tv Squawk on the Street CNBC December 21, 2012 9:00am-12:00pm EST
holidays, i thought we would pour ourselves a little bit of wine. we did this last year to say thank you to everybody for a wonderful year. i know some people will be away next week, including becky. but we'll be together this is the best. you'll love this stuff, if you remember last year. you give bottles of this away and you make friends, i promise you. >> barry, your thought on what we do here for the market? >> first of all, broadly, i think the market has had -- and will continue to have a really difficult time assessing public policy risks. my first 24 years in the business, the only focus that you have was on the fed. and so we're just in the wrong spot. >> happy holidays to everybody. squawk is like a cocktail party in the morning. so thank you, guys. appreciate it. >> happy holidays, everybody. time for "squawk on the street." good friday morning. welcome to "squawk on the street." i'm melissa lee, along with carl
cramer and david faber. this could be a very big day in the markets. the day after the attempt to pass plan b in the house has failed. we saw the futures down as much as 200 points. right now we're down 162 on the dow. the s&p looking to lose about 19 at the open. most notely we're seeing a spike in vix futures. it's indicating more volatility ahead. europe, largely taking the cues from here in the united states, and the news last evening about plan b. we are seeing a 1% loss in italy, germany is down by .9%. >> of course, futures as you saw are taking a hit on concerns that a deal will not be reached to avert that fiscal cliff. an attempt by house speaker boehner to avoid that class and pass the so-called plan b tax bill. that failed. the measure that would have kept current tax rates for those making less than $1 million a year. it never even made it to the
house floor. speaker boehner is scheduled to hold a news conference about an hour from now. of course, we'll bring that to you live. >> here we are. >> here we are once again. >> there was no real plan b. there was no real possibility of this. the republicans, the vast majority signed a pledge, they will not vote for tax increase. who would think they would suddenly turn around and vote for a tax increase. they pledged not to. >> the speaker said they might. >> i don't care. >> unless it's some sort of a plan to show how he's really -- you know, you've got to negotiate harder. because look what i'm dealing with. >> these guys -- do you suddenly think they're saying, all of a sudden we're for taxes. no tax increase. they can't do it. you can't twist their arms. they're elected. they don't think they're elected because of president obama. they have safe seats. they're not going to do it. let's stop talking about it.
>> maybe they can vote for a tax cut. >> they can't do that either, they hate each other too much. super bowl. >> do you think president obama will go into his inauguration with no deal at all? >> is he in charge? we've kept the charade up for too long. >> what charade is that? >> the charade that there is a government. that they agree to things. they react to a stock market plunge and react to furious citizens. but, what, do they react to the goodness of the republic? how long are we going to keep this up, goodness of the republic? is the last time we had this partisanship. how did that work out? >> in your view, cramer, are things that much worse today? even if plan b was taken up in the house, that it wouldn't pass the senate, that president obama would shoot it down anyhow, so plan b was largely inconsequential, are we actually
worse off? does it show the deeper ridge in the republican party than anybody expected and we're much worse off in terms of thinking about achieving a grand bar bain? >> i don't think there's a rift in the republican party. i think boehner knew this wouldn't pass. he's not a clueless man. >> it doesn't look good as a result of having -- >> he's a gop. >> having gone out there, created this plan b idea -- >> it's cynical. >> the economy is down today, and people are losing faith that he can control his party and caucus as much as anybody. >> he has a commitment to not raise taxes from his people. i think it's really, really important to point out in the last few days there was actually a belief, i've been saying super bowl, super bowl, super bowl, it's the paycheck. there was a belief something could be done. i think the administration felt there was. and they did start saying, listen, we don't have a consensus, things have regressed. the consensus is simple.
the gop will not vote for tax increases, but they will vote for tax cuts. it's not like they're going to suddenly say, wow -- they have to wait until people are agreed. maybe they have to wait for the stock market to be down more. >> is it a september 2008 moment we're facing here, that's when house republicans voted down the first bush administration plan for a bailout? when we dropped 778 points? are we sort of at that moment right now? >> your atm machine wouldn't work that monday. there would be lines around 9 corner from almost every bank. we were in a 1932 situation. >> because of everything else around us. we were focused on congress' ineptitude at that time. and we got more scared by their unwillingness to pass the t.a.r.p. >> i have tremendous faith in our economy. we had great numbers yesterday. we had a good head of steam in housing and durable goods.
>> better than expected at least. >> i think you could cool the economy a little bit. but unlike 2008, where i was worried that my paycheck wouldn't cash and my bank would fail, unlike the debt ceiling -- >> i know that. i'm saying it is a very, very different time now, no doubt about it. the only thing being we're relying on our leaders in washington to try to craft some sort of solution. >> did you have quotes around the word leader then? i'm only watching your lips. if you were to type that, would there be quotes around leaders? >> yes. >> thank you. i rest my case. >> i'm willing to take those quotes off. >> if they show that they are truly leaders without quotes. >> i come to work every day, my tallahassee paycheck, still in my wallet. i was a reporter. i made $137 a week. and if i had seen that go down to 127, i would have been angry. that was my subsistence. there are people who play for
dinner in this country and their subsistence are on the line and they're going to be furious. but they're not going to get furious until they see their paycheck. >> it's going to impact gdp in the first quarter, and the second quarter. americans are feeling like they're protected from the democrats? because they're in lower income households? but they won't be. their paychecks will be less because the payroll tax cut will be gone. the amt, also gone. that will affect lots of people, not just high-income people, everybody. >> potentially 30 million people. >> you don't know until the end of the year. >> the likelihood we go into next year without a deal -- let's talk about the overall market and the sense. economy. you guys were mentioning, you ladies and gentlemen, were mentioning a number of the positives. it's funny, i've had conversations with people on the other side of it. people have been getting, so-called bowled up. corporate profits, there's
concern about that, and even with this little spate of m & a we made a lot of yesterday, there's still a lack of confidence. >> i had marty on last night from paychecks. largest provider of checks to small businesses. bad quarter. >> yeah. >> confidence. >> can we play that? >> yeah, let's listen to it. this is mr. musy. >> is washington the most difficult thing that you face at paychecks? >> all the attention on the fiscal cliff and no action is really producing, i think, a dampered view from small business, and they're just kind of waiting on the sidelines right now. what you're seeing in our clients, they're not opening up their second location, they're not hiring more employees. it's fairly quiet. >> yeah, there it is. that's fiscal cliff. he had been building a head of steam. and suddenly he's talking about business building tailing off.
washington, washington -- but do you ever hear them -- they talk about the job creators. you have to protect the job creators. they spoke to the president, i thought the president was starting to understand this. but this is about etiology. this isn't about the war between the states that are gop, and the states that are democrat. etiology does not get solved in a back room. it doesn't. it gets solved by the actual citizens saying, i can't pay for dinner. i can't pay for dinner. i've got to stay, and i can't go to brinker, i've got to go get mccormack spice and hamburger helper. that's when it changes. >> the likelihood we don't reach a deal, helps the outcomes of the discussions you're talking about happening, and we start to see corporate america have fewer profits. look at oil. >> that's a good barometer.
you know, we'll see signs that -- of -- but paychecks, right there, right in your falgs. the business formation is really cut back. because of this. who knows what tax season will be. >> who knows how things are going to be treated. look at the outflows that have happened over the past couple three weeks out of municipal bonds. we don't know, people don't know if there will be the tax exemption or their exemptions will be limited, so it will be a choice between mortgage deduction, or municipal bonds, and, you know, we're seeing the money come out. people are being cautious. i'm also hearing from hedge funds that people are selling their games. they're selling their games and reentering the new cost basis. people are uncertain and they're taking every precaution they can right now. >> like david said, there's also a -- >> you can make a case, things are feeling kind of good, we're not going down, we're actually going down, we're looking at the
cliff, but it looks like they're going somewhere. and everybody's going to mention autos and housing, gdp number wasn't that bad. >> you don't know until you see your paycheck. >> but i do wonder whether the other side of that is perhaps not -- is going to be focused on a bit more. not just fiscal cliff. >> do you think they're going to say, hey, they're not that bad? do you think people will say it's not that bad to go over the cliff? >> i think there's already an expectation -- look, i won't be here. i'm going to be away. but you'll be here, and we'll be here -- >> is this a package thing? are you still going to go ala carte? >> the motto in my family right now for no particular reason is, spend it all. >> it's not the end of the world. >> we're here, david. >> it looks like it's going to be 2013. >> we'll find out if it's really happen.
>> paying close attention to the paycheck, too, but we'll be all right. >> we're seeing a sharp pullback in the seconds leading financials across the board. a bit higher in gold. treasury deals are rising. all the expected sort of reaction. >> what we ought to have is dramatic music behind us as we talk about this. >> oh, there it is. >> maybe like some game time music. okay. >> we'll continue to be all over what is shaping up to what could be a rough morning on wall street. covering the base limits. speaker john boehner will be giving a news conference in less than an hour. we'll bring you those comments live. meantime, let's take another look at futures. the dow looking to open lower by 170 points. the s&p 500 looking to give up 19 at the open. [ male announcer ] at scottrade,
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all right. we're about 11 minutes or so before the opening bell. we've got a number of things we haven't mentioned at this point. whether it be nike, walgreens, where do you want to start? >> walgreens, david. people think of drugstores as recession resistant. i think the whole dialogue is who's recession resistant because of the fiscal cliff. this is a company that is so confusing, because the numbers look good, but numbers did not look good, but there's a deal that walgreens is doing. >> the alliance boot deal that occurred earlier this year. a complicated deal in its own
right, buying some of it now, some of it later. let me just take a look at this, they're taking 13 cents was the so-called miss here. but 7 of 10 of that is from the timing of the alliance boots, and the dilution from it. there are accounting issues in a sense how they went about dealing with that dilution. >> they close this deal, but walgreens and cvs are taking share. they've really changed their stores. much more food, much more going for a broader move like target and walmart did. a lot of supermarkets are being hurt by this. and this is really important. express grifs wan an outfit that had a tiff with walgreens. you've got a couple of quarters that are bad and then, boom, now they're back together. i prefer cvs to cal greens. but i do not think this deal will get hammered. >> we'll keep an eye on
walgreen's. >> i want to talk about nike and red hat. these are the two best stories of the day. if they stay up, i think what you're going to say is maybe things are not as bad with fiscal cliff. china not as bad as we though, u.s. very strong. so nike, if it goes back to 97, it means we're going to have a real bad couple of days in my view. look at red hat. red hat is a technology company that is deeply involved in the cloud. they, too, had a better than expected number, as did oracle in the cloud. so these are my two tales for the trading today, david. if you pick the best of the best and they go down, you'll really have a couple of -- >> when it comes to the so-called cloud play and the use of it in the competition here, is that one of the key names? >> yes, it allows you to manage cloud in a cheap -- an anti-microsoft business. their partner is sales force.com. i'm really using these as tells. in other words, these are the ones where there's natural
buyers. as we just found out how good things are. it wasn't like we found out a month ago. we just found out last night. if they have resilience, the market is going to be more resilient than people think. if they give up the ghost, i think next week's going to be difficult, too. >> all right. we'll be watching red hat, nike, walgreen's. we'll also be keeping an eye on r.i.m. that is a result of what's going on in washington. take a look at the futures there in the s&p.
