti-conservative bias and yet at the same time the u.s. is going to that for them, announcing they will investigate a plan by france to tax tech companies, which are mostly global u.s. technology companies. what is the strategy here? is really part of a wider push by the trump administration to level the playing field for u.s. companies.
it does affect facebook, google, amazon. pretty big players see you think andd fend for themselves appeal for their own interests. in this case, the trump administration sees this is something they do not want happening. they are using this investigation power that they use to slap tariffs on china. in the end, they have not been the biggest proponents of it. emily: the senate in france passed a bill to impose a 3% tax on global technology companies. asked the in the past u.s. to work in a fair digital tax. give us the contacts. sarah: france will be the same
in the european union to pass additional taxes. but it is not the only one that is trying. the u.k. is, the czech republic. it is definitely a movement toward this. what it stems from is these companies see that a company can be based in the u.s. and pay corporate taxes here but there are actually gaining revenue from countries all over the world. they want a piece of that. for a company, it sees it has double taxation. there is a big push to get a global agreement on this. out things and it is not just a patchwork of separate digital taxes all of the world. there will bee, legal challenges in france, whether it is through the eu are the local courts. the u.s. isas
preparing to negotiate a new and limited trade agreement with france. how likely is it that this will lead to new tariffs? sarah: france is part of the european union. as a customs union, they face uniform taxes. it is hard to imagine. no one can really spell out the case of the trump administration tries to slap a terrible on france how that will be implemented. no one has ruled that out. another strategy that people the trumpd about is administration could put a tax on eu goods but it targets french exports like wine. this is just the start of the investigation. we do not know what the outcome will be or what the recommendations are. what we do know is trump has the final say in these kinds of investigations. he has unilateral authority. emily: what do you make of the fact that at the same time the
u.s. is trying to protect these companies abroad, the president himself is attacking these companies here at home? looming potential antitrust investigations against text companies. complaints against anti-conservative bias. the president saying the u.s. government should sue google and facebook. a lot of the trade policy does leave us perplexed. divorced from the principles that the trump administration stands for. another area is national security. a nationalawei is security threat and crackdown on it. hand, they're taking actions. on the other, they have alter your concerns. it is hard to imagine what the next play is.
i think this digital tax took everyone by surprise. we don't know if tech companies were given that much morning. this was something that took everybody by surprise in the morning on wednesday. we are continuing to follow the developments from the social media summit at the white house. thank you for your update. muskg up, changing how talks tesla. change how held talks about the company in public. if you like bloomberg news, check us out on the radio, listen on the app, or in sirius xm. ♪
emily: teslas largest shareholder is advocating for elon musk to refine his approach to the public. we have to pour his thoughts. i know i have no foresight. i think that is what we are looking for on a structural level. the last thing we want to do, and i would be resilient about this, is to in any way cramp the great gifts and extraordinary
achievements that elon musk has. are ways of communicating with the outside world and the markets that are more fruitful. i think we do see ways we can work toward that. i hope he is not opposed to that. >> with that mean a social media blackout? >> i don't think it needs to be a blackout. should avoid reversals of policy. i hope that is not too much for a major shareholder to ask. emily: i want to bring in our reporter. how big is it for the outside
shareholder to criticize elon musk? >> he has done this three times now in a year. you heard him reference in his conference a year ago, he used the phrase peace and execution as something he would like to see out of tesla. this was just after elon had made headlines for calling the cave diver in thailand a pedophile. and going after analysts on an earnings call. to his credit, tesla managed that. they had a great second half of last year. they got the model three going. but they did not have peace. it was just a few weeks later that he tweeted that he was considering taking the company private. unpacking what he said yesterday, he talked about setting these potential unrealistic targets.
and setting precise deadlines for them. he very much has done that. he talked about the idea that there will be one million self driving teslas on the road by next year. he has had the sudden shifts and approaches to policy at tesla. -- most notably the retail approach. he suddenly set we are going to close on most all of our stores. within 10 days, he reversed course. he really unsettled a lot of people in the process. that attempt to close the vast majority of the stores did not work. also notd he has oversarily one over -- won
people to the fact that tesla's consolation and the prices of their cars, reworking how their packaging autopilot. of histicked off some true believers by making some of the sudden changes. for a majorl shareholder to openly talk in this way. but i think in this case, as you heard, he is very evenhanded of praising the brilliance of elon politely asking if he can stand around the edges a little bit. emily: let's talk about the execution part. gettinge is tesla to its goals on production and delivery so far this year? craig: we got our hands on a memo earlier this week.