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said it was changing its fee strek tur. the ceo was asked how long it would take to see if next month's launch of the blackberry 10 is a success. >> we're transitioning. this doesn't happen overnight. we still experience strong sales in many of our regions. i think we have a certain period of time, several quarters, where we will transition from 7 over to 10. >> several quarters is not the kind of time frame that investors like to hear, jim. >> this was one classic one, where the headlines were all good. but you have to listen to the conference call. this is more than don chambers and cisco. here's the guidance, and they don't give it to you in the release. you had this kind of -- things are looking better, and then subsequent things looked worse. the company does have great subscriber base. i was looking at this as a netflix situation.
they still have the great subscriber base and the great product -- >> and they're changing their fee structure. it's been a cash cow for research in motion and they change it to a tiered service revenue model and people don't know how to make heads or tails of that, and what their cash flow is going to be. he said in the "squawk box" interview, cash is a concern and cash will increase over the next several quarters. >> cash went up as a release of working capital. which is not the greatest reason for cash to go up. because you're just doing less in some ways. so you have more cash as a result of that. very tough for a lot of investors to value this. >> throw your hands up. >> you're dealing with intellectual property. which is inherently difficult to value. it just becomes hard, and harder given that guidance, i guess. >> which is harder to value,
herbal life or research in motion? >> i think when bill said this is blood money, we're going to donate all profits to charity, it sort of gave him a little bit more credence. it wasn't a personal gain that he was seeking. he just wanted to bring an issue to light. whether or not it's true, that was the impression. >> i will tell you this, listen. ackman is seeking to get a lot of locked-up money. permanent capital, right? i think he's got 1.6. that's where he's going, in terms of permanent capital, not the hedge fund structure anymore. he's extraordinarily good at garnering attention. he's very smart and very eloquence. you know that, bill. >> absolutely. >> i'm not taking away from his argument at all, but i do want to make the point, even if he's giving the money it charity, there are other benefits that will accrue to him as a result. he's trying to get permanent capital there, going a different
route than other hedge funds. >> he's a charitable man. we don't really know the profits from this trade grg to charity. >> did he cover it yesterday? now i want to know, is he a 501 c-3 he's got going? we're going to hear from the company on january the 7th, i believe. >> yes. >> and january 9th he'll -- of course, to save the people from working for the company, because -- >> save those people, who wanted to simply be millionaires, or hundred thousand airs, or whatever. that's his words. >> there is such a thing as cautious interference. i cannot see the wiping the business out. there are laws on the books that make it so you can't do that. does michael johnson sue ackman? >> it sounds like he might want
to. here's what he said in the press release about ackman. distorted outdated and inaccurate information. that's why they went to the analysts' meeting in order to refute all of ackman's claims. this is something we'll continue to watch. herbal life trading a little bit higher, so we'll watch that. several states and the white house, observing a moment of silence, exactly one week after the school shootings in newtown. connecticut governor dannell ma malloy to ring their bells. the nasdaq with a moment of silence prior to the actual trading day.
the bell has rung. over at the nasdaq, intest corporation, temperature management's products for semiconductors. no surprise here at the open, the nasdaq is now down almost 2%. 1.8%, the loss at this early hour. shares of apple are down 2%. across the board pretty much. these are sharp losses, jim. >> i would point out, if you want a stable situation, sussex petroleum is a limited partnership that gives you great yield. i'm looking for people to be able to pullback and say, listen, what is safety here? is safety pepsico, general mills, safety yield? or because we go over the fiscal cliff, yield doesn't have the same value. i'm trying to figure out right now in realtime what this market is telling us. what it's telling us is we're not done going down. if boehner throws more lighter fluid on the situation, if not
actual high octane, then i think we go take another dip down. >> yeah. we're seeing very steep losses, no surprise, across the financial sector, a sector that has been leading the way for the entire year-to-date. bank of america is at 1115, down by more than 3%. after a fresh 52-week high. the stock more than doubled year-to-date. heavy losses in the home builders. no surprise there. this sector would be hit very hard should there be no deal, or an adjustment to the mortgage interest deduction. we're seeing losses at about 2.5%. and energy shares are also down by 1.5%. >> this is crucial. i was talking to dan dicker, trying to get a sense about the real economy, and whether the inventory is building in oil. that's a good sense of the real economy. the real economy has been very hard to pin down on a day-to-day basis. but oil has been a good tell. look, interesting buying, i
don't know, let's hear the speaker, let's recognize that there are always people who don't realize that it failed last night. there's always someone out there who is hopeful. and you have to squelch all hope before you're going to be able to dictate -- be able to figure whether things are at a discount. >> let's take it from here, let's assume we get nothing prior to the end of the year. do we have more days like this, or is this the day in which we sort of capitulate to that reality, and everybody says, you know what, next week's the holidays and then we have new year's. >> you know, what happens is, you can't have these investment committees act immediately. you can't have the firms come out and say, listen, we're lowering our gdp. that happens a couple of days from now. you have to recognize jpmorgan is going to come in or morgan stanley, then you can get involved. >> volatility index of note is getting close to 20. a level we haven't seen in quite
some time. remarkable rise of the vinx so far this year. we're wondering, where is the volatility of the market, the pending fiscal cliff discussion. here we have it. it's been up by about 9%. >> these markets will not bottom all at once. what will happen is, if people think there's a recession, you'll see bids for the drug stocks today. you'll see a bid for general mills today. >> we won't have that conversation as of yet, a recession. >> this market is not a catastrophe. i'm saying that it's more business as usual. those who think it's catastrophic are making a very big mistake. the economy is stronger. washington is screwed up. that is not news to us. there will be some deal eventually. just not soon enough. there will be no miracle is what i think. it will come in february.
you'll have a pause, but it won't be horrible. people shouldn't panic. they shouldn't panic. >> in reality, we have, what, a 1% decline on the dow? we've got what on the s&p 500? my computer won't cooperate. 1% decline on the s&p 500 as well. and in the past month the s&p 500 has been up 4%. so this pullback happens in context. >> you have to give back what the opium is to brian solvens. do you start at a couple percent for when people thought there would be a grand bargain, when the grand bargain fell apart last year we took a hit. all i'm saying is, it's not great in washington. but you can't go and sell everything. because it's not great in washington. because it hasn't been great in washington. there was a perception when president obama won fairly big, that it would improve in washington. but the people who were voting on this are beholding to their constituents and have taken a no-tax increase pledge.
the president won a lot of votes, and it just doesn't work like that. >> we'll be seat agnew congress in -- we'll be seating a new congress in the new year. the house will be republican, the senate will be democrat, but not the 60 votes to override -- >> but we have to give back some of -- people are buying stocks because they thought there was going to be a deal. they have to rethink that. i mean, a lot of hedge funds are thinking, i'm okay, there's really no news between now -- there's a pact among all the research firms, don't issue anything, don't do sells. these guys are obviously not focused on that in washington. you have to roll back some of what's happening. >> right. >> some of what's been good. not all of it -- why were you laughing when i said you said panic was a bad strategy? >> i was thinking of "animal
house" when kevin bacon says, everybody be calm, and then he gets run over by that -- >> is this more -- >> that movie is close to my heart, faber college. >> you're right. mike faber from homeland may or may not be back. "animal house," bill murray, i'm trying to be a professional. >> i'm sorry. that just went through my head. >> that's okay. better than taking the brain on spongebob. >> eric cantor, you'll be happy to know, the gop leader tweets, we will not adjourn congress until a credible solution to the fiscal cliff is announced. revised the house calendar. so we've got that going for us. >> that is helpful. >> these guys want it lower. cantor yesterday was fiery. and again, this partisanship, jpmorgan said unbelievable research on how partisan we are. that's where they get the -- i mean, the civil war thing was
not something i dreamed up. that's how difficult the -- lincoln couldn't solve it. >> part of the take your children to sweat shop work day? >> anyway, let's check with bob pisani with more on what's moving today. >> let's talk about what the trading day's going to look like. that was the main topic of conversation overnight and through this morning. i would note, folks, i know this is not a good open, but we are well above where we were at the close last friday. so we were 1413 last friday at the close, 1427 now. i think on the s&p 500. okay. it's a bad day, a down day, but we're still actually above where we were at the close last year. we're up for the week on the s&p 500. i think the problem now is going to be talking about what the rest of the day's going to look like. my sense talking to everybody
is, they'll try to sell at most of the rallies that go on, just to protect themselves for what we've been seeing here. that's going to be a problem. because i know you're hopeful maybe we'll get a move up toward the close. i think selling into the rallies is going to be a general problem. i specifically was talking to people about that today. we've been rallying. the biggest problem that we have had is the bullishness and the complacency. we've been talking about the rallies going on, the fiscal cliff deal, seasonally time up of the year. individual investors, those that still invest are more bullish than they've been recently. melissa, you just mentioned the vix. it's around 20, the highest level it's been since july right now. those assumptions have changed a little bit right now. i think that's the big problem. that high level of bullishness and complacency that we've got. some people think we have a shot at a deal. the president and representative boehner are essentially in washington alone at this point.