it was an eu mouth on the automotive president of the company talking about expanding production at fremont, where they are making their cars. on the model three side, they are doing extremely well. i think they cut a lot of people off guard. under the radar, there is some concern on the part of the analysts and investors that the s and x are not doing so well. you have seen him on twitter come out and say an updated is not in the offing. there have been rumors and -- maybeon of mayberry there is a redesign for those models that have been out for years. they discussed a merry and the auto industry to see a refresher or a nose job on a car.
there have been concerns about may be the model three, because it is cheaper, has been cannibalizing demand for those higher market vehicles. until it elon is able to have a little bit of both and be more balanced in that regard, there is some concern over whether they will execute from a profitability perspective. emily: his plan to raise more money? we saw them go to the markets to go to an equity and debt deal with in the last couple of months. that may be puts that need off for the time being. ofre is a real open question , despite the fact that they just had a second quarter where they broke their deliveries record, whether or not they were able to do that at the expense of profit. the idea ofd
getting back to profitability. they rolled out that they were able to do that in the second quarter. there are some questions as to whether they are able to pull that off, especially as the incentives in the u.s. continue to taper off at the federal level. it is now less than $2000 that a when you buy aor tesla. that will make things all the more difficult when a year ago $7,500alking about a federal tax credit. emily: thank you. coming up, shares of t-mobile and sprint were under pressure thursday. we will tell you why. and we are live streaming on twitter. be sure to follow our global news network tictoc. ♪
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emily: this is "bloomberg technology." i'm emily chang in san francisco. amazon has announced it will spend $700 million to retrain about one third of its u.s. workforce. the goal -- to give 100,000 workers skills needed to thrive economy.w amazon says this will allow workers to move into more highly skilled jobs in the company or elsewhere.reers joining us as our senior tech editor brad stone and josh adelson. josh, tell us how the new program will work. reporter: amazon is pitching this as one of the largest workforce investments of this kind that any company has made.
they say it will help people who are in jobs like warehouse jobs get into better, more appealing jobs. they say it will help workers who want to get better jobs outside of amazon eventually get training, get schooling, move onto something. clearly, it's about some combination of making those less appealing amazon jobs more appealing as well as helping people move into potentially more appealing ones. emily: so you're saying if you are packing boxes and warehouse, you could potentially become a software engineer? reporter: amazon said they will provide a whole range of training including helping people move into jobs involving hot areas like software. emily: i assume it's no quincy didn't this is happening at a time when amazon -- coincidence this is happening at a time when amazon is under fire for how it treats workers. there is a practical reason for this and also a preventative reason.
. the practical reason is it is a highly competitive worker market. there are 6 million unemployed americans and 7.4 million job openings. that point in their press release today. they are competing with walmart and everyone else. it is a practical reason. the preventative reason is amazon is under fire today, but one day when it is the largest employer in the country, hypothetically, think about how much fire it will be under. for that day, they want to make sure they are not seen as an authoritarian, ruthless employer. emily: as you said, this is not a new issue. why now? why is amazon suddenly caring? reporter: it is that they are beginning to get pressure from politicians, scrutiny from d.c. europe. it is bernie sanders today, but tomorrow, it could be both ends of the political spectrum.
it is their growth. they are growing 20% topline per year. about one million employees throughout the world if you count temporary workers. . walmart, about 2 million. you can see a day when amazon becomes the largest employer in the world, and that will have pressure. emily: on one hand, we talk about the lack of workers to fill technical roles. on the other hand, there's an explosion of warehouse jobs, given what amazon and walmart are doing, and a decline in traditional retail jobs. what are the dynamics happening at the ground levels that has led amazon to do this? reporter: by some measures, it is the tightest labor market in half a century. you have companies complaining there's a shortage of the types of workers they want. of course, some management and economics experts would respond, are you offering enough money? emily: exactly. do they want the workers to
accept eight dollars an hour? what workers do they want? reporter: part of the question management experts have pointed out is how much of the work do you expect people to do? do you expect them to walk in being able to do this? there's a difference saying you need to walk in the not -- and the door and no one hundred percent of what you will do versus 60%? here we see amazon recognizing they will get people at the rate that they want, at they need to do training. the other thing going on is you see waves of worker activism like places like walmart, mcdonald's, like uber. we reported they will be a strike on prime day at a minnesota.n that is a place where it has become an epicenter of activism among amazon warehouse workers. that is not unrelated to the political scrutiny on the company and labor market conditions. emily: you have done a lot of reporting on the experiences of these workers. in the us about a day
life of an amazon warehouse worker. there have been comedic spoofs on how we get our packages so fast, but this is the real life of a lot of people who are doing really hard work. reporter: one of the biggest issues that has led workers to organize is this issue of productivity quotas, the rate at which they are expected to accomplish. the workers in the minneapolis area for example say the rate is an issue in terms of security because of people getting terminated over it, and in terms of the safety because of. the pressure to produce. . some people organizing around the issues are not going to be satisfied around the idea that amazon will help them get some training to someday get some other job somewhere else. emily: talk to us about how that is related to the competition between amazon and walmart and all these companies to deliver faster, better, smarter. same one-day delivery. right.r: that's
as bad as conditions are now in some centers, they are likely only to get tougher. we talk about safety and workers having to walk around. amazon has been addressing a lot --that because they are our there are repercussions. ,he life of an amazon worker immensely repetitious work that makes the workers reasonable robots. they are just doing things over and over. it is boring. there is an outgrowth of this push to seven-day delivery, faster, automated work houses -- warehouses. these programs will offer workers who want to stay with amazon a way out of that position. emily: we will be watching this to see how it plays out. thank you. coming up, we will go to sun valley, idaho. when will we see flying cars?up next . this is bloomberg. ♪
could answer questions like that very easily. there will used to be a time when you could proudly declare, i am a citizen of the united states. now they are trying to erase the very existence of a very important word and a very important thing, citizenship. coming after the pledge of allegiance in minnesota. i am proud to be a citizen. you are proud to be a citizen. the only people who are not proud to be citizens are the ones who are fighting us all the way about the word citizen. today, i'm here to say we are not backing down on our effort to determine the citizenship status of the united states population. i stand before you to outline new steps my administration is taking to ensure that citizenship is counted so that we know how many citizens we have in the united states.