and a deal could still get done. you're not far apart on tax hikes, debt ceiling and entitlements. the ball is now in reid's court. i think that's what the speaker of the house is going to say at 10:00. reid could craft a bill in the senate that could then be passed to the house of representatives. the pressure will be on them to do something. the great irony of all of this is that john boehner is going to make the deal. this is what the hopes are for the bulls, boehner will make the deal with his arch nemesis, nancy pelosi to get the bill crafted through the house. so folks, we are already well off the lows. the dow still down 115 points. the s&p 5001429. remember, the close last week, 1413. jim, back to you. >> that's a nice path. that would be great. a very civil path about solving the cliff. this would be terrific. i hope that happens. i just think that when we say
that, we mislead people to some degree because there are some people who don't want a deal. so anyway, stocks off to a weak start. >> here we are, hovering around a 175 yield in a ten-year. as you look at these three charts, a 24-hour chart, one-week chart, three-month charge, we were at 180 yesterday. we were at 170 a week ago. we're at 175. it's like we're getting to the point where a lot of the big horsepower behind the selling that pushed interest rates up to a couple-month path, high yields on the long end, may be over. if we look at the foreign exchange, we see similar kind of em any ti or issues going on. the dollar has been on fire, for example, against the yen. here we see it's relinquished some of that upside. it's still up smartly for the week. euro, a little bit of mean re version on these trends. confidence has had weird
positive movement of late. we'll see if it's negatively impacted. and of course, the end of the supply, probably changes the dynamics a little bit on the treasury post, the supply that we just auctioned in twos, fives and sevens. >> thank you, rick santelli. speaker john boehner will give a briefing. and we'll be speaking to a conservative lawmaker who has been outspoken against the gop leadership. find out whether he's willing to make concessions. fers
at the close yesterday. that was the first time that happened in two months' time. now there's a great deal of concern about energy demand. we're also looking at the reaction in the gold market where we're seeing a little bit of a short covering bounce here in the gold market. but that may have more to do with the slide we've seen over the last several weeks, particularly in the last week where gold prices are near a four-month low. gold, though, holding above the 1650 level. back to you guys. >> thank you very much, sharon epperson. let's look at the dow heat map. there is one component in the green. and that is verizon. but largely in the red here, ibm is down by just half a percent. that's helping the dow to be the smallest loser, if i can say that. the smallest loser in terms of the major indices. the nasdaq we're down 1.5%. interesting sort of separation between the indices.
technology a weak spot here. >> it's very early. >> it is. >> very early in the day. >> boehner will speak in a moment's time. >> if he throws a bomb and says there's no hope, i think you have a second leg down. if he says, we need to get this solved by the end of the year, people will say, you know what, i won't sell anymore today. i don't envision a scenario where they do a radical turn-around. people want to take their profits before they leave now. it's obvious that this boehner press conference is very important. >> yes, it is. still, there are individual stock stories, even amongst the huge move lower. we still have nike shares holding on to its gain. up 4.5%. very, very good. china not as bad. >> that really matters. >> it matters they can hold on to their gains. >> that's the one to watch throughout the day. if that starts giving up its gain, you've got to start to rethink. whatever happened with nike before, doesn't matter.
all that happens with nike now is the january sales. that's what i'm trying to gauge. what are people saying about january sales post-cliff. and that is why nike is so important. we have the most up-to-date information from a shoe retailer. if people say that was rear view mirror, that's why i'm focused on that so much. >> derivative trades of nike is also a bright spot. footlocker down by a fraction of a percent. what's good for nike could be good for these retailers. >> r.i.m. shares down 17%. >> the guy just gave a r.i.m. cliff. the blackberry cliff. >> interesting series of events. they were well received by the market after-hours. the stock started to trade up, as much as 8%. they started to speak on the conference call and gave
guidance. clearly not what the market or investors were hoping for. but that stock is down. >> he said, look at auflt big money from the service. >> that might not be there. we moved to the tier tiered system. the challenge is they have to run the company as cost-efficient as possible. use the least amount of money as possible. he now says it will happen over a period of several quarters. one and a half years. >> this stock came off of lows of 5 or 6 bucks. >> apple, i'll second your ap e apple. apple going back, testing maybe, you know, critical levels. what i heard from research in motion is apple is doing better. you could look at it that way. and say, oh, smartphones, i would like to buy apple. >> and android doing better. really, really better. >> here's a favorite you know and love. there he is.
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all right. time for "six in sixty." mr. cramer, we start with big lots. >> down on its luck. one time, the reason they included this, was the takeover names. that fell through. it's an inexpensive stock. never one of my favorites because you're in some ways going up against everyone, target, costco. watch if it stays up again. >> tipco. >> he lowered guidance and then beat the lower guidance. there's the guidance right there. i tend not to like this situation. he just lowered it too much. >> day after the big deal, ishares up yesterday.
they're hanging in there. >> yeah. despite the diversity on the dill lu dilution, i think you've got a powerhouse. >> very interesting. gold corp downgraded by credit suisse. >> don't like it. >> mcd, wells likes it. >> you're going into recession. fiscal cliff, maybe it's an interesting idea. >> finally -- melaknox. >> people say, intel's coming in. i like the fact it was downgraded by a firm. be careful. very hot. >> we will talk more about ice. but first over to mr. santelli who has breaking news on consumer sentiment. rick? >> we're looking for university of michigan, and it should come out momentarily. 72.9. so 72.9 on university of michigan sentiment survey. of course, this is the december
final. it's going to be comped to 74.5. but that's a little bit disingenuous. it really should be comped at 82.7. that was the final reit to last month. we definitely take a bit of a backup here. how does 72.9 fit in. we vice president been below 72 point 9 since july. it was 72.3. maybe a little bit of a disappointment. of course, last night's issue with the vote, obviously didn't make the survey. but it will make the survey of what the markets try to define for the rest of the day. back to you. >> all right. thank you, rick santelli. jim, you know, let's talk about what's on "mad" tonight. >> tipco is one of these stocks, there's a bunch of them, i mentioned red hat. these are companies, s.a.p., oracle, you bring them in and you save money. you go to harrah's, and it's put
together by their team. you know when you go into amazon, david let's say you like books on gardening, the next thing i know it puts you in four other gardening books. i chose what you would never be. >> you chose correct. i have never gardened in my life. that's fair to say. but it looks like a very nice thing to do. >> we also talk about i.c.e. there are a lot of articles that said basically all this place is a tv studio. that's not true. >> we're going to talk a lot more about that in the next hour. you're going to stay with us. >> i'll stay for speaker boehner. but i don't think it's fair to say this is just a tv station. >> speaker of the house coming up with a news conference just minutes away. we'll carry it live. we're back after this. mr. margin? don't be modest, bob. you found a better way to pack a bowling ball. that was ups. and who called ups? you did, bob. i just asked a question. it takes a long time to pack a bowling ball.
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not take up the tax bill last night. because we didn't have the votes to pass it. not the outcome that i wanted. but that was the will of the house. so unless the president and congress take action, tax rates will go up on every american taxpayer. and devastating the defense cuts, will go into effect in ten days. the house has already passed bills addressing the fiscal cliff. after the bill, replacing the president's sequester with responsible spending cuts and did it last may. we passed a bill to stop all the tax hikes on the american people to take effect january the 1st. and we did that on august the 1st. and we proposed plans over and over again that democrats used to support. i don't want taxes to go up. republicans don't want taxes to go up. but we only run the house.
the democrats continue to run washington. what the president has proposed so far simply won't do anything to solve our spending problem. he wants more spending, and more tax hikes that will hurt our economy. and he simply won't deal honestly with entitlement reform. and the big issues that are facing our country. we need significant spending cuts, and real tax reform to address our long-term debt problem and pave the way for long-term growth and real growth in jobs in our country. we'll continue to work with our colleagues in the house and the senate on a plan that protects families and small businesses from the fiscal cliff. >> again, i think we saw last night yet the next chapter in this saga of trying to resolve this situation of the fiscal cliff. it is clear that our conference
has been consistent in its commitment to doing something about the spending problem in washington and the mounting debt that has resulted. we stand ready to continue in dialogue with this president to actually fix the problem. i hope that we see our colleagues on the other side of the capital can do likewise, can get serious to try and address the real problem of spending, so we can get on about the business of growing this economy and get people back to work. >> mr. speaker? >> a lot of the arguments that you made in favor of the bill, the multi-trillion dollar tax cut, to rescue all but a fraction of taxpayers from a tax increase, also would apply to the president's proposal. are you willing to give the president's proposal a vote? >> listen, the president and i have had a series of conversations. i told the president on monday,
these were my bottom lines. the president told me thhis numbers, $1.3 trillion in new revenue, $850 billion in spending cuts was his bottom line. that he couldn't go any further. and so we see a situation where because of the political divide in the country, because of the divide here in washington, trying to bridge these differences has been difficult. if it were easy, i'll guarantee you, this would have been done decades before. but we have to find a way to address this significant spending problem that we have, and we need to find a way through tax reform to begin to grow our economy in a way that will create more jobs in our country. >> what is the path forward? are you going to be speaking with the president further? let me reinforce this question.
are you ruling out putting on the floor for a vote to build a path through the senate and all those tax rates under 2$250,000 >> it continues to sit in the united states senate. we don't have the senate bill. we do have a house bill that sits in the senate, the extended tax rates for all americans. and we've been waiting since august 1st. if the senate wants to act on that bill, we'll wait for it. >> are you going to be speaking to the president in negotiations forward? what are we going to do now? >> i'm interested in solving the major problems that face our country. and that means how should we do this, the senate leaders and the president will continue to have to work together to address those concerns. >> after the sequester was
ordered on january 2nd, the leaders in both bodies can bring up a resolution to head off the sequester. considering the dire nature of these circumstances, have you given consideration to that? >> i have not given consideration to it. we have a spending problem. and we have to address it. and we're not going to address it by kicking the can down the road, which is what you're suggesting. >> speaker boehner, mr. cantor has suggested that the house would stay here until the job was done. they're obviously going home for christmas. are you quitting? >> absolutely not. listen, i'm proud of our members. they do a great job on behalf of their constituents. and frankly, a great job on behalf of our country. what mr. cantor outlined last night is that the house would come back if needed. and we're prepared to come back, if needed. >> speaker, it sounds like you're walking away from talks with the president. >> no, no.
listen, i did not say that. and nobody ought to read anything into this. we've got differences, but the problem -- the country's got big spending problems. and we've got to get serious about addressing them. >> the first time something like this has happened during talks with the president, why should he have faith that when you negotiate with him -- >> the president knows that i've always been able to deliver on any promise i've made with him. the concern that i had was time was running short. and the idea of the taxes ought to go up on every american taxpayer, i thought was wrong. and trying to address the tax issue i thought was very important to do it now. so that we don't have taxes going up on every american, and hurting our economy. >> sir, are you -- >> mr. speaker, you said here yesterday, you expressed confidence that you were going to pass that bill. >> sure did.
>> what went wrong? >> listen, there was a perception created that that vote last night was going to increase taxes. now, i disagree with that characterization of the bill. but that impression was out there. and we had a number of our members who just really didn't want to be perceived as having to raise taxes. that was the real issue. now, one of my colleagues the other night had an analogy of 100 people drowning in a pool, and then he was the lifeguard. and because he couldn't save any of them, does that mean he shouldn't have done anything? his point to them is, if i can go in there and save 99 people that are drowning, that's what i should do as a lifeguard. but the perception was out there, and a lot of our members did not want to have to deal with it. >> mr. speaker, given that you really do not have the vote to raise tax rates, are you willing to pass a bill with the majority
of democratic support at this point? >> as i said, the house passed a bill to extend all of the current taxes. we did it on august the 1st. it's been sitting in the senate. we passed a bill to replace the sequesters. at some point the united states senate has to do something. and what we were trying to do this week was basically jump-start, and try to kick into gear some action by the senate to avert these tax increases going into effect on january 1st. >> mr. speaker, with all due respect, what impact do you think bringing up a bipartisan grand bargain, that you could strike with president obama, would have on the future of your speakership? >> well, listen, at some point we're going to have to address the spending problem that we have. but we can't cut our way to prosperity. we need real economic growth. many of us believe on both sides of the aisle the fundamental
reform of our tax code will help us get our economy moving faster and put more americans back to work. and more americans with other tax rules. how we get there, god only knows. but all i've done is, eric and i and our team here are committed to working with our colleagues on both sides of the aisle, both sides of the capital and the white house, to address this. >> mr. speaker, if i could follow that. last week i asked you if you were concerned about losing your speakership. and you said you were not. in light of what happened last night, if you're not concerned, should you be? >> no, i'm not. you all heard me say this, and i've told my colleagues this. if you do the right things every day for the right reasons, the right things will happen. and while we may have not been able to get the votes last night to avert 99.81% of the tax increases, i don't think -- they
weren't taking that out on me. they were dealing with the perception that someone might accuse them of raising taxes. merry christmas, everyone. thank you. >> speaker boehner ending, what was that, about a ten-minute news conference, wishing everybody a merry christmas. about the nicest sentiments that we heard during that ten-minute conversation with the speaker. chief washington correspondent john harwood is in our nation's capital. john, let me start with you. he said there was a perception the vote would increase taxes. our members just didn't want to deal with it. give me your take. >> my take was a couple of things. first of all, the speaker said he was not ruling out continued negotiations with the white house. he did not rule out bringing up a bill that would have -- that could passion with with a signi amount of democratic votes.
finally, he was indirectly critical of his own members, saying that they voted down his plan b because they had the perception which was incorrect that it was going to raise taxes. now, by the same logic, the speaker said that the bill that he offered last night didn't raise taxes. the president's proposal also does not raise taxes. why? because it simply would extend the tax cuts -- the bush tax cuts for people under $250,000, for everybody else he would simply let current law take effect. >> and how, in your opinion, john, since you've been following this as closely as anybody, where are we on this, given what happened with plan b? >> i think there is still a possibility that you could see in the senate a bipartisan bill passed with the acquiescence of the republican leader, if not the support of mitch mcconnell, that would have -- that it would
extend tax cuts for most americans, but not all, that would have some spending cuts, some entitlement cuts in it. that would get sent back to the house. the fallback is a tiny deal that would simply do a one-month delay of the sequester, which would do a temporary extension of most of the tax cuts, would extend the doc fix for -- under medicare and also extend unemployment benefits. but the speaker's hand has gotten weaker here, and he indicated that he still has some flexibility in terms of how he's going to approach this, even at some risk to his speakership. >> after the vote last night, or the nonvote last night, after they walked out of the recess, i spoke to a very senior member of mr. boehner's staff who said to me the following. if the senate sends over a middle class tax extension bill, whether it's $250,000 or $400,000, which seems to be the range, because last night's
thing didn't work, all right? that extension of the middle class tax bill will pass the house of representatives, period. it will pass. it will need democratic support and it will get a lot of democratic support. it will lose some republican support. but there will be republicans who vote for it. the point i want to make, in talking to this chap as well as some other contacts is, the game is not over here. we're not going to fall off the cliff. it may be delayed, because of what happened last night. you may go into early january. but that's not the big problem, because the tax rate schedules are not going to be adjusted right away. people are not going to hurt. what is not likely to happen, in my opinion, is that a $500 billion tax hike will occur because of no extensions. and it's that $500 billion tax hike which has recession written all over it that would damage the stock market. i don't think that's going to happen. i think a bill is going to pass.
i don't think it will have much spending cuts in it, not entitlements in it, it will be narrowly focused on extending middle class tax cuts. >> and we'll revisit things in 2013. >> i agree with larry kudlow. smaller deal. smaller deal is not bad for the market. >> is it good for the markets? >> well, i mean, do you want to go buy stuff here today? i don't know. okay. we have a little sell-off. >> john, does that sound plausible to you as well? >> it does. i agree with larry kudlow on the tax portion of this. what i don't know is exactly how the spending portion gets handled. you could see a very tiny plug where some spending cuts worth a couple of months of sequester that are targeted allow the across the board sequester to be turned off. but i still think that there is going to be some -- in a bipartisan deal that passes the senate, whether it's next week, or whether it's in early january as larry suggested, i think
there is the prospect of larger cuts than that for the simple reason that, as republicans have been saying, we do need long-term spending reductions. and i don't think congress is going to walk away from that. i don't even think the president wants to walk away from that. the question is going to be, what's the ratio and how does it stack up with the tax cuts? >> you know, john may be right. i don't think they know right now. and i think they'll be negotiating. this aide told me the house will reconvene when they get a piece of legislation from the senate. so that's why i'm a little skeptical this is going to get by january 31st. we're only talking about a handful of days here. >> december 31st. >> this is a stock market point to what jimmy was talking about, i continue to believe, based on my understanding, that the extension of most of those tax cuts will occur, and that the big whale, the big $500 billion whale, with the money sucked
out, because nothing is extended and everything expires, that whale is not going to happen. and that's why i, jimmy, would stay with the stock market fundamentals here and worry a little bit less about the politics. because you're going to get an extension in the next month. it may not happen by the 31st, but in the next month. >> i will never disagree with my old partner. larry, i think that's right. i agree with you. i don't think people who sell and panic here are making a good move. i think they're making a bad move, larry. >> you know a lot more than i do. i agree with that point of view, though. >> thank you. >> go back to -- you know, listen, can i just say, the economy ain't that bad. >> no. >> that's the thing. i know we have a slump in business investment spending. but when you look at the gdp report yesterday, you look at the housing stuff coming down, you look at some decent consumer activity here, the economy ain't that bad. and therefore, jimmy cramer, profits may not be that bad. >> i agree.
i agree with you. that's a good way to leave things. >> all right. we will do just that. john harward, of course, thanks. and our thanks to larry kudlow. jim cramer, thank you for sticking around. >> oh, with the speaker and john, absolutely. >> we should note that the markets are off their session lows with the s&p 500 now down by about .9% of 1%.
stocks coming off session lows after speaker boehner's remarks. the dow now down by about .6 of 1%. art, great to see you. >> great to see you, melissa. >> are we off the lows because of what the speaker had to say a few moments ago, or are the buys higher in the last trading day before the weekend? >> i think the door wasn't slammed. i don't think boehner came out and slammed the door. i think there is a middle ground
here still. fortunately the middle ground is going to be with bipartisan support. the ball's been tossed over to the senate. it's harry reid's turn now. but something will get over to the house to have bipartisan support. democrats need a chance to vote on something in the house. and i think that's why the market is moving forward a little bit here. i think that's what we learned at 10:00. >> what are the odds, in your view, of us reaching a deal before the deadline? >> about 20%. >> 20%? >> yeah, maybe. we just kind of ran out of daylight here. the senate has the 72 hours before you can get something pushed forward and it has to go to the house and agreed upon and signed. my guess is this is something where we go past the calendar turn and come back and retroactively fit something in. but that's not the end of the world. i think if we get something done in the next 30 days, i think that's something the market can sort of get us out of. >> the context of the market move today is in the past month
or so, the s&p 500 has been up about 4%. there is an argument out there that it might be good to see a pullback in the markets. where do you stand? are you surprised at all we're seeing some profit taking today in areas that have seen the biggest run-ups? >> no, not at all. think about it. put it in the proper context. you said the market was up 15% in the summer. we gave back 7.7% in the sell-off. we rallied back 4% from there. we probably have, with the disappointment in the fiscal cliff not happening better the turn of the calendar, more down side than up side. remember, too, that lays in groundwork of paying attention to the fundamentals we've ignored and upside as we turn the calendar to 2013. we've ignored a lot of good news in china and europe. so i think that in january, we get this behind us. i think the market probably has some reflex rally and upward buys. certainly it's going to affect the economy in the first half of
the year, but the second half of 2013 will look a whole lot better than the second half of '12 did. >> good to see you. happy new year. >> same to you. >> research in motion stock falling today. can the blackberry maker turn the r.i.m. story around? we'll explore that next. you cah mild to moderate alzheimer's, you'll also care about our new offer. you get access to nurses who can help with your questions. and your loved one can get exelon patch free for 30 days. if the doctor feels it's right for them. it cannot change how the disease progresses. hospitalization and rarely death have been reported in patients who wore more than one patch at a time. the most common side effects of exelon patch are nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. the likelihood and severity of these side effects may increase as the dose increases. patients may experience loss of appetite or weight. patients who weigh less than 110 pounds may experience more side effects. people at risk for stomach ulcers who take certain other medicines should talk to their doctor because serious stomach problems such as bleeding may worsen. patients may experience slow heart rate.
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research in motion shares, of course, down sharply today after the company warned in terms of guidance, that during its conference call after reporting not bad numbers. john spoke to the ceo earlier today. and he knows a lot more about this than i do. john, take it away. >> yeah, david, r.i.m. stock initially popped after hours in the revenue loss per shares issue. as we dug into the details in the conference call, things began to look a lot less rosy. two issues in particular. r.i.m.'s service revenue and 10 device sale. it's more than a third of r.i.m.'s overall revenue these
days, more than 70% of gross profit. enterprises and carriers pay r.i.m. for security, device management, that sort of thing. i asked what happened to service revenue as we transition to blackberry 10 next year. he insisted the installed blackberry 7 devices will keep the service revenues propped up. >> that service revenue isn't going to go away. that stays intact. we will continue to sell devices into the market. we will continue to do this over the next months. so the transition period from blackberry 7 to blackberry 10 is going to be probably one and a half to two years. >> that introduces another problem. my analysis is r.i.m. subscri r subscriber's number will have to come down because it lags the device sales. device sales are down by more than half year over year. and as that comes down, so does
service revenue. something hines didn't fully address. >> thank you very much, jon fortt. we now have confirmation that the president as expected is going to nominate john kerry, the senator from massachusetts, democratic nominee in 2004, as secretary of state to replace hillary clinton. this has long been speculated that he would be this choice. especially since susan rice, the u.n. ambassador who ran into a lot of criticisms from republicans over the benghazi matter, had taken herself out of the running. so pretty much john kerry was the only candidate. the question is, what happens to the rest of the national security team. i haven't gotten any word yet as to whether there is a defense secretary replacement for leon panetta, but we do know john kerry is going to be named secretary of state by the president today. >> john, another question, of course, is what happens to that senate seat in massachusetts, does scott brown choose to run again and move that senate seat from the democratic column to the republican column?
any insights this? >> well, that's certainly a possibility. scott brown hasn't ruled that out. but you have a democratic governor there who has talked about a number -- or there's been speculation about a number of people who could be candidates for that seat. either by appointment or in the special elections. don't know how quickly the special election would take place, but everybody from barney frank to young ted kennedy, the son of the late senator, so we're going to have to see how that plays out. certainly democrats are in a strong po in massachusetts, but of course, they were before scott brown was elected in 2010. >> john harwood, thanks for that update. more analysis on the blackberry maker. underweight on research in motion with price target of $7 a share. will, good to speak with you. >> good morning. thanks for having me. >> i want to get straight to the issue of the service revenue, 36% of total revenues for research in motion. when hines talks about moving
into a tiered system into next year, how concern does that get you, and how are you modeling service revenues for next year? >> i think it's a significant concern for us. frankly, this is something we called out as a meaningful concern for us over the better part of the last year. as we look at the company here, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. they need the 10 to succeed to retake share from ois and androids. it's been the golden goose for the company. we expect the service revenue to decline over the next several years. >> by how much? >> well, i think that's a number that remains to be seen. that's been tough to gauge. as you look at our model, i think that number could be down, you know, 10% next year, perhaps more. i think as you move into fiscal 15, you have more of a full year of blackberry 10, and greater penetration. that number could actually accelerate to the down side. it determines what other services they sell into the
carriers and that's still unknown. >> will, what's your sense in terms of -- barclays had an interesting note out the other day saying there have never been three makers having to survive the same time. do all of them have to survive? >> no, i don't think they do. and they don't all need to survive. r.i.m.'s profits, look at their business today, they're generating no growth profit. as you move to blackberry 10, you're betting on their ability to actually make profits on hardware. they haven't proven that ability in recent quarters. >> will, thanks for your time. >> thanks for having me. >> in the wake of the tragedy in connecticut, gun control and mental health care taking center stage. connecticut's former attorney general and current senator has been a vocal advocate for action, joins us live. [ male announcer ] at scottrade,
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welcome back to "squawk on the street." breaking news on the hostess bankruptcy proceedings. right now, in a court in downtown manhattan, a judge is hearing an update from the company, as to what's gone on since they filed for bankruptcy roughly a month ago. we've got the following details. the plant winddown is substantially complete at this point. about 87% of the facilities that hostess owns and operates have can completed their winddown. they're waiting to see if there's a resurrecting for a bid for the company. the company has received in
their words numerous bids for all of their brands and all of their major facilities. dolly, draks and hostess brands will all have separate bidders, although they anticipate three to four what they call packaged bids which could be for multiple brands. they see bids to get feel for price, but it seems it could take a little bit of time for things to come together, melissa. so more details as soon as we get them from the judge from downtown manhattan. house speaker boehner saying moments ago he has not walked away from talks with the president. senior economics reporter steve liesman joins us now with more. >> in that press conference just a few minutes ago, the speaker holding out at least some hope something could still get done, either before the end of the year or shortly after that. the speaker's main points is the house is ready to return when needed. he suggested the house would vote on a senate bill. he did that toward the opposite way saying he hasn't seen one yet. and saying he has not walked
away from talks with president obama. now, from the white house side, it seems the president has changed his goal to only a tax deal and perhaps only a tax deal for those making $250,000 and below. not the $400,000 number he offered to boehner. you figure it out from this statement last night from a presidential spokesman. the president's main priority is to ensure that taxes don't go ul on 98% of americans and 97% of small businesses in just a few short days. it looks like they are trying for just that, $250,000 piece, and below. continue the tax cuts from the bush administration. the speaker did say the failed vote will not endanger his speakership. >> and while we may have not been able to get the votes last night, to avert 99.81% of the tax increases, i don't think -- they weren't taking that out on me. they were dealing with a perception that somebody might accuse them of raising taxes.
>> melissa, i think things are not good, but maybe they're not as bad as we thought before. in that, the speaker remains ready to continue talking with the president. back to you guys. >> all right. steve liesman, thanks for that. >> sure. >> our cash and director of floor operations with ubs is here on the set. i was reading your poetry. >> the christmas poem? >> the traditional presentation. you are quid a word smith. >> thank you for that. >> here we are, of course, we're counting down, ten days away from the end of the year. these guys in washington just don't really seem to be able to get it together, do they, art. give me your take. >> no. and that was what frightened markets this morning. i think we went to the lows because there was a concern that the government had become almost fully dysfunctional. certainly on the republican side. and there is also some concern that with this chess game being played, that the republicans might get pushed into a position of being a modern wiig party, to
become -- to lose their efficacy as a political power. and that would not be good, because we don't want things all one-sided. it was those fears that took us to the low. the fact that boehner came out and said some things that are being interpreted as keeping the game open, somewhat reassuring here and that's why we're stable. >> keeping the game open, at the same time there still exists the sort of rift in the party where you have these, i don't want to say extreme elements, but republicans who say no tax increases. why does it make anybody feel any better? because at the end of the day it can't pass within his party, so it won't pass at all. >> i tend to agree with you. but i think just the fact that nobody showed up with a black eye or threatened anybody with a club, people are hopeful. and i think the seasonality of things, you like to be a little upbeat at this time of the year. and they're hoping they can get it through. i have said for a long time, they should have probably kicked the can a little further down the road by taking a whole
deadline and moving it out so that they could have a long time to negotiate. but it's common sense. >> we come back on the s&p, in part we've heard analysis from john kudlow, and john harwood in washington, d.c. you know, we may not get something this year, so to speak, but we could get at least the stop gap measure early next year that does not allow taxes to rise on everybody. and then we move on from there. >> the concern is that the economy is fragile enough, that even that little bump over, you could try to get it back in a week or two, that it might be too much. the ironic thing is, most of the economic data that's been coming out in the last few days have been pretty good. so at the very least they could harm it. pretty dangerous when you take a whole nation on a bungee cord and you don't know how strong that cord is. >> we've got about five trading days left before the fiscal cliff deadline. what do you expect in the next few days? >> i think today we were dominated a little bit by
quadruple expiration. the volume has already done as much volume as we do in a full day these days. and we don't know what will be market on closes. they could be an important sign here. we've got an abbreviated session on monday. and usually the day before christmas has a slide upward bias to it. but the tension of this thing is going to dominate all the way through until new year's. >> art, good to see you. >> my pleasure. >> art cashin. >> our countdown of the best and worst trades of 2012 continues today. one that continues to pay off for investors, scott walker is here. he's got the big reveal. >> david, thanks so much. we go right to the wall and start today with aig. hard to believe that a company, aig, nearly went out of business during the financial crisis, and needed every bit of a government bailout, would be a wall street darling now. stock is up 51% year-to-date as the treasury has exited at a big
profit. the company has done some exiting, too. recently divested its sake in aia, hong kong-based, and sold more than $65 billion in assets. more capital has pleased investors. the ceo indicated the possibility of a dividend next year, reiterated yesterday with maria on the "closing bell," if the company's capital position warranted such a move. investors would like to see even more sell-off of stock. there are big names in this one. not just fast money halftime steven weiss. they think there's value in a continued gain in shares next year, could prove them all right. david, melissa, it's been quite a stunning turn of events for aig. and throughout the day today, we're going to continue our big reveal. we'll have a couple more coming up during the halftime show, which begins obviously after you guys are finished at noon. >> look forward to it. scott wapner, thank you. he opposed boehner's so-called plan b and has been
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today is the day of remembrance and mourning for last week's victims in the newtown, connecticut. we're joined by richard blumenthal is with us. a tough day for all those in newtown and those across connecticut. >> very tough day. today marks the one-week anniversary with tolling of bells across the state. and a very solemn remembrance of the horrific tragedy killing 20 beautiful children, and some very dedicated teachers and professionals.
>> in terms of gun control, what would you like to see happen? assault weapons ban, high-capacity ammunition clips? what are the prospects of that actually passing? >> you know, the political landscape on this issue really has changed, almost seismically as a result of this harrowing tragedy. i think a lot of my colleagues, and i talked to some of the republican colleagues who are rethinking or revisiting their position, have reacted with tremendous emotion to this tragedy, as all of us have. and all america. and there's been an outpouring of support to newtown, a quintessentially new england town that's rallied together, showing tremendous strength. but also resolve that there should be some action. and i hear again and again and again from people in newtown, people in connecticut and across the country, you must do something. and i think that reaction will
prompt action in congress on a ban on assault weapons, also on the high-capacity clips. both were involved in this tragedy. as well as the mental health efforts, stronger enforcement, and of course, a closing of the gun show loophole that means that 40% of all gun sales in this country involve no background checks whatsoever. >> senator, will you be a part of the conversations with vice president biden as he goes about trying to craft a potential bill at least, given what we heard earlier from the -- earlier this week from the president, and can it really pass? >> there should be a conversation involving all sides. and it should be bipartisan. because there's nothing partisan about public safety. nobody asks a policeman when he arrives at the door, are you a republican or a democrat, when he's trying to help somebody in need. i think there's a very good prospect for something happening, obviously next session. we'll be introducing some of these measures on the very first
day. and the change, or at least openness in position of senator manchin of west virginia, senator warner of virginia, the majority leader harry reid, very graciously said that he was open to a new discussion and debate. so i think there are indications of changes on this issue that will prompt a very strong likelihood of action. nobody can predict with certainty. >> senator, a past ban on assaults weapons yielded some tweaks in the way guns are manufactured, so that there would be loopholes, so those guns could still be sold. how tight do you think the new regulation will have to be, and what sort of lessons are you drawing from past bans, and the writers of those laws? >> excellent question. and i am somewhat knowledgeable about the weaknesses in both the federal law that expired in 2004
and the current connecticut law, because i helped to advocate for that law, and then defend it in court when it was challenged on constitutional grounds, while i served as attorney general. and the challenge is to write a law that does not have exceptions or exemptions that the gun manufacturers can use to continue to sell these military style weapons. remember, they were designed -- the m-16 and the m-4 -- for combat purposes. and then adapted to civilian use. but they have the same purpose, which is to kill and maim innocent human beings. they're really beings. they are really not used predominantly for hunting. the challenges, and i think it can be done to write a law without exemptions or exceptions that in effect swallow the rule. >> all right. senator, we'll leave it there. thanks so much for your time. >> thank you. >> senator richard blumenthal of connecticut. it is the last weekend for
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holiday shopping season and retailers have one last chance to capitalize on last-minute shoppers. courtney reagan is back at hq with more. >> david, retailers are hanging a lot of holiday hope on this weekend's shoppers. after a strong start on thanksgiving and black friday most analysts think it's been a less than impressive season since. while the lull isn't exactly a surprise it could be more hurtful this year as retailers started off the holiday season already limping from hurricane sandy. as the rhetoric in washington over the fiscal cliff escalates and that deadline looms ever closer, consumers are paying attention to negative book ends, to the most important retail season of the year. >> if you look at the confidence figures, the retail sales figures, the data is what it is. people are aware of it and it seems to be impacting their spending in a negative way. >> the last saturday before christmas is referred to as super saturday. this year the term could take on an enhanced meaning. super saturday has the chance of being the number one shopping day in 2012. consumers could spend $40 billion between today and
tomorrow, 10% more than black friday and saturday at least by mastercard spending pollster projections. retailers are pushing longer hours, bigger deals. toys r' us staying open for 88 straight hours until 10:00 p.m. christmas eve. macy's will stay open continuously from this morning at 7:00 a.m. until sunday morning at 7:00 a.m. stretching the one-day sale to 48 hours. target won't lock its doors until 9:00 p.m. on christmas eve and will give away gift cards with certain purchases this weekend. best buy will let you buy online up to 3:00 p.m. on monday and still pick up in stores by monday evening. some retailers could be asking santa for a christmas miracle. david? >> all right. thanks very much, courtney reagan back at hq. still to come, why quick could be the name of the game next year when it comes to media. and later, congressman tim huelskamp joins us to talk about the fiscal cliff and how he feels about speaker boehner stripping him of his spot on several committees. "squawk on the street" right back. [ male announcer ] it's simple physics...
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>> media giants newscorp buy cbs and internet companies are on the hunt for digital revenue in 2013. move over, sleeping cat videos. this will be the year of professional video. youtube will invest more in its digital studio partners helping them draw viewers and ad dollars. on the flip side broadcast net works will invest more in sports and live events. the only content not threatened by growing, online options. >> the landmark netflix disney deal lays the foundation for a high stakes distribution battle with digital companies like netflix competing on the same playing field as cable and satellite tv for the first time. they're not the only ones. amazon prime, google, microsoft's x box, apple's i-tunes, hulu, and new red box instant will all throw more money at content including original shows translating into more revenue for media companies. >> apple will launch a streaming
music service supported by ads. this as more top artists follow the likes of taylor swift, going rogue to control their own music distribution. that. >> was julia boorstin with her predictions for 2013. as for the markets here we're still off of session lows after speaker boehner gave some remarks, some market analysts said he didn't entirely slam the door and that is a good sign. we're down about 12% on the dow jones industrial average, s&p as well the nasdaq faring the worst of the major three, seeing some losses at apple and research in motion down 16%, david. that should be interesting to watch also in 2013. and maybe 2014 according to the ceo because it is going to take that long to gain some traction. >> the key of course is surface revenues and what is going to happen. >> here's what you might have missed if you're just tuning in. >> welcome to hour three of "squawk on the street." here is what's happening so far.
>> oh, my. the first zombie might be somewhere waking up right now and walking toward "squawk box." >> i think we have a certain period of time several quarters where we will transition from blackberry 7 over to blackberry 10. >> if there is going to be a rabbit pulled out of this hat how will it happen? >> maybe a dead rabbit pulled out of the hat. >> oh, no. "fatal attraction." >> there was no real plan b, no real possibility of this. the republicans, the vast majority signed a pledge they will not vote for a tax increase. who would vote they would suddenly turn around and vote for a tax increase? there are people who play for dinner in this country and their subsistence is on the line. and they are going to be furious but they can't get furious until they see the paycheck. >> because of the political divide in the country, because of the divide here in
washington, trying to bridge these differences has been difficult. if it were easy i'll guarantee you this would have been done decades before. >> the "squawk on the street" countdown to christmas is in its final week. are you ready? ho, ho, ho. >> all right. we want to go straight to the nra news conference which has just started. let's listen in. >> -- to avoid such events in the future. like most americans, we were shocked by what happened. like all americans, we've been discussing all of the various options that are available to protect our children and at this point we would like to share our thinking with you. for that purpose, i'd like to introduce wayne laperriere, our executive vice president. thank you again for being with us and at the end of this conference we will not be taking questions, but next week we will be available to any of you who
are interested in talking about these or other issues of interest to you, so contact us, please, at that point. thank you very much. wayne? >> good morning. the national rifle association, 4 million mothers, fathers, sons, and daughters joined the nation in horror, outrage, grief, and ernest prayer for the families of newtown, connecticut. who have suffered such an incomprehensible loss as a result of this unspeakable
crime. out of respect for the families and until the facts are known the nra has reframed from comment. while some have tried to exploit tragedy for political gain we have remained respectfully silent. now we must speak for the safety of our nation's children. because for all the noise and angerdirected at us over the past week nobody has addressed the most important pressing and immediate question we face. how do we protect our children right now? starting today? in a way that we know works?
the only way to answer that question is to face the truth. politicians pass laws for gun free school zones. they issue press releases bragging about them. they post signs advertising them. and in doing so, they tell every insane killer in america that schools are the safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with min risk. how have our nation's priorities gotten so far out of order? think about it. we care about our money so we protect our banks with armed guards.
american airports, office buildings, power plants, courthouses, even sports stadiums are all protected by armed security. we care about our president so we protect him with armed secret service agents. members of congress work in offices surrounded by capitol police officers. yet when it comes to our most beloved, innocent, and vulnerable members of the american family, our children, we as a society leave them every day utterly defenseless, and the monsters and the predators of the world know it and exploit
i it. that must change now. the truth is -- >> nra, stop killing our children. it's the nra and assault weapons that are killing our children. do not arm teachers. we've got to end violence. we've got to stop the killing. stop the killing in our schools. stop the killing in our malls. stop the killing in our streets. the nra is killing our children. we've got to stop the violence. violence begins with the nra. stating the true facts. they are the perpetrators of the crimes taking place in our schools and on our streets.
>> the truth is, that our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monste monsters -- people that are so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can ever possibly comprehend them. they walk among us every single day. and does anybody really believe that the next adam lanza isn't planning his attack on a school he's already identified at this very moment? how many more copy cats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame? from a national media machine that rewards them with wall-to-wall attention and a sense of identity that they crave.
while provoking others to try to make their mark. a dozen more killers, a hundred more? how can we possibly even guess how many given our nation's refusal to create an active national data base of the mentally ill? the fact is this. that wouldn't even begin to address the much larger, more lethal criminal class -- killers, robbers, rapists, gang members who have spread like cancer in every community across our nation. meanwhile, while that happens federal gun prosecutions have decreased by 40% to the lowest levels in a decade.
so now due to a declined willingness to prosecute dangerous criminals, violent crime is increasing again for the first time in 19 years. add another hurricane, terrorist attack, or some other natural or man made disaster and you've got a recipe for a national nightmare of violence and victimization. here is another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal. there exists in this country, sadly, a calloused, corrupt, and corrupting shadow industry that sells and stows violence against its own people. through vicious, violent video games with names like "bullet
storm," "grand theft auto," "mortal combat," and "splatter house" and here's one. it's called "kindergarten killers." it's been online for ten years. how come my research staff can find it and all of yours couldn't or didn't want anyone to know you had found it? add another hurricane. add another natural disaster. i mean, we have blood-soaked films out there like "american psycho," "natural born killers," that are aired like propaganda loops on splatter days and every single day. a thousand music videos, and you
all know this, portraying life as a joke, and they play murder, portray murder as a way of life. then they all have the nerve to call it entertainment. but is that what it really is? isn't fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography? in a race to the bottom, media conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate, and offend every standard of civilized society by bringing an even more toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty right into our homes every minute, every day, every hour of every single year. a child growing up in america
today witnesses 16,000 murders and 200,000 acts of violence by the time he or she reaches the ripe old age of 18. throughout it all, too many in the national media, their corporate owners, and their stockholders, act as silent enablers if not complicit coconspirators. rather than face their own moral failings, the media demonized gun owners. >> nra has blood on its hands! the nra has blood on its hands! shame on the nra! ban assault weapons now! ban assault weapons now!
n nra -- >> what is your reaction to these protests? >> rather than face -- rather than face their own moral failings the media demonized lawful gun owners, amplify their cries for more laws, and fill the national media with misinformation and dishonest thinking that only delay meaningful action and all but guarantee that the next atrocity is only a news cycle away. the media calls semiautomatic firearms machine guns. they claim these civilian semiautomatic firearms are used by the military. they tell us the 223 round is one of the most powerful rifle calibers, when all of these claims are factually untrue.
they don't know what they're talking about. worse, they perpetuate the dangerous notion that one more gun ban or one more law imposed on peaceable, lawful people will protect us where 20,000 other laws have failed. as brave and heroic and as self-sacrificing as those teachers were in those classrooms, and as prompt and professional and well trained as those police were when they responded, they were unable through no fault of their own unable to stop it. as parents, we do everything we can to keep our children safe. it's now time for us to assume responsibility for our schools. the only way -- the only way to stop a monster from killing our
kids is to be personally involved and invested in a plan of absolute protection. the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. would you rather have your 911 call bring a good guy with a gun from a mile away or from a minute away? now, i can imagine the headlines, the shocking headlines you'll print tomorrow. more guns, you'll claim, are the nra's answer to everything. your implication will be that guns are evil and have no place in society, much less in our schools. but since when did the gun
automatically become a bad word? a gun in the hands of a secret service agent protecting our president isn't a bad word. a gun in the hands of a soldier protecting the united states of america isn't a bad word. when you hear your glass breaking at 3:00 a.m. and call 911 you won't be able to pray hard enough for a gun in the hands of a good guy to get there fast enough to protect you. so why is the idea of a gun good when it's used to protect the president of our country or our police but bad when it's used to protect our children in our schools?
they're our kids. they're our responsibility. it is not just our duty to protect them. it's our right to protect them. five years ago after the virginia tech tragedy when i said we should put armed security in every school, the media called me crazy. but what if -- what if when adam lanza started shooting his way into sandy hook elementary school last friday he'd been confronted by qualified, armed security? will you at least admit it's possible that 26 little kids --
that 26 innocent lives might have been spared that day? is it so abhorrent to you that you'd rather continue to risk the alternative? the press and the political class here in washington, d.c. so consumed by fear and hatred of the nra and american gun owners that you're willing to accept a world where real resistance to evil monsters is alone, unarmed, school principal left to surrender her life, her life, to shield those children in her care? no one regardless of personal political prejudice has the right to impose that sacrifice.
ladies and gentlemen, there is no national one side fits all solution to protecting our children. but do know this president zeroed out school emergency planning grants in last year's budget and scrapped secure our schools policing grants in next year's budget. with all the foreign aid the united states does, with all the money in the federal budget, can't we afford to put a police officer in every single school? even if they did that, politicians have no business and no authority denying us the right, the ability, and the moral imperative to protect ourselves and our loved ones from harm. now, the national rifle association knows there are
millions of qualified, active, and retired police. active reserve and retired military. security professionals. certified firefighters. security professionals. rescue personnel. an extraordinary corps of patriotic, trained, qualified citizens to join with local school officials and police in devising a protection plan for every single school. we could deploy them to protect our kids now. we can immediately make america's schools safer, relying on the brave men and women in america's police forces. the budgets, and you all know this. everyone in the country knows this. of our local police departments are strained. and the resources are severely limited. but their dedication and courage is second to none, and they can
be deployed right now. i call on congress today to act immediately to propoappropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation and to do it now, to make sure that blanket safety is in place when our kids return to school in january. before congress reconvenes, before we engage in any lengthy debate over legislation, regulation, or anything else, as soon as our kids return to school, after the holiday break, we need to have every single school in america immediately deploy a protection program proven to work. and by that, i mean armed security. right now today every school in the united states should plan
meetings with parents, school administrators, teachers, local authorities. and draw upon every resource that's out there and available. to erect a cordon of protection around our kids right now. every school is going to have a different solution based on its own unique situation. every school in america needs to immediately identify, dedicate, and deploy the resources necessary to put these security forces in place, though, right now. and the national rifle association as america's preeminent trainer of law enforcement and security personnel for the past 50 years, we have 11,000 police training instructors in the nra, is ready, willing, and uniquely qualified to help. our training programs are the most advanced in the world. that expertise must be brought to bear to protect our schools
and our children now. we did it for our nation's defense industries and military installations during world war ii. we did it for very young kids with our eddie eagle child safety program that is throughout the country in schools right now. and we'll do it again today. the nra is going to bring all its knowledge, all its dedication, and all its resources to develop a model national school shield emergency response program for every single school in america that wants it. from armed security to building design and access control, to information technology, to student and teacher training this multifaceted program will be developed by the very best experts in the field.
former congressman asa hutchinson will lead the effort as national director of the national model school shield program. with a budget provided by the nra, of whatever scope the task requires. his experience as united states attorney, director of the drug enforcement agency, and under secretary of the department of homeland security, will give him the knowledge and expertise to hire most knowledgeable and credentialed experts that are available in the united states of america, to get this program up and running from the first day forward. if we truly cherish our kids, more than our money, more than our celebrities, more than our sports stadiums, we must give them the greatest level of
protection possible, and that security is only available with properly trained, armed, good guys. under asa's leadership, our team of security experts will make this program available for the world in protecting our children at school and will make that program available to every single school in america free of charge. that is a plan of action that can and will make a real, positive, indisputable difference in the safety of our children and it will start right now. there is going to be a lot of time for talk and debate later. this is a time, this is a day for decisive action. we can't wait for the next unspeakable crime to happen before we act. we can't lose precious time debating legislation that won't
work. we must not allow politics or personal prejudice to divide us. we must act now for the sake of every child in america. i call on every parent. i call on every teacher. i call on every school administrator, every law enforcement officer in this country to join with us and help create a national school shield safety program to protect our children with the only positive line of defense that's tested and proven to work. now to tell you more about the program i'd like to introduce the head of the effort, former u.s. congressman, former attorney for the western district of arkansas and former administrator of the u.s. drug enforcement agency, the honorable congressman asa
hutchinson. asa? >> thanks. >> we've been listening in to the national rifle association's first press conference since the tragic shootings in newtown, connecticut. that was wayne laperriere, the nra's executive vice president seeming to blame gun violence, violence overall, on many aspects of society including the entertainment industry, the video game industry, and the media industry and, finally, concluding with a call to action for a national school shield program which would entail armed guards at every school. let's take a check on how the gun industry is taking this news. smith and wesson and stern ruger the two publicly traded gun companies out there. not doing too much. though the past couple sessions have been a fairly rough one for these two stocks. let's bring in hampton pearson for more reaction on the news conference. >> well, a couple things struck me. number one, no mention from
wayne laperriere about if you will what's emerged as kind of a short list of policy options, gun control options in the aftermath of the newtown shootings. that is perhaps banning assault weapons, perhaps banning the high volume ammunition clips, or even putting efforts to shore up the background check system in this country. instead, really the nra if you will sort of doubling down on the notion that guns in his words, the only alternative to the gun in the hands of a bad person is a gun in the hands of a good guy. again, their solution going forward, and he minced no words on all of this, at least at a minimum, put an armed security person in every school in the country, even while it evolves to the national program that you mentioned of a so-called national shield as envisioned by the nra for our schools. so if anybody thought the nra was going to sort of back off or
this was a paradigm shift in its basic positions about the right to keep and bear arms and defender of the second amendment if you will, but again, it was stunning and sort of in your face if you will as far as their initial response. and in part of a pledge that was made to offer, quote, meaningful solutions so that nothing like this ever happens again. that was in the nra's statement released earlier this week. >> hampton, it wasn't press conference. it was a public statement. >> yes. >> there were no questions. there are going to be no questions, correct? i don't know if that was expected or that was the change that was made when it began. >> well, it certainly was the change that was made and all we got was the pledge, well if you want to come talk to our top officials next week, we'll be more than happy to sit down in depth and drill down further on what they put on the table today. >> what is the bottom line? does the nra reflect the gun
lobby? are we to believe this is the actual position of industry? >> i certainly think they reflect the position of the gun lobby. >> right. >> as far as the industry i would think, too, there is significant support there, too. we will see what happens in the days and weeks ahead. but they are more than joining the dialogue. they've laid down their own markers as to their view of possible solutions. >> all right. hampton, you know, hampton pearson reporting for us of course from washington. i would just point out as well the twitter sphere so to speak has just been nothing but this nra press conference. i'll share one from my friend mark cuban who tweeted quote i think the nra press conference is what the mayans had in mind when they said the world would come to an end today. still to come, rick tackles the fiscal cliff with senator bob corker. looking forward to that. we'll be right back.
but misrepresenting the outcome of the election, listen, the president, more on social issues, the people of this country are concerned about deficits too. there was no mistake the power still remains to the fiscal conservatives in the house. by dismissing the fact that when you spend $3.8 trillion and it results in going to be four years running of over $1 trillion deficits, to talk about $70 billion of savings or deficit reduction by taxing the upper 2%, the 7% nonsolution, well, they didn't take them serious. the media spins it and this is what happens. i'm not surprised by the vote, senator. are you? >> republicans are unified wanting to reduce spending and especially focus on entitlement reform. so it is amazing, rick, in a country as great as ours where every developed country in the world knows our greatest threat is solvency, fiscal solvency, that we have to be in this position of leveraging if you
will republicans, leveraging the white house, and vice versa. i will say that in spite of the fact there were differences over how to get there, i think that last night's vote did put leverage back at the white house and, again, i hate to even talk that way. >> let me interrupt you. >> okay. >> you know, when you look toward europe's political system, there are coalitions. >> right. >> i would now say they need to know that these players certainly have a coalition. >> right. >> can anything get through the house no matter what you just said about leverage if that coalition doesn't go along with a program that actually has some meat on the spending cut side? can it? >> well, here's the thing, rick. you know, the $1.2 trillion in sequestration that begins in january is being retraded in all of these negotiations. and that's one thing you and i have talked about that, i know, but that is one thing that is being missed in these negotiations. the $1.2 trillion in sequestrations is already in the bank.
that is part of the $2.1 trillion that happened last august. and what's -- all that's been happening recently is just retrading. what we want to do is build on that. we don't want to retrade what's already in the bank as it relates to savings. >> fiscal conservatives aren't buying into the retrade. the media buys into it. but they're not. let's take another issue. >> okay. >> i was watching c-span after the vote and i saw senator van holland talking about how the tax increase is on the middle class. why do they continue to mix these metaphors? payroll taxes it was supposed to be temporary. employment benefits. these are all issues outside the real argument. we continue to be disingenuous and the fiscal conservatives don't care if they get elected. they are there with a purpose. do you agree this tax game is silly? >> well yeah. i mean the payroll tax as you know is to pay for benefits that people are going to receive down the road and it's really fascinating that people on the left that really want to see these, all of us want to see these programs obviously be solvent but now they've bought
into this notion of lowering payroll taxes. we know what that does. it makes these programs even more insolvent than they already are. >> we're going to have to go, senator. last question. real quick answer. now the ball is in the senate and the president's hands. will they look at what happened? will they finally understand who they're dealing with and put something forth that everybody can vote for that is balanced? and you say balanced a lot, media, but none of this has been balanced. your answer, sir? >> rick, i hope so. i'm fearful. >> so die. >> the worst possible case is we end up doing something that is very minor and we continue to have this pale over our country where we're not dealing with solvency in the way we should. we both know we have to deal with entitlements. >> we have to. >> that's been the problem. those have not been on the table. they have to be on the table for us to solve our nation's problems. i've been trying every day to push that forward, rick, and it's still not front and center. >> i hope that the white house and every strategist in the
white house will finally be honest about the true complexion of this country. they like social issues but they also like smaller deficits. senator, thank you. >> thank you. >> have a merry christmas, happy hannukah and happy festivities for the rest of us. >> merry christmas. >> thank you, rick santelli. we should point out right now the s&p 500 hitting fresh session lows. 1423 down 1.4% as the fiscal cliff deal continues to solve. is there room for compromise before that deadline? let's bring in dan clifton head of policy research joining us from washington. dan, what are the odds of any sort of deal? >> well, i still think we'll get a deal before the end of the year. you got to remember that there's a lot of cata lists in place. that means we have to get something done. for example, the alternative minimum tax patch expired last year. if that is not fixed before the end of the year you'll have 30 million americans get hit with
the alternative minimum tax when they file their taxes with an average tax bill of $3700. at the very least we may see a very small bill that takes the can down the road but we should be able to get something that minimizes the amount of tax increases that come into effect on january first. i know that there are a lot of people out there who looked at last night and said, oh, we're going off the cliff now. i think the probability went higher. it may make it a little more difficult to get a comprehensive deal. i still think the fundamentals are in place to try and get something done before january first. >> i mean, you know, just looking at the calendar would indicate there is a level of difficulty here. >> sure. >> what gives you the confidence that anything is really going to be able to get done as we move into the holidays right now? i can understand how early next year certainly possible but why do you still think there is going to be able to get something done before the new year? >> that's great. a great question, david. what i would say is that if we wanted to do a comprehensive deal, we saw the speaker come out today and said we need to do entitlements, tax reform. that is all well and true. we're not going to get that done
by january first. but if we're going to take something like the senate bill that extends the middle class tax cuts, keeps that a plchlt t patch from going into effect, then that could be done pretty quickly. it could be done basically in two days. they have plenty of time to come back and do that next week. that will minimize those tax increases from coming into effect. david, back to this point, if they don't patch the alternative minimum tax by december 31st those taxes are going to go up on 30 million americans and if not, and they want to delay it, it would have to force a delay in the entire tax refund season and push that out to may and june, something the irs has been warning these members that they can't happen. so at the very least you will see some small bill likely before january first. >> the amt. i'm just curious about that. that would be for the 2013 income year though wouldn't it? so you're saying, for 2014 you'd have to push out the deadline? >> i'm saying the complete opposite. >> okay. >> that patch expired at the end of 2011.
>> okay. >> which means we're going to get hit with it now. >> got it. >> what we're trying to do in the next week is retroactively fix it. this is how backwards tax policy is. it is also a catalyst to get that. >> a lot of battles to keep in mind here. >> let's hope washington will act based on reason as you put forth. dan clifton, good to see you. >> great. thank you, melissa. well, markets are sitting near session lows thanks to of course uncertainty about the topic we were just discussing. will we go over the so-called fiscal cliff? we'll look into what is behind the sell off and take a look at some individual names as well. right after this. # me, sir i'm gonna have to ask you to power down your little word game. i think your friends will understand. oh no, it's actually my geico app...see? ...i just uh paid my bill. did you really? from the plane? yeah, i can manage my policy, get roadside assistance, pretty much access geico 24/7. sounds a little too good to be true sir. i'll believe that when pigs fly.
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we're hitting lows for the day. let's take a look. remember what's happened. a lot of people are trying to game the system a little bit, buying right after the open, and the hope here is you do this slowly throughout the day and sell as you go into the close. that is not happening. when you go in this direction you break the lows there, that creates a little panic amongst these people because they panic very easily. the inclination is to sit, cover your position fairly quickly as you drop below the earlier lows of the day. that is the safe thing to do. now you get a little brave and you start dropping much further than that and risk much bigger losses. so that is why it is a little disturbing to see it break below the earlier lows of the day. let's move on and i'll show you some of the big sectors today. remember the big gainers? builders, home builders, financials have been the big gainers. they are the weakest part of the market right now. materials and industrials sort of the risk part of the business also to the down side. of course your safe havens, your gold and of course the dollar
all to the upside right now. the vix, highest level since going back into july. we almost hit 20 right there. just a little shy at the open. you can see we dropped down, now moving back up here. i wouldn't call this a titanic move but a strong move given how low we've been in the last several months. so is the risk to the upside or to the down side for the rest of the year? a huge debate is going on. i wish i could be less wishy washy. frankly there is a lot of disagreement, vehement bears and bulls out there. so the upside crowd have been arguing that a deal will likely be announced. they still believe it is going to happen maybe over the weekend or the next few days. the economic data slowly improving. we did see that of course with the durable goods numbers. only six days left. portfolio managers are unlikely to throw out the baby with the bath water with such good gains overall for the year. there is a very strong crowd arguing that actually the risks are to the down side and the reason here is, and i do think there is a very strong point. there has been very high levels
of bullishness and complacency. hedge funds are net long, longer than they've been in a long time. we've been showing you the investor index is showing very bullish sentiment overall. very low, short positions on the street. the s&p 500 has rallied 5% in the past month on hopes of a fiscal cliff deal as well as of course the seasonal play that's going on here. so a lot of debate on both sides. in 2013 our dear friend art cashin, i sat down with him across the street for 15 minutes. we talked all about china, japan, europe, and the united states where the stock market is going to be in 2013. go to cnbc.com and you can see on the right side the video screen there, nice talks where things are going. art has a huge following here at cnbc. a long-time friend of ours. >> well deserved. >> coming up next vail resorts
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winter storm draco moving across. rob, it is prime season. what are your expectations as it gets started? >> well, really terrific. we've gotten over two feet of snow at all of our colorado resorts dumping snow in tahoe for the last couple weeks so the climate really here has changed. we've seen a big shift from a tougher early season and a really strong experience, incredible conditions right now for christmas. >> and i understand you're also going to be opening a new gondola. has that begun and did you have to tear the old one down? where does that stand? >> yeah. we actually had a four person chair lift right behind me and we just installed what we're calling gondola one. it is a ten-person state-of-the-art gondola. reduces lines by about 40%. really moves people up the hill quickly. has heated seats, leather seats, wi-fi. it's really state-of-the-art for the kind of clientele that comes to vail every year. >> your clientele could see their taxes go up a lot starting january first. you know, we ask this of so many ceos.
are you concerned about an impact to your business as a result of taxes going up on everybody beginning next year conceivably? >> you know, i think what i'm worried about like many ceos is just getting a deal done. i think american people and our consumers understand there may be some tax increases but i think they want certainty and i think they want to see the two sides come together and do a deal so that people can start planning. it's the same thing we have for our company. >> have you seen a lot of season pass purchases so far? are people going day pass route? just trying to understand whether consumers are feeling confident enough to actually plan on returning. >> yeah. the good news for us is we did see some real growth in our season pass program. it is pretty unique for our company. we do over 40% of our lift ticket sales through season passes and they were actually up 5% to 7% depending on where you looked for the season. so actually, you know, we saw some real strength. no question the early weather here in colorado was a little tough. but now we're seeing it pick up as we head into christmas and, you know, more storms on the way.
so really shaping up to be a pretty normal, really terrific condition holidays for us. >> and long term, by this i mean quite long term, are you concerned at all about climate change, potentially global warming? >> you know, i think for me climate change is more about the planet and i worry about it as a parent and certainly hope that we do the right things to keep our planet healthy and safe for everybody, you know, for skiing i think right now we saw just two years ago one of the most epic snow seasons we've ever had. it is obviously about 10 degrees right here in vail right now so it's not something we focus on day in and day out. we think we should be doing the right thing for climate change for all of us here, you know, on our great world of ours. >> all right. well, rob, good luck in the season ahead. rob katz vail resorts ceo. >> markets are down sharply. >> thank you. >> but off the lows after the break we'll find out what is ahead for the market next week and how you should be setting up. [ male announcer ] when it comes to the financial obstacles
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today? >> we're taking our lead from d.c. if you really go back to the charts, since 2007 we've been taking our lead from d.c. so nothing really surprises me. markets seem to be making the retail investor and the institutional guy flow back into equities, definitely holding on to your seat though for the next couple weeks. i think we'll have a little bit of a rough ride. people continue to buy the market. >> yeah. well, it's a hard case to make that people are continuing to buy the market largely over the last month that is true but in today's session it seems people are throwing in the towel and saying maybe we're not going to get that deal. >> if they were throwing in the towel you would see this market below 1400 in the s&p, 1395 the big retracement point. i expect to revisit that sooner rather than later. but it just really shocks me that people step up and still buy even on the declining basis, we have had an incredible run. i can't believe we're still holding on to 1400. >> what are you doing? you get more short? >> no. for me what i do is i sell my
winners and i continue to but i hold a core group of stocks i really like holding. i bought google, lucky enough to buy it on the huge dip below 700. still low google. in and out of yahoo, hewlett-packard. you buy them opportunistically trim them when they're a little over priced and ahead of d.c. and i think that is what the average investor should do. >> the other thing going on potentially and we talked about this last night is people are walking gains from winners and reestablishing the position or establishing a new cost basis. there is a little bit of that going on into the end of the year. >> all jockeying around and counting at this point because no one understands what it is going to be like going into 2013. but i think you should really start to think about do i really want to own this company for the longer term? if you're thinking about recession what does well in recession? utilities. so people even though it is a little counterintuitive when worried about dividends, i think utilities, probably a place to be looking. >> if you're really going down that road what does well in a recession? >> i