makes sense. we will defend the right of the american people to know the full population, size of citizens and noncitizens in america. it is essential we have a clear breakdown of the number of citizens and noncitizens that make up the u.s. populations. imperative. iswing this information vital to making sound public policy whether the issue is health care, education, civil rights, or immigration. we must have a rel count of how many citizens, noncitizens, and illegal aliens are in our country. the department of commerce sensitively decided to -- sensibly decided to include a citizenship question in the 2020 census as has been done many, many times throughout the history of the united states. unfortunately, this effort was delayed by meritless litigation.
as shocking as it may be, far left democrats in our country are determined who concealed the number of illegal aliens in our midst. they probably know the numbers much higher than anyone would have ever believed before. maybe that's why they fight so hard. broaderpart of a left-wing effort to erode the rights of the american citizen and is very unfair to our country. the supreme court ultimately affirmed our right to ask the citizenship question and very strongly, it was affirmed. but the supreme court also ruled we must provide further explanation that would have produced even more litigation .nd considerable time delays
the case is in three district courts that happen to be totally honest, extremely unfriendly to was. these delays would have prevented us from completing the census on time. but iseeply regrettable not stopping us from pursuing. we are pursuing a new option to complete a of the question.nship . i will issue an executive order today to put this very plan into .ffect immediately . i'm hereby ordering every department and agency in the aderal government to provide record of the number of citizens and noncitizens in our country. they must furnish all legally -- we will utilize these vast federal databases to gain a full, complete, and accurate count of the noncitizen population, including databases
maintained by the department of homeland security and the social security administration. we have great knowledge in many of our agencies. we will leave no stern -- stone unturned. this could determine citizenship for 90% of the population or more with today's executive order which eliminates long-standing obstacles to datasharing. we are aiming to count everyone. ultimately, this will allow us to have any even more complete count of citizens tha throughn asking the single question alone. it will be, we think, far more accurate. the census bureau can use this information along with information in the questionnaire to create the official census. in other words, as a result of today's executive order, we will be able to ensure the 2020
census generates an accurate count of how many citizens, noncitizens, and illegal aliens are in the united states of america. not too much to ask. a widell greatly inform array of public policy decisions. is alsoormation relevant to administering our elections. some states may want to draw state and legislative districts based upon voter eligible population. indeed the supreme court handed down the decision. with today's order, we will collect all of the information we need to conduct an accurate census and to make responsible decisions about public policy, voting rights, and representation in congress. in everything we do, we will
faithfully represent the people of the united states of america. i would like now to introduce attorney general bill barr to the podium. thank you. [applause] >> good evening. thank you, mr. president. congratulations on today's executive order, which will ensure that we finally have an accurate understanding of how many citizens and noncitizens live in our country. as the supreme court recognized, it would be perfectly lawful for the federal government to ask on the census whether individuals are citizens of the united states. it is entirely reasonable to want to know how many citizens and noncitizens there are in the united states. in fact, the federal government has routinely asked questions
related to citizenship ever since the 1820's. while the supreme court correctly recognized that it would be entirely appropriate to include citizenship questions on the census, it nevertheless held that the commerce department did not adequately explain its decisions for doing so on the 2020 census. because, as the supreme court default wasthe curable with a better record, the president asked me to work with secretary ross to determine whether there remained a viable path for including a citizenship question on the census. i did so. in my view, the government has ample justification to inquire andt citizenship status could plainly provide rationales for doing so that would satisfy the supreme court. therefore, there is no question
a new decision to add the question would ultimately survive legal review. any newlem is that decision would be subject to immediate challenge as a new claim in the three ongoing district court cases. in addition, there are injunctions currently in place that forbid adding the question. there are -- is simply no way to toigate these issues implement any new decision without jeopardizing our ability to carry out the census. to do.e are not going we are not going to jeopardize our ability to carry out the census. as a practical matter, the supreme court's decision closed all paths to adding the question to the 2020 census. put simply, the impediment was a legal one.l, not
we simply could not complete the litigation and time to carry out the census. one other point on this. some in the media have been suggesting in the hysterical mode of the day that the administration has been planning to add the citizenship question to the census by executive fiat without regard to contra report orders or what the supreme court might say. this is based on rank speculation and nothing more. --should be obvious there this has never been under consideration. we have also accepted that any new decision to add a citizenship question to the census would be subject to judicial review. turning to today, i applaud the president for recognizing in his executive order that including a question on the census is not the only way to obtain this vital information.
course, -- of the course the president has chosen will bring unprecedented resources to bear on determining how many citizens and noncitizens are in our country and will yield the best date of the government has had on citizenship in many decades. will be usedion for countless purposes as the president explained in his remarks today. for example, there is a current dispute over whether illegal aliens can be included for apportionment purposes. depending on the resolution of data may be, this relevant to those considerations. be studying this issue. congratulations again mr. president on taking this effective action. [applause] >> thank you very much.
emily: president trump wrapping up his remarks at the rose garden. you just heard from attorney general william barr as well. the president announcing he is pursuing a new executive order to pursue a new option that would require every federal legal to hand over databases and information about citizens and noncitizens to the u.s. government. the president saying it is not acceptable to not have an accurate count of citizens and noncitizens in the united states , so he intends to ask all federal agencies to hand records over including the social security administration, the department of homeland security. the president and attorney general also referring to the litigation that prevented them from adding a question on the census about citizenship as meritless.
the president backing down from that initial attempt to add a question to the u.s. census on citizenship, but now pursuing a new option with a new executive order. bloomberg's alex wayne is with us on the phone from washington, d.c. reporter: the president acknowledged he will not be able to get a question about citizenship into the 2020 census, that once a decade count of everyone living in the country. instead, he said he will order government, all agencies in the government, to provide any data they have immediately on citizenship status of the population to the commerce department. the commerce department will separately come up with some sort of count of the number of noncitizens and undocumented immigrants in the country. reporter: the reason this has been so controversial is because critics say this would give an abnormal amount
of power to redistrict, gerrymandering to the president said this would be a more accurate count than the census would have provided. is that true? reporter: it's unclear. we don't know too much about this alternative count method he described today at the rose garden. he didn't allow us to ask questions about it. we will have to see what the actual executive order says. he said something about using this alternative count to do things by law, especially as census data. it is not clear to me he can use this alternative information to do things like redraw congressional districts or allocate federal funding around the country. emily: alex wayne for us in washington. again, president trump acknowledging he will not, they cannot add a new census question to the u.s. census on
andy: top media, tech, business moguls have converged in idaho for a meeting of the minds. we caught up with sebastian thrun, the founder of kitty hawk. take a listen. isthe way to think about it gravity. suppose you could lift yourself up 400 feet in the air. suppose that worked. what would you do? you go in a straight line to work and a straight line home. maybe you do this at 150 miles per hour. that means you can go from downtown manhattan to new jersey in one minute. d.c. to therom
airport in like eight minutes. no traffic reliable, ever. that is the vision. reporter: and this is also an electric vehicle, so no carbon emissions? >> electric vehicles do have elsen emissions, somewhere , but yes, they are electric. they are electric partially because it is everywhere, so we don't have to go far to get it. also, they are quiet and very safe. reporter: what do you envision the applications for this? is this a personal product, air taxi? >> the next generation of uber or lyft should be in the air and you should enjoy it as a passenger not just as faster transportation, but also safer.
there are accidents mostly because of distractions. in the air, there are no distractions. reporter: i would think the faa would have a view of this. >> we have a great relationship with the faa. they are constructively thinking about it. there are solutions. the sky is massive. people often say, what if all the cars are in the sky? just think of it for a second. on the ground, we have one-dimensional things called roads. if there are two of them, it is a stop. in the air, you just separate. there is so much more real estate. you can make a new highway. no pavement needed. emily: sebastian thrun in sun valley. that's it for this and -- this edition of "bloomberg technology." we will see you back here tomorrow. this is bloomberg. ♪ i don't know why i didn't get screened a long time ago.
